I just wanted to raise a quick point after last night's game on our total inability to pass the ball since Steven Pienaar left the club. Instead of nice crisp short passing we seem to be adopting the long ball style or a 20-yard pass which is never going to reach its destination!
I really hope in the summer we can unearth another Pienaar otherwise we could be in for watching some very poor football! (Maybe I have just been watching Barcelona too much!!!!)
Steven Smith, Posted 10/03/2011 at 12:03:57
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 10/03/2011 at 14:39:50
The only thing we miss from Pienaar is his tracking back. I certainly don't miss his overly dramatic flings to the floor after every pass he makes; I was watching Spurs the other night and realised just how funny they are. We get that you're putting in a lot of effort Steven ? no need for the Hollywood launch all the time to prove it.
Looking at some of the Spurs comments after the games, he has come in for some heavy criticism. One fan questioned "what exactly is Pienaar good at?" and are bemused by his 75k a week wages. Most are calling for him to be used as a back-up to Krancjar and wondering where this high-scoring, pacey, neat-passing flair attacking midfielder is that played for Everton. Answer: he only ever existed in the minds of the journalists who never watch our games, Pienaar and of course his agent.
I must have been watching a different player to some, as three times out of four I thought his passing was awful unless it was a one-two with Baines. And looking at Baines since Pienaar left, I think I know who's talent was behind most of that movement. Thinking about it, I barely saw a Spurs player pass to Pienaar all night... Not that he gives a shit; he's playing Champions League football in the San Siro and we're failing to beat the likes of Reading and Birmingham at home!
2 Posted 10/03/2011 at 14:26:04
To think Anichebe was given a nice 4-year contract and Pienaar could have been given that money and Anichebe ushered out the door with the feel of Moyes left foot on his arse leaves a sour taste in the mouth. What did not make a lot of sense when Pienaar was still at the club was that, although it was obvious that him and Baines were by far are biggest threat, Moyes often used to switch Pienaar to the right hand side.
Needed more than a Pienaar-type player is a midfielder from central areas who will commit the opponents and have the confidence and ability to beat a man and advance into the penalty area with the ball. If Fellaini or Heitinga are playing the defensive midfield role, then the first thought of the other central midfielder should be to go past the first man and attack the 18-yard box.
Pienaar probably played his best football (when Arteta was injured) from a slightly more central role although he consistently played well in a Everton shirt. People gave little thought to how strong Pienaar was but he was hardly ever shrugged off the ball and was not afraid to put his foot in a challenge.
3 Posted 10/03/2011 at 15:07:36
I do miss Cahill though.
And we will miss Fellaini and Arteta.
Pienaar to me never made a big enough difference. We got good service out of him but he's not the big star he thinks he is.
4 Posted 10/03/2011 at 15:34:21
Baines is definitely our Player of the Season & should be kept sweet ? I can't remember the last time he didn't play!
5 Posted 10/03/2011 at 15:53:08
I have to say, though, I wanted to leave last night in the first half ? I am so fed up with this season and have felt like that since September.
6 Posted 10/03/2011 at 16:42:50
I?d be amazed if he?s there next season, but no doubt ?Arry will move him on for a tidy sum...
7 Posted 10/03/2011 at 16:38:54
Our players pass it out wide and either stay where they were, or just jog inside, right into the heart of the defense where they are easily marked or a pass toward them is immediately pressured. This results in the all too common pass backward. It's ridiculous. And before anyone blames Moyes, usually you can hear him screaming at his player to get wide and move.
That is what we miss about Pienaar, he would work with Baines out left and always either send him wide or provide Baines an option out wide. Pienaar moved, intelligently. That is why Redknapp wanted him and saw him as a good fit with his Spurs side. Because that is exactly how Spurs play, pass and move, with more cutting edge than Arsenal who overpass. And it's also one of the major downfalls with how Chelsea play, far too narrow, much like us.
8 Posted 10/03/2011 at 16:41:09
Louis and Beckford shoot with their stronger foot? No, turn on your weaker side every time! Our play last night wasn't too bad but for this, and obviously losing Arteta's extra bit of guile along with the ability to beat a man.
9 Posted 10/03/2011 at 16:47:37
10 Posted 10/03/2011 at 17:15:08
That was our strongest midfield at the start of the season. Soon as Arteta went off last night it was obvious we missed all four.
