Is it just me or are his results really bad? I don't know a lot about the reserve league and so please correct me if I'm wrong but surely the key to having a good squad should be to have a reserve team that are winning?
OK, I accept that the lack of squad depth could lead to a less successful reserve team but it's not even like any of those players we've bought as prospects have even moved up..
Now it's Gueye reported to be unhappy in the reserves, he did look good but probably needed 6 months in the reserves before getting in the first team, 4 months later he's dropped off the bottom of the reserve team, is that just more wasted cash?
Much as I'm sure the guys a lovely fella and I'm sure an inspiration to young professionals, getting beat 5-1 by Blackburn is never good practice should there not be a better tactician put in his position?
Danny Hinchcliffe, Posted 22/02/2011 at 17:00:34
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1 Posted 22/02/2011 at 20:04:53
2 Posted 22/02/2011 at 20:18:31
While on this occassion a few of the first team squad played, usually they are boys playing against men. Hardly fair to judge Stubbs on this?
So little emphasis is placed on reserve football these days, I wouldn't even try and draw any conclusions based on it.
3 Posted 22/02/2011 at 20:33:01
How about David Moy.....oh, hang on....
4 Posted 22/02/2011 at 20:44:00
Maybe Stubbs is keeping an eye on Rodwell and Felli for when he makes money on their transfers, a la Rooney?
5 Posted 22/02/2011 at 21:10:05
6 Posted 22/02/2011 at 21:44:24
Where are all the "Howard out, give Mucha a game" clan? Problem for reserves is there is no consistency so it is hard to gel!
7 Posted 22/02/2011 at 22:29:06
8 Posted 22/02/2011 at 22:39:12
Mucha and Hibbo both played against Blackburn and I reckon a few of the others should be playing, eg: Osman, Anichebe, Bily and Heitinga as they are not playing full games ? so how can they be match fit?
I don't want to enter into arguments with other fans but when players were off--form or coming back from injury, they used to play in reserve games to get them sharpened up. A lot of our STARS seem to be quite happy sitting games out on the bench and picking up money for old rope ? 15-minute cameos at fantastic rates of pay!!!
9 Posted 22/02/2011 at 22:51:01
No wonder he was publicly advising Rooney to leave after Euro 2004.
10 Posted 23/02/2011 at 00:19:06
11 Posted 23/02/2011 at 08:58:00
It's quite funny that as we have a decent result against Chelsea we find some posters having a pop at the reserve team and their "manager". Some posters really do make me laugh. We're doomed I tells yer!
12 Posted 23/02/2011 at 09:11:32
Anyway, the reserve team is pointless nowadays.........
13 Posted 23/02/2011 at 12:26:33
Basically the Reserve teams from Northern clubs played in the Central League, with their Southern counterparts playing in the Football Combination. I think this system operated fairly successfully for several decades. When my Dad bought me my 1st season ticket for the 1966-67, we used to go to some of the Reserve Team matches. I recall seeing people like Joe Royle, Jimmy Husband and Mike Trebilcock playing for Everton's second string. I reckon that the attendances at Goodison would have been around 5,000 on average.
In my opinion a good Reserve team League is important for the development of young players and also giving "game time" to squad players.The current system in this country leaves a lot to be desired and over recent years the organisation of the Reserve Team League has declined very sharply.
Compare the situation in Spain. There several of the Reserve Teams compete in the overall League structure ? Barcelona's 2nd Team play in the 2nd Tier of the Spanish League. Real Madrid's play in the 4th tier. The teams can get promoted and relegated ? but they can't be promoted to play in the same division as the 1st team. I think that Barcelona's 2nd Team are in 7th place!! Is it any wonder that so many good young Spanish players seem to be coming through the ranks, when they can play their Reserve team football at a decent, competetive level.
If you look back in history some of the most successful Everton teams ? 1969-70 and 1984- 85 for example they have included several players who have come through from the Reserves. Players such as Tommy Wright, Jimmy Husband and the great Brian Labone, Gary Stevens and Kevin Ratcliffe played for Everton's Reserve team in the Central League.
So I have to disagree with Craig. The Reserve Team is far from pointless. Bringing through our own players is very important for a club like Everton. We may not be able to compete in the transfer market with the financial mega rich clubs, but neither can the likes of Ajax Amsterdam. Having a good youth policy is one way we can redress the balance as Ajax have done.
Stubbs is not entirely to blame, his options are resricted due to the decline of the Reserve Team League. Have a decent league organisation at Reserve Team level and the benefits will be many.
14 Posted 23/02/2011 at 12:55:07
15 Posted 23/02/2011 at 14:42:52
16 Posted 23/02/2011 at 16:44:11
Michael, isn't it that Barce grew so strong and successful that their reserve team is so good? Rather than the other way round?
Barce and Real's reserve teams are practically teams in their own right rather than reserve teams. Barce B will be big enough to have its own reserve team soon. They even have a 15,000 seater stadium of their own next to the Nou Camp.
17 Posted 23/02/2011 at 19:20:07
First team players always played at least one reserve game following an injury to sharpen them up... and if they were off-form they got dropped to the reserves and replaced.
Sitting on the bench for 60 minutes (at least) every week is a joke and a great job for some players who are on big money for providing cameo performances or tactical moves.
18 Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:14:44
A good youth development programme is important to Everton. Check your history ? many of our best teams contained a good proportion of "home grown" players.
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