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I am not a conspiracy theorist in any way... nevertheless I cannot help but feel that there is a conspiracy to part Jack Rodwell from Everton with the logical destination being Old Trafford.

I don't base this on any sound facts, just a gut instinct that someone ? more than likely SAF, but my suspicious nature does not preclude Bill Kenwright or someone working for him ? are pulling the story hungry media strings.

It started in the transfer window to some effect but has picked up steam in the last two weeks. SAF has no history of 'tapping up' players directly but he gets what he wants most of the time and it surely would not be beyond him to start the rumors and sow the seed in the lad's head. I have no doubt that Rooney would be used as either go between or as an example of what a local boy can achieve on a bigger stage.

On the other hand, we all know that Everton are skint and could benefit from the sale of a prized asset. Kenwright knows he will have to sell him at some stage... and is letting the market know that he is available to the highest bidder.

The third possibility is of course; that Rodwell's agent is up to, what agents usually get up to and that is getting their stock in front of buyers

Regardless of who it is, someone is driving the issue and I doubt it has just sprung from nowhere.


Hugh Jorgan, Tauranga, New Zealand     Posted 23/02/2011 at 23:58:05

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Danny Broderick
1   Posted 24/02/2011 at 05:10:09

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We can't afford not to sell him. We are so skint and have sold off all of our assets now so it's inevitable he will leave at some point.

If he is to leave for big money, he will have to raise his game a few notches, because I don't think his performances have matched the fans' excitement regarding him as a prospect. He is undoubtedly a talent though, I just hope he gets a run of games and stays injury free so we can all see if he is going to be a top player.

Paul Conatzer
2   Posted 24/02/2011 at 05:11:34

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Just because we aren't paranoid, doesn't mean people aren't out to get us. I have noticed an increase in stories about Rodwell going to either United, City or Real Madrid. One of the stories also read... Rodwell is thought to prefer to go to United. Speaking as a former sports journo, I hate the lack of attribution I see in stories like this.
Hugh Jorgan
3   Posted 24/02/2011 at 05:16:09

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Yes! Paul, lack of attribution has the hall marks of someone, somewhere working their menace.

Despite Rodwell's lack of impact, it's plain to see that he has the talent and the understanding of the game that will mark him as a great player. A future Brian Labone.
Dermot Ryan
4   Posted 24/02/2011 at 05:27:29

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If we can get a decent price, I say sell.
Ste Traverse
5   Posted 24/02/2011 at 05:42:49

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No doubt Rodwell will be sold in the summer and Kenwright will get his chums in the media like Dave Prentice to do the usual trick of stiching up the outgoing player as the bad guy.

A typical trick from this shithouse regime.
Anthony Hughes
6   Posted 24/02/2011 at 08:07:30

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It will happen, just a matter of time .
Nice name by the way Hugh :)
Dick Anderson
7   Posted 24/02/2011 at 08:11:40

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Rodwell is history.

All the rumours this week and neither Moyes, Kenwright or Rodwell have come out with a statement to deny anything.

Their silence speaks volumes.
Chris Hannon
8   Posted 24/02/2011 at 08:16:49

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What's a decent price tho??
Liam Reilly
9   Posted 24/02/2011 at 08:38:39

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Sure, lets sell another of our best young prospects, we may as well put up a sign saying "Man U Feeder Club".

FFS, there's is no way he should be sold. He should be the future of the club, but he needs to be convinced that his ambitions can be met.

There will be a few exits this summer for sure, but I hope JR isn't one of them.
Richard Parker
10   Posted 24/02/2011 at 09:08:30

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If we're to have any chance of not getting into deeper shit than we're already in, we've got to keep players like Rodwell. If we're going to sell, it has to be players in their peak years who are going to fetch a premium price.

Breaking down the model to its most basic theory (ignoring SAF, agents, Madrid, the player's will, etc) we need to bring through youngsters like Rodwell and sell them on when they hit 27, 28 years old.

Personally, I feel that the players that need to be moved on are those that are either about to deteriorate in value. We need to effectively operate with two types of player; older, experienced pros like Pip, Distin, Cahill and Saha, and young, improving prospects like Fellaini, Rodwell, Coleman.

