Did anyone notice that at one point we had 8 defenders on the pitch; 8 out of 10 outfield players...
What the fuck is goin' on here.....?! It was like being back to the Walter Smith days, when Bally stood with his arms out to the side in the centre circle, because no one knew where the hell they were supposed to be playing.
We were at a canter yesterday, scored the second and then simply stopped. I said at that point it would be typical Everton for Fulham to score, then everyone would be at panic stations for half-an-hour.
If we could see it happening from a mile off, why couldn't they....?!?!?
Andy Callan, Posted 21/03/2011 at 12:11:18
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1 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:28:52
The first substitution was a bit annoying. We were far too defensive.
The second substitution ? Rodwell for Bily ? worked brilliantly. Osman clicked in that role, Heitinga could become less disciplined and go forward a bit, and then we had an arguably comfortable left winger in Bily.
So Moyes did a cock up then made up for it.
Plus, why complain? We still won, Fulham still only had one clear chance after the goal and we are 2nd in the form book.
Could even get 6th? Hopefully, but more likely top half.
2 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:30:45
Also they must have seen it a mile off because they didn't let Fulham score the equalizer. QED.
3 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:33:17
Gotta love being an Evertonian.
4 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:28:56
With Arteta, Pienaar (sold) and Fellaini missing Moyes has been forced to play more defenders in the starting 11. What other option does he have?
Bilyaletdinov continues to be annoyingly missing when he starts and surely you aren't suggesting Moyes play Anichebe in midfield? Surely you're not suggesting we should start Baxter in midfield either?
With a small squad and our 3 best midfielders (Arteta, Pienaar, Fellaini) no longer available, Moyes has no choice but to play defenders.
I expect Moyes to bring in a couple of midfielders in the summer.
It's not some big sign that Moyes is losing it. The squad is just light on midfielders at the moment since losing Pienaar, Fellaini and Arteta.
5 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:39:16
Besides which I wouldn't necessarily count Coleman and Rodwell as defenders any more, since they've played far more games for us in midfield.
6 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:36:59
Howard - Keeper
6 Defenders - Hibbert, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Neville, Coleman.
3 Midfielders - Rodwell, Cahill, Osman.
1 Striker - Saha.
The subs were Heitinga (defender), Bilyletdinov (midfielder) and Beckford (striker).
Unless your counting Rodwell as a defender? Which is pretty stupid considering he's never played in defence in his whole career.
7 Posted 21/03/2011 at 13:52:00
People have been screeming for Coleman to play right mid, they get their wish he`s played 25 games there, he`s now our established RM . . but now he`s s defender again
Unless your maths is really really bad we played with 5 defenders on Saturday about four less than Man City, three less than Chelsea and two less than Man United did at home to Arsenal.
So when you ask did anybody notice we played with 8 defenders the answer is no.
and if you think we did, Here`s a simple little tester for you . . name em
8 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:07:42
9 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:09:57
We had Arteta and Fellaini out injured. Pienaar was sold. That's 3 of our first choice midfield players from the start of the season unavailable for 1 reason or another.
Rodwell has played midfield since he came into the side.
Coleman has played all season at right midfield.
Plus, Baines spends half his time galloping up the left side of the pitch anyhow.
We won the game.
You could have given credit for the beautiful goal we scored by Coleman but no. Anything to moan at.
10 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:04:28
If not now, then I'd say within the next few games, once we are relatively safe from being pulled back into a scrap for our lives, maybe give these two lads a run out for the last few games and let's see if they can cut it at the highest level? Otherwise, ship them out and have players warming the bench who CAN make a difference next season, midfielder's too rather than just opting for safety through players you already know, like Johnny H and Pip who are not midfielders imo, square pegs and round holes as always!!
Oh I just wanted to add (I know its not part of the current topic but I touched on it above), please get rid of all the deadwood that have for far too long been on our wage bill and if we're honest are no longer needed. Yak, Vic (get whatever you can for him... ANYTHING) Vaughan, Yobo... and I'd also include unfortunately Bily who isn't in the deadwood category yet but is becoming more ineffective month by month.
