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The power and magic of bold action

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While not wishing to take anything away from Saturday?s great game, five fine goals, Saha?s signal performance or anything else, I was brought back to earth when I looked at the table Sunday night.

A club that was in a very similar position to us ? below us in fact ? just a few short weeks ago, is now lying sixth having taken action, fired a misfiring manager, and brought in someone who brings fresh perspective, renewed inspiration and a new mandate and who is prepared to challenge and galvanize complacent players.

You can see the result in the table. Their crisis was met head on.

Everton, on the other hand, or rather Bill Kenwright, chose not to take any action, chose to keep plodding on with the incumbent manager, with the old methods and on the old path and we too can see the all too predictable result.

Saturday?s performance notwithstanding, we are still circling the periphery of the whirlpool, hoping not to get sucked into the relegation maelstrom, just a loss and another draw above the drop zone.

Yes, I know, in the words of the anthem, ?We don?t care what the redshite say? but in my heart of hearts I do. The contrast is too obvious not to be noted.

This has nothing to do with money, by the way. The team I am talking about did not field any big new signings on Sunday. In fact they were theoretically weakened by the loss of a key player. This has to do with leadership.

The words of Marcel Proust spring to mind: ?boldness has genius and power and magic in it.? When Moyes first came to Everton, he brought a fresh magic boldness. It?s a magic he has now lost and a boldness the years have blotted out. That?s why we are languishing in crisis and rival clubs are leaving us behind.

We may not be able to do anything about our finances for now, but we can do something about the other things that are wrong.

Peter Fearon, Liverpool     Posted 06/02/2011 at 19:52:51

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Max Main
1   Posted 06/02/2011 at 20:49:12

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Could give you plenty of examples of teams who have sacked their manager and become worse.

Do you really think sacking Moyes and bringing in a new manager would be sensible? A manager who would have to get used to the players immediately and would have no money to improve the squad in the summer.

I don't.
John Shaw
2   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:00:46

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Peter - they appointed a new manager who had previously won the league with an unfashionable club, he had also previously won the double as player manager with them, has medals coming out of his ears, is widely regarded by their fans as their greatest ever player and in the space of 4 weeks has had nigh on £60 million to spend !!!
Oliver Molloy
3   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:08:56

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Don't worry ? it will all go pear-shaped over there again sooner or later...
John Shaw
4   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:11:17

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His previous record as a manager suggests he is in the top tier. His honours as a player mean that none of the current crop of players at the club can swan around like they own the place when he's been there done it sold the t-shirt. His success as a player there and the esteem with which he is held by their fans mean that he immediately united them behind the team and they will give him as much time a wants, after all he's king fukin kenny. He also won't have any problem replacing any players who he deems to be underperforming or substandard.

None of the above would apply in our case should we chose to replace DM, which I still think would be a mistake, even though he has a lot to answer for this season.
Mike Hughes
5   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:06:39

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You are not comparing like for like. The RS were completely unstable, having sacked Benitez and Hodgson within a matter of months and having the huge turmoil of the boardroom wrangle. It wasn't so much a bold step as one borne out of desperation.

I still maintain that they have been fortunate with results since king kenny took over - lucky to beat Fulham, Wolves and an off-form Chelsea.

The fact that the RS are sixth indicates how poor the Premier League is this year and that is the real scandal for EFC - that we could not take advantage.

As much as I have been losing faith in DM these past few months, sacking him right now would be a catastrophe. Then there is the sixty million dollar question of who replaces him. I noticed you did not suggest anyone.

However, I agree with your broader point that it isn't always to do with finances - poor pre-season preparation for example.

Mark Wayman
6   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:17:53

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Hope it happens soon. Just when I think I can't hate them anymore, they sign a woman beater whom "young people can identify with" WTF?!

Back to the actual thread, sacking Moyes now would do more harm than good, it would appear things off the field are far worse than anything on the field.
Nick Entwistle
7   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:36:35

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Lets sack Moyes and bring back Kendall. We can pretend its the 80s all over again.
James Stewart
8   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:47:16

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I am no Moyes fan but now is not the time. It should have been well before xmas if it was gonna happen.

The Blackpool game was probably the turning point. Had we lost that then I think we would have been very likely candidates for relegation. Now I expect we will probably finish about where we are.

