Skip to Main Content
Members:   Log In Sign Up
The Mail Bag

What a Surprise its Hyde!

Comments (51)

Anyone surprised we didn?t get the 3 points? No!!! You knew exactly how Brum were going to play against us, losing Arteta so early didn?t help (Knowing our luck his seasons over) but even without him we should be beating these teams comfortably.

I thought Heitinga played a lot better than he did against Newcastle and what a sweet strike for the goal, but it is worrying to think we simply can?t break teams down that come to defend. It has got to be a coaching/tactical issue; but what?s worse is we seemed to be happy with a point which really takes the piss.

That takes it to 13 draws this season, total disgrace when you know that well over half should have been wins. On top of that, we?ve now got a midfield full of defenders with only Osman a true ball playing midfielder & if he gets injured god help us.

Season ticket price freeze... Season ticket exodus more like!

Alex Buckley, Huyton     Posted 09/03/2011 at 22:53:44

back Return to the Mail Bag


Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer

Michael Kenrick
1   Posted 09/03/2011 at 23:53:33

Report abuse

"If Osman gets injured, God help us"

Coffee... keyboard!!! ARRRGGGGH!
Alex Thomas
2   Posted 10/03/2011 at 00:09:51

Report abuse

Are we a big club with big expectations anymore? Or do we now just hope to beat Birmingham at home, and shrug our shoulders when we fail?

Cos I'm feeling a bit like the latter and starting to realise that, at 40 years old, and an Evertonian my whole life, this is about my lot, and I will never ever again enjoy a successful team when we are the biggest and the best.

I suppose sholud be grateful that at least I had that feeling for while in the 80s...

Stephen Leary
3   Posted 10/03/2011 at 00:55:39

Report abuse

I'm 23... I don't really remember 1995. The best success I have seen was us qualifying for Europe and getting to a Cup Final. But I know from my dad and watching the DVDs what we should expect, and that is to beat shite teams like Brum at home.

Again, it's Moyes and his failure to change the tactics. Bringing on Vic for becks and keeping it the same really isn't doing anything. Heitinga should've gone off after 60 mins for Baxter, and Vic on then for Beckford. Crap.

Stephen Sullivan
4   Posted 10/03/2011 at 00:57:31

Report abuse

Cheer up folks. You all need to think positive about Everton's future?

If a person from Clitheroe is a Clit Hero and an anogram of David Ginola is Vagina Dildo then anything is possible? Think outside the box (and shoot occasionally to while your at it).

The future of Everton is so bright ? how about we all attend Everton's next game wearing shades?

Paul Holmes
5   Posted 10/03/2011 at 01:35:54

Report abuse

Was our £15 million player Jack Rodwell playing? If he's that anonymous against a team like Birmingham, then let's cash in!
James Flynn
6   Posted 10/03/2011 at 02:34:01

Report abuse

Same as almost every other draw; no predators. Jesus, if we had just one, we'd be right up where so many of us (legitimately) hoped for prior to the season opening. 29 games with 13 draw.

Gavin Ramejkis
7   Posted 10/03/2011 at 07:48:45

Report abuse

As soon as Birmingham scored I knew we would be getting a draw, shite game and really odd formation second half; who the fuck told Saha to go out on the wing???

Arteta injury drove home how small the squad really is, its not a case of what if x gets injured now more like who the hell do we have when x gets injured

Hibbert made some great tackles but he and Coleman confused each other going forward, Baines and Osman partnership actually looked decent, did someone tell Rodwell he was a crab last night as all he seemed to do was go bleeding sideways, Beckford and Saha way too far from each other for the long balls hoofed to them over and over again to be of any use. Just wished I would have put money on the draw at 3/1 was a dead cert at least I could have come away with bigger pockets as a consolation.
Laurie Hartley
8   Posted 10/03/2011 at 08:42:03

Report abuse

So Michael if, God forbid, Osman does get injured, who would play in midfield? Or, better still, what does your best team from the current list of available players look like?
James Hollister
9   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:14:54

Report abuse

Funny thing is, they where playing for their Premier League survival, while we arrogantly strode around the pitch huffing and puffing with nothing up top.