11 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:49:26
Simple Question: Why are Gueye and Baxter found warming the bench?
Simple Answer: They are shit.
If they were any good, don't you think Moyes would play them? After all Moyes works with them on a daily basis so he must know how good they are.
Or are you one of the simpletons who believes Moyes refuses to pick his best players because of loyalty to others?
Personally' I think Moyes picks the best players available to him and Baxter and Gueye just ain't good enough.
12 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:55:34
When at home we should continue to attempt to score a third or fourth goal when we are ahead and STOP worrying about what the opposition are doing. Once we are on the back foot, it's really difficult to regain the impetus to attack.
13 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:52:39
According to the Mediocre Brigade it's the new 1st and the trophy and medals will be handed out at the end of the season.
Plus, with 4/6 wins we are top of the form table which is what it's really all about, not this FA/League Cup, Prem title rubbish.
Looking forward to seeing that Form Trophy/Medals at the end of the season as well.
If Moyes could just win Manager of the Month that would be The Treble, the real Treble, not the silly League, FA Cup, Euro Cup Treble nonsense.
The new Everton Treble.
14 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:07:21
What did make me laugh though was after Beckford came on and we 're-shuffled' the team. I remember at least two occasions ? and it may even have been more - when the strapping figure of Ossie was up against Hangeland.... challenging for the high ball. Surely the greatest mis-match in the history of football?
15 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:46:42
As far as Rodwell is concerned, he's been playing midfield all season, albeit not in any one stable role, but midfield none the less. Whether or not you think he is performing particularly well is another topic. I for one am one of those that thinks he has the 'potential', and am not getting too frustrated with him.
Coleman does show that he is still an unpolished professional winger, and at times can seem a bit one dimensional, but I can't help but love his attitude and attacking nature. He will get better and better, and I think wing is the right spot for him IMO.
I do feel frustrated though that our subs are a bit square-peg-in-round-hole out of preferable position substitutions, but as others have pointed out, who else do we have? Felli and Arteta are injured, Pienaar is gone... That leaves Anichebe, and I think we are all in agreement that he is the absolute last resort... I can't blame Moyes for his substitutions at this stage because he simply just doesn't have anyone else.
One player I WOULD like to see go round is Magaye Gueye. He can play wing or striker, and I was pretty impressed with him when he played in the Australian tour. I'm not sure why Moyes hasn't used his 'secret weapon' yet, and I will not make any claims as to Moyes being the greatest manager around, but I think everyone agrees that we'd rather have him as manager than myself, so I will trust there to be a reason for Gueye not getting a run yet.
We can all hope for a few aditions in the summer (whether or not they will materialise is an all together different prospect), and we can all get frustrated at not having a bench full of classy midfielders for substitutions, but we can't really EXPECT any different considering the tools that we have to work with (pun may or may not have been intended).
16 Posted 21/03/2011 at 14:53:28
Jan Mucha (Pointless Having An International Keeper On The Bench & Never Playing Him).
Joseph Yobo (Great Player In His Day But Everton Outgrew Him).
Yakubu (Look At His Career, Starts Off Well Loses Interest Quickly).
James Vaughan (Injury Prone, Struggling For Goals In The Championship).
Iain Turner (Looks Set For A Permanent Move To Preston)
SOON TO BE DEADWOOD (PULL YOUR SOCKS UP OR GET OUT) :-
Magaye Gueye (The Secret Weapon. Is The Secret That He's Not Very Good?)
Kieran Agard (21 Now. Never Scored A Professional Goal)
Victor Anichebe (Plays A Part But Most Say Badly)
Diniyar Bilyaletdinov (Talented But Goes Missing Most Games)
Louis Saha (Too Injury Prone)
Jermaine Beckford (Is 8 Goals For The Season Good Enough?)
Jose Baxter (Once Tipped For Big Things But Never Shown Anything On The Pitch)
RELUCTANTLY FORCED TO SELL -
Johnny Heitinga (Good Player But Seems To Want To Leave. Give HIm A Bike & A Flag & He'll Join Barcelona).
