I was absolutely made up with the win yesterday.
One concern I'd like to raise: I noticed early on, especially, that certain sections of the crowd seemed as though they couldn't wait to have a go at Mikel Arteta for the slightest thing and this was disgraceful, when even the smallest contribution by Marouane Fellaini was applauded.
While I have nothing against Fellaini being given maximum encouragement, the same luxury should be given to Arteta who I actually thought had a very good game, including his set pieces. He put in plenty of effort and I saw only one poor pass.
And I would like to thank Arteta for staying at Everton in the summer, even though he knew he could get a better contract elsewhere.
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1 Posted 06/02/2011 at 15:46:35
2 Posted 06/02/2011 at 15:54:22
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3 Posted 06/02/2011 at 15:54:19
"It wasn't finance. If it had been I wouldn't be here"
4 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:00:18
can you post the link please?
5 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:01:40
6 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:11:35
I've no doubt he'll hit his high standards again.
7 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:13:16
8 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:35:57
I'll not thank any player for staying at Everton when they are on so much money; if they don't want to stay here, then they can fuck off.
9 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:40:59
10 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:53:10
The day Mikel renewed his contract was the highlight of the summer Everton-wise for me and many other Blues I know. He could most certainly have got more elsewhere but showed a degree of loyalty by staying.
Yes, he is well paid... and yes, he has not played well this season... but to criticise him for the contract he was offered is both ridiculous and hypocritical.
11 Posted 06/02/2011 at 16:53:01
Not this same folk!!
My opinion of Arteta has never changed and, unless he starts banging in at least 15 odd goals a season, he simply is not worth the money he is paid. I also said many times if we were getting good money for him and, let's not forget, he apparently was looking for a move, he should have been sold. By giving him the contract he is on, and given the state of the club's finances, it was complete madness.
What do you think the Big Fella will be looking for now if we can even tempt him to sign an improved contract? My opinion is Arteta is way overrated, and is extremley fortunate to be earning the money he does. If the guy starts to bang in the goals, I might change my mind... but somehow I don't think that's going to happen.
12 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:03:44
That's the kind of over reaction this emotional season has unfortunately produced in us as Evertonians. Arteta was truly inspirational for a period at the end of last season and quite rightly deserved a bigger contract. Evertonians forget what a player he has been in his time here; yes, he has had a terrible season, however, his form will pick up. He showed at times yesterday that he is getting back to somewhere near his better form.
Let's give the whole team encouragement, and try to stay off the players' backs. We maybe haven't as much to play for this season, but it's by no means over and the team needs all the support we can give.
13 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:15:29
14 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:16:16
Since he signed his contract he has been shite, that's been there for all to see, so why are we not allowed to have a pop at one of our STAR PLAYERS when he does'nt fit that billing. It's not as if it has been only a few weeks that we have been carrying him, it's been pretty much all season, with only yesterday showing brief glimpses of what he can do, but still way off what he should be producing for £75k a week.
If fans turn up at GP and pay their hard earned cash to watch our players perform and on a fortnightly basis they don't, we have the right to have a pop, especially when it takes me over 3 years to earn what he does in a week.
15 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:24:55
16 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:37:15
17 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:44:10
18 Posted 06/02/2011 at 17:58:56
Arteta at £75k is a bargain by comparison and yesterday he looked like he's coming back to his old self, which is something all Evertonians should be happy about.
19 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:07:00
Answer this question then, since you bring up other teams: Is he better than Fabregas or Nasri? ? because they don't earn the wage he does at present!
20 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:04:03
What do we do with Fellaini? Do we give him what he wants to stay? What if he gets injured and doesn't come back the player he is now? Do we start slagging him and Moyes off for the taking and offering of said contract? It's alright saying Arteta isn't worth what we're paying him but he was before his injury ? and will be again.
21 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:08:00
Obviously, when compared to people who do real work rather than kicking a ball about, all of these players are grossly overpaid. However, in the surreal world of top flight professional football, some clubs would comfortably pay Arteta the contract he has ? just to warm the bench.... but, for Everton, he's our top earner at a price we can ill-afford as he currently isn't, and may never again be, our top performer.
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24 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:20:13
25 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:25:40
26 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:27:21
It seems that as Evertonians we always need a player to have a moan at: Hibbert, Osman, Distin, Arteta, Heitinga, Bily, Pip have all endured planty of stick, some warrented, the majortity not.