The ones in the middle need to go. The exceptions being Howard, Baines and Jagielka ? we need to keep a solid base. Ossie and Hibbo wouldn't fetch much and appear to be OK with their roles of squad players.

Arteta at 29 or so, is probably the main asset that really needs to be sold now. We'd miss his talent for sure and I wouldn't want to see him go, but his selling price is only going to reduce from here. Heitinga could be sold and I don't feel that we'd miss him much, the same goes for Bily and it looks like the Yak is probably going.

Strip out those players and we're left with a starting 11 that looks a bit like: -
Howard
Pip Jags Distin Baines
Coleman Rodwell Fellaini [New player]
Cahill
Saha

With Bily, Arteta, Heitinga and Yakubu out the door, that'd give Moyes in the region of £30M (minus a few quid to keep the bailiffs out) to bring in 4 or 5 up and coming youngsters, a couple of frees and maybe a few older players in.

I don't see another way to keep our heads above water.
Gavin Ramejkis
11   Posted 24/02/2011 at 09:35:18

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There's no conspiracy theory to be had. Thanks to Kenwright, we are a selling team just to pay the bills and we as fans have let him get away with it, so in essence collectively as big a shithouse as he is.

Expect the media to kiss Kenwright's arse and portray Rodwell as 1) a greedy bastard; 2) demanding the move; 3) a fallout with the manager (lie) ? Kenwright's usual modus operandi... and suckers fall for it season after season. DM will then be given a pittance of the fee and we'll get some no-mark from a lower and/or foreign league, portrayed as a future star that we captured right under the noses of strong European wide competition.

Kenwright's best hope is that a bidding war starts and he gets over the odds for him and his sycophants are delighted at another masterstroke from their business clown prince.

Stephen Lewis
12   Posted 24/02/2011 at 09:41:27

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I think that Rodwell's stock is relatively low at the moment ? he hasn't really kicked on this season because of injuries. He's one of our 'poster boys' and I suspect therefore that we will probably try and hang on to him for another year to maximise his price.

Going forward, I guess it may be possible that, in common with many of our other former assets, we could agree a sale and leaseback deal with Man U.

Mark Murphy
13   Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:11:07

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I'll be gutted if we sell Rodwell. I'd much prefer to sell Fellaini or Arteta and keep Rodwell. If we can't afford to buy in the big stars then we should nurture and cherish the home grown talent we bring through. Rodwell has stated in the past that he won't do a Rooney and I'd love to see the club reciprocate!
Tom Harries
14   Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:10:19

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Starting rumours that something is going to happen in order to make it happen (because people start to think it's inevitable) is not exactly unique to SAF; it's one of the oldest tricks in the book (ask anyone in politics).

I'd be staggered if Rodwell wasn't being tapped up by somebody.
Adam Bennett
15   Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:21:15

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The Daily hate Mail reckon he ?favours a move to Man Utd?.

How do they know? Has he actually told the journo that? ? because I very much doubt it. All this ?my sources tell me? and that ?a journo never reveals his source? is basically code for ? ?I thought I?d write some bullshit story?.

Over the years the media have complained about the top 4 being a closed shop (which has now opened up to 5 or 6), yet when teams break the top 4, or come close to doing it, they start coming out with stories about how this player is going to Man Utd (and he needs to develop under Sir Alex) or that player is going to Chelsea (his missus will love it in London). Thus strengthening the status quo and weakening its challengers.

I try not to read football journalists anymore because 99% of them, especially in the tabloid rags, are complete and utter self-serving, self-important gobshites, wrapped up in their own self -mportance and arrogance, writing complete bull so they can get an appearance on Sky Sports News on transfer deadline day with that twat Jim White shouting how excited he is, or to get on the Sunday Supplement show for a jolly morning talking shite with Brian Woolnough.

There are a few decent journo?s out there (thinking Brian Reade, Martin Samuel), but there are far far far too many twats who are that far up Sir Alex?s and ?Arry?s arses they should be nicknamed ?toes?.
Matthew Mackey
16   Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:32:27

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What concerns me just as much is the stories surrounding Fellaini. I'm hearing whispers that he may not sign a new contract this summer unless there is clear evidence that the team and the club are going in the right direction to suit his and his big-mouth dad's ambitions.