Jack Rodwell (May Well Develop Into A Great Player But At The Moment He's Decidely Average. Seems To Lack Energy & The Sideways Passing Is Annoying. Would Prefer Not To Sell But £25 million Is Too Good To Turn Down For A Player Who Isn't Even One Of Evertons Top 8 Best).
17 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:13:35
18 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:21:38
Moyes works with these kids on a daily basis over a number of years.
Do you think Moyes is unaware of how good Baxter is?
Personally I think Moyes is all too aware that Baxter simply isn't good enough to start in the Premier League.
What gives Baxter the right to be given a chance? If he doesn't impress Moyes in training and reserve games then I say he shouldn't be given a chance in the first team.
People used to say the same thing about John Paul Kissock. You will find him in non-league football now.
19 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:24:46
20 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:21:15
Claiming we had 8 defenders on the pitch is shite and, if you want to deal in shite, fine... some of us are not as easily led.
BTW Feel very free to name the eight defenders yourself if you feel you are right.
21 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:34:26
It's arguable whether we consider Coleman a defender now? He's played in midfield for most of his professional career.
22 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:50:36
Coleman = midfielder who can play right back
Pip = utility player
Baines = wingback
Jags = centre half
Distin = centre half
Hibbo = full/wingback
Heitinga = centre half/midfielder
The rest of them are clearly not even worth mentioning.
Where are these 8 defenders, and if we had 8 on the pitch, why did they let Dempsey score?
This is an outrage.
In other news ? can anyone tell me what's happened to Leon Osman? He appears to have been abducted and replaced by some guy who looks like a pretty decent midfield player!
23 Posted 21/03/2011 at 15:29:28
How can you say DM's secret weapon is shit when he has not had a chance to prove himself, and the same goes for Baxter, neither have been given a chance... so, unless you make the long trek to watch the reserves, how can you claim they are shit ?
Moyes does work with them every day but his judgement on players leaves a lot to be desired imo whether he works with them daily or not, Arteta & Saha (how many games was it without a goal) this season being prime examples of Moyes's judgement. My point was why fill spaces on the bench with players who he sees as not able to offer us anything or insist on playing defenders in a midfield position?
Question ? Dick, are you one of the simpletons who applies the saying IMWT cos you'll find that trust imo has been evaporating for some time and I hope he is one of a few casualties come this summer and he is replaced with someone who fits the billing of someone who at least WE TRUST (along with a new chairman who WE TRUST). Until then,enjoy watching square pegs going into round holes and DM filling the bench with players you and him deem SHIT!!
24 Posted 21/03/2011 at 16:32:16
James Marshall in simple terms as you've clearly missed the point:
Rodwell - Centre Half being played as a Midfielder
Coleman - Right Back being played as a Right Winger
Neville - Right Back/Centre Half being played as a Midfielder
Baines - Left Back, we don't play 3 at the back so Wing Back is daydreaming he just happens to go forward when he has a partner on his wing working with him, not every game
Jags - Centre Half correct
Distin - Centre Half correct (can cover Left Back but hasn't for Everton)
Heitinga - Centre Half (the clue is did you watch the World Cup?)
There are 7 players, add Hibbert as Right Back and you have all 8.
Agree with you on Osman though, he is playing some of the best football I've seen him play in a Blue shirt.
25 Posted 21/03/2011 at 16:43:15
Stop embarrasing yourelf lad, Rodwell has played an advanced midfiled role several times but has never played a competitive game at center half ? "therefore he`s a defender " lol
Coleman has only made a couple of appearances at right back as a sub and played all his other 20 odd games at right-mid ? therefore he`s defender... you couldn't make it up.
And if you know anything at all about our players, you`ll know Neville and Heitinga are utility players... BOTH have played as many games in midfield as in defense, Heitinga was only used as a makeshift defender in the World Cup. The lengths people will go to to try and make these utterly ridiculous points is becoming cringeworthy.
I suppose Jagielka is a goalkeeper.
26 Posted 21/03/2011 at 16:58:28
27 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:11:13
28 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:08:45
29 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:16:17
You're fighting a losing battle.
We won on Saturday so, instead of moaning about the result, people are moaning this week about how many defenders played and what the age of the players on the pitch was.
