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Rodwell on his way?

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Are we going to just stand by and let this happen? Rodwell, a future England captain, off to Man Utd, à la Rooney???

Well I for one am not interested in all the bullshit of how the money from this transfer will save the club, and how we can spend it wisely... On whom? And why let our cream leave for another club???

Where's the future for Everton? ? Should we constantly let our best kids leave???

Don't be fooled by Kenwright and his oppos making money off the fans' backs... yeah, the average gate paying true supporter who pays his/her hard earned money to watch exciting young and up-and-coming stars ply their trade at Goodison Park...

I'll say again, forget the cash from his sale... we will only go backwards ? EVERYONE can see he is going to be a star of the future ? why not with us???

Jimmy Dundee, Perth     Posted 12/03/2011 at 12:22:22

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Paul Olsen
1   Posted 12/03/2011 at 18:19:32

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Silly season, now also in March. Sigh.
Brian Waring
2   Posted 12/03/2011 at 18:24:58

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While its only media crap, I would take the £25m sharpish if it were true.

Even though Rodwell is still young, I haven't seen anything to warrant a price tag of £25m.
Brian Hill
3   Posted 12/03/2011 at 18:30:37

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Jimmy, this "story" originated from The Sun. Do you really believe it?
Robert Pierpoint
4   Posted 12/03/2011 at 18:39:26

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Personally, I have no issue as long as the money is re-invested in the team.

Smaller clubs will always lose players like Rodwell to teams like United. We are a small team in comparison to United!


Transfers is the nature of the game. Everton should look at it another way, in terms of how the current team can be improved with that type of capital. However, if the manager doesn't get the money then that is another story!
Ste Traverse
5   Posted 12/03/2011 at 18:35:33

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It wouldn't be surprised one bit if it was already a done deal.

Just be ready for Rodwell to get the usual stitch-up job from Kenwright's chums in the media, ie, the likes of Dave Prentice, when the deal goes through. Jack will be attacked from all sides for his "greed" and "disloyalty" and will get a barracking on his return.

Again selling our best young prospect just about sums up where we are right now as a club under BK's clueless leadership.
Charles King
6   Posted 12/03/2011 at 19:09:15

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"Where's the future for Everton? ? Should we constantly let our best kids leave???"

Yes, it is our future, it's also the present and recent past.
James I'Anson
7   Posted 12/03/2011 at 19:15:02

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He will go. I just wish it wasn't to Utd. We have to get the wage bill down so don't expect anyone to replace him. He wont be the only player to leave in the summer.

Bill's building a team for the future. In the Championship that is.

Garry Martin
8   Posted 12/03/2011 at 19:58:03

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United have apparently upped there offer to £25 million... I suspect a done deal; however, money will probably come on a drip basis and will revolve around appearances & achievements. If he goes, we should insist on cash with no players coming our way.
David Hallwood
9   Posted 12/03/2011 at 19:57:52

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I'm expecting a fire sale close season, because something's got to give, we cannot have another transfer window of inactivity, and if we couldn't even afford loan deal wages, of Hammil at £500k (who looks quite good BTW), it doesn't look good for the coming season.

Expect to see Rodwell, Felli, Jonny, Jags, Bily & Bainsey shipped out to pay the bills, the only question is: How much will the manager (whoever that is) get?
Tom Winek
10   Posted 12/03/2011 at 20:09:03

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£25 million! That would be the Deal of the Century!!!
Ian Pilkington
11   Posted 12/03/2011 at 20:23:19

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I can't understand why some supporters seem to be happy to cash in on Rodwell in the naive belief that the money would be spent on replacements. I happen to still believe he is one of our best prospects for many years and the thought of him joining Rooney is just to awful to contemplate.

If Kenwright had the decency to sell up and get out, we would not only keep Rodwell (and Fellaini, Baines et al) but actually invest in new players ? now there's a positive thought.....

Paul Holmes
12   Posted 12/03/2011 at 20:31:16

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Take the money!

There are players as good as Rodwell in the Championship ? remember Reading, anyone? Rodwell played in that game, Reading midfield players were better! Take the money before they realise!