If Rodwell goes then you can be sure, as day follows night and night follows day, that Fellaini will go not long after. And, if both Rodwell and Fellaini go, then IMO we are well and truly F U C K E D.

Dick Fearon
17   Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:36:23

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Absolutely bloody amazing! A Mail reporter with a column to fill scratches his head and comes up with a bit of crap that everyone takes as gospel. This is nothing more than tittle tattle and a bit of anti-Bill venom rolled up in a way that excites the many hysterical conspiracy theorists that abound in these pages.
Ian Kearney
18   Posted 24/02/2011 at 10:44:25

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He's got 5 years on a deal that costs the club far less than it will to renew Fellaini's deal, which has just over 2 years to run.

If only one of our stars is leaving, I'd say the smart money would be on Fellaini, as much as it would sadden me.

Though if the manager gets all the money, and Arteta and Rodwell were to step up to the mark, maybe this wouldn't be the worst thing that ever happened to us... (some big 'if's there).
Richard Dodd
19   Posted 24/02/2011 at 11:34:22

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Whilst I would totally understand the need for funds dictating the sale of JR, I do so hope we shall be spared the dramatics surrounding the sale of both Rooney and Lescott.

Let`s just have it straight "We need the money to invest in the team" instead of all the misinformation that surrounded those previous sales.

David Thomas
20   Posted 24/02/2011 at 11:59:56

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Dick 17,

Agree 100%.

I like the OP stating I am not a conspiracy theorist ? but please see below my conspiracy theory.
Gavin Ramejkis
21   Posted 24/02/2011 at 12:15:19

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Dick #17 and David #20, it's not a conspiracy model though ? it's BK's only business model... or between the two of you, do you have any other way of describing asset stripping to pay operational costs?
Norman Merrill
22   Posted 24/02/2011 at 12:16:24

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The Sky programme Sunday Supplement last Sunday morning finished with the three journalist all agreeing that Rodwell will be United bound, so its well known in the sports press that Jack will end up at Old Trafford. Whether, that comes to fruition, only time will tell. But our financial situataion does not give us much of a option, other than a sale.

Unless of course, with the upheaval in the middle east, some rich deposed arab might come a calling. Now that's a good rumour?.

Martin Mason
23   Posted 24/02/2011 at 12:44:36

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If we sell Rodwell, we may as well put up the white flag over Goodison and pack in. The best up-and-coming player we have had in years, a future great and a local lad to boot. I end my 50-year love affair with the club when they do this.
Charles King
24   Posted 24/02/2011 at 12:48:30

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If he does go, I hope it's somewhere other than OT ? it's bad enough we've become a selling club without becoming the Man U academy.
Max Main
25   Posted 24/02/2011 at 12:50:54

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Nonsense.

All this "journalists said it will happen so it will happen". Journalists speculate, that's what they do. How would they possibly know what's going to happen? They need something to write, and Rodwell to Man U looks good on paper and it would make a nice headline if it happened, so they go on and on about it. I really can't believe how much credit people are giving journalists' "knowledge".

My personaly opinion is that we should sell him because we need the money and he simply isn't good enough right now and I think Moyes feels he has to play him. He might turn out to be the next big thing but in the position we're in I don't think we can afford to take that gamble.

But ultimately it is up to Rodwell. If he wants to stay he'll stay, if he wants to leave he'll leave. I don't give a shit what any journalist says.
Gavin Ramejkis
26   Posted 24/02/2011 at 13:09:51

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Max #25, ultimately it's up to BK, he decides who stays and who goes ? not the players... and certainly not DM.
Martin Paice
27   Posted 24/02/2011 at 12:52:48

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Not being an accountant, this may be somewhat of a naive view, but working on the basis of £4m in interest payments last year, selling the Yak, should cover that.

Assuming we go on to make another £4m in interest payments this year, selling Yobo and Vaughan should cover that.

We made a small loss over all last year, but a decent cup run should reduce that.

