Well, Magaye certainly impressed me when he came on against Villa. He runs the channels well, he floats in good crosses, his free-kicks and corners are accurate, he backtracks to help out the defence, and he has creativity and invention.
But I noticed more than once during the game that Moyes was grimmacing and grumbling the few times Magaye lost the ball, or gave away a free-kick in our half. It would also not have pleased Moyes to see Magaye float all round the park ? sometimes on the right, then on the left, then in the middle, or upfront, and then back in defence.
Knowing Moyes as we all do, I'm sure he would have wanted Magaye to be disciplined, stick to his job on the right (much the way Coleman does), and to just follow instructions. I therefore don't really see Magaye having much of a future at Everton. I think one of two things will happen:
One, Moyes will coach all the invention, creativity and flexibility out of Magaye in an effort to make him more disciplined. Doing so may make Magaye lose his confidence and effectiveness.
Or two, in the attempt to do so, Magaye will just get frustrated, have it out with Moyes, and then be placed on the transfer list.
Sorry, I know it's only one game, and I may be making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but I just somehow sense that Magaye and Moyes are not good fits.
Timothy Sebastian, Posted 03/04/2011 at 08:10:30
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1 Posted 03/04/2011 at 14:18:15
2 Posted 03/04/2011 at 14:30:14
More to the point, how many players in the last 10 years have actually had those three to get coached out of?
3 Posted 03/04/2011 at 15:00:18
4 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:10:36
As for coaching things out of players, he would likely start with Gueye's pace, what was the lad thinking by running so fast?? And as for swinging decent corners in? Quit it boy, quit it!!
5 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:19:58
6 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:33:26
How many defenders did Moyes play yesterday?
7 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:28:49
8 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:34:52
9 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:38:49
10 Posted 03/04/2011 at 16:44:47
I have to agree with John@7 as I don't think he could be any worse than Bily who just hasn't taken these chances given to him and looks a passenger that has no positional sense whatsoever.
We hopefully have enough points so playing Bily, who I don't see having a future at Goodison, ahead of the French kid, who also looks to have a bit of pace, doesn''t make much sense to me.
If Gueye ain't given games, we will never know if he is up to Premier League football. The lad's energy and youth should help him through his early games before he settles and we get a better idea of how good he is or isn't.
11 Posted 03/04/2011 at 18:33:11
12 Posted 03/04/2011 at 18:52:25
How many attacking coaches have we had at the club since under Moyes? The answer, I think I'm correct in saying, is ZERO!!!!
How many times have we seen Everton starting a match against poorer opposition, at home, with only one striker up front?
Jermaine Beckford: Uselsss!
Yakubu & Vaughan: Out on loan!
Bily: Playing out of position.
Gueye: left footer playing on the right.
This long and short term defensive-mentality at Goodison has been strangling our club for long enough and now it's beyond a fucking joke.
13 Posted 03/04/2011 at 18:58:31
Any combination of those, mostly failed, strikers would have given us a better chance.
14 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:05:47
Beattie: one good season and then we bought him... couldn't hack it. Still can't.
AJ: one decent season, relegated, then we bought him, couldn't hack it... still can't.
Yakubu: usual MO with him, great season then gets bored and plays shite.
McFadden: don't make he laugh.
Jô?? Now you are just getting silly.
We haven't had a Premier League class striker for ages, Yakubu was the closest until he got injured and then lost interest.
15 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:11:32
Are you having a giraffe?
16 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:29:29
17 Posted 03/04/2011 at 19:36:41
18 Posted 03/04/2011 at 20:03:04
Moyes hasn't (and never has) "coached" attacking instinct out of a player.
19 Posted 03/04/2011 at 20:33:52
By the way, how did Vellios get on?
20 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:06:51
My only concern with Gueye (and Seamus to an extent) is that he needs to learn when to pass instead of taking one too many players on and losing the ball to the opposition.
I still think he's worth a run to see if he's up to it ? especially if we can get £6 million plus for Bily.
21 Posted 03/04/2011 at 21:27:58
22 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:02:28
23 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:37:11
Just don't tell anyone you read it on the interweb...
24 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:42:06
25 Posted 03/04/2011 at 22:47:56
Just keep reading ToffeWeb, Davey, we'll do your job for you, there's 100s of thousands of amateur coaches out here... commenting on a simple game,
Honestly... IT IS REALLY NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!, WORLD PEACE!, INTERNATIONAL FINANCE! It's fucking football!!!!!!
26 Posted 04/04/2011 at 04:18:41
27 Posted 04/04/2011 at 08:54:52
On the right we could use Bily/Coleman to try and emulate the Pienaar/Baines combo we had where the fullback was used to do the overlapping with the midfielder cutting inside. Bily needs a set position to work on and it isn't the left, because that does hinder Baines, as the two of them don't know how to work together when Bily looks lost out there.
28 Posted 04/04/2011 at 11:57:51
While Spurs are the graveyard for Defenders, we most definitely are for Strikers... all thanks to Mr Moyes and his "Defend now at all costs" policy.
If you're at the end of your career and are a striker but want to become a half proficient midfielder / defender, Moyesy is your man to do that.
Sorry but honestly the man hasn't got a clue how to allow strikers to be creative to play their style... the style he bought them for.
29 Posted 04/04/2011 at 13:24:49
Playing such a young inexperienced foreign player surely we should try to make it as comfortable as possible?
Playing Gueye I presume out of position seems to be putting extra barriers in the lad's way when the Premier League is tough enough.
30 Posted 04/04/2011 at 17:16:13
31 Posted 04/04/2011 at 17:21:06
Beckford has had one season predominately off the bench or upfront by himself and has still got a decent haul and had the chances for more yesterday. Yes, it was a bad miss in the one-on-one but you can't expect a 100% conversion rate. His finish for the disallowed goal was amazing although no, forgive me, that was a composureless lucky hack showing his lack of talent, nothing to do with any goalscoring instinct he has.
What a joke some of the criticism he gets is. He was free after all, Ferguson brought in pensioner Larsson for a season and after less goals than Beckford has everyone was proclaiming him a genius yet all Beckford gets is people consistently saying he's not good enough for the Premier League.
32 Posted 04/04/2011 at 20:49:05
Vellios had three or four touches all of them good, including a cracking effort that was going in but got deflected for a corner.
Looks good to me.
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