Then we have a whole summer of fighting off Fellaini suitors to look forward to.
Steve Guy
9   Posted 06/02/2011 at 21:46:55

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The RS had little option and panicked. So far, it appears to have worked for them but they are still riding the wave of new manager syndrome and got an extra kick from the acrimonious departure of the Ladyboy. Today's result at Chelski was a nap.To compare that mob to us doesn't work on any level and never has.

They do however have canny new owners. They sell one of their few assets and buy a player with undoubted talent but who carries massive baggage. But their desperate fans have seen this as a "sign" of the owner's preparedness to spend. Actually they are in nett profit at the moment. Haven't spent a bean. They also announce they will stay at Anfield and come out with the usual load of crap about how special the place is... Blah blah blah. Actually it's because they can't or won't afford the Stanley Park project. Certainly the redevelopment of Anfield will take years to come to fruition, but, importantly, buys them time: the promise of change without the actuality.

Nothing that they are doing now should be seen as the way forward for the Blues. We do need new owners and the re-financiing and investment that promises. It's ridding ourselves of the sterility of BS Billy and his crew that we need, not a new manager (per se); the removal of the latter is a short-term fix and the former the long-term solution.
James Martin
10   Posted 06/02/2011 at 22:14:15

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They're still as bad as ever, relying on a few own-goals... sorry a 'wonder finish' from Suarez to win games. All Dalglish has done is taken them back to what they are good at, mindless all out defence and rotational fouling personified by mad dog Kuyt. It's won him a few games in the short term but he'll keep hitting the same barriers that Benitez did.

I'm sure Moyes could bore the league out in the same way based on defensive solidity like we did when we came fourth but I much prefer our brand of football now, even if it is largely ineffective and woeful in attack and defence.

David Booth
11   Posted 06/02/2011 at 22:27:45

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Oh God, Dalglish wins a few games and all of a sudden he's the answer to all Liverpool's problems and an inspiration to us all.

Thought it was only the sycophantic media who suffered from that delusion.

Just a quick bit of perspective: Dalglish's Liverpool lost 2-1 to Blackpool after being a goal up in the first few minutes. We beat them by two after being a goal down with 20 minutes to go.

Is there no stick that some of you will not brandish to try and beat David Moyes with?
Ian Tunstead
12   Posted 06/02/2011 at 22:34:52

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Let's wait until the end of the season before we go jumping to conclusions ay. Most teams get a short term reaction when they get a new manager, let's see how long the novelty lasts.
Andrew James
13   Posted 06/02/2011 at 22:28:53

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Why on Earth are we talking about that disreputable shower across the park? They sold their souls long ago after their own fans sold out every other club in England ensuring none of us could get on the gravy train they enjoyed for years.

Forget them. They are clowns. Remember their dear old Kop was once populated by Evertonians. I hate the song "We don't care what the Red shite say..." because it makes us look like we have an inferiority complex.

I don't care what they get up to. I care greatly about us and yesterday we were awesome (in attack)

This is a site about Everton. We are class and that has been demonstrated this week as Davey knocked spots off that deluded idiot Wenger.

Phil Rodgers
14   Posted 06/02/2011 at 22:36:38

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I never thought i would see Proust quoted on ToffeeWeb.
Andrew James
15   Posted 06/02/2011 at 22:45:34

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@ Phil

All our final decisions are made in a state of mind that is not going to last.
Graham Rathbone
16   Posted 06/02/2011 at 23:15:32

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Steve @ 9 ? "They also announce they will stay at Anfield and come out with the usuall load of crap about how special the place is Blah blah blah"

Of course the place is special, it used to be ours!!!!

Jim Lloyd
17   Posted 06/02/2011 at 23:02:57

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Pete, I've a lot of sympathy for your exasperation but I think Steve Guy has it about spot on. David Moyes is a better manager than Kenny Dalgleish. Davy has made loads of mistakes, and he can be mindboringly cautious. But he's no money at all to ever try to bring our club on a same level of as the so called big clubs.

We've got to get our own club sorted out before we can think of changing managers. If we don't get rid of this crew in charge, then no manager could do better than Davy Moyes and our club, the one we've supported all our lives, will just fade away and die.

