I have just listened to the David Conn interview, and it struck a chord with me when he said we should make the most of what we've got. We could be waiting another 10 years for investment if Kenwright's search carries on the way it has been.
I remember when the Park End was built it was done so with the possibility of adding a tier, so I'm guessing that the costs for doing it can't be that high. If I pluck a figure of £2 million out of the air, then it would pay for itself within a year if it added 3,500 to the gate, all paying £30 for 20 games a season. Then again, if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle...
We've got no other assets so we might as well make the most of the one that we've got...
Danny Broderick, Posted 07/02/2011 at 00:23:21
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1 Posted 07/02/2011 at 14:45:15
2 Posted 07/02/2011 at 15:18:43
Being anti-Kenwright I would like to blame him for the short-sighted cock up but I don't think he was in charge then!!
3 Posted 07/02/2011 at 15:21:51
4 Posted 07/02/2011 at 15:43:09
We can't afford to pull the whole Park End down and move the pitch towards Stanley Park at the moment, but won't this stop future potential owners ever being able to do it?
5 Posted 07/02/2011 at 15:54:55
Typically, even though The Football Trust picked up most of the tab, Everton elected to minimise cost so a design without expansion in mind was selected.
The decision to have commercial partners building a new structure for the medium-term behind it suggests it's not on the agenda either.
6 Posted 07/02/2011 at 15:52:53
I did say Kenwright as he must have some input as to who the club put in charge of marketing and selling the brand all over the world. If it was a good brand, then we might get more looks our way instead of just walking past because the window display is shite.
First thing is, get new kits on sale before the summer holidays.
Second is, next time we have a cup final, try and sell t-shirts, scarfs banners or any thing as a momento and not rely on staff to point you to an independant bloke in the street who was making a fortune from the 2009 FA Cup Final.
There's two simple ways to make money.
7 Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:06:11
8 Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:12:45
With a great deal of effort and money (which we don't have) Goodison could be made a little less of an impediment... but impediment it would remain.
The bloke clearly had no idea what he was on about and was waffling.
9 Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:21:31
It's a bit like saying, 'you've got six months to live... make the most of it'!
10 Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:22:18
We could then offer restricted view at a discount.
However, I am not sure if the proposed retail development will hinder this.
11 Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:50:20
12 Posted 07/02/2011 at 16:51:58
I agree with Chris Matheson (above) I don't think the Park End was ever designed to be extended. It was just a cheap fix to improve the abhorrence that was the old Park End stand.
13 Posted 07/02/2011 at 17:22:34
It's about the pound spent per punter, not so much the number of punters in our case. Adding a second tier onto the Park End doesn't help that.
14 Posted 07/02/2011 at 17:34:05
You have to speculate to move the club forwards.
Sure, we might not fill it now but, if you add some reasonable corporate hospitality, it should pay for itself.
The danger of not investing in the stadium is if (and it's a big 'if') the fortunes turn around on the field, then the crowds will come. If you wait until that happens, then it's already too late to capitalise.
15 Posted 07/02/2011 at 17:37:46
16 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:05:53
Seriously though, I think we should be redeveloping Goodison. I just don't think Bill is the man for the job. Do you?
17 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:03:29
What I'd love to see is a wrap-around of the main stand. You know, what with that billionaire Evertonian I'm hoping will buy the club.
18 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:13:40
19 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:30:48
20 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:43:39
The £2 million figure might have been a tad optimistic ? I'll blame it on the night shift...
But if we simply added on to the existing structure, as I believe we can from when it was designed, then it wouldn't take mega bucks to do this ? certainly well under £10 million. And the figures would add up because it would be repaid certainly within a few years.
James (13) ? you say there is little point providing a new stand. Well, how many times must people call the ticket office, get a quote of £35 for an obstructed view, and decide not to bother going to the game?
I'm convinced the maths would add up for this if we do it ? the trouble is I have little faith in Kenwright to do it.
21 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:48:50
22 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:50:50
So in answer to your point, I'd like to see the whole ground re-developed, but let's start with the Park End.
23 Posted 07/02/2011 at 18:57:44
I've always wondered why we don't buy and knock down the two end terraces on Dianna and Murial Street. Buy part of the school's playground and expand Bullens further out.
24 Posted 07/02/2011 at 19:17:46
25 Posted 07/02/2011 at 19:25:13
26 Posted 07/02/2011 at 19:34:51
27 Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:05:04
The point I am trying to make is that I thought the whole point of building the extra tier would be for the club to make more money. However, if it is a case of simply the existing Goodison regulars moving from one area of the ground to another, how is the club going to benefit financially?