It's simply moaning for the sake of it.
When Alex Ferguson did it against Arsenal in the Cup it is classed as great management when Moyes does it he is being negative.
It makes me laugh though that Moyes was slated for months for not playing Coleman right midfield everyone was stating "how can we all see it but Moyes can't", now he is getting criticised for playing him there.
Jack Rodwell has played 80+ games in the first team for Everton in midfield and never played for us in defence (has he ever played in defence for the England Under-21s either?).
30 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:19:19
31 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:29:59
32 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:42:35
Which game did he play in defence? I can't remember that.
33 Posted 21/03/2011 at 17:35:50
Simple Answer: They are shit.
If they were any good, don't you think Moyes would play them? After all Moyes works with them on a daily basis so he must know how good they are."
With respect, Moyes also worked with Coleman on a daily basis but after weeks of Toffeewebbers saying he should be given a chance at right mid, Moyes finally gave him his chance and he has been a revelation. So maybe Moyes could do with a bit of lateral thinking. We could see it, why not Moyes?
And Hibbert made his first team debut under Smith.
34 Posted 21/03/2011 at 18:11:28
A couple of seasons ago, half the senior squad were still on their jollies when we played at the Rioch in a pre-season friendly. Rodwell was asked to play center half then and was absolutely ragdolled by some no mark striker... he hasn't been anywhere near our back four since.
Jagielka has actually spent more time between the sticks than Coleman and Rodwell combined have played in defence for Everton... doesn't make him a goalie though.
35 Posted 21/03/2011 at 18:19:55
36 Posted 21/03/2011 at 18:05:35
As far as Heitinga and Neville go, try looking up their career stats and what was their most prominent position? When you've exhausted that, learn how not to walk on your hands as you're clearly talking out of your hoop lad.
37 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:00:40
Defensively he isn't great. Bombing forward he is tremendous, and he's also got the great knack of being in the right place at the right time.
38 Posted 21/03/2011 at 18:58:57
Roque Santa Cruz
You may not agree, but certainly any of these would be a better option than Bily on the left wing and Anichebe? And these guys cost a lot less than the £11.5M spent on Bily and renewing Vic's contract.
39 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:06:32
40 Posted 21/03/2011 at 18:49:32
Where do you think Hibbert played all those seasons? Centre-forward? Until this season Neville played the overwhelming majority of his games for Everton in midfield.
You must think we were all born yesterday, we watch Everton too and we all know where Coleman and Rodwell play and no amount of your babble will alter that.
Here`s a tip, when you describe a player as a defender, try using the same guidelines as every other footy fan, make sure you are talking about somebody who occasionally plays in defence.
41 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:24:12
Oh I agree entirely ? Bily has been a massive waste of money and Anichebe is an embarassment. I'd take any of those others over the pair of them anyday.
Trouble is, we never seem to be at the races, even for loan players of late ? why? Possibly because Moyes hasn't been allowed to add to the wage bill lately?
I'm speculating, rather than making a statement, by the way.
42 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:20:38
I totally agree with you. It's Moyes bashing for the sake of it.
Rodwell has never played a competetive game for Everton as a centre-half.
Coleman has played a game 'n a half at right back (Spurs and Huddersfield) and played all season as on the right wing.
Do some people who say they go the actually watch the match.
43 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:20:27
Some silly arguments going on here, funny though.
44 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:33:22
45 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:26:38
Didn't Shearer start as a Goalkeeper at Southampton academy? Was he played out of position for England, Newcastle, Blackburn all of those years???
I can't believe that out of Arsene Wenger and the whole roundabout of Chelsea managers over the last few years and NONE of them have played Ashley Cole in his real position on the left of midfield!!!
46 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:28:31
Neville has always drifted around positionally ? I seem to remember him playing a lot in midfield for United and full back for England (tho I could be wrong).
It seems an obvious point that the main reason we seem to utilise players in such a way is that we don't have a large squad and Moyes plays with that in mind; ie, ones that can do a job in a number of roles.