On that basis we'd only need to sell the likes of Rodwell if one of our many significant loans needs to be repaid this year (which I don't know if they do or not).

Appreciate this isn't a long term strategy but, short of selling the major player assets, clearing the debt and starting from scratch, i'm not too sure what else we could do?
Jay Harris
28   Posted 24/02/2011 at 13:18:08

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We could always have a rights issue or get the "Supporters Trust Fund" as advocated by Tony I'Anson and friends to eliminate or to take on the debt and thereby reduce or eliminate the interest payments.

Alternatively we could appoint a "proper" chairman with the specific task of finding a "proper" buyer that would enable us to build on the talents of Rodwell and Fellaini rather than sell them to competitors.
Colin Ryan
29   Posted 24/02/2011 at 13:40:54

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For me, if one big name has to go this summer, it can only be Fellaini. Hopefully get £20m for him and give Moyes £10m to find a replacement with £10m going to pay off whatever mess were in.

I don't think Fellaini is going to sign a new deal and, with only 2 years left, this summer is when we can get our best price for him. If he stays and doesn't sign, we'd only get £10m next summer.

And in my opinion the guy is over rated anyway. A few fancy flicks doesn't disguise him not tracking back and never actually breeaking into a sweat. Get a good honest player in there beside Rodwell and watch us improve next season.

James Stewart
30   Posted 24/02/2011 at 14:03:00

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Said it before... will say it again: Neither Fellaini nor Rodwell will be at Everton next season!

My fear is we won't get full market value and Kenwright will bend over for Man Utd again ? just as he did when £50m Rooney became £10m up front Rooney. I would imagine both will net about £40m with barely £10m going back to Moyes.

Agree that Rodwell's stock isn't high enough yet and his value will go up in a year.

Also agree with Dick that the silence from all involved says all you need to know.
Michael Greaves
31   Posted 24/02/2011 at 14:17:16

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Jack Rodwell's choosing to leave would only serve to help keep the club in operation for the near future. It's clear to all concerned that currently, Everton FC does not present an attractive investment opportunity. Until this situation changes, I am very much afraid that the family silver will continue to be sold.

It behooves the custodians of the club to ensure that the right deal is struck for the club, straight cash, and not one of those "50% down the rest when he plays 1000 games for us" types of deals-plus a couple of squad players in return.

Tony J Williams
32   Posted 24/02/2011 at 14:29:33

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Why should Kenwright, Moyes or Rodwell come out and say anything? Why gratify a bored journo?

Colin wants a good honest player, when so many postters here give Moyes loads because he is apparently scared of skillful players... He really cannot win can he?
Craig Taylor
33   Posted 24/02/2011 at 14:26:41

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Vaughan (£1m), Yak (£5m), Yobo (£3m), Heitinga (£6m), Rodwell or Felliani (£25m). £40m to play with: £20 million to the bank; £20 million for transfers.

Mustafi, Duffy, the greek lad (who scored a goal in his first reserve game so is obviously amazing) and Baxter to be promoted to proper first teamers who will actually be given a chance if injuries require.

Look at how easy it is. I do not know why we are so worried.
Max Main
34   Posted 24/02/2011 at 14:36:57

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Gavin - you're wrong.

Have a look at this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/oct/18/everton-premierleague

Note "A principal reason for the delay (in signing a new contract), however, was Moyes's insistence that his contract should guarantee a continuation of the autonomous reign he has been granted by Bill Kenwright".

Kenwright would not, and it appears cannot, sell someone behind Moyes's back.

And you'll probably say "yeah but you said Rodwell has control, not Moyes". But the point is Moyes would obviously not sell. We all know Moyes, we all know he does not like to sell his best players. And we know he rates Rodwell highly ? there is no chance Moyes would choose to sell Rodwell.

The power these days is firmly in the player's hands. If a player wants to leave, he can. Puts in a transfer request, plays poorly, disrupts the camp etc etc. And equally if a player doesn't want to leave, it is very unusual for them to be forced out. Rodwell has a long contract at Everton, and he has the power.