It's games like this, if we keep it up, that's going to condemn us to go down, if it isn't fixed.

Some reckon 42 points will be enough, the problem is, 8 points seems like another season away, when we produce fair like last night. I mean we could have stayed on that pitch and played for 24 hours and still not scored again.

Nice goal by Johnny though, superbly taken.
James Hollister
10   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:17:26

Report abuse

Addtion to the above post (6 points to 42) adding 2 points to give us a total of 44 which I believe is what we'll need to survive this season.

The bottom of the table is just too hard to call, and I cannot believe with just 10 games to go we are down there with an embarrassing 36 points!
Karl Meighan
11   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:14:46

Report abuse

It probably says how average we are when Osman has stuck out for the last 3 or 4 games as are best player. What pisses me off is the manager comes out and says we have played well in our last 3 games? Newcastle game we played well Sunderland first half (as they were shite) and I won't insult people in naming the other game as Moyes would.

There is at least 12 shite and average teams in the Premier League with us being amongst them. The real insult is that money that should have been given to Pienaar was used to give a nice contract to Anichebe ? what does it say about his management skills when one of your two creative players are let go without any replacement?

The RS game apart, and first half against Man Utd, that last night was the usual stodgy performance lacking in craft, guile and quality that we have produced all season, that tells me (but obviously not Moyes) that we are a very average side in need of 4 or 5 first team players at least.

For the "we have no money" brigade, Reading had not 1 but 2 strikers both better than Anichebe, who Moyes sees as our future... so it shouldn't be that hard to find players with basic footballing skills that lots of are players lack.

Chris Keightley
12   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:40:49

Report abuse

44 points should comfortably keep you up, I think we are five points from safety with 9 to play ? next two at home ? 4 points from those two games with 1 point needed from 7 games ? even we can manage that!!
Kunal Desai
13   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:56:48

Report abuse

It's unbelievable how many cheap goals Everton seem to give away notably at Goodison. We get hit on shitty counter-attacks by Wolves/Bolton when giving the ball away cheaply. Three of West Brom's goals were soft as were both the West Ham goals.

Yet on the other hand we have to carve out goals either with Baines's precise executions of free-kicks, or through Coleman's run or decent deliveries into the box for Cahill to head in. Why can't teams give us cheap goals to score? As soon as Birmingham went one-nil up, I knew we wouldn't win.

Alex Buckley
14   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:39:58

Report abuse

What?s happened to Gueye? He's been nowhere near the reserves & now Mustafi is getting the nod before him.

That?s 3 centre half's on the pitch & 2 on the bench, surely we need all the attacking options we get on the bench? Teased with the Secret Weapon tag, sounds like either something?s happened behind the scenes, he?s injured, or they?ve loaned him out without even bothering to tell us.
Andrew Laird
15   Posted 10/03/2011 at 10:31:49

Report abuse

Alex, I think Gueye is injured. At least I hope he is as there is no other explanation as to why he has not been in the squad for the last few games.

If you count Hibbert as a makeshift CB and Rodwell who we are told will become one in the future and Heitinga (surely one of these 3 would be put in there if Jags or Distin were injured before any of the young lads) that's 5 potential CBs on the pitch, which makes you wonder even more why there were another 2 on the bench.

And we wonder why we can't score goals... we should at least be keeping them out, FFS!
Dave Wilson
16   Posted 10/03/2011 at 09:56:30

Report abuse

Some panic merchants on here today. 44 POINTS FOR SURVIVAL? Are all those teams below us going to suddenly put a run together? A bit difficult for ALL of them to do when they all have to play each other.

We have 27 points still to play for, we have to try to get them all; we won't of course, but we'll get a sight more than some are saying.

