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Let's not be blinded by dislike of BK

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For Evertonians, this really has been a winter of discontent made worse by bankruptcy rumours and trailing once again in the wake of a resurgent Liverpool FC that not long ago was a financial basket case supposedly on the brink of administration.

Our tribulations began with another horrible start to the season and once again there was a huge question mark hanging over Moyes's preseason arrangements. So far, I have not seen any kind of official explanation about why we are always so late out of the gate. C?mon Davy boy, we can handle the truth. The question is, can you?

In those opening games, it was patently obvious that we lacked cohesion and basic fitness. It was clear that Moyes was aiming for a repeat of the low-scoring games that earned us a 4th place. Quickly it became obvious that, while Moyes was stuck in that retro style, the rest of football had moved on.

Other managers, even those of so-called ?lesser? clubs, used innovative crowd-pleasing and, as it turned out, more rewarding kinds of football. Our David seemed determined to prove his method was superior and for far too long he persisted with it. He seemed oblivious to the fact that our own fans were sickened to see it used in home games against those ?lesser? clubs.

With matters becoming desperate, yet still determined to prove the superiority of his system, he started forcing square pegs into round holes. After nine years in charge he is as clueless as he ever was.

From one week to the next Osman would not know whether he playing right left or centre. Personally I wouldn?t play him at all but Moyes has some kind of obsession where Leon is concerned. Jags could be centre-back, full-back or midfield; Victor could be right, left or centre; Saha could be a lone striker or in combo with Beckford. Cahill could be lead striker or support striker, defender, or anywhere in between. The same could apply to Fellani. Arteta could be defensive or attacking mid... lord only knows what position Heitinga he plays, if he plays at all. Poor old Bily wouldn?t know whether or not he gets to play Jack the lad is in the same boat as Bily....

The only givens are that:

1. Howard will play in goal and never come off his line for crosses, which is probably just as well.

2. Left and right backs will be Baines and Neville and only those two will take throw-ins regardless that a quick throw in by our nearest player could be an advantage...

3. Arteta will take free kicks and put them straight at the first defender.

4. Moyes will make ridiculous substitutions far too late.

5. Round will sit impassively listening to his head set and contributing absolutely nothing in his facial expression, let alone passion.

All in all a lot of things have gone wrong... yet none of the above can be laid at Kenwright's door door.
Dick Fearon, West Australia     Posted 04/02/2011 at 14:02:39

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Andy Crooks
1   Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:15:00

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I agree, Dick. Things are grim both on and off the pitch. What is wrong at Everton is the responibility of both Moyes and Kenwright.
Simon Jenkins
2   Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:23:13

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The players at Moyes disposal are there because he has not had any money to spend on better ones for over 2-3 years now, without selling others first.

The lack of money ? responsibility solely of Kenwright and the board ? supercedes any mistakes Moyes makes, and in many cases, exacerbates them, and occasionally, directly causes them.

Please never lose sight of this.
Dave Wilson
3   Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:15:25

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"None of the above could be laid at Kenwright door"??? Not even the fact that he can't give his manager enough money for alternatives? And if Moyes is as bad as you say, ask yourself who not only employed him but pays him a fortune.

Your defence of Kenwright is incredible.

Your statement earlier this week that you think Moyes is deliberately losing games was the daftest I`ve heard on here... but you`ve just topped it!
Anthony Hughes
4   Posted 04/02/2011 at 15:54:59

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I'm not a fan of Moyes but Kenwright is a complete and utter waste of space as a chairman. Whoever we have in charge will be held back by this prick.
Dennis Stevens
5   Posted 04/02/2011 at 16:18:38

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I hold Moyes responsible for how his players perform. I hold the Board responsble for how the club performs.

Whilst I don't think Moyes is the manager we need, replacing him is less critical to the club in the long-term than replacing the Board.

Tony J Williams
6   Posted 04/02/2011 at 17:24:49

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Is this question 39?
Nick Entwistle
7   Posted 04/02/2011 at 17:26:20

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Don't get the square pegs round holes argument. Ok, Heitinga played in midfield, which he is able, and Coleman did a Bale and moved up to the benefit of all the team to the wing but, other than that, if players have played where you've said then it wasn't starting positions and came about during the match which is normal. Though, I do remember Big Vic on the right, but then you could argue being on the pitch is his wrong position.... fnar fnar....
Leon Perrin
8   Posted 04/02/2011 at 17:56:11

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Would'nt trust Moyes with big money if we had it, there's only so many centre halves you can buy.
Ste Traverse
9   Posted 04/02/2011 at 18:01:56

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Dick. Many of us see Kenwright as the root cause of most of our problems so we are intitled to dislike the man.