Let's hope there is some substance behind one or two rumours circulating. Get a new owner is our first priority.

Jonathan McGourty
18   Posted 07/02/2011 at 00:11:58

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Proust my arse! Don't you just hate it when people come up with some obscure quote and shoe-horn it into an arguement. The old duffer knew fuck all about the Premier League... In fact, he was French, and look at their league! Anyway.... I'm bald, and I don't have much power or magic in me.
Dick Fearon
19   Posted 07/02/2011 at 00:28:19

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Jonathon # 18, nice to know I am not the only hirsutely challenged Twebber. Yet back to the threads lead topic.

What the Blackpool game illustrated is what we are capable of when the dead hand of negativity is removed. If anything it was vindication for those of us who have railed about Moyes's tactics, lack of motivational skills and ridiculous substitutions.

And dare I say, has he finally managed to rid himself of his Osman obsession.

Peter Fearon
20   Posted 07/02/2011 at 00:51:22

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This is not about the specific merits of a rival club's manager. The real point is that when you take bold action to solve a crisis you may not succeed but you have a chance. When you take no action to solve your problems they will persist. We have chosen the latter course. As for who should replace David Moyes, there are plenty of candidates and they have been identified in previous threads.

Naturally those who wish to see continued negativity and failure and who are satisfied with our current situation will find fault with any or all of them. We are watching the house burn and some of us are calling for buckets of water while others are saying, "no, it's not really buckets of water you need."

Jonathan McGourty
21   Posted 07/02/2011 at 01:38:36

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Would getting rid of Moyes be like trying to put the fire out by throwing away the bucket then?
Peter Fearon
22   Posted 07/02/2011 at 01:41:48

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Asinine remark. Flippant. Complacent. Puerile. I welcome disagreement. Banality masquerading as pseudo-wit is not constructive.
Jonathan McGourty
23   Posted 07/02/2011 at 02:03:25

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I welcome disagreement too, not the dictionary clasping equivalent of cock waving. Why try and replace an established firefighter? (or bucket) with a sacked firefighter or journeyman firefighter.

If Chelsea play that badly in the cup replay, we'll also brush them aside, with a squad that's still a fraction of the cost of Liverpool's.

David Ellis
24   Posted 07/02/2011 at 03:02:57

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Lots of other examples of bold action. Look at Mike Ashley at Newcastle. Bold action sack Sam Alladyce. Bold action appoint Kinnear. Bold action appoint old hero with no managerial experience - Shearer. Get relegated.
Timid action - do nothing and persevere with Hughton - gets promoted and a decent mid-table position. Bold action sack Hughton and bring in manager with experience but mixed record.... Sell star player in the last few minutes of transfer window.

And that's just example from one club. I am delighted Liverpool have appointed Dalgleish. His record shows he does not have staying power. He has walked out of every job he's had at fairly odd moments. Even if he does well he is not going to build a dynasty.

Moyes may have become negative (he certainly was not when he arrived - remember he 6-2 defeat at St James' Park?) but he has been the difference between total disaster and upper mid table respectability - which frankly is the best we are going to be for a generation unless something changes behind the scenes.
Paul Gladwell
25   Posted 07/02/2011 at 06:45:55

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History will tell you most teams who have sacked their manager at this stage of the season end up in more trouble, now is not the time for upheaval and gambling.
Alan Clarke
26   Posted 07/02/2011 at 08:03:31

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I don't think much would be achieved by sacking Moyes at this moment in time. Despite Saturday's win, we're still in a relegation fight and totally destabilising things won't help.

In the summer though, I'd agree the whole set up needs changing ? new board, new manager and an overhaul of the playing staff too. This lot have shown themselves up not to be good enough this season.
Dave Wilson
27   Posted 07/02/2011 at 09:47:17

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On the contrary, Alan, against the better teams this lot have shown themselves more than good enough, that's what's pissing us all off.
Alan Clarke
28   Posted 07/02/2011 at 10:23:02

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That's even worse really Dave, because it must come down pretty much to a lack of effort and inept tactics in other games. The losses at home to West Brom and Newcastle for example are inexcusable.