Moyes is often accused of being ultra negative, he`s not even in the same post code as some of his accusers.
Richard Dodd
17   Posted 10/03/2011 at 10:45:22

Report abuse

Can`t understand why Michael takes every opportunity to disparage Ossie. He is a model professional with not a little skill and posesses a quality so lacking in many players in the Prem ? vision! Like every other player, he has his off-days but so do the rest, without comment from our illustrious Editor.

Last night Leon put in a shift and a half, just as he did on Saturday. Please don`t dismiss the lad as a no-mark!

Jonathan Astles
18   Posted 10/03/2011 at 10:54:13

Report abuse

Unfortunately, as we limp, literally, toward the finishing line, Ossie is all we have creatively at the moment (Baines aside). Pienaar, Arteta, Fellaini (intelligent in possession) all out/gone.

Rodwell seems to be playing very much within himself, through confidence or tactics it?s debatable; however he is still a young player making his way in the game and will have ups and downs, make mistakes and form will fluctuate. But he has way more than he?s showing, he?s got talent to burn and when he eventually leave s(apologies but he will in the next 2 years max), he will show it.

Saha seems to be dropping deeper and sometimes wider, searching for possession; in my opinion, the age and injuries have stacked up and he?s lost the ability to turn defenders so can?t get in behind anymore really. When he plays as the lead striker with Cahill off him, we just don?t trouble teams, at all. When Beckford plays, he plays on the shoulder of defenders, Saha therefore drops off. Let?s be honest, Saha is on the finish; we may get another useful season as a squad player, but he is essentially living off reputation.

The squad is completely unbalanced and we need a big rethink on the balance of the midfield and the strikers at the club. If we even want to think about consistent European qualification, starting with the finishing 5th/6th and building it up, playing twice a week, Ossie is a genuine, honest squad player. That?s where we were progressing to 18 months ago, however through a combination of lack of dollar and Moyes having possibly his worst spell in charge for about 6 years (he?s got little right for months), we've blown it and we are where we are, midtable.

Ossie is the creative hub till season end!!! All keyed up?! Let?s just get this season done and get as many points as we can, it?s all about next season already.

Mark Murphy
19   Posted 10/03/2011 at 11:17:48

Report abuse

Richard Dodd #17 ;o)

Hear, hear ? I feel I may be in the minority here but I agree! I've been an Evertonian for 40 years and I've seen some scapegoats both fairly and unfairly targetted by our fans but I've never understood this irrational dislike, almost hatred, for Ossie. He gives much more than most of our fans realise!

We got a poor result last night, pretty understandable given Arteta's injury and the loss of Fellaini and Pienaar, and Bily's strange attitude when given a chance but Osman put in more than a shift and we WOULD miss him if he gets injured.

And what's more, whenever I am at the match, I hear nothing but positive comments about Ossie from those around me.

I dont agree with some of your blind faith and rosy optimism for the future and well being of our club (but I will never knock you for it!) but in this instance I'm with you!

Mike Gray
20   Posted 10/03/2011 at 11:29:34

Report abuse

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, as I probably am, but hasn't it been getting on for two years since Everton came back from going a goal down and actually winning a Premier League game.
Richard Dodd
21   Posted 10/03/2011 at 10:59:33

Report abuse

On another point, I believe we shall chalk up 13 pts from our last 9 games, thus finishing on 50. This will not be enough to get back into Europe but will see a comfortable top half place ? more than we could have expected until recently.
Dave Wilson
22   Posted 10/03/2011 at 11:46:42

Report abuse

Twice in the past four weeks, Mike?
Jonathan Astles
23   Posted 10/03/2011 at 11:44:26

Report abuse

Mark, I reckon people have a go at Ossie probably just cos he's been around so long, he's over familiar, people just get fed up, so he gets the brunt. Bit like with Moyes, people (some) just get fed up and want rid, bored need a new face.

I agree with the virtues you and Doddy have listed and would have him as a squad player pushing for Europe all day. However, I think he is symptomatic of our limitations as a team and a club, which means a very similar but more talented and equally hard working player who jumped ship was playing Champions League against AC Milan last night. And that's the frustration which Ossie, wrongly, bears the brunt of.

