I've watched every home game that Bily has played for us. My opinion of him as a footballer can be summed up as follows:
? Can't Pass
? Can't Tackle
? Can't Head the ball
? No pace
? As a winger he has never gone on the outside
? No confidence
In other words... Shit.
Then witness yesterday... an absolute screamer, best goal we have scored this season... then he embarrasses himself with an air shot my kids could have scored.
He is the player who has scored at least three of the best goals in the last two seasons. What can you make of him?
My own view is that we parcel up his goals on YouTube and get our money back.
Bob Skelton, Posted 10/04/2011 at 11:50:51
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1 Posted 10/04/2011 at 15:19:14
Must have confidence, or he would never have gone for his shot.
My view is that he should play in his correct position, in the middle just behind the forward/forwards and let him do his stuff.
He certainly isn't shit
2 Posted 10/04/2011 at 15:19:08
I think he would be best used in the middle; highlighted by his goal yesterday and his other goals he has scored from central positions.
He has got good feet but the problem is he doesn't have the pace to go with them; this is what makes him struggle out wide as he can't get round the full back.
I still think, given time in a more advanced central position, we may find a good player in there somewhere.
One thing, beyond any doubt is that he has got one hell of a strike on him. I would like to see him take more set pieces around the other team's box.
3 Posted 10/04/2011 at 15:30:16
4 Posted 10/04/2011 at 15:58:18
5 Posted 10/04/2011 at 15:56:33
If DM insists on trying to keep playing him as a winger then he is obviously not going to shine.
Also, when has the guy had a consistent run in the team? Not fair to judge him at all at the moment in my opinion.
6 Posted 10/04/2011 at 16:05:18
Bily continually gets moaned at for other players' mistakes.
7 Posted 10/04/2011 at 16:04:21
I think the two shots you mention yesterday sum him up, you get players who are capable of both the sublime and the ridiculous in the same match and Bily is one of them. I think that's basically just something you have to accept. One thing you can do though is play him more, praise him and build up his confidence, and inevitably the ratio of sublime to ridiculous will increase.
8 Posted 10/04/2011 at 16:17:11
Kevin Sheedy wasn't really a "bust your gut" kind of player, is he? Yet, people consider him a legend. He's in a team where he has sufficient battlers such as Bracewell, Reid, and Van den Hauwe behind him. People fail to see him make the effort whenever he does, but crucify him for the times he didn't.
9 Posted 10/04/2011 at 16:23:23
It's obvious he's not a winger no pace and obviously doesn't enjoy it out wide, he's an old fashioned inside forward if you ask me.
10 Posted 10/04/2011 at 16:46:53
11 Posted 10/04/2011 at 17:12:01
He IS something of a misfit though with Everton, doesn't quite seem 100% comfortable WHEREVER he plays, so if someone offers, say, £7 million for him, we should take it. I won't ever speak negatively of him, though.
12 Posted 10/04/2011 at 17:21:36
13 Posted 10/04/2011 at 17:15:34
14 Posted 10/04/2011 at 17:35:03
This is a guy who sometimes drifts in and out of games but can open up a defence like no other player except Arteta can in the curent Everton squad. People say he is lazy but, if you really want lazy, look no further than Anichebe. I thought he was a bit of a disgrace yesterday, especially when he tried to run the ball out of play and got beat to it by a Wolves player who set up another attack. I would have thought that, as he had come on as a sub, he would do his utmost to impress the boss.
Anyway, enough of that. Bily IS a good player with a fantastic shot on him. If you compare his assists and goals to that of the previous player in that position (Pienaar), you will find he has a lot more and has achieved it in a lot less games.
15 Posted 10/04/2011 at 17:48:40
16 Posted 10/04/2011 at 17:59:17
17 Posted 10/04/2011 at 18:45:46
18 Posted 10/04/2011 at 19:05:49
If you look at Tim Cahill, all he can do is head the ball, and be a pain in the arse to the opposition... he is one of the best players Everton have seen since the late 80s!!!
Let him and Ossie float around to feed Beckford, and maybe pop up with a goal or three before the season's out.
