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Do Everton get more hamstring probs than anyone else?

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Is it me or do Everton seem to get a lot of injuries, particularly hamstring pulls, in the first 10 mins of a half?

I think last year it was regular, which may be why Rathbone was moved on, but it seems the same again now.

Do the players warm up and stretch properly before the game?

Also, why don't you see other sports eg Rugby have similar problems ? you hardly ever see a back in rugby union pull up when sprinting?
Alan Peters, Cheshire     Posted 10/03/2011 at 20:50:51

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Russell Buckley
1   Posted 11/03/2011 at 03:02:51

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We are very unlucky with injuries but it's a professional sporting club. I'm confident they know how to warm up players. If we don't know how to get that done it's far scarier than any board shortcomings.

Here in Australia you see hamstring tears in all football codes. Also worth noting that a midfielders like Arteta or Felli do considerably more running than a rugby back.
Peter Bourke
2   Posted 11/03/2011 at 05:32:03

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Agree with Russell. I am also in Australia and you see hamstring injuries every week in the NRL. I am sure they warm up properly and when you see them at training they go through a large amount of physical stress as well which is why it is common place for players to get injured at training.
KPR Williams
3   Posted 11/03/2011 at 08:03:49

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Is this another "Moyes is responsible for all our injuries" thread.... come on, the man has his faults but...
Dave Rooney
4   Posted 11/03/2011 at 08:33:22

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Yes, it is you!
Gary Creaney
5   Posted 11/03/2011 at 08:47:28

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It's the risk that all finely tuned athletes run. Their muscles are so well toned that it only takes a small thing to snap or tear them.

Overrated this super fitness thing.

Tony J Williams
6   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:01:02

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Arteta, Neville and Saha ? which is not unusual ? are the only ones recently I can remember. So yes, it probably is just you.
Tony J Williams
7   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:05:54

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Oh KPR, it is not Moyes's fault, it's Hibberts or Osman's. Everyone knows that!
Rob Murphy
8   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:05:19

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Clearly Hibbert's & Osman's fault.
Liam Reilly
9   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:05:05

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Reading too much into this ? all clubs get injuries, part and parcel of the game.

Look at Arsenal, the Shite, Man U and Chelsea, they've all had serious injury problems this season, it's just more apparent here as we are more in tune with our own football club.
Dick Fearon
10   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:08:16

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Moyes wails he can't replace Arteta's creativity. We never had it up to last week. It is Cahill's goals that we miss most.
Shaun Brennan
11   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:13:45

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Do Everton get more hamstring probs than anyone else?

No, we are just having a shit season and when your feeling down and out at the bottom, the rain is at it's heaviest.

Anyway KPR Williams, I personally blame you!
Erik Dols
12   Posted 11/03/2011 at 09:27:57

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They should have started Operation Goodison Exercise earlier.
Ian Kearney
13   Posted 11/03/2011 at 10:11:44

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My hamstrings should be pretty safe if that's the case, Gary
Charles King
14   Posted 11/03/2011 at 10:41:55

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I'm sure others get them but we must be in the top 4, well done ? CL here we come.
GJ Butler
15   Posted 11/03/2011 at 11:46:27

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Our hamstring injuries are down to the fact the club is not for sale. FACT.

The tearing of the hamstring is caused by overstreching, which in turn, is caused by trying to get on the end of Hibberts passes. Hibbert being on the pitch is caused by David Moyes, who picks the team. Moyes will protest his hands are tied because he has no money to buy a better right back, which in turn, puts Bill Kenwright under the spotlight. Bill will claim he is searching for investment 24/7, though recent revelations of three supposed bidders withdrawing will 'confirm' what most already believe, that the club actually isn't for sale.

And the reason the club isn't for sale is because physio costs are tax deductable and a nice little earner...
Christine Foster
16   Posted 11/03/2011 at 11:51:35

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Some years back while I was in NZ, I did a course in Sports Injury Medicine and assisted in sports clinics to gain an understanding in the causes and treatments of injuries players (of all codes) get. (Being honest, there wasn't much to do other than get fit and watch sport anyway... so you quickly become a New Zealander!)

I have copied some net notes on the cause of Hamstring injuries, just so it's clear.
Preventing a Pulled Hamstring:

One of the most important methods of preventing a pulled hamstring is to warm-up correctly ? this has been scientifically proven to reduce the risk of hamstring strain. This should consist of some light aerobic exercise followed by stretching and sports specific drills with gradually increasing intensity.

Other factors which increase the likelihood of suffering a hamstring strain include:
Age: The older the individual the greater at risk to a pulled hamstring.

Previous Injury: Prior injuries to the hamstrings or adductor muscles can greatly increase the chance of future injury.