Tommy Coleman
24   Posted 10/03/2011 at 11:48:04

Report abuse

50 points, Woo!

Maybe we can start creating medals and trophies if we reach 50 points, or win 3 games on the trot or finish in the top 10. We could then clear out all those League titles, FA Cup wins etc in the trophy cabinet.
Alex Buckley
25   Posted 10/03/2011 at 10:43:04

Report abuse

What position did Moyes play? CB by any chance.

Apparently we can't replace Arteta's creativity, well that's probably cause we've nothing else creative in the squad now Pienaar has gone (how we didn't force Nico into the deal was typically pathetic).

Our squad has six recognised midfielders and two academy lads (one out on loan & one with a broken leg) & then we?ve got nine strikers on the books, you wouldn?t know it being one of the main areas we need investment (& the fact four of them are out on loan).

The whole balance of the squad is so bad, it's embarrassing.
Kunal Desai
26   Posted 10/03/2011 at 12:01:05

Report abuse

48-50 points is about right; a 9th place finish, possibly 8th.
Craig Taylor
27   Posted 10/03/2011 at 12:31:36

Report abuse

Mike how about coming from 1 down on Saturday!

I think we have quite a good record actually, but not looked into it.
Trevor Lynes
28   Posted 10/03/2011 at 12:29:11

Report abuse

At the very start of the season, I said that our squad was nowhere near as strong as DM made out. We have had no cover for Baines since Lescott went... if he gets injured what then??? We LOST Gosling, sold Pienaar without replacement and let SIX players out on loan. This has been a season-long cost-cutting exercise. BK MUST be a Tory!!

Our squad is the most threadbare of every team in the Premier League apart from maybe Blackpool. We are playing utility systems where its make do and mend. Players doing jobs out of position and a bench which is really weak. I still reckon we are not out of the woods and 42 points are needed for comparative safety.

Felli out for season, Arteta maybe the same, Cahill out until the end of this month at least... these are facts not pessimism.

Norman Merrill
29   Posted 10/03/2011 at 12:46:50

Report abuse

Alex, I am glad you mentioned the season tickets issue, I am sure all Blues cannot wait for April 1st!!!!!

As for the game, best forgotten like many this season.

Chris Perry
30   Posted 10/03/2011 at 12:50:24

Report abuse

Richard Dodd. Not ony do you defend Kenwright, but Osman. I am sure you probably defend Gadaffi and like of Mugabe. Osman, Hibbert are shite always have been always will be.
Noel Lynam
31   Posted 10/03/2011 at 13:14:08

Report abuse

Dicky Dodd@ 17: Well said. Osman has been one of our better performers of late. And I am hardly his greatest fan.

Stephen Leary@ 3: Do you think fans of say, Chelsea think they should be beating "shite teams" like Everton at home? Get a grip. Just because we support Everton does not mean we have a divine right to beat so-called lesser clubs. If it worked that way, we'd all make millions off the bookies predicting results each Saturday.
Karl Meighan
32   Posted 10/03/2011 at 13:00:46

Report abuse

Dave Wilson, you may call us negative... I would say we are realists, 32 years of mostly being let down and not one iota surprised at last night's result, the club rarely have done anything to make me feel otherwise.

Being positive will not win any team football matches: quality players with a little guile, craft and vision may get the job done but, given these are words Moyes has little understanding of, it's unlikely we will ever see these qualities from a Everton team managed by Moyes.

For me, it's quite simple: if we do not keep clean sheets (which we rarely do), we will not win many games, this is how it's always been under Moyes and it's how it will stay, imo.

Karl Meighan
33   Posted 10/03/2011 at 13:27:40

Report abuse

Noel Lynam @30

Did you expect us to beat Birmingham at Goodison? We don't have a divine right to beat anybody but it should take more than the very basic tactic of getting men behind the ball for teams like Birmingham, Wolves, Wigan, West Brom, West Ham, Bolton and Newcastle to get a result at Goodison.