47 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:44:06
48 Posted 21/03/2011 at 19:52:07
If you can't see we have made improvements since Smith then I am not sure you actually watch Everton.
Our average final position under Smith was 14th. Under Moyes its about 7/8th.
49 Posted 21/03/2011 at 20:21:02
50 Posted 21/03/2011 at 20:27:25
51 Posted 21/03/2011 at 20:35:12
Dave Wilson has beaten me to it with his post.
I don't see how you can say that about Smith and then on the other hand be writing posts and articles attacking Moyes when he has had to work under similar constraints.
52 Posted 21/03/2011 at 20:36:37
Smith was a good manager before Everton and was a good manager after Everton. You think anyone can succeed at Rangers or Celtic? A huge myth. They are two of the hardest jobs in football. Ask Neil Lennon. Ask Ally McCoist this time next year. Good men have failed there.
I believe that David Moyes has what it takes to be a success at Celtic and, if and when he does, he will have my respect. Rangers and Celtic do better in Europe than Everton. Is Europe a two-horse race too?
Would you think it fair if DM goes elsewhere and wins trophies that his time at Everton was looked back on with contempt?
53 Posted 21/03/2011 at 20:54:57
54 Posted 21/03/2011 at 20:59:06
55 Posted 21/03/2011 at 21:17:08
56 Posted 21/03/2011 at 21:20:48
57 Posted 22/03/2011 at 00:05:47
58 Posted 22/03/2011 at 00:19:55
You can agree with Jagielka, Baines, Hibbert and Distin obviously.
Coleman is to me a right winger now, could play right wing or defence in the future.
Neville and Heitinga.... well not the utility players thing Dave was saying anyway, everyone has their favourite position.
Heitinga a definitely centre half and never a makeshift centre half in the World Cup!!! Has always played there with Matijsen or Ooijer for a number of years now.
Neville is a difficult one because he started as a full-back then began to enjoy playing holding mid towards the end of his Utd career. I'd stick with the full-back although he's playing terrific as a holding mid.
Rodwell, touted as a future centre-half but has said many times he's a midfielder and he enjoys it. Definitely a midfielder in my book.
59 Posted 22/03/2011 at 02:24:20
60 Posted 22/03/2011 at 04:39:22
61 Posted 22/03/2011 at 05:41:10
62 Posted 22/03/2011 at 07:45:12
I wasn't moaning about beating Fulham; for fucks sake 3-points is 3-points. Seeing a win after driving 220 miles to Goodision is ALWAYS good. However we nearly chucked it away there after we stopped playing.
My point was that it's a sorry state of affairs when we've no midfielders or strikers to choose from... well, players that are any good anyway.
If Baxter and Gueye are no good, then why the fuck are they just warning the bench then? Answer ? coz we've no-one else. Which is point I was makin'....!!!!!!
63 Posted 22/03/2011 at 08:59:05
We nearly threw it away? We didn't, we won and that's all the record points and the League will say.
If we came on here after the Reading games and said we nearly got a draw, can you imagine how many posters would have a choice response to that?
64 Posted 22/03/2011 at 11:26:07
I'd bet a big gold pig (if I had one of course) that you weren't even there on Saturday lad.
If you're happy with the currently state of pure mediocrity and the utter shite we're getting fed on the park, week-in and week-out, then you're in need of some professional help.
65 Posted 22/03/2011 at 11:31:45
Nobody is happy with things at the moment, but making up shite like we played with eight defenders will always draw a response.
It's a bit like crying wolf, drawing attention to shit that didn't happen takes attention away from shit that did.
BTW, the guy's a season ticket holder, so don't go making silly bets either.
66 Posted 22/03/2011 at 11:54:27
67 Posted 22/03/2011 at 11:31:12
The problem with standards slipping is that they tend to slip very, very slowly. So slowly in fact that many (it appears) often don't realise it... until it's too late.
Consequently we get one-eyed, shouty simpletons (his word!) like Dick Anderson who can't believe that some Evertonians are not dancing in the streets after a nervy 2-1 win at home to Fulham.
'We won - shut the fuck up!'
Not only that, they seem outraged that some are prepared to question the manager about his team selections and or/tactics.