I think this season smacks of complacency. The board are at fault for not investing in the squad meaning we've no strength in depth. The players know their place in the team is guaranteed. Everyone knows competition for places brings out the best in players. But in saying that, the level of performance from some of our 'better' players this season has not been acceptable especially considering how well they're paid. Finally, the manager is at fault for some awful tactical decisions and poor preparation for games. I just think he's been here too long. He's another one that knows no matter what happens, his job is safe.

Apart from a thriller on Saturday, this season has been as disappointing as any season I can remember. The blame lies mainly at Kenwright's door but the manager and players should also be held to account for the majority of shite served up on the pitch this season.
Andrew Ellams
29   Posted 07/02/2011 at 10:54:00

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Liverpool may have spent £58million last week, but let's not forget they made £61million by selling Babel and Torres, so the new owners have yet to make any investment in the team.
Tony J Williams
30   Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:00:05

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Alan, they are all to blame, Moyes, Kenwright and the players. You cannot separate the three. Lack of investment, lack of winning tactics and lack of effort on the pitch.
David Price
31   Posted 07/02/2011 at 10:55:42

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Great game on Saturday, yet on the few times this season where our hopes have been raised after a good display, we play terrible. Bolton away next week has got to be attack and go at them. I'll be gutted if Moyes puts the brakes on the momentum gained from a stirring last 15 minutes against Blackpool.

Moyes has to stay, crazy time to change, West Brom have signed their own relegation ticket. As for them lot, the lads posting are spot on, perfect spin talk from the yanks which has been given credence by some workmanlike, unsustainable victories.

If they actually spend their own cash, then I'll be worried, don't forget they have signed two and lost four players in this window.

Phil Bellis
32   Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:03:23

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As usual, Moyesey left no-one upfield at Blackpool set-pieces so, as usual, any clearance came straight back. What is up with the man? why does he persist in this? what use is a nippy, fast-footed midget when defending a corner?

And God help Bily ? the number of times he picked up the ball for a throw-in, ignored Baines, threw the ball quickly and accurately to an unmarked team-mate and kept attacks going ? tosser!

Drop him Davey; that'll learn `im!

Tony J Williams
33   Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:29:01

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Phil, if you watch other games, you will see that most teams defend en masse for corners. I know Chelski do it, as they did it against us and it's usually Drogba getting the clearing header.
Matthew Mackey
34   Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:27:23

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Peter, we now have a great opportunity to see how your idea would work. WBA sacked Di'Matteo yesterday. So let's see if WBA suddenly transform into a team that climbs the PL like you think all teams that sack their manager do. I somehow think you will find that your logic is flawed.

And realistically (and please pay attention to the word "realistically") who do you think would want to come and manage Everton and take them to a higher plain when there is no money to spend, no investment and a ground that needs more than a lick of paint to restore it to past splendour?

The words wake up and smell the coffee come to mind. Moyes is not the problem, but Kenwright maybe.
Phil Bellis
35   Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:38:48

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Doesn't make it right, though, Tony. One man left up = 2 opponents (at least) to mark him.
Remember what a bloody nuisance Wright-Philips was when he hung around the half-way line at opposition corners?
Ged Dwyer
36   Posted 07/02/2011 at 11:38:44

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Peter Fearon

You are spot on mate but with some people you are not allowed to say what you said.

They say there is no one out there who could do the job, there is no one who would want the job, there is no one better than Moyes, whatever name you give them they'll say he's shit.

They compare Moyes only to Walter Smith, it's all about money but ignore that most of our bad signings are the big money signings, they put forward 4th, 5th and 5th, they ignore hammerings after hammering by poor teams like West Brom as well as big teams.

Embarrassments in Europe and domestic Cups and a total lack of vision that has been draining our support for years.

'There is no one better than Moyes out there who would take the job' is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard.

Now 'Name names so we can knock you down' !

Anthony Fox
37   Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:13:56

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Same old Everton story... Whoever costs the most money or is on the highest wages gets the stick. That's why we had to put up with 30 thousand people saying Fellaini was shite when he first signed before anyone had even given him a chance.

Supporters are meant to get behind their players not slate them cos they are pissed off cos they earn £75k a week. There's a load of shite across the park that's on more money than him. Time to get over the fact the players get paid silly money and support your players.

Jimmy Hacking
38   Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:19:28

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Liverpool's recent form in comparison to ours is typical of the last 5 or 6 years or so.

