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A few years ago, Wenger publicly said that AJ was a diver. Resulting from that our little striker was fair game for dozens of ugly tackles with no chance of earning a deserved free kick or penalty.

The publicity Moyes stirred up could be of benefit by raising the awareness of referees toward Fabregas's mouthing off and card waving antics. Wenger is no fool and he can see problems ahead for his captain.

This incident stirred memories of the time Chelsea's great ball playing forward Peter Osgood nutmegged our fullback Sandy Brown early on in a match at Goodison. From that point, he avoided all possible contact with Sandy and faded completely out of the game.

Questioned later, Osgood complained that Sandy had said he "would break his legs" if he tried that again.

Those kind of words could be heard on parks all over the country. They were used by no-nonsense defenders to put the shits up Fancy Dan opponents. Here I have to admit that I myself said such things on more than one occasion.

The upshot of it all was Osgood became a laughing stock for raising the issue. Then again, that was in a time when men were men.

Dick Fearon, West Australia     Posted 04/02/2011 at 21:51:24

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Derek Thomas
1   Posted 05/02/2011 at 05:45:45

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Wenger likes to give it out but, like some, can't take it.

Typical Pot /Kettle syndrome.
Brian Waring
2   Posted 05/02/2011 at 09:00:10

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I actually thought Moyes was quite clever the way he handled it, especially where he says people would make up their own minds, because he knows Wenger has form on only seeing incidents when it is against his team.

But it is the same against Brentford, Moyes complaining about the bottle incident. I live in the south east now, and the chairman of my lads club is a Brentford fan who was at the game, speaking to him, he said Moyes had conveniently forgot to mention that the bottle was actually thrown from the Everton section first, before being lashed back.
Nick Entwistle
3   Posted 05/02/2011 at 09:30:48

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Arteta lowered himself to Arsenal standards by feigning injury. Good on Van Persie for yanking him back on to his feet.

Now if he only did that with his team mates...
Brian Waring
4   Posted 05/02/2011 at 09:42:18

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Hang on Nick! Did you forget Arteta plays for us? Our players don't do things like going down at the slightest touch, or as you say 'feigning injury'...
Michael Coffey
5   Posted 05/02/2011 at 10:30:26

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When faced with an accusation of wrongoing, Wenger's approach is:

Step 1. Say you know nothing about it, and have heard or seen nothing.

Step 2. Admit you have heard something about the incident, but deny it happened.

If steps 1 & 2 fail...

Step 3. Change the subject by furiously claiming your accusers have something to gain by attacking you, and that it is all part of a conspiracy against your organisation.

It is pure Putin or Berlusconi. And, just as in those countries, the cynicism, contempt for honesty and justice, and determination to fill your boots at all costs percolates right down through the club.

I live in Islington, and have seen how Arsenal FC ? which is basically a property company with a football team on the side ? have bullied the Council time and time again into getting their way. Fabregas is just the on-pitch expresssion of the same ethos.
Kunal Desai
6   Posted 05/02/2011 at 10:36:20

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Moyes has clearly lost the plot! He is clearly deflecting his own problems away and is making a mountain out of mole hill out of this small episode. He is making himself look stupid and ridiculous.

Why not talk about how and why we played so rubbish in the 2nd half? Had we taken the 3 points I doubt this would have been brought up. Just another excuse I'm afraid.

Nick Entwistle
7   Posted 05/02/2011 at 11:05:31

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I don't care if he plays for us Brian, it was totally embarrassing. Fortunately we tend not to have that kind of behaviour and at the games I've attended I've shouted at our player to 'get back on their fucking feet!'.
Michael Kidd
8   Posted 05/02/2011 at 11:02:03

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I'm with Kunai on this (#6). The underlying theme in Moyes's complaint was that we would have had a better chance against ten men (remember we were one up at the time). Talking about Fabregas deflects attention from the schoolboy defending that allowed Arsenal the three points; the ridiculous substitutions etc etc. He used a similar tactic during the transfer window when he moaned about Spurs bidding for Neville. Deflects attention away from why the hell Everton aren't making any bids!
John Brennan
9   Posted 05/02/2011 at 11:44:09

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I admire Wenger's teams, and have got nothing against Arsenal winning the Premier League. Nevertheless, over the years, I just don't like the way he frequently insists he didn't see an incident in which one of his team was deemed to have committed a foul, or should never have been sent off. He is an intelligent man, and a good manipulator of the English media. (Does he get off so lightly if interviewed in France if his team lose a Champions League game in France???)