Well it is this refusal to condemn and eagerness to make excuses for (even praise) the incredibly average, that is, in my opinion, partly (nb: only partly!) responsible for our present standard of uninspiring, naive, huff-and-puff, lottery football.
And the best that some can come up with as an argument for anyone putting forward a contrary pint of view?
"It's simply moaning for the sake of it" (maybe as lame and desperate a counter-argument as exists).
Well fine, here's me 'moaning for the sake of it' (nb: not because I see standards slipping or because, week by week, season by season, I see Everton FC becoming Coventry City).
We have for the most part this season, played football that is/has been staggeringly easy for the opposition to figure out.
We have a team of no pace.
We have a team that goes to fucking pieces when we go a goal up.
We have a manager devoid of imagination.
We have a manager who buys players, doesn't play them and is then 'defended' by people pointing out he's made the right decision, as said players are 'shit' (if you can figure that bit of 'logic' out, please let me know!).
We have a manager who works for a useless bullshitting puddin', has been given fuck-all to spend by that useless bullshitting puddin', yet says next to nothing and just plods on, doing the same old... same old.
We have a coach who might as well be standing in Lewis's window.
We're going backwards.
Oh and many view protesting to get rid of those who have fucked Everton as 'kopite bahaviour' (nb: even though it has been proved to work).
But hey "...now you're going to believe uuuuuuuus, we're gonna finish 8th!"
(or 11th... 9th maybe..).
68 Posted 22/03/2011 at 12:26:41
69 Posted 22/03/2011 at 12:49:53
Do you really think Tommy Coleman is spot on?
Do you really think anybody is attacking a post by somebody criticising Moyes? Or do you think they`re questioning the need to make shit up like "we played 8 defenders"?
Do you really think that anybody thinks 8th is the new first? Really? I`d like to see a post or be introduced to that guy. Personally, I think you won't be able to introduce me because it's made-up shite.
And do really believe anybody ? other than Tommy himself ? has pointed to the form table? Or is that more made-up shite?
It`s a bit like me saying "Ha ha ha, you lot thought we`d be in the Rymans by now and your all wrong" but I won't, know why? Because I know nobody said it and I would then be sinking to the same level and dreaming up arguments I think I can win.
You want people to stop being pleased with mediocrity? Simple; stop imagining they are, stop mistaking an argument as apologism simply because its contrary to yours.
NOBODY is happy with what's happening at our club at the moment, we are in deep deep shit. some people are hoping that by hanging in there, we may still have a club when Kenwright eventually fucks off.
I see Moyes`s shortcomings a mile off, I could put him away in a heartbeat and I wouldn't need any made-up shit or silly accusations to back up my point. But he`s the man we`ve got. You and others think battering away at him is the way forward, I think otherwise, I think backing him is more beneficial.
I have known great Everton sides, I have known shite ones, this one makes me feel like putting a fucken gun to my head at times, so I really don't need some joker telling me I`m delighted with this fucken nightmare.
70 Posted 22/03/2011 at 13:28:19
Who has suggested that any Evertonian should be "dancing in the streets" because of the Fulham result?
71 Posted 22/03/2011 at 15:33:18
Firstly, isn't that what TW is all about? Supporters with differing opinions, hence I or maybe Eugene will have a pop at DM but you think otherwise, thus the discussions/arguments etc begin.
Secondly, the buck stops with DM whether he has been working under Walter-style restraints or not. The man should do a Keegan and hold his hands up and say I can't take you any further.
This was the season when we were going to make a change with what he called "his best team whilst in charge" but he has been found out now for what he truly is, a manager lacking ideas or a vision of how to galvanise a team and produce consistent good results. We don't expect 'great' as the squad does have limitations... but 'good' or better than what they and he has produced this season would have been a lot better than the garbage we've seen for the most part.
IMO, the sooner he has been given his P45 or preferably steps down, thus saving us a few quid having to pay up the ridiculous new contract he recently signed, the better, and us being top of any ridiculous form guide does not hide the fact he needs to go, along with the fat controller!!
72 Posted 22/03/2011 at 17:17:03
I know I will get slated for this question, but I will ask it anyway.