11 Posted 10/03/2011 at 17:20:37
12 Posted 10/03/2011 at 18:33:28
13 Posted 10/03/2011 at 18:48:45
A miserable season is all but over and compounded now by Areteta's injury. Time for Moyes to play some new boys in readiness for next season as we sure as hell will not sign anyone for cash. What do we have to lose, after all the present players have been given every chance?
Trouble is, Moyes seems too stubborn to play the likes of Duffy, Baxter, Gueye etc but now is an opportune time to give them a fair run ? and I don't mean 5 minutes at the end of a game.
14 Posted 10/03/2011 at 19:08:42
15 Posted 10/03/2011 at 19:05:03
I find it quite amazing that he, once again, did not score from the passes he got. He just makes everything look so bleeding difficult. With the limited talent that Beckford obviously has, I would be more pissed off if he was dropped before Saha.
16 Posted 10/03/2011 at 19:31:56
Maybe the reason why Pienaar is below par, is because he hasn't 'SETTLED' into his new team yet.
17 Posted 10/03/2011 at 19:43:34
He did work well with Bainsey, but if we had got Krancjar as part of the deal I would have been sending 'Awwy a Thank You card.
18 Posted 10/03/2011 at 19:47:08
Whoever said, once we get the ball to a player he is isolated and cannot pass a simple ball. This is true but I feel we also don't have players with the skill to take a man on and beat him, thus opening up space and thus having the extra split second to look up and think. In their heyday, guys like Gazza, Dennis Law, Kinkladze and others all could take a man on and beat him. This used to be the way at Goodison. Sadly not anymore.
As I've said on countless occasions, we need to sign in the summer either Matt Jarvis or Matty Etherington to work with Baines on the left. Both geezers have pace and can beat a man both can cross a ball, and both know where the net is.
Until we get these types of lads in the side, we will always be left floundering amongst the Stokes, Boltons and if we're not careful, the Burton Albions.
19 Posted 10/03/2011 at 20:03:28
20 Posted 10/03/2011 at 20:10:22
21 Posted 10/03/2011 at 20:33:41
22 Posted 10/03/2011 at 21:20:34
Though if we keep selling our best players the outcome is inevitable. Our squad is seriously lacking quality and we need investment this summer or we face more of the same drivel we were served last night.
23 Posted 10/03/2011 at 23:11:17
24 Posted 10/03/2011 at 23:23:37
In the first half of this season, Seamus Coleman and Leighton Baines put Pienaar to shame. So us losing him has made little material difference. We still have Leighton which is the main thing!
Leighton Baines... you probably think this song is about you...
25 Posted 11/03/2011 at 00:35:06
26 Posted 11/03/2011 at 00:36:39
He has also been that poor he has started almost every game he has been available for, Bale may be injured Krancjar is a player who scored twice in two games to win Spurs six valuable points from the bench yet Redcrapp sees Pienaar as a better alternative. Also comparing Osman who has played well the last couple of games to Pienaar imo is absolutely laughable.
Mark Stone @14 fair comment, you cannot force anybody to stay but a better effort should have been made in the summer to keep him imo.
27 Posted 11/03/2011 at 01:11:16
That's the reason we couldn't give Pienaar a pay rise and keep him.
28 Posted 11/03/2011 at 04:28:51
We're very weak up top. Pretty plain to see.
What hurts is that we're not "billionnaires" away from challenging for the top. We're about 25-30 mil for challenging. What if we project Van Nistelrooy's fee to ManU of 19 mil to about that 25-30 mil today. Where do you think we'd be if this team had him this season. At 37 points from 29 games? At zero balance goals?
The pain comes from knowing we ARE that close and there's no dough to get a predator. That's our problem. Not Pienaar leaving. I liked him. But in the general business of playing soccer, he was just another solid player in the EPL, nothing less but nothing more.
29 Posted 11/03/2011 at 07:48:35
As for Pienaar, he was a good player for us and he's better than what we've got now. No disrespect to Ossie but he wasn't the answer to the right-sided issue and he won't be the answer to the left-sided one either.
30 Posted 11/03/2011 at 10:56:21
He's a good worker and above average, but does not do enough in terms of goals etc to justify this type of wage.
It will all come crashing down with Spurs sooner rather than later... just watch and see.
31 Posted 11/03/2011 at 11:03:30
It reminds me of Kyle Naughton that time when we were all set to sign him and then they came in for him, and they didn't need him, he doesn't play for them, it feels like they do it just to stop Everton signing him. Only if we had that money to throw about on players we don't intend on playing!