Flexibility: Research suggests that the greater the flexibility of the hamstrings the less prone they are to injury.

Hamstring strength: Similarly studies have shown that lack of hamstring strength is strongly linked to hamstring injury.

Lumbosacral nerve impingement: Nerve impingement in L5-S1 can lead to associated hamstring muscle weakness.

Tiredness and fitness: When a player is fatigued he/she loses coordination between certain muscle groups. The biceps femoris muscle is known to become damaged due its two portions being innervated by two separate nerves. In states of tiredness, lack of synchronization between these two nerves can lead to a mismatch in firing resulting in a pulled hamstring.
Full link to more detail is:

In summary, although not stated as such, over-training causes strain if muscles are not built up correctly: warm up and warm down is critical. Looking at Neville, I would say that his was more likely an age related injury and inflexibility due to age whilst Arteta is almost certainly insufficient warm up / stretches.

Emphasis on pre-match stretching and muscle massage is paramount to increasing blood flow, and warming muscle.
KPR Williams
17   Posted 11/03/2011 at 12:17:35

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For Sale...

Robust Hamstrings....
Gavin Ramejkis
18   Posted 11/03/2011 at 13:18:56

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The injuries that have hit Everton players are more magnified to the supporters for two reasons:

1. Because we have an interest in what our players are doing

2. (and this is a bigger one) The squad is so small that all injuries that keep a player off the pitch have an impact, there simply is no depth so we have no replacements.
Alex Taylor
19   Posted 11/03/2011 at 15:45:04

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Cheer up chaps. When Arteta is fit again, it will be like a whole new signing.
Jay Harris
20   Posted 11/03/2011 at 16:28:45

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Couple of beers and a few brandies with the occasional bottle of wine.

Works well for me, I'm now 60 and never had a hamstring problem.
Bertie Alloff
21   Posted 11/03/2011 at 16:30:36

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Think Gavin has hit the nail on the head there. Our squad is so small, and short on creative talent that it becomes far more noticeable, and therfore effects us to a greater extent.
Tony Waring
22   Posted 11/03/2011 at 17:45:18

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You are quite right Gavin #18 but the really major contributor to torn hamstrings is that we simply can't afford to buy the best quality knicker elastic.
Trevor Lynes
23   Posted 11/03/2011 at 20:55:32

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All the top teams get injured players too... but ours are more of a problem because our squad is too small to cope adequately. I have NEVER bought into the nonsense that was talked about the current squad being strong; we have not had adequate left full back cover since Lescott jumped ship and we will be in big shit if Baines gets injured.

When Arteta was injured, we had Pienaar doing a fine job; now it's down the plug hole. Not too long ago, Osman was being castigated after every game, now he is the only alternative.

We have a team of crocks and ageing players with a smattering of youth... we need players who can play anywhere to paper over the weaknesses. We waste money on long distance pre-season jollies which always seem to have an adverse effect on our starts to each season.

We GIVE away assets for peanuts (pardon the pun) or for free (Gosling). We readily loan assets (6 players) as if we are a pawn shop.

BK is speechless at the moment and DM looks on the verge of a nervous breakdown at the end of most of this seasons matches. I reckon we are as consistent as the England one-day cricket team supposedly trying to win the World Cup... Jekyll and Hyde to a tee.

Every game we play could never be bet on with any certainty because the same team never turns up... we win games when we seem to have no chance and draw/lose games we should win. The one thing we can count on is NOWT!!!

Derek Thomas
24   Posted 12/03/2011 at 03:41:19

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Many would say that, prior to his left-wing switch, Arteta has been sort of going through the motions mentally and physically.

His step up has been noticable in effort in the 1.1 games he played on the left. But has his training / warm-up / warm-down / pre- and post-massage etc been modified to take this into consideration?

Although football is basically a middle-distance event, not all positions require the same type of effort, one-size training / physio regime does not fit all. Every position is different and so is every player.

There must be some sort of questions asked about the physio's one-on-one program.
James Hollister
25   Posted 12/03/2011 at 11:23:27

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Every single season this very same question gets asked.

I doubt we get more hamstring issues, it's just that our squad is tiny, so things like this are magnified beyond belief, and when you don't have a comparable replacement for the ones going out, it's natural to wonder what the heck is going on.

Tony McNulty
26   Posted 12/03/2011 at 17:16:32

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The problem is not the isolated hamstring, it is a manager whose funding supply is hamstrung.

Coat, taxi, retirement home, Liverpool reserves
Daniel A Johnson
27   Posted 12/03/2011 at 17:47:13

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It's simple: the more games your players play, the more aches and strains they are likely to get.

As we have a small squad, key players are rarely rested and hence prone to injury and or loss of form due to fatigue.

Coleman for example is now running on empty and seriously needs a rest.

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