Who would you replace David Moyes with? In your opinion, who on the money we pay Moyes would be able to come in and perform better than what Moyes has done over the last 9 years.
I ask this question because of the names that have been mentioned in the past Moyes has finished above these managers more often than not in previous seasons, ie, McClaren and O'Neill and will more than likely finish above Coyle and Holloway (managers who have been mentioned over the last few months) this season?
I'm not attacking your opinion, I am just interested.
73 Posted 22/03/2011 at 17:30:20
Well, Everton will get some money coming in as every club does and, if by some miracle we get an investor, then perhaps we can be optimistic about the next 12 months. We have to offload some players who are not consistent enough and maybe some who are always injured or getting too old.
Yakubu doesn't want to come back and many will think that's a good thing but we have Anichebe who cannot score, Saha who scores but is injured too much, Cahill who has been of no use since the Asian Cup and I think is not fully fit. This leaves Beckford who can score but is not a top class strkier. Vaughan is obviously not rated by Moyes which leave s Everton woefully inadequate in the scoring department and if that doesn't change before next season then it will be real depressing.
We have had some bright spots this season namely the form of Baines and Distin with some recent return to form of Arteta and Fellaini and the continuing emergence of Rodwell and Coleman. Personally I think that over the last 8 games Moyes should give more playing time to Duffy and Baxter with maybe an outing for Gueye. If not then he should farm them out and bring in some loan players who may be of good use next season.
74 Posted 22/03/2011 at 17:42:33
75 Posted 22/03/2011 at 16:34:38
There was actually a clue as to whether or not I really thought it.
That clue being that I fucking well wrote it down and posted it.
(obviously too subtle for you, but if you look hard you can find these clues).
You then go on basically to call others opinions (as that's what/all they are) 'made up shite' and regarding Moyes say..
"I see Moyes`s shortcomings a mile off, I could put him away in a heartbeat"
You then add..
"I think backing him is more beneficial".
Well THERE is where we differ.
You see I also see Moyes's shortcomings a mile off and - CONSEQUENTLY! - don't think backing him is beneficial.
It's a logic thing, kind of - 'Why would I (or anyone) see it as a beneficial to back someone they DON'T think is up to the job?'.
By the way, keep this in mind.
'Made up shite' is all down to interpretation.
Personally I don't give a fuck if we play 8 strikers, 8 defenders, or 8 midfielders if we compete.
If however we don't (nb: and we fucking don't!) people are more than entitled to question tactics and selection.
You've almost bust a blood-vessel because someone called Rodwell and Coleman defenders.
Well I don't personally see them (now) as defenders, but it is hardly the lie of the century if that's what they were until very recently, that's what they could be in the future and that is where they have (presumably) plied their trade since they were nippers.
By the way, if you're so sure of players positions, tell me what Rodwell's position ACTUALLY is?
Oh and what's Bily's position...and Arteta's?
(nb: actually, don't tell me, tell Moyes!)
You finish with..
"I have known great Everton sides, I have known shite ones, this one makes me feel like putting a fucken gun to my head at times, so I really don't need some joker telling me I`m delighted with this fucken nightmare"
This is VERY odd.
keeping in mind you mentioned 'made up shite' at least three times in your post, show me ANY sentence or paragraph where I have mentioned your name.
Where does it say "I think Dave Wilson is delighted with the 'fucken' nightmare"?
(clue - it fucking well doesn't).
Looks like 'made up shite' to me (that or a guilty conscience).
Dave Wilson (70) you say..
"Who has suggested that any Evertonian should be "dancing in the streets" because of the Fulham result?"
Sorry, I am not explaining hyperbole again (15 times is my limit!).
Here's a link, figure it out.
76 Posted 22/03/2011 at 18:17:05
You seem to be having difficulty distinguishing the difference between opinion and made up shite . .allow me to assist.
Imagine the people who make up shite to be a bunch of arl women gossiping on the corner, they`re talking about the fella at number 27 who has an eye for the birds, he who also likes a bevy - heinous crimes as far as his detractors are concerned
Of course they could slaughter him for being as drunken womaniser . . .but its not enough, they see this guy as a twat so they are going to bury him.