It all boils down to Moyes not selling him in the summer though for good money for a replacement and letting his contract run down!
32 Posted 11/03/2011 at 12:22:14
We had no offers for Pienaar, hardly surprising after his no-show at the World Cup.
33 Posted 11/03/2011 at 13:19:52
I am sorry but I think that it is time that some of our very well paid sports people realised just how privileged they are and that they joined the real world. I doubt whether the effects of the recession would have had much effect upon Steven Pienaar. Yes Spurs offered him more but what we were offering him I doubt would have had him worrying about any household bills!!
Another fact that seems to have been ignored ? Steven Pienaar was good for Everton but Everton was good for Steven Pienaar. His career had stalled dramatically at Dortmund. At Everton, his career was revived ? a pity he did not seem to appreciate that. What makes it harder for me to accept in his attitude is the fact that he is a commited Christian. As a Christian myself I find it hard to defend his actions in all of this. I think that he has tarnished his reputation and has set a very poor example. Given that Everton helped to rescue his career, he showed very little if any acknowlegement of that.
34 Posted 11/03/2011 at 13:28:37
Here's a clue, the answer is somewhere between nil and zero?
Old Arry kept on saying he wanted him but didn't put a bid in until he knew he could get him for a song in January. It's hard to sell someone when no-one is buying.
I would prefer if he was still here but to be honest he didn't give us that much more apart from more free kicks when he dived.
35 Posted 11/03/2011 at 13:35:54
Doesn't quite explain getting twatted 4-0 by Fulham either.
36 Posted 11/03/2011 at 15:14:13
Similar situation with Gosling, we can't afford to let these players go on the cheap, the list goes on Yakubu, Saha etc and we're going to get a rubbish amount for Yobo too by loaning him out first... and Vaughan.
37 Posted 11/03/2011 at 15:53:09
He doesn't control the contract negotiations and if someone wanted to buy Pienaar it would have been leaked to the papers, because that's how the scumbags do their dealings now.
His agent was mouthing off from the second the season finished and when Pienaar has a mare at teh world cup he changed his tune a little trying to get a better deal from Everton, saying it had all been a misunderstanding. Why? Because no one came in for his client.
As already stated, you can't sell something if no one is buying.
Gosling was shite, Admin error nothing to do with Moyes and the gobshite still could have signed a new contract but chose to go to court to get a bumper pay off. Sobbing down the phone - fuck off.
38 Posted 11/03/2011 at 16:17:00
39 Posted 11/03/2011 at 16:02:17
40 Posted 11/03/2011 at 16:37:42
41 Posted 11/03/2011 at 17:10:32
Let's see if he is a regular starter for Tottenham next season shall we ? A very good player yes - but not irreplaceable. The World Cup should have been the ideal "stage" for him - it wasn't was it ?And that surely speaks volumes.
Oh by the way Bertie - Spurs have played one season in the Champions League that 's the same as us. Who did they get in their preliminary/qualifying round ? We got a team that was good enough to reach the Semi Finals. Not exactly an easy draw was it ? And if you look at the last 10 years they have their seasons of struggling as well.
42 Posted 11/03/2011 at 17:33:40
Old Arry advertises all his dealing in the opress, did you see anything about a deal for Pienaar? I didn't, he even mentioned his half arsed bid for Pip in January.
Moyes said he would let it run down because he didn't believ Pienaar was worthy of anything more than the contract already offered and fair play to him, because he probably isn't. The same way Arteta probably isn't worth the £75k a week but he has put the time in already and this is his 2nd/3rd contract renewal. Loyalty (yeah right) is awarded by Everton FC.
Pienaar is great at making space but has a shot weaker than Osman's and his passing could be piss poor. Good player but not as good as he likes to think he is.
43 Posted 11/03/2011 at 17:44:00
44 Posted 12/03/2011 at 01:07:21
Last season and this has made it apparent. We're lacking THAT guy. Very frustrating.
45 Posted 12/03/2011 at 10:20:57
Hey Michael, committed Christians don't drink and drive do they?
46 Posted 12/03/2011 at 13:09:29
47 Posted 13/03/2011 at 08:20:57
I know a few Spurs fans who are sick of his inability already.
Sez it all that really.......
48 Posted 13/03/2011 at 21:08:12
We're missing that one element and it shows. Especially this season with the Table more open and competitive.
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment to the MailBag, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and MailBag submissions across the site.