Danny James
13   Posted 12/03/2011 at 20:29:48

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If we can get £25 million for him, I would be content. The thought of losing Fellaini bothers me more. I would rather sell Rodders to City as they are more likely to pay the cash upfront. Utd tend to pay with gift vouchers.
Lee Courtliff
14   Posted 12/03/2011 at 20:30:11

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Rodwell has done nothing. By the time Rooney was his age, Wayne had almost dominated a European Championships, the second biggest football tournament in the world (I think).

£25 million for Rodwell would be a great deal as we are only selling potential. Like Jeffers.... Look what happened to him!!

Danny Broderick
15   Posted 12/03/2011 at 19:49:49

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We are making interest payments of £4.5 million a year to service our current level of debt. We have a wage bill which amounts to 69% of our turnover. This is unsustainable. He will be sold, we can't afford to not sell him.
Gavin Ramejkis
16   Posted 12/03/2011 at 21:13:29

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Don't forget, Danny, that, barring an absolute miracle, our prize money for league placing this season will be considerably less than previous years, so that debt servicing will be even harder. Next season's Sky money has already been used for debt servicing and so there are only players left to use.

We'll see at least one player leave at the end of the season (and that's on top of those already on loan) with the usual media slander job done on them to get the sheep who fall for it blaming the player and not BK and his mercurial business brain. So yes we can't afford not to sell him whilst BK and cronies are still here.

Stephen Leary
17   Posted 12/03/2011 at 21:46:20

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It ain't really a shock, Jimmy mate, the way footie is going now, all teams sell players for the right money. Ronaldo went from ManUre, Torres from the Shite, money talks now. I just worry that we get £25M for the lad and don't get jack shit of it to spend.
Roberto Birquet
18   Posted 12/03/2011 at 21:36:04

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Gavin, we're only one place below last season.

I don't go for the pessimistic we'll sell and not reinvest. The last few seasons show that is exactly what we do: sell to buy.

And I reckon one of Fellaini or Rodwell will go, the money paying for a replacement plus a striker.
Ryan Holroyd
19   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:08:13

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No season ticket for me next season if this is true. Only way to hurt a shithouse like Kenwright is to hit the cunt in the pocket.

Kenwright's legacy will be having sold Rooney and Rodwell, two failed ground moves, and winning one less trophy than Peter Johnson. He's given up on EFC and until he is out of our club, one way of the other, we will just be a feeder club to the likes of United. Who will be next, Ross Barkley?

I can't believe some Evertonions have given up on us ever becoming a big club again. Well, enjoy sitting in a three quarters full Goodison. But I won't be there until Agent Kenwright has gone.

Roberto Birquet
20   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:19:35

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Ryan ? We won't be a big (money) club again until we have either the right ground or get lucky like Chelski or Citeh.

Hate to say this, but I still don't understand the Citeh reference.
Brian Waring
21   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:23:44

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Roberto, wasn't Moyes told he would have the Pienaar money to spend?
Andrew James
22   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:16:11

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I am really genuinely excited by selling Rodwell. Just think, we'll get drip payments and Man Utd players in exchange.

I confidently expect that Wes Brown will be our next captain and you can all look forward to Pepe being in our midfield in the near future.

Although Rodwell hasn't stepped up his game this season and seems injury prone, it would be nice to keep him for longer as the position he's in is not one usually mastered until a player is a few years older.
Aidy Dews
23   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:17:15

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We've got to take the money for Rodwell as, like some have said, he's showing nothing to warrant he's even worth that or ever will be IMO. Unlike some, I don't see the world class potential in him, sure he'll be good... but not world class I don't think.

Rodwell is supposed to be the next bright light coming through the ranks in English football, according to the likes of Sky Sports and journalists, but this season, out of all the likes of Rodwell, Wilshere, Gibbs, Henderson, Carroll and Kyle Walker, I think, Rodwell is the only one who as been over looked by Capello all season, even though Capello said he would look to blood youth from now on.

IF we could get £25M for him in the summer and then sell the likes of Yobo, Yak, Vaughan and maybe even Heitinga and Bily, then we could make up over £40M plus and if we could give Moyes at least £30M of it for players and wages and then use the rest to service debts then I think a lot of people will be happy with that in the summer.

After two seasons of indifference and shite, we need to freshen things up and with us being in a bad financial state, we need to ship players out in order to bring in money for our own improvements. Rodwell is the one that will bring in big bucks, and tbh, he's only a squad player at best when everyone's fully fit so why not sell this summer for silly money?