19 Posted 10/04/2011 at 19:16:03
I like the lad... always have ?he's got tons of ability, dynamite in either foot, and great technique. Yes, he can be a bit powder puff but so were Limpar and Kanchelskis and nobody minded that.
20 Posted 10/04/2011 at 19:19:19
And that's the problem: when everyone's fit he's 3rd or even 4th choice, and with a paper thin squad it's a luxury we can't afford.
21 Posted 10/04/2011 at 19:20:16
Whether he is in David Moyes's long term plans remains to be seen, I would hazard a guess that this is unlikely to be the case. Given the comments that Moyes made regarding Jermaine Beckford and reading between the lines, Bily certainly does not fit the desired attributes required and will probably be shipped out if a reasonable offer is received during the summer.
22 Posted 10/04/2011 at 19:53:31
23 Posted 10/04/2011 at 20:00:21
24 Posted 10/04/2011 at 20:36:02
25 Posted 10/04/2011 at 20:22:15
He can't half twat the ball though, but so could the clumsy cross-eyed kid at school with the chunky orthopaedic shoes. He needs to be offering much more than that on a consistent basis to stand any chance of remaining at the club beyond this summer.
I just can't see it suddenly coming good for the guy this late in the day though, and I believe he's already been earmarked for the exit door. The only chance he might have of staying is that we wouldn't recoup anywhere near the amount we blew on him a couple of years ago.
26 Posted 10/04/2011 at 20:36:22
27 Posted 10/04/2011 at 20:40:25
28 Posted 10/04/2011 at 20:45:35
Fuck Off, Bily ? one great goal, a season doth not make!!!!!!
29 Posted 10/04/2011 at 21:11:19
30 Posted 10/04/2011 at 21:28:57
31 Posted 10/04/2011 at 21:50:39
32 Posted 10/04/2011 at 21:57:40
He's not shit. He had a solid if unspectacular game yesterday, aside from his goal. Sadly, people seem to exepct midfielders such as Bily to be dominating games and doing specatular things for the full 90 mins. Sorry, football doesn't work like that.
He played a team role, got a corker of a goal and played some astute passes. Yes, he cocked up a sitter, but any player can do that.
33 Posted 10/04/2011 at 21:55:27
In my opinion, someone who can score goals like Bily can should not be sold. At least not until we have given him a fair chance in his natural position.
I know he is frustrating and even I, who had great hopes for him this season, was starting to think that maybe he will be off in the summer. I just think we should persevere with him. Not many have a left foot like him.
He should never be played on the left ever, ever again! I always thought that Bily on the right with Seamus at RB would be a brilliant combination going forward. It would probably be suspect defensively but I bet we would score plenty more goals. Anyway, with the form that Seamus has shown on the wing, I don't think I want him moved.
34 Posted 10/04/2011 at 22:58:22
35 Posted 10/04/2011 at 23:24:59
I would suggest we need to find the right way to use him because players with his ability to create great things from nothing do not come along every day. I am a fan.
36 Posted 11/04/2011 at 01:34:15
I don't think he works with our current set-up and I'm not sure he works in this league.
But a lot a talent and class. Wish we could figure out a way of making that show consistently.
37 Posted 11/04/2011 at 02:16:05
Both of them are a waste of space for the reasons mentioned. We desperately need other midfielders who have pace, can win the ball and score more regularly then perhaps we can expect to improve and become more consistent.
The people we now have missing à la Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Coleman and Rodwell have given the chance again to Bilya and Osman and, although they scored last week and this, they are not good enough to take us to the next level. Magaye Gueye should at least be given more outings as there are signs he has real ability.
38 Posted 11/04/2011 at 02:08:49
I reckon come summer and BK is looking to cut the budget our top earner will be moving on while he still has a good reputation and we can get some money for him.
Problem is Arteta's out for the rest of the season and could be getting a rep as injury-prone so we might not get as much as we like.
39 Posted 11/04/2011 at 03:58:28
Played in the middle pretty good with the ability to score some amazing goals with that thunderous left foot.
Played out wide, pretty damn poor and exposes lack of pace the kid is stricken with.
Play him in the middle...