27 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:28:00
28 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:19:29
29 Posted 06/02/2011 at 18:39:30
30 Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:01:15
The simple fact is.... We should do everything we can to keep the big man because he is growing into the toughest league in the world and, barring serious injury, he will be the best. We already know he is a top performer and is still learning. So, we give him WHAT WE CAN AFFORD to pay him.
Fellaini will want at least parity with Arteta at the very least, and this is the hole the club now finds itself in. But I believe unless the club is sold, and as Moyes has already said, that we can show a player like Fellaini that there is money to buy, it will be a hard task to hold on to him. These guys want to win trophies and play against the best.... Even if we do find a buyer it will be tough because of wages. Fellaini signed for us because he knew it was a very good career move for him and of course the simple matter of trebling his wage packet he was on at SL... He is the closest thing I have seen to Patrick Vierra when he was in his prime and is only 22.
All the top clubs like Fellaini; if the worst happens, I'd bet there will be quite a bit of interest for his services. I just hope we are not in the position that we have to sell him!
31 Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:05:43
I have said for ages that he should be playing in the role that he played earlier in his career at Everton ? on the wings. It was there where people noticed his talents not his performances in central midfield. Ged, if everybody has your belligerent view, going to the match would be boring. We pay our hard-earned cash and are enititled to our opinion at least. Arteta is on huge wages while many of us are not; we expect for him to justify his huge wages. All this bullshit about how you should sit down, shut up, politely clap opposition players and never boo is ruining the game ? the customer's always right.
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32 Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:20:28
Excuse me if you think I'm being rude but I'm having a right laugh at the way you put things!!.. Very very funny post.
33 Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:28:23
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35 Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:36:22
His form is starting to come back, but this is probably the same group of people who where hurling disgusting abuse at Fellaini in his first season.
36 Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:43:34
Won't open for me ? it says 'this page is no longer available' or something like that.
37 Posted 06/02/2011 at 20:01:58
38 Posted 06/02/2011 at 20:10:39
Seems like only yesterday that everyone was saying that Saha was over the hill.Shit. What the fuck is Moyes playing him for etc etc.
Moyes has stated that Louis needs confidence,and we all saw the result of that yesterday.
Arteta is the same.Get behind him for fuck's sake. He's a class act and you know it.
Call yourself supporters. Tut tut tut.
39 Posted 06/02/2011 at 20:51:25
Way to big your team mates up, Mikel!
40 Posted 06/02/2011 at 20:49:50
Would he have stayed if the club had not given him £75 grand a week? I think we both know the answer to that.
41 Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:57:00
Just because Mikel added set-piece goals and attacking flair to his game doesn't mean we have to demand 15 goals from him a season. Fellaini has played quite well this season, not earth-shakingly magnificent as most people seem to think. The fact is we've struggled for goals and conceded frequently, so he can't be playing that well.
How many goals has he scored from the defensive midfield position? Everyone seems to have forgotten his ridiculous red cards and the amount of points they cost us in previous seasons. Judge him for what he is, a young player starting to fill what could be great potential and in good form this season.
Arteta, along with Cahill, has carried this side for about the past 4 or 5 years. His set pieces, whilst they have deteriorated after his injury, were once a source of plentiful goals whilst his overall play was mesmerising at certain points. I'll never forget that cup tie against Aston Villa when he marshalled a team containing Anichebe and Gosling on the wings with only Cahill up front to destroy a very good Villa side.
He's stayed loyal when he could have easily left, takes responsibility on himself for set pieces and penalties even now, in the face of overly harsh criticism, and still shows for the ball even in games this season where he hasn't been able to make a 1-yard pass. Fellaini has spent 2 seasons doing very little except getting sent off and now that he's playing half-decent everyone has him in a god-like aura.
42 Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:53:31
I have been far from impressed with his performances this season, but to completely write him off after six poor months is ridiculous.
Rodwell hasn't been great this season, played all over the middle, had a lengthy injury and over the past two weeks people had decided that he was never going to be the player we all hoped. He's only 19 and if we put him up for sale tomorrow I bet there would be a lot of clubs willing to take him off our hands for a decent fee.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and are free to air it, I wish some people would think first though before blowing a gasket (society in general here, not just Evertonians).
Y'know, I was sat behind someone yesterday who started criticising Bily after 40 seconds. I myself am yet to be convinced by Bily but really what does that achieve, he hadn't even done anything and was chasing down a Blackpool defender. Overall he had a decent game, yet this guy criticised everything he did.
43 Posted 06/02/2011 at 23:02:31
44 Posted 06/02/2011 at 23:46:50
He should have been dropped during November/December (when he was hugely disappointing); hopefully he is over the worst of it and his confidence - and fitness - are gradually returning.