Because, let's face it, he will go eventually, and IMO he's no use to us right now warming the bench most weeks like he will be when everyone's fit, so why not sell him and use the money wisely to improve us and give us more of a chance of challenging for Europe next season.

And when Barkley recovers from his leg break, we could bring him along and let him take over Rodwell's mantle of being the next big potential coming through the ranks and breaking in to the 1st team squad.
Ryan Holroyd
24   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:27:37

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Roberto, we will never have the right ground under that lying blue-rinsed toad Kenwright. He had his chance of getting the right ground at the Kings Dock. But the selfish fat toad wouldn't relinquish control and messed up the real "Deal of the Century". He should have been run of out of EFC after that.

Kopites would never accept a lying egotistical horrible twat like Kenwright. But at EFC, apathy reins, so we get the club we all deserve. A nothing club with only our great history left. Kenwright is slowly killing EFC.

Kevin Hudson
25   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:38:33

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Actually wouldn't be too bothered, as I don't recall too many occasions of him tearing up trees or bossing games.

Elegant player with potential ? yes; Indispensible future Everton legend ? merely perhaps...
Robert Pierpoint
26   Posted 12/03/2011 at 22:56:36

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Aidy, totally agree with your argument. For me, if it is a toss up between selling Rodwell and freshening the team up or continuing with him and the same team; I know which one I would go for.

People talk about Spurs now, but I clearly remember the time they had to sell Berbatov, Carrick, Keane etc to bigger clubs. It is simply the way football has always been. If we sell Rodwell, or if we sell Felliani then it allows change. Everything is cyclical, and hopefully in the not too distant future it may be that there is some kind of investment and we will be on a better financial footing.

What is clear is that any money we receive has to be reinvested into the squad. Then we might unearth another Felliani, Baines, Piennar or Arteta and it starts again. Selling players need not be a failing, rather that the club has succeeded.

In terms of United players, I really rate Gibson and think that he would be attainable. Great delivery from set pieces and has a goal in him too. Trappotoni wants him to move, and although he said he wouldn't be interested in a move to a 'smaller' team, I reckon Everton could be attractive enough for him to consider. He could fourish being a first team regular.
Ryan Holroyd
27   Posted 12/03/2011 at 23:16:26

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Gibson is shite.
John Ford
28   Posted 12/03/2011 at 23:46:40

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Sell, cash in, reinvest. Keeping Fellaini is more important.
Colin Ryan
29   Posted 12/03/2011 at 23:45:14

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Gotta agree with Ryan re Gibson. Shocking midfielder who has a decent shot but nothing else. As for Rodwell, I would prefer if we sold Fella for £25M. He's only got 2 years left on his contract so it's time to move him on as he won't sign a new deal and his dad wants him at Chelsea. I don't buy into the Fellaini hype either.
Steve Harris
30   Posted 12/03/2011 at 23:39:52

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I hate Kenwright for allowing us to drift further and further into debt and for allowing his so-called second love to become a selling club that our once rivals now perceive as a small club and an easy target. You get nowhere selling the family silver.

And to the bloke who thinks Moyes will get £30m to spend if we sell everyone, are you high? Have you not been watching the slow inexplicable decline of this great club? The only way that will ever happen is if Kenwright the smarmy incompetent liar is run out of dodge. Kenwright you're fired!

Jimmy Hacking
31   Posted 13/03/2011 at 00:04:03

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If anyone is silly enough to offer us £25 million upfront, we should bite their hands off. He's a decent young player, but if he is the "future England captain" then our national team has a very poor 10-15 year period looming.

Plus, we can always buy him back two years later for about £7 million.
Roberto Birquet
32   Posted 13/03/2011 at 00:03:39

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Colin
Fellaini's no hype, he is bloody quality. We were short on personnel and had him filling in up front too long.

But he is a class CM. If he goes this summer, we should keep hold of Rodwell. We can't sell both.