On paper we are better than them. Before the 2-2 derby, literally every pundit was saying the same thing in the build-up. So how is it then that they are edging these big games against the likes of Chelsea? How is it they always manage to go one better than us?

It isn't "luck", that is delusional. and I have no time for refereeing conspiracy theories. From both clubs being level on points, the RS have shot ahead, and will doubtless qualify for Europe again while the "better team on paper" plod towards a 12th-place finish.
Alan Ross
39   Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:26:17

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There is one thing I'll say for Dogleash. His English has improved. There was a time when he made Lester Piggott sound like an orator.
Steve Guy
40   Posted 07/02/2011 at 12:45:09

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Ged, of course there are better managers out there, but getting rid of the manager at this point is wrong for two reasons. Firstly, it could actually send us down and, secondly, it masks the real issue; which is the lack of investment for which the current Directors are responsible and should be held accountable. Actually following through this logic says that the Directors might just sack Moyes to cover up their own failings, but it wouldn't make it right and we should not be fooled.

It's got to be "evens" money that Moyes walks in the Summer, when he gets told there's no money unless he sells off more of the current assets. If so, we'll get to find out who is up for the task and whether they make a better job of it than Moyes.

That would mean the new man would have to win the FA Cup as opposed to being losing finalists and get us into the Champions League on a regular basis instead of a one-off; with a Europa place seen as failure. Wouldn't it?
Ged Dwyer
41   Posted 07/02/2011 at 13:01:10

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Steve Guy

I can see were you are coming from and agree with a lot of what you have said. It is all about opinion and mine is that Moyes has been lucky. Lucky in the fact that the Premier League has been really poor with up until last season only 3 or 4 good teams so with an average manager who gets a few 1-0 wins instead of 1-0 defeats you could get an Everton team that has always had plenty of potential to 5th or 6th.

But, once the luck changes, we are always in danger of plummeting because in reality Moyes has never built a good first 11, we are always 1 or 2 players away and with a bit of astuteness, not money, he should have moved us on further (building a team with balance is more important than spending large amounts of money in my opinion).

I will say the one doubt I have about changing manager is that I have no confidence in Kenwright picking the right replacement so I would give anything to have a more sensible owner. But I do think there is at least one obvious replacement out there who would be better than Moyes and who could work with limited finance.

Tony J Williams
42   Posted 07/02/2011 at 13:21:30

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So Ged, Everton's "alright" positions when getting into Europe has been because of good luck, but now we are having a crap spell, it isn't bad luck, it's all about Moyes being a bad manager? Where is the reasoning behind that then?
Oliver Molloy
43   Posted 07/02/2011 at 13:25:42

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Ged @ 36...
Well he got one thing right, Ged, according to you... giving Arteta £75k a week, one of the players who contributed to all those Moyes falilures!!
Peter Warren
44   Posted 07/02/2011 at 13:43:46

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Phil 32# ? spot on mate. Bily needs to take a leaf out of Neville's book when it comes to throw-ins, how dare he throw it to one of our own player's feet or head.

Tony ? I don't care what other teams do at corners, it's peverse what we do. Put everybody in box and not cover both posts. Did you not notice that the first goal we conceded was from a corner ? and a crap one at that. Oh yes, against Arsenal it didn't work either. Oh sorry, other teams do it so it must be right...
Tony J Williams
45   Posted 07/02/2011 at 13:48:28

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Not saying it is right at all Peter, I agree we should be leaving at least one on the half way line; however posters trying to suggest that it is a "Moyes" tactic would do well to look at other games and see that a lot of managers do it. The current League Champions do it.
Tom Bowers
46   Posted 07/02/2011 at 13:44:35

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Some really good posts here, guys. Lots of good arguments for and against.

Have to agree somewhat that the Prem standard has dropped. Manure on top have been poor this season compared to previous and I was not surprised by their defeat against Wolves who although bottom have been quite a match for a lot of teams this season. Chelsea are also a shadow of the team of previous seasons and Man.City flatter to deceive despite their big signings.

Everton have struggled to win games and cannot have any excuses other than they haven't been good enough coupled with some poor tactics and team selection by Moyes. Yes, for sure with money we could be in a better position but I am not sure Moyes is the one to who can take us to that level after 9 years trying despite some solid economical deals.