40 Posted 11/04/2011 at 04:19:46
I'd rather take the lad's word for it, rather than everyone is a defender or midfielder Moyes.
Bily I feel will be off in the summer..and when he does go, I will wish him the very best.
Since Moyes keeps insisting on playing him out of his natural position..(where have we seen him do that before?? almost constantly playing people out of position then wondering wtf he can't play there). Never the less, he can't tackle, can pass and he can score blinders. I think it would be reckless to sell him.
Keep him just behind the forwards and he'll deliver imo.
Some people seem to think we are god's gift to the premier league...unlike those teams above us with tons of dosh to spend and are able to win the prem and annually play in the champions league..we can ill afford to offload players that have demonstrated they can play in the team. In this case Bily simply has to stay!
41 Posted 11/04/2011 at 05:42:01
The tired old "played out of position" claim.
Knew that would come up.
Bily has been here two seasons and if he has played as a left winger he must have been sporting dreadlocks for most of that time.
Moyes has tried to accomodate Bily in several positions, he has talent but maybe he is just one of a very long list of players who`s style of play just isn`t suited to the hussle and bussle of the Premier League.
42 Posted 11/04/2011 at 07:20:54
He offers nothing by the way of effort, he consistently gives the ball away through poor, lazy passing and rarely shows for a pass for a teamate.
And to top it off he looks knackered after 15 mins.
Undoubtedly the worst £9M EFC have ever spent.
43 Posted 11/04/2011 at 07:54:53
He's come on as a sub most of this season and been put on the wing, do yourself a quick check on any of his goals for Everton and they've all come after he's come back inside into his natural position. If that doesn't float your boat, YouTube any Russian game where he has played and check out where he is on the pitch. But whatever you do, don't let a tired excuse stop you.
44 Posted 11/04/2011 at 09:20:36
To have players who can "do it all" you need a top class scouting system, a lot of luck, and a lot of cash... and we don't seem to have had a surfeit in those areas in the last few seasons.
45 Posted 11/04/2011 at 09:40:20
He's shown nothing other than a decent shot in 2 years to suggest giving him a chance ahead of our most consistent goalscrorer behind the front man would be worthwhile.
What's classy about only showing for a pass when you're in 10 yards of space and your oppo has three men on him?
He's been wasteful in possession for his whole time with us, He's lazy and woefully off the pace in every match I've seen him at, which is all at Goodison and a fair few away.
I'd go as far as to say I'd sooner Victor was playing.
46 Posted 11/04/2011 at 10:27:27
Pienaar, loads of work rate, but he sure was weak around that penalty box.
A tackling holding midfielder will set us up for next season... and I don't mean Felliani.
47 Posted 11/04/2011 at 10:41:46
Moyes regularly plays players out of position: Anichebe on the right, Osman anywhere across midfield, Neville anwyhere, Coleman in midfield, Hibbert at centre half, Baines on the left wing, Jagielka in midfield, Heitinga in midfield, Fellaini as a striker. Do you not think if Moyes saw something in Bily that suggested he was an attacking central midfielder, he'd have at least tried it for part of a game?
I suspect Moyes thinks Bily is simply not good enough. Moyes knows Bily is just too weak to mix it up in the middle. I didn't realise there were so many Russian football enthusiasts who've regulalry scouted BIly to know so much more than Moyes on this.
48 Posted 11/04/2011 at 12:08:03
Then again, I'd rather see Beckford up front with Saha in a 4-4-2 but obviously that's out of the question for the rest of the season.
49 Posted 11/04/2011 at 13:01:13
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50 Posted 11/04/2011 at 13:16:20
51 Posted 11/04/2011 at 13:40:13
He's clearly not a left winger... I'd give him another season and play him behind the forward or on the right in front of an adventurous full-back.
52 Posted 11/04/2011 at 13:12:53
I don't need YouTube, I`ll leave that to you to do your research, I know who plays where because I watch the games.
I`ll tell something else I know: Every manager, every single manager who was ever in charge of a top flight team has played players in positions "experts" like you would claim aren't their best: SAF (Rooney); EVERY Redshite manager (Gerrard); Ancellotti (Anelka) ... getting the drift? Name me a manager who has never played people out of position? You won't because you can't.
Yet despite having a smaller squad than most ? and therefore more reason to do it ? every time a player plays shite for Everton, we get this piss-poor excuse from you that they have been played out of position. Don't you get it? That's how it works, the individual will ALWAYS be sacrificed for the good of the team.
Next time Bily surrenders possession without so much as a token resistance, Goodison should hold its tongue, remember your little pearl of wisdom... and instantly forgive him.
53 Posted 11/04/2011 at 15:53:47
54 Posted 11/04/2011 at 16:05:32
55 Posted 11/04/2011 at 15:58:41
Bily isn't quick enough to be a left-sided midfielder nor is he confident enough to take people on.
It would make more sense to play Bily in the middle and Ossie on the wing, "for the good of the team".
First reason: Ossie can get a good combination with Baines, when he hasn't got any sort of an understanding with Bily at all!
Second, his attributed, especially in the EPL, point Billy to be an attacking midfielder.
Alan Clarke... fair enough with your comment, but that attacking midfield role, you don't have to be strong. Fair enough with the two deeper central midfielders, but Bily can surely do that role behind Beckford no problem. It doesn't make any sense.
56 Posted 11/04/2011 at 16:51:53
If Bily were playing against a park-the-bus team and launched a few of those rockets he has, it would pull them out. They'd have to close him down. That would open up the quick ball to the striker or a quick one-two...
Flexilble players are invaluable for a team that is skint and short on cash. But that doesn't mean every player has to be flexible. Bily just shouldn't be out wide, and he does fairly well in the middle in an attacking role. Add to that the occasional bomb he delivers ? and would do so more often played in that position more often ? surely his stock would rise under those curcumstances and responsibilities?
Isn't that fairly obvious?
57 Posted 11/04/2011 at 17:08:13
The people who howl about players being played out of position have just painted themselves into a corner ? give em enough rope...
After years of battering away at Ossie for being shite on the wing, they are now advocating it ? and at a time when he is consistently our best midfiled performer!!!
The more you raise this argument, the more it sounds like Moyes bashing for the sake of it.
Moyes does not have a player for every positon, you know that and that's why you keep shying away when challenged to name one. But it still doesnt stop you complaing about it AFTER the game.
58 Posted 11/04/2011 at 17:27:56
Yes, Moyes doesn't have every player for every position, but even when all of our players are fit, we still don't. Which needs addressing big time.
If you claim to watch all of the games recently, Osman has stepped up magnificently, on both the left and the middle. Yes, he is better in the middle, but Bily has been useless on both flanks.
So what's the common sense route? Play Osman on the left (yes, not his best, but is still playing very good) and play Billy in the middle (surely he could be better). I also say this so Baines can get in the game. Playing a right-footed player on the left makes Baines a lot better player.
What's wrong with that? And answer points, Dave, please instead of ignoring some sense people have said on here and just attacking people for the hell of it.
59 Posted 11/04/2011 at 17:43:29
First of all I said to move Ossie to the left would be to play him out of position; after a lot of waffle, you agree ? because it is a fact.
You also eventually agree with the point I made about Moyes not having a player for every position ? you agree because its a fact
You then tell me the "majority disagree with me" ? what about?? Tell me.
And finally you say I "claim" to watch every match - well that's also a fact.
It's also the reason why I know you guys are arguing about something you don't know about. We ? the away fans ? sat to the left of the goal Everton attacked in the first half on Saturday. Anyone present will tell you Bily did not come within a country mile of us ? which kinda knocks your claim that he was playing "left winger" into touch.
Having an argument contrary to yours does not constitute "attacking people for the hell of it". If you just want the opinion of one side and want to ignore the facts there`s not a lot I can do about that..
Only point out to me which of my points you disagree with instead of making remarks about what I "claim".
60 Posted 11/04/2011 at 18:13:37
There's no facts I'm ignoring by the way?
And I'm thinking about it because of previous posts. You're always arguing with other people on here, again co-incidence?
And fair enough to the claim of you watching the matches, I do apologise.
But what I'm getting at is the Bily thing? You still haven't got at my