Ryan
On Bill losing Kings Dock, I remember hearing we'd lost it, I could not feckin believe it. That was a far bigger loss than Rooney. I live away, and don't remember it being down to BK not relinquishing control. That would be unforgiveable.
Gavin Ramejkis
33   Posted 13/03/2011 at 00:18:40

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Roberto remind me again who we sold in the summer and who we bought? If debt servicing is so high can you hand on heart say we could sell a first team player and replace them, if so please let me know when Moyes spent the Pienaar money or the wages saved on Yakubu or Vaughan in the January window.
Andy Morden
34   Posted 13/03/2011 at 00:16:38

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Sell two high-value assets ? one for debts, one for new blood. Bargain basement signings for Moyes...

I've been drinking, thus it makes sense! Ask me when I'm sober....

Oh, as for Rodwell, I fear he will be another Jermaine Jenas. Alright, but not a world beater.
Ste Traverse
35   Posted 13/03/2011 at 00:52:52

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Roberto, BK went around telling all and sundry he had our £30m contribution to Kings Dock "ringfenced" when it turned out he didn't, so Paul Gregg, then on the board, offered to put the money up but it meant BK losing control and BK rejected it and then started a media campaign discrediting Gregg.

So there you go.
Matt Traynor
36   Posted 13/03/2011 at 02:04:31

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Whether you rate Rodwell or not is immaterial ? fact is we won't be able to "re-invest" any of that money. With the market as it is, and our status as confirmed mid-table mediocrity, what does that buy you anyway?

Of the two, I'd have hoped Fellaini went as Rodwell is on a longer contract ? even though I rate Fellaini as the better player.

Because you can already see Fellaini will be sold next summer after refusing to sign a new deal ? if he's not also sold this summer.
Tony Cornmell
37   Posted 13/03/2011 at 04:50:19

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Well, earlier this season, supporters were saying why didn't Moyes cash in on some players and fresh up the team? Now, all the crap about don't sell your best players. Get real, people ? you cannot have it both ways with our funds (zero). So I say cash in, whether Rodwell or Fellaini or both, add Heitinga, Yak, Yobo, Vaughan and any other player you can think of. Because, apart from Baines, none deserve to wear the shirt. Time to get some younger hungrier players in who will actually fight for the cause.

Going back to Rodwell, he's a good passer of a ball but to crablike; watch when a move breaks down, he's slow at getting back. Maybe he will be a good centre-half but we will never see him there at Goodison. I still reserve jugdement as how great he's going to be, just like all the crap about Rooney: good player but not the great player (world class) he was touted as. So I say cash in same with every other player at the club ? the only one I would be sad to go would be Baines.

Andy Callan
38   Posted 13/03/2011 at 08:17:56

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I'll drive him to Old Trafford meself to make sure he goes.......

£25m for Rodwell would be excellent money for a player that isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

As for him being a future England captain, I would lay off the strong skunk if I were you mate ? it's obviously interfering with your judgement.
Lance Manion
39   Posted 13/03/2011 at 08:22:10

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£25M for Rodwell would be a great bit of business for us as long as the funds are made available for new players.

Although there is no doubt Rodwell has the potential to be world class, I can't help thinking he is gonna be the type of player that is plagued with injuries for too much of his career.
Ryan Holroyd
40   Posted 13/03/2011 at 09:05:57

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Yes, because selling Lescott and reinvesting that money into the team really helped didn't it? How many clean sheets have we kept since?

There are other people we should sell before Rodwell, eg, Vaughan, Yobo, Heitinga, Bily, Beckford, Yak, Victor. These are the players we should sell.

It's OK blaming Rodwell for side ways passes but even Arteta struggled when in the centre because none of our forwards move. They are like statues.

James I'Anson
41   Posted 13/03/2011 at 09:22:06

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Un-fucking-believable... Sell your best players? Bill really has done a job on some of you.

He earns around £20k a week. If we get £25M for him, after paying off some of the debt to keep the bank happy, we may be left with £15M to buy say 3 new players. We will then have £20k a week to pay them.

What players earn £7k a week these days? Championship players?

Unless Bill leaves, we will be in the Championship for the start of the 2012-13 season. Happy days, at least we might be in with a chance of winning something. Then again...
James I'Anson
42   Posted 13/03/2011 at 10:06:07

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If Alex Ferguson gets tipped off about this forum, he might change his mind. Realising that Rodwell is shit, he might decide on a more structured deal just in case.

