I have said several times on here and argue with my best friend regularly that Arteta is not a central midfield player. Sure, he can do a job there on occasion but, for me, he has always been far more effective as a player and as an effect on the team as a winger.
Two and three seasons ago, he would swagger around the flanks, linking up with the full backs, midfield and the attacker(s). He would also not only beat people but make them look stupid and, whenever there were no options available, he would usually come away with a free kick by cleverly drawing a foul (sometimes going down to easily). He was also consistently one of the best performers in the league.
In doing this, he took responsibility, he took pressure of less-able players and he played with a real swagger.
I was delighted to see him play out wide yesterday and for me he should never play in the middle for Everton again.
James Cadwaladr, Posted 06/03/2011 at 09:35:11
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1 Posted 06/03/2011 at 15:52:01
2 Posted 06/03/2011 at 15:50:56
I think Bily needs to be given a role behind the strikers, I personally think he could make a contribution there. Beckford will progress next season, of that I am sure... although only in a 4-4-2. With Saha not able to string 3 or 4 games together, it looks like we need a good hold-up striker... let's get the dosh for fatty Yak (£?)... let Vaughan go (lucky million)... actually pay someone to take that waste of skin Victor off our hands.
I will be glad when this season ends, but I am not all doom and gloom already about next season; incredibly, we will still finish 6th or 7th this season.
3 Posted 06/03/2011 at 16:16:24
But who do you play in CM? Seems Moyes is comfortable playing 4-4-2, so assuming Seamus is on the right wing and Arteta on the left, who plays centrally? Presumably Moyes would play Fellaini and Rodwell ideally, but obviously Fellaini's out, so that leaves Rodwell (who I'm very much yet to be convinced by) and...
a) Neville ? okay as a stop gap but not a permanent CM.
b) Osman ? I am actually a fan of Osman but not sure about him being one of two in a 4-4-2. Pretty lightweight midfield.
c) Heitinga ? garbage in midfield. Work shy, lazy passes, offers nothing.
d) Bilyaletdinov ? not good enough.
Feel like I've forgotten someone....
Anyway, my point is that to get Arteta back out on the wing, we'd probably be stuck with 4-5-1 and a central midfield of Rodwell, Neville and Osman. Which doesn't exactly turn me on.
4 Posted 06/03/2011 at 16:39:34
I feel though he is so technically good, he can play across midfield. I remember the 07-08 season where he played wide right with Ossie and Carsley in the middle and Pienaar out left, he was very effective then too. Though I feel with a proper holding midfielder, Arteta could dominate games in the middle of the park like he did in 08-09.
I would love us to sign that Tiote lad from Newcastle, he does the perfect holding role and would allow Arteta to run the midfield. If he was to play wide left the rest of the season, though, I would be more than happy with that, providing Moyes sticks to the two up top so he can link with them like he did yesterday.
I just wonder, though how good he would be now if he hadn't've got that injury because he was the best central midfielder in the country and that point, in my opinion. COYB!!
5 Posted 06/03/2011 at 17:06:12
6 Posted 06/03/2011 at 17:29:02
That is if we will continue to play 442.
7 Posted 06/03/2011 at 18:32:46
8 Posted 06/03/2011 at 18:34:11
9 Posted 06/03/2011 at 19:38:31
10 Posted 06/03/2011 at 19:58:13
11 Posted 06/03/2011 at 20:01:50
This could well be to his advantage, also, taking some of the defensive responsibilities away from him and giving him chance to release his more creative side.
12 Posted 06/03/2011 at 21:09:44
Osman has been decent recently too... even against Reading he had our only worthwhile effort; play him wide right and it opens up the middle for Rodwell, Neville, Cahill, even Bily!!
But please not the embarressment that is Heitinga. He was terrible in defence recently and is even worse in midfield... if we get £6M for him in the summer, it will be a masterstroke by Moyes, a bit like the £24M for Lescott and was it £9M for AJ?
How can Anichibie still be at the club with a new contract when Yakubu is out on loan? It just does not make any sense! The Yak must have seriously pissed Moyes off, but we never know do we? We have to guess and still be expected to turn up each game and pay our hard earned....
But we just sit there and take it, on Tuesday when pea-hearted Vic was sitting on the turf yet again, feigning injury, Goodison was silent, a crowd rendition of "feed the Yak" would have let the two twats in charge what we really think.
13 Posted 06/03/2011 at 21:46:02
14 Posted 06/03/2011 at 22:46:01
Arteta was outstanding on Saturday and if Neville is out for Wednesday, then Moyes must resist from putting Arteta back in there, maybe bring Osman across and Coleman back to the right.
15 Posted 07/03/2011 at 01:15:04
And then the season he was moved to CM he was even better than on the wings and was amazing before an injury put him out for the rest of the season.
Since he's come back, he's been out of form in CM so if he performs better on the wing then put him there until his confidence / form is back and we have other, better options.
16 Posted 07/03/2011 at 07:57:52
The way I look at it there are a few types of central midfielder:
1. The defensive holding midfielder, eg, Carsley, Makele, Mascherano. Their job is to shield the back four and break up attacks. Managers in England loved to convert a centre-half to this position for a while but that seems to have gone out of style.
2. The deep lying playmakers, eg, Arteta, Xavi, Redondo, Scholes (as he got older). Their job is to set the pace of the entire game, make the team tick and provide all of the creative influence from the middle. Rare in England because of the kick-and-rush footbally normally played by most teams.
3. The attacking midfielder, eg, Cahill, Lampard, Gerrard, Iniesta, Ozil, Liam Brady. Their job is to support the strikers and forget defending for the most part. They can only be afforded if you have type 1 to defend or play a 5-man midfield.
4. The box-to-box midfielder, eg, Fellaini, Essien, Roy Keane, Patrick Viera (when he was younger). Their job is to do everything, like gold dust. I would play two of these every time if I was a manager.
17 Posted 07/03/2011 at 08:09:35
18 Posted 07/03/2011 at 09:09:37
With the confidence of having a solid defensive midfield player beside him, this allows him a free role, if you will, to sit ahead of the midfield. This will then allow him to exploit space and, If needs be, move into the wings and show us glimpses of Spanish magic.
It's no coincidence that he's started to perform better since Moyes came out saying he needs to shoulder less responsibility and play his own game.
19 Posted 07/03/2011 at 12:47:27
Arteta is never going to get the opportunity to play centre-mid for Spain with the likes of Fabregas, Iniesta and Xavi dominating those positions. With a bit more protection from the aforementioned holding player, Arteta may thrive in centre-mid ? until that player is acquired then, for me, keep him at left-midfield.
I do feel however though that Mikel may have stipulated to Moyes in his contract extension that he wants to play central midfield and that is his preference.
20 Posted 07/03/2011 at 13:58:16
21 Posted 07/03/2011 at 18:06:21
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