Not Kenwright.
Tony Waring
35   Posted 24/02/2011 at 15:51:55

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Well if he does go to OT, I hope we insist on a good wedge of cash + Gibson or Fletcher ? nothing less (and certainly not Carrick or Owen).
Tony Hughes
36   Posted 24/02/2011 at 16:27:32

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Martin Mason 23, didn't you know the white flag has been blowing in the wind since fatboy was flogged off mate!!
David Holroyd
37   Posted 24/02/2011 at 16:29:02

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Arteta is the one to go ? we can't afford 70 grand wages.
Brian Waring
38   Posted 24/02/2011 at 16:42:11

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Didn't all the rumours start, because SAF came out and said he had put a bid in January for an up and coming youngster, but was told by the lad's club, that they wouldn't do business in the January window, but would be open to dealing in the summer?

The press then started to add Rodwell's name into the mix.
Roberto Birquet
39   Posted 24/02/2011 at 16:56:04

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I'm getting a bit bloody annoyed that so many are calling for the sale of Arteta. He has a few below-par months and it's "Piss off". People were bloody doing cartwheels when he signed the new deal. He's class, and will return to showing it.

We should only let one of the top players leave. And first we should wait to see what Felli wants. If he doesn't sign, then our decision is taken for us. He or Rodwell would bring £20 million in the present crazy-again market. It would buy a replacement and a winger. Sales of the cast-offs (Yobo, Yak, Vaughan, and perhaps Anichebe) will get an expensive striker.

Do we get the Pienaar money? Savings on bloody wages these last few months and Bellefield dosh should keep banks happy.
Gavin Ramejkis
40   Posted 24/02/2011 at 17:15:15

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Max (#34), that's as naive as BK's bullshit "Don't ask me I'm just the chairman". The Chairman and board are responsible for buying and selling players, any club that lets their manager do it get a melted wax face special ? see Southampton, Pompey, Spurs (if they didn't earn so much commercially) all fucked over by Redknapp's eager chequebook and slice of player sales for his own non-tax-paying profit-margin routine. The same twat who has just started his "I don't try to tap up players" routine but is happily stuffing the press with "Blackpool will get a bidding war over Charlie Adam" come the summer.
Brian Waring
41   Posted 24/02/2011 at 17:29:51

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Roberto, what makes you think that any money made on players, would be invested in new players?
David Thomas
42   Posted 24/02/2011 at 17:58:28

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Gavin 21,

You say it is not a conspiracy. The original poster whose post we are all contributing to actually states " I cannot help but feel that there is a conspiracy to part Jack Rodwell from Everton"
James I'Anson
43   Posted 24/02/2011 at 17:41:56

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Nobody, not even Bill, can force Rodwell to leave. He has a five-year contract. If the club accept an offer for him then it will be Jack's decision and nobody else's. Wayne Rooney made the decision to leave himself. (He even cried to Bill.)

On the other hand, Jack might tell Bill to shove it up his arse. He's an Evertonian and might just want to remain an Evertonian. He could wait until the end of his contract and if Bill still doesn't want him then he could leave. To be honest I would rather he took this stance and left for fuck all at the end of his contract, preferably to Real Madrid.
Gavin Ramejkis
44   Posted 24/02/2011 at 18:15:07

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David #42, I made the statement that the sale of Rodwell, or any other player, isn't a conspiracy, it's the only game BK knows and wants to play.
Tony I'Anson
45   Posted 24/02/2011 at 19:07:47

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Jay (#28) myself and other fellow Evertonians are still very much active behind the scenes, despite not posting any updates recently. With the expert help of Supporters Direct, we are looking at various ways of how a trust can "help to secure the future of Everton Football Club for the future generations of Evertonians".

There are many interesting options being investigated on a professional level and will be announced at the appropriate time for consideration. Sorry for any delays and for being vague, but there's no point telling half a story at this stage.
Max Main
46   Posted 24/02/2011 at 19:09:12

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Alright Gavin, well why don't you give us a list of all those players Kenwright has sold behind Moyes's back, or without his blessing.

1.
2.
3.
etc...
Robert Daniels
47   Posted 24/02/2011 at 19:54:21

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It does appear that someone is trying to unsettle young Jack, and Felli's dad keeps coming out with "the big clubs are watching" shite.