Is he worth £75,000 a week? In his best form he is - and the top players' weekly wages are offered in the hope of them being on top form...
45 Posted 06/02/2011 at 23:53:59
Season 2 was brilliant until that Greek bastard near crippled him; he came back this season having spent as much time off as Arteta and continues his good form.
We all like and have our favourite players and Arteta has been a good player for us, but currently this season ? and we are in February not Aug/Sept ? he has been woeful and does not warrant a place in the side. What he earns each week is actually irrelevant, most people in the work place don't actually perform better following a pay rise, so how should footballers be any different.
You don't like Fellaini, fair enough, your prerogative, but you will find he is by far our most prized asset. I fear we will find that out in the summer.
46 Posted 07/02/2011 at 06:00:31
Obviously every blue is entitled to their opinion... but is that a joke???
Yes, he's having a below (his) par season this year but all his criticism is a tad much, not to mention the hate campaign thats grown waiting for him to make a mistake!
Not long ago, the ground (home and away) had his song echoing around it... people on suicide watch when he got injured and missed the derby.
I was also at the game away at Newcastle when he got stretchered off with a cruciate ligament injury. (meaning he was out for the season, therefore going to miss the rest of the FA Cup run) the place was like a morgue!!
Get behind him, he doesn't mean to fuck up... pains me to say, not even the Mancs or Kopites are that fickle with their STAR players when they are playing shite i.e., with Rooney or Gerrard.
47 Posted 07/02/2011 at 10:04:20
Fellaini, again has played really well for us since he's been here but he also doesn't warrant the revered status some fans hold him in. A very good player again, no doubt, but not the earth shattering, box-to-box superstar some would believe he is.
48 Posted 07/02/2011 at 10:31:22
How many times has he stated that he loves the club!! He doesn't want to leave!! He's is still here, while others have left, he's an Everton player, he is one of our own. Yes, he got a new contract, a bigger contract, don't we all look for security in our working lives, if we were offered bigger wages would we take it.
Yes, he's not having a great season but for all great past seasons he's given us, shouldn't we at least support the little Spanish wizard who's given so much in the past through this bad time he's having. He's never said a bad word against Everton, he's never spat his dummy out in the past, that's why we have loved him in the past.
Are we that fickle.... Please let's get behind this guy, if he was your son playing football would you pull him down from the touch line. Do you really think it'll restore his confidence by getting on his back. I for one will be supporting him through this difficult period that every player goes through.
49 Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:11:30
Chuffed with Beckford's goal, fair play to the lad, he has a go and not afraid to miss. He could have played it safe and gone for a first touch to steady himself but took a chance and lashed it home. That seems to be his strength that we need to play to as well, back to goal, holding play he has a lot to learn but facing goal with the ball in front of him, he is a definite threat.
50 Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:48:56
If you'd watch the Chelsea match, Lampard is going through same dip in form. WHY? he is a better player in a five-man midfield... 3 midfielderS and 3 forwards FFS, the Chelsea boss should be shot for that formation.
51 Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:14:59
Yes, Arteta has not been his best, but is getting there... he might have been wary to go all guns blazing due to his injuries... but that will come.
Under-rated ? the player who pulled the rest of the team up by their bootlaces... footballer of the year at least twice to my memory. Who at his peak deserves to be in the best National side in the world. A humble Everton loving guy who wants nothing more than for Everton to break the ceiling. The man is class, as a player and a person! Unbelievable.
52 Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:21:53
Supporters are meant to get behind their players not slate them cos they are pissed off cos they earn £75k a week. There's a load of shite across the park that's on more money than him. Time to get over the fact the players get paid silly money and support your players.
53 Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:34:44
54 Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:24:00
Well said mate, could not have put it better myself, some fans find it easier to defend the players they like, by making stupid remarks about others.
55 Posted 07/02/2011 at 14:11:39
56 Posted 07/02/2011 at 19:52:18
57 Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:58:08
58 Posted 07/02/2011 at 21:15:42
I wonder what they would say about the taxi driver/postman/policeman etc while they suffer through another day? Maybe something along the lines of, "How many DVD's, shoes and t-shirts do they actually need?"
Footballers wages are ridiculous compared to ours but at least we have a relatively comfortable life. Our wages are ridiculous compared to some people's.
59 Posted 07/02/2011 at 22:13:24
60 Posted 07/02/2011 at 22:26:10
61 Posted 08/02/2011 at 10:57:30
62 Posted 08/02/2011 at 16:22:26
You have summed things up perfectly.
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