I can't wait to see the bungling gobshite removed from his chairmans seat but suspect it won't be for a long while yet.
Ian Smitham
10   Posted 04/02/2011 at 19:25:05

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Been away for a few days so have had an enjoyable read of the contributions on the site. Mike #10 you mention "something original"

I note Dicks use of the word "obsession" regarding Moyes and Osman above. He also used the same description in another thread-obsssion.

That got me thinking as to the last time Dick wrote on here without a pop at Osman. Where is the "obsession" and where is the "original"?
Richard O'Shea
11   Posted 04/02/2011 at 20:18:02

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The thing is a club that has not spent 1 pound gross in the last few transfer windows without selling players first is going nowhere except the Championship. This lack of spending has to be the blame of the board which includes BK.

Who do you think will progress the club without spending money in the transfer window? Not even Ferguson or Mourinho could do much with this lack of finance.

Brian Waring
12   Posted 04/02/2011 at 20:31:43

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Dennis (#5) has it in a nutshell.
Dick Fearon
13   Posted 04/02/2011 at 21:09:37

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I merely wanted a bit of balance in the debate about things that have gone wrong. Not everything is Kenwright's fault and all I did was mention some of those things that come directly within Moyes area of responsibility.

I agree with those that argue that Kenwright and Co have not provided much needed funds with which Moyes could have bought players. Yet to pick up on Leon's words (#8), where he says, "How many centre-halves does he need?", I would add, how many centre-forwards does he need? We have seen him turn a succession of highly priced prolific goalscorers into pathetic shadows of their former selves.

All the bile in the world aimed at BK does not for example excuse Moyes for his idiotic choice and placement of subs at the Emirates. I believe Bill was not even in the country when that happened.

In response to Ian (#10), I own up to having an obsession about Osman. This obsession did not happen overnight but over a number of years of watching him plod along in a competition that is way too fast and physical for him. Moyes obsession sees in him attributes that are totally invisible to me. Perhaps Ian could enlighten us all on just what those attributes might be.

Matt Traynor
14   Posted 05/02/2011 at 04:06:07

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Dick, whilst your quest for balance is commendable, I think we need to separate the two issues. Moyes's performance should be judged within the constraints he has to operate under. He may have been lied to, many suspect promises were made that were not kept, but that is mere conjecture.

Kenwright's time as the custodian of the club is one long litany of errors in many people's opinion. It can be argued that he has blatantly lied ? the FSF was his claim, and he then laughed at the whole shenanigans at a subsequent AGM. The indisputable fact is that Everton's financial performance appears to have been in marked decline for a number of years now.

What is debatable is how serious BK has been in trying to sell the club. Investment is the wrong term as there was never going to be a new issue of shares made available. It's all been loans which must've been guaranteed against something...

Like many, I don't fault BK for not being personally wealthy enough to bankroll the club ? the wealth required now is a lot more than it was 5-10 years ago.

I would suggest that he has held onto the reigns of the club for far too long, and it is my opinion that he did so to make a financial return for all of those involved in the financial operation of the club these past few years ? that is his prerogative, but it appears the gamble has backfired, and if his hand is forced, it's possible he will lose out personally more than most.
Richard O'Shea
15   Posted 05/02/2011 at 10:52:06

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If Moyes was to resign, who would BK be able to replace him with? O'Neill... no chance. I say it would left to people who have Everton in their heart e.g Sharpe, Stubbs, etc as no rational manager would touch us with no finance available.
Ian McDowell
16   Posted 05/02/2011 at 11:16:12

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Just heard Big Nev on TalkSport. Quite interesting... he seems to think that there is somebody within the club preventing the sale of the club.
Craig Bellew
17   Posted 05/02/2011 at 11:24:48

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Ian at 16 ? Bill Kenwright! ... or is that just the obvious choice.
Gavin Ramejkis
18   Posted 05/02/2011 at 12:03:02

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Craig as the majority shareholder its got to be down to BK he also killed AGMs and EGMs so shareholders couldn't even ask the questions they should be able to such as is the club for sale and for how much, unfortunately Billy Bullshitter was bored of the question and wasn't ever going to answer it.
Anthony Hawkins
19   Posted 05/02/2011 at 13:00:19

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#16 Ian McDowell. Even with an external perspective from someone who is not very close to the names and numbers, I can tell you that someone is blocking the sale. Who ever it might be, it's for one of two reasons.

1. Not matching their ideal sale price which is either lower than they bought the shares for or insufficient to make a reasonable profit.

2. They just don't want to sell as they see the club as their "right" to own, regardless of the club's performance.

If any changes are to be made it should be a two step process, with the first step a guaranteed move.

Step 1. Kenwright and the board OUT.
Step 2. Review what Moyes can do with a bit of money, even if it is one season's worth of time (ie, at least one big transfer window and the winter window).

It is impossible to substantiate how well or poorly Moyes is performing given he has no cash to inject into the team.

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