28 Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:16:10
29 Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:28:54
30 Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:43:29
Stewart #26 ? I understood that was a plan at one time.
And, I was always lead to believe that the Park End redevelopment was made at one tier but with the foundations set for a second later tier as at the time it was too costly.
Better facilities, more corporate facilities paying premium rates seems to be what the club wants and subject to the short term cost being made available/afforded, it seems a good idea to me rather than moving.
A critic on here said the other day that the Main Stand was not even good enough when it was built; up in Top Balcony, it's improved... but, for a family day out at £100, I am not so sure.
31 Posted 07/02/2011 at 20:45:32
I've had it with these amateurish fuckers running this club. Get the fucking lot of them out now or there will be no fucking Everton left in 5 years.
32 Posted 07/02/2011 at 21:11:28
Taken mates from home to the game and paid for shocking seats in the Lower Bullens. they may not sell out but look at tickets available the week before a game, all green restricted seats with little choice if you want to buy 2+ seats together.
A no brainer, would sell more and on certain games sell out or allow promotions for families to encourage a new generation of fan. Problem is we have not the leadership at the club to deliver.
33 Posted 07/02/2011 at 21:11:51
I disagree, I believe we could easily pull in 45 thousand if the views were half decent, Goodison only offers about 35,000 seats from which you can actually watch the game in without twisting your neck, the days when people were prepared to pay 30-odd quid to sit behind the post are gone. Give people nice facilities and a decent seat and an upper and lower Park End would sell out.
In the immediate, future the Lower Bullens could either be converted into corporate boxes, or sold to kids at a proper knock-down price.
34 Posted 07/02/2011 at 21:27:43
We aren't going anywhere else.
So let's make as good a job of the place as we can.
What do we need?
As many unobstructed views as possible.
I leave it up to the rest of you how it can be achieved.
35 Posted 07/02/2011 at 21:40:17
Goodison Park has options for refurb/upgrade but never had a Chairman with the will or willing to do so. If you or anyone else doubting the quality of a Leitch stadium get yourself to Glasgow and take a look at Ibrox, it can be done but needs money and willing custodians, they have the named bricks there too, just a plastercast face on a brick but extremely popular and brought income to the club.
36 Posted 07/02/2011 at 22:06:10
If you don't they won't..
37 Posted 07/02/2011 at 23:13:22
Others like Spurs, West Ham and Man Utd have substantially improved what they had.
It is a total disgrace that all Everton have really done is that Meccano Park End at a cost of £2.1M (with £1.3M of that paid for by the Football Trust) and that was 17 years ago.
It was supposed to be a 10,000 seat two-tier stand (which would have given us a 44,000 capacity) and in April 1991 a picture of the intended structure linking with the Bullens Road and sweeping round was published in the Chelsea programme.
But our shortsighted Board (containing both Bill Kenwright and Sir Phillip Carter) were guilty of looking at 1993 crowds (only 13,500 at Kendall Mk 2's final match) and completely underestimating the Premier League era and sanctioned a functional and far too small structure totally out of keeping with the rest of Goodison, as Nick Entwhistle rightly says.
We could say it's never too late to start and of course it isn't, it's just going to cost a massive amount more now as construction costs, especially steel and labour, have shot up since the 90s.
I agree with David Conn. Make Goodison great again. It won't happen under BK though, sadly. Not enough cash and not enough will to do it.
38 Posted 07/02/2011 at 23:03:38
39 Posted 08/02/2011 at 00:42:57
Yet barely 32,000 v Chelsea. Yea, that was live on TV... and an extra £35... is that the difference? Hopefully somebody can explain? Perhaps those who went to the Blackpool game but not the Chelsea game?
40 Posted 08/02/2011 at 01:43:50
Not the first time our board members have bolloxed things up is it?, Bobby Robson, Clough and Nigel Martyn springs to mind.
41 Posted 08/02/2011 at 09:56:11
42 Posted 08/02/2011 at 13:24:30
43 Posted 08/02/2011 at 14:38:04
The whole point most people seem to miss about spending money increasing Goodison is this... Every pound you or I spend outside GP is a pound the club want to capture, so the £5 parking, Everton want, the £30 ale in the local boozer the club want, the £3 chippy dinner the club want, even the bus fares and bloody betting money! Every penny spent outside the ground is money the club is losing out on and could have if they moved to an out of town stadium like Bolton's, it's as simple as that.
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