We all know how these structured deals work. We're fuckin good at them now. A bit now, a bit then, a pat on the back and then some ageing Utd players thrown in. How can we complain? We're just Everton after all. What do we expect?
Chris Bannantyne
43   Posted 13/03/2011 at 11:28:22

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For the sake of the argument, let's just pretend we sell Rodwell for £25mil and then Moyes gets the whole lot to reinvest in the squad, fantasy land I know, but play along.

For me, regardless of the players we might be able to purchase, it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I hate this raising talent (you can argue about how much "talent" he posseses if you like) and then farming them off to Man U and Citeh and so on, like Rooney and Lescott. It just burns.

It may be benificial in the short term, and depending on whether he reaches his claimed potential or not, might even be better in the long term, I just hate losing these guys to the fat cats.

End of rant.
Phil Bellis
44   Posted 13/03/2011 at 12:25:15

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Roberto

Kenwright's legacy is losing us a world-class stadium on the second most famous waterfront in the world. You're presuming (I think) that a new ground would give us 60,000+ gates and extra revenue from dozens of corporate suites and boxes. But how will we fill the ground (with our support from a deprived area) if we have a crap team?

And as for corporates... fancy watching City or Utd battling for the League or plucky, struggling litlle Everton v Wigan ? doesn't wash for me, I'm afraid; build a successful team first ? people will come.

David Holroyd
45   Posted 13/03/2011 at 14:26:42

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If anyone thinks Moyes will see anything like any decent money from the sale of Rodwell... well, think again. As much as I hate it, Fellaini will have to go as he has only two years left on his contract; we don't want to leave it till the last year.

As for people thinking Rodwell is shit, quite a few other managers would take him ? they cannot all be wrong. Very few 19-year-olds... sorry ? he's now 20 ? would look good in our midfield, there's no-one to fucking pass to, no movement up front. Saha got 4 goals against Blackpool; he could've had a few against Brum but took the wrong option.

James Stewart
46   Posted 13/03/2011 at 15:21:21

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Take the money and run!

It's never pleasant to see youngsters sold on after breaking through but there is nothing I have seen from Rodwell that makes him worth that kinda money!

It would be bad business and stupid to not take it. However, it makes me uncomfortable thinking how Black Bill will swallow up the money.
Drew O'Neall
47   Posted 13/03/2011 at 15:34:49

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I would sell Rodwell and anyone else in our squad we could get £25M for. In my eyes, clearing the debt and making Everton viable again should be priority #1 for any board.

No player is worth £25M to Everton FC, it's only when you get to the top that it's worth spending that much on a player because the margins between teams are smaller. We could replace his effect on our team for £5M and start to build a sustainable future for Everton FC.

Only by clearing the debt will we be able to genuinely compete instead of poking round the lower divisions for bargain loans, etc ? which is frankly an embarrassment for our great club.
James I'Anson
48   Posted 13/03/2011 at 15:49:46

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Drew,

Do you really trust the current board to actually do this? To turn things around and start making progress???

Roberto Birquet
49   Posted 13/03/2011 at 17:32:56

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Phil on me
'You're presuming (I think) that a new ground would give us 60,000+ gates and extra revenue from dozens of corporate suites and boxes."
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I'm not presuming anything. I'm saying our chances of becoming a big (money) club again depend on having either the right stadium or a sugar-daddy or both. We need one of those just to have a chance.
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"But how will we fill the ground (with our support from a deprived area) if we have a crap team?"
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What comes first? Chicken or egg? good team, or support. Having just the opportunity to have money will make getting a top team possible. Without it, things look bleak... partly, as you say, because we've not got a rich fanbase.
Roberto Birquet
50   Posted 13/03/2011 at 17:41:05

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Gavin:
"Roberto remind me again who we sold in the summer and who we bought?"

Ok, we bought Gueye, Silva and Mucha for about £1.5 million, and sold no-one. Released Nash and sent Yobo out on loan.

In busier pre-seasons, our buy-sell policy has tended to be net £0-2 million purchases.

On that basis I would expect sales to fund purchases, as they always seem to. One of the biggest was three years ago. We spent some £15-17 million on Pienaar and Fellaini, received £16 million for McFadden and Johnson.

There is a pattern.

I'm hoping that the banks are happy with Bellefield money and savings on wages (Pienaar, Yak, and Vaughan). We'll see.

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