But the buck stops with Kenwright and Moyes, both of these are in a position to stop either player from leaving.

Firstly Moyes, if he has been building a team for 9 years, and now has players of the calibre of Jack and Felli, and the chairman is trying to sell them, well, he needs to get a pair of bollocks and turn against him, by publicly coming out and saying something about the disgraceful actions of a board, who have failed to back him.

Secondly Kenwright, if you think that you will get away with selling these players, well think again, you're already on thin ice, the "Boys Pen" crap is wearing thin with most fans now, so sell them at your peril!
Oliver Molloy
48   Posted 24/02/2011 at 20:26:27

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Richard @ 10
Arteta, Bily, Heitinga & Yak worth £30million!!! Could you break that down for me..... It would be great if you were right, but I don't think so.

Gavin @ 26
Disagree; these days the player has the power... if a player's mind is made up and he wants to go, all any club can do is hope to get the best price.
Keith Webley
49   Posted 24/02/2011 at 21:14:02

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It's been a long time since I posted on Toffeeweb having become totally disillusioned with modern football in general and in particular, the shambles that our once great club has degenerated into.

A question for Tony l'Anson. What can Trust Everton etc. do if the current incumbents want nothing to do with you?

This is not intended as defeatist ? just wondered how you could effect much needed change in such a situation.
Gavin Ramejkis
50   Posted 24/02/2011 at 21:30:27

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Max, are you trying to tell us that the squad right now with the loanees out to keep the administrators at bay is down to DM and in fact he is the real power behind the club and maybe he is the silent Director?

Pienaar ? DM said he didn't want him to leave before the season ended... erm, gone;

Yakubu ? loaned out with no replacement;

Yobo ? loaned out with no replacement;

Vaughan ? loaned out with no replacement;

Gosling ? you telling me it was DM that failed to get a written offer of a contract to him?

Oliver, using your analogy, the agents have the power but it's up to the owners of their contracts, which would be the chairman, to have the final say. They get shut early as it's commercial suicide to lose a company asset that cost millions for nowt (unless you are BK and not actually give a player a contract in writing).
Gavin Ramejkis
51   Posted 24/02/2011 at 21:36:49

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Tony, have you had anyone asking about the trust setup that have reservations about working with the current board but would be willing if it was a new one?
David Price
52   Posted 24/02/2011 at 21:34:35

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Will we sell Rodwell? Don't know... Will Utd bid for him? probably.

Facts are SAF needs a replacement for Scholes, Carrick, Anderson and Hargreaves. All centre-midfield and for various reasons, on their way out.

Ian Smitham
53   Posted 24/02/2011 at 23:06:45

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Gavin #50: "silent director" ? Can you expand on your comment/thinking??
Tony I'Anson
54   Posted 24/02/2011 at 23:17:33

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Keith(49) Supporters Trusts operate independently of football clubs and their level of influence is determined partly by the number of members they represent. But as you say, the Club are under no obligation to listen.

Gavin(51) we anticipate and hope that Trust Everton will be around for many generations to come and that will involve working with whoever the custodians of the time happen to be. I would urge anyone to do a Google about supporters trusts in general to see what they can achieve.
Jay Harris
55   Posted 25/02/2011 at 02:18:54

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Gav,
yes me.

I wouldnt trust BK with a kid's lucky bag despite Dick and Doddy's constant admiration of him.
Peter Laing
56   Posted 25/02/2011 at 17:13:47

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I agree with the sentiment of raising the white flag if Rodwell is sold to Manchester United or any other potential suitor. Comments such as his 'stock is relatively low' contradict the notion of the fact that he is obviously considered to be a rising star with huge potential given the interest from Manchester United in the first place.

I also find it incredulous the attitude of the likes of Richard Dodd who readily accept that we are a selling club. Manchester United have a policy of buying young, for the future and ideally English born players. How are we ever to begin to challenge by hawking our most talented and young prospects just to stay afloat until the next financial tsunami? If Rodwell leaves, it will be for exactly the same reason as Rooney and we might as well accept that we are finished as a top-flight club.

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