Moyes talks of Europe and the top 6 which is insulting, he is obviously blinded by shite and deluded which is a big worry. His comments regarding Osman, who is a fine footballer but lacks the strength and pace to ever be top top quality, and Hibbert, who gives his all but is a Championship player, should concern anybody and everybody who wants to see the club challenging for honours and Champions League places. Think mid-table then don't ever expect to go beyond it.

Gavin Ramejkis
34   Posted 10/03/2011 at 14:03:31

Report abuse

Karl, you have a great point which was done to death on the radio phone in last night after the game, apart from my swearing at the car radio when some idiot said players are paid enough to play in any position ? I've never seen Drogba play in goal for Chelsea or Tim Howard up front for us.

Someone had mentioned that we simply couldn't breakdown Birmingham's five across the middle. Well DM gets £65k a week and surely he has a TV, he could even watch MotD and see how Brum play and know what he needs to do to play against a team playing 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 or whatever variation of each, this is bread and butter management ? not rocket science, surely?

David Price
35   Posted 10/03/2011 at 14:09:44

Report abuse

Missing the point around Osman guys, thought the editors comments were hilarious. Come on, who would have thought we'd see that line in an article. "If Osman get's injured, god help us".

The joke was to amplify the dire straits we now have in team selection.
But fair go, Osman has been terrific these last few games, no doubt there.

Gavin Ramejkis
36   Posted 10/03/2011 at 14:32:59

Report abuse

Just spotted this on the web, I thought Walton looked to be a bit lost trying to book Mutch last night:-

Mark Murphy
37   Posted 10/03/2011 at 14:55:49

Report abuse

Noel #30

"Do you think fans of say, Chelsea think they should be beating "shite teams" like Everton at home?"

Yes, they do! I live amongst them and to a man they swear we are the luckiest team they play against as they always batter us but the ref protects us! Honest!

Gavi #33

I've never seen Drogba play in goal for Chelsea or Tim Howard up front for us. I see your point but its weakened by using those extremes! Heitinga should be able to play back 4 or midfield. Bily should be able to play wide or centre BUT much beyond that is unreasonable. I'd have said Beckford can't play centre mid or Jags can't play wide and the point would probably be made clearer.

All said though ? IF Arteta had stayed on then YES, I would expect us to beat "the likes of Birmingham" ie ? a bottom three side! Once Arteta went off then I don't even blame Moyes for not having the tactical genius to break them down. A bad result but not a disaster.
Peter Fearon
38   Posted 10/03/2011 at 15:02:17

Report abuse

I remember when people were outraged because Osman was not being given a consistent run in the first team. I've had some problems with his contribution in the past but lately he seems to have blossomed. That's what we need ? players picking up their game.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of Anichebe who seems content to come on, contribute less than zero, pick up his pay and pretend he's a professional footballer in the most competitive league on the planet. If anyone offers to take him off our hands, we should bite off their arm at the elbow.

Alex Buckley
39   Posted 10/03/2011 at 15:22:57

Report abuse

The Osman line was mean to highlight how bad things have got, yes the guy wouldn?t get in my starting 11 if we had no injuries, but he?s definitely underrated and now there?s no doubt he is now our key player for creativity on the pitch & the best little Evertonian we know.
Stephen Leary
40   Posted 10/03/2011 at 15:40:24

Report abuse

Noel @30, yes I think Chelsea fans would say that yes. My case in point is we where playing a team that was18th in the Prem at home. We all knew they would come and park the bus which they did apart from a 5-min spell when they scored. We knew what to expect but our inept manager again can't find a way of breaking teams down who come and park the bus. We have not won a home came this season in which we have fallen behind, it's pathetic really.
Gavin Ramejkis
41   Posted 10/03/2011 at 16:21:31

Report abuse

Mark #36, the reason Osman usually gets battered on here is that DM has played him as a winger for years and he isn't one. Playing players out of position should be through extreme circumstances such as a load of injuries ? not through lack of squad players or a stubborn reluctance to give up something that fails more times than not. Bily is a good example of this and looks piss poor on the wing as he isn't a winger either. Slating a player for a poor performance when out of position isn't fair.
Alex Buckley
42   Posted 10/03/2011 at 17:41:17