As far as this season is concerned, one can hope that finally confidence has returned and that results will get better even though we had some big mistakes defensively against Blackpool.

Kase Chow
47   Posted 07/02/2011 at 14:18:39

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Only thing that upset me is this: Why couldn't we have replaced Steve Round with Steve Clarke?

The guy has a super record at Chelsea and is widely known within the game to be tactically excellent.

Keep Moyes and should have got Steve Clarke. Done.

Ged Dwyer
48   Posted 07/02/2011 at 14:24:32

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Arteta is one of the players who has played well most seasons. Our best spell last season was when he came back from injury and in the games v Man Utd and Chelsea we played some great football. If Moyes had kept to that formation and brought in Coleman when Donovan left, we would have kept the form going at the start of this season because the balance was right ? in my opinion.

The irony of when Moyes actually signed Arteta was that he wanted Sissoko but when he couldn't get him he then decided to give Arteta a permanent deal. A bit of luck there ? in my opinion !

Gavin Ramejkis
49   Posted 07/02/2011 at 14:28:52

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Tony #46, it makes my blood boil when Everton do it as other teams have an urgency to push out. We always have every last man in the area and if we get hold of the ball its a swift hoof to the halfway line or shorter with no one chasing it, everyone flat footed and the ball comes right back at us, every opposition corner or free kick in our half tends to end up with giving them two bites of the cherry unless the ball goes out of play first time.
Tony J Williams
50   Posted 07/02/2011 at 15:22:44

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Couldn't agree more Gavin, especially when we have slow, non-defensive players. Just stick one of them on the half-way line out of the way and get two of theirs to watch him.
Ged Dwyer
51   Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:00:26

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Tony Williams

So who should sort that out then, Tony? Moyes by any chance? Or does that cost millions to think up? And that's just one obvious tactical point!
Tony J Williams
52   Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:48:49

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It's Moyes decision to do it, doesn't means it's definitely the wrong one. I mean a double winning manager does it too so there must be some merit in it (don't know what).

It frustrates me but that's football for you.
Tony Hughes
53   Posted 07/02/2011 at 17:19:24

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Jim Lloyd 17, so if Moyes leaves we as a club will fade away and die? What utter crap!! Everton FC were here long before Moyes was born and we will STILL be here long after he has gone!
Trevor Lynes
54   Posted 07/02/2011 at 19:32:57

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WHY are so many fans concerned about what Liverpool do??? We need stability until the end of THIS season and then take stock! We beat Blackpool (who also gave us a big scare) but other bottom sides also had good results so we are in virtually the same position as before the Blackpool win! We need to win more home games and get something from most of our away games to be able to scramble away from the 'whirlpool of relegation'

So many of the comments to this article seem to smack of envy of Dalglish latest successes... forget it for goodness sake and look to ourselves to get out of trouble.
Talking of Liverpools lucky wins demeans us, because every side who wins has some luck and every side who loses can point to bad luck or decisions that went against them.

I would much rather Everton won the league and Liverpool finish above the Mancs and London sides than otherwise... I'm a SCOUSER ? not bitter.

Martin Paice
55   Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:37:06

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Tony - 53
Wednesday, Leeds and Forrest are still here and have survived.

Wouldn't swap places though!
James Martin
56   Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:34:39

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Ged 48 ? our best football in those pacthes wouldn't have been with Osman playing centre-mid with Arteta would it, oh and he got man of the match for that performance. Believe me I think Osman should start in the middle but I'm probably in a minority of one, unfair to criticise Moyes for changing it though when he brought Fellaini back in.
Thomas Williams
57   Posted 08/02/2011 at 02:57:46

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Trevor you are in a minority there mate, I support Everton and then anyone else who beats them across the park personally.
Ged Dwyer
58   Posted 08/02/2011 at 16:13:28

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James Martin

I think you are dead right. Ozzy is much more effective in the centre and gets a raw deal. Fellaini is over rated in my opinion and he has one big flaw playing as anchorman and if anyone can be bothered to watch a recording of the Anfield 'derby' game, for example, in the first half you can see Liverpool players can get past him easily as he is slow on the turn and to get a tackle in. There is no need to argue with me get a recording and watch it.

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