One of the things that I have to say I was impressed with, was when we played Liverpool last season when the Greek thug attacked Fellaini and got sent off. Fellaini also could have been dismissed, and Pienaar was lucky not to go, but, to their credit, many Evertonians came on here, and said that we could also have suffered at least one dismissal, and when you read balanced, and fair reports, it restores your faith in the fair mindedness of ALL football fans, not just our own, when we are prepared to admit that the likes Arteta and Anichebe are not angels either.
COYB ? let's have a win this afternoon!!

Tony Cheek
10   Posted 05/02/2011 at 12:29:55

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Things were a bit nastier in the old days. I remember well Jack Charlton saying he would put an opponent over the side line if he got a chance, and the uproar that followed.

I myself had a similar episode to Sandy Brown's. Playing in a pre-season friendly against Norwich City as a 17-year-old for Lowestoft Town. After nut-megging City's centre-half, a toothless giant called Duncan Forbes, he looked down at me and said "do that again son, and I´ll break both of your legs".

Needless to say, I was shitting bricks rest of the game. Aaah! the good old days!

Peter Dry
11   Posted 05/02/2011 at 12:49:42

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Kunal (#6) and Michael Kidd (#8) well said.

Fabregas is a rat but there's no way he meant what he said, it was just hyperbole to express his disgust at the decision.

Anyway, we would never bribe someone to throw a game, just ask Hans Segars!
Daniel Johnson
12   Posted 05/02/2011 at 13:28:31

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Wenger is your typical bully; behind his cool, calm, professor-like educated style, he's just a big-nosed fucking bully. He can give it but can't take it.

Good on Moyes for showing up that foul-mouthed Barcelona-loving twat Fabregas.

More of this please, Moyes, I wish Moyes would open his mouth more ? especially about our chairman.
Mike Williams
13   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:13:21

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What a ridiculous statement by Fabregas. Thought you needed cash in order to bribe someone and everybody knows we aint got any. Unless Bill has promised him free tickets for his next production.
Moyes was quick to come out and tell everybody what goes on behind the scenes at Arsenal only wish he could give us some clue whats going on behind the scenes at Everton.
Micheal Lynch
14   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:51:08

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where is the live forum for todays game
David Duignan
15   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:54:07

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I can't find any links???
Jon Cox
16   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:55:43

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Forum Please !!
Jamie Barlow
17   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:55:39

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Forum???? Anyone???? Links????
Ged Simpson
18   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:56:28

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The Forum has gone awol
Russell Buckley
19   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:58:29

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Can't find anything either
Jamie Barlow
20   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:58:38

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Colin Ryan
21   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:58:42

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"Watch this space" lads!! Cahill only on the bench and I'm enjoying seeing Pienaar on the bench too.
Roberto Birquet
22   Posted 05/02/2011 at 14:57:51

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The forum went awol a couple of weeks ago. Is it hidden and for viewing of select view, or been pulled??
Jamie Tulacz
23   Posted 05/02/2011 at 15:01:04

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Hi guys, live forum is at the following link:
Jon Cox
24   Posted 05/02/2011 at 15:00:12

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Thanks Jamie, your'e a star.
Rob Murphy
25   Posted 05/02/2011 at 15:08:30

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Christopher Brierley
26   Posted 05/02/2011 at 15:15:28

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Lovely goal by Saha! Bily is playing well
Will Leaf
27   Posted 05/02/2011 at 15:35:14

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Tom Bowers
28   Posted 05/02/2011 at 17:14:15

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What a great afternoon. Everton doing it the hard way but at least finally doing it.

Newcastle morally stuffing it to Fabregas and Wenger coming back from 4-0 down. Great stuff!p>Forget all that jabber in the tunnel and elsewhere. It's going on all the time. Moyes should have just forgotten about it as now it just appears as sour grapes because the official didn't have the guts to report it. The bickering between managers especially when they lose is not what we want to hear. Just give us the footie.

Ian Smitham
29   Posted 05/02/2011 at 19:57:28

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Dick, Peter Osgoods' famed nickname was?

You could have sneaked it in

Joke fella, and obviously a lifelong blue and long may it continue.

Garry Martin
30   Posted 06/02/2011 at 09:27:15

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Nick Entwistle (#3)... Watch the playback, Nick, his boot goes right down the back of the leg behind the ankle. This is a temperamental part of the leg, tendons & muscles etc, therefore, I don't think he was using your term "feigning injury". He may have over exagerated the pain period though.

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