Report abuse

Gavin ? totally agree, play Bily through the middle, give him a real chance and then judge him. As things stand we need him full of confidence, not the shadow of the player we bought from Russia.
Brian Waring
43   Posted 10/03/2011 at 19:36:22

Report abuse

I've already got my order in for the Magic 50 DVD.
Alex Winstanley
44   Posted 10/03/2011 at 20:06:47

Report abuse

5 more points should do it, then I can forget about this fuckin awful season....... ! I have seriously had enough now.... August can't come slow enough!
Karl Meighan
45   Posted 11/03/2011 at 01:00:16

Report abuse

Mark Murphy @36 ? I would expect them arrogant Johnny-come-lately cunts to say that but you should remind the selective memory fuckers that they were watching Doug Rougvie and Mickey Droy behind a electric fence were binoculars were needed to see the pitch not that long ago and the shed was a shed straight from farmer Jackson's barn and singing One Man Went to Mow until 12 o'clock at night.

Whilst you're there, tell them history starts before 1990. Chelsea were more famous for having a greyhound track around the pitch than playing football until recently.

Jamie Sweet
46   Posted 11/03/2011 at 02:37:00

Report abuse

This is what happens when you have a manager whose first priority is not to get beaten. Moyes must be over the moon with his 13 draws!

The annoying thing is ? if you go all out for victory ? you only have to turn 5 of those 13 draws into victories, and lose the rest to be better off points-wise. Considering the shite teams we've drawn against, I'm pretty sure we could have achieved this by being more adventurous.

If Moyes was the manager of Blackpool, they would probably have about 9 points (all draws) and scored less than 20 goals.

Jamie Crowley
47   Posted 11/03/2011 at 01:40:04

Report abuse

Gavin @ 39 -

Hear! Hear!

This injury situation... could it be we play Bily and Osman in the middle and watch them perform admirably ? in their proper positions??!!

Guarantee Bily, if played in the middle behind the striker(s) will get plaudits post-game.
Mark Stone
48   Posted 11/03/2011 at 08:54:00

Report abuse

37 points James, but who is counting?
Noel Lynam
49   Posted 11/03/2011 at 12:59:59

Report abuse

Stephen Leary @ 40 "We have not won a home game this season in which we have fallen behind, it's pathetic really"

Yes we have. Blackpool led 3-2. We beat them 5-3.
Tony J Williams
50   Posted 11/03/2011 at 13:38:55

Report abuse

Jamie, playing Devil's Advocate, we could also be 13 points worse off if we went for it and they broke on the counter and scored against us.... which has happened often this season. We have been on the attack and the other side have broke from our corner/free kick and scored.

So we would be rock bottom with 24 points.

Karl Meighan
51   Posted 11/03/2011 at 16:30:08

Report abuse

Well one things for sure you wont see us breaking from a corner not with eleven back defending and we somehow still manage to concede a lot from corners. Moyes cannot be blamed for poor defending and basic errors. Blackpool maybe good to watch but they are naive and will concede plenty. We need to find the right balance with possibly the basics of keeping clean sheets being abandoned whilst looking for a formation that will produce goals a plenty which has not happened. Everton under Moyes rightly or wrongly had a reputation for being hard to break down and beat. The way things have been going this season cutting out the basic defending errors and conceding stupid goals would seem a way forward. The old saying concede no goals lose no games is still a benchmark as i reckon most here would have taken half a dozen 1-0 wins out of the 13 draws.

Add Your Comments

In order to post a comment to the MailBag, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.

Log in now

Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and MailBag submissions across the site.

© ToffeeWeb
Subscribe to The Athletic, Get 40% off

Bet on Everton and get a deposit bonus with bet365 at


We use cookies to enhance your experience on ToffeeWeb and to enable certain features. By using the website you are consenting to our use of cookies in accordance with our cookie policy.