They accuse him of being a thief, a burglar (played eight defenders) even though they have absolutely nothing to back this up, he`s a twat he MUST be a burglar,
But then something the accusers hadn't bargained for happens ; a couple of the group say "hold on a minute" you have no grounds to accuse him of thieving " . . The accusers fucken explode ! They round on the people who want fair play - "You bastards ( apologists ) you can see no wrong in him , you're just as bad as he is, ITS YOUR FAULT WE HAVE SO MANY FUCKEN BREAK INS IN THIS STREET ! ! !
The people looking for fair play point out " but we haven't had any break ins"
"OH" say the posse" AND YOU THINK THATS REASON FOR A FUCKEN STREET PARTY DO YOU ?"
Opinions about where a player plays, isnt really and issue , but when somebody comes on here claiming we played Eight defenders it becomes one and if the guy cant name those defenders, its kinda sounds less like an opinion and more like he`s making it up.
When somebody claims an "imaginary "brigade" are claiming eight is the new first, but when challenged he becomes silent ; its not an opinion, he`s making it up
When somebody draws attention to the form Guide and claims others have - when they really havent, its not an opinion : he`s making shite up
When he claims they will be new trophies, is that Opinion ? na especially when he`s the only one who's mentioned it, he`s pretending people who dont agree with him think there should be . . he`s making the fucken thing up.
Now if your happy to support this as being spot on, then fair play to you, knock yourself out .
I could give you a long list of this "made up shit " if you`d like me to, but despite it being totally untrue you`d probably tell me it was down to intepretation, opinion. I`d be pissing against the wind
Oh by the way Eugene I didnt say it was you who said I was delighted with this nightmare, I was referring to the many posts that are still on view on this site where some joker tells me and every one else who are`nt taken by this made up shite that we are delighted with the way things are going.
The guilty conscience isnt mine mate.
77 Posted 22/03/2011 at 20:38:23
You're right of course, Eugene, let's overlook the fact that he`s here to stay. Let's fucken hammer him into the ground... then we`ll see the benefits.
78 Posted 22/03/2011 at 20:34:40
Congratulations Dave, just about unfuckingreadable!
Certainly the single worst, most convoluted, unintelligible analogy I've ever seen on TW.
Have you ever seen when Alan Partridge gives us an analogy...but can't resist explaining what he actually means at the same time?
(seriously, read it back to yourself, impossible to follow).
79 Posted 22/03/2011 at 21:10:37
Dave you say..
"You're right of course Eugene, let's overlook the fact that he`s here to stay. Let's fucken hammer him into the ground... then we`ll see the benefits."
Well, Mr Shortcomings is CERTAINLY 'here to stay' if everyone follows your "let's give him a dead easy ride" plan.
I mean why would he even think of fucking off if he never hears a discouraging word ? right?
Genius! (that'll learn 'im!)
Pity the Egyptians didn't come up with that concept.
"Our awful leader must go, it is the end for him, let's all... erm... NOT give him a hard time!"
And by the way (for the zillionth time on TW) 'you are' is 'YOU'RE', not 'your'
(shit, that kind of makes you the winner. You see I'm none the wiser, but you actually are!)
80 Posted 22/03/2011 at 22:24:40
Really sorry you found my post unfuckingreadable and Alan Partridge like and that you felt that I felt the need to explain it.
81 Posted 22/03/2011 at 22:40:43
Eugene; you say... actually, what did you say?
I don't give a flying fuck if you criticise Moyes, he gets paid enough and if you think you can drive him out then you go for it fella. But if he`s really soooo bad, why the fuck do you feel the need to applaud made-up shite?
One more thing Eugene; ask yourself if you know an Evertonian who doesn't see Moyes`s shortcomings.
Ask yourself do you know or even know of, an Evertonian who is delighted with our current predicament... and thinks 8th is the new first.
That they think Moyes has been hung out to dry and another manager ? any manager ? would struggle big time in the same circumstances means they see things differently to you, that's all
It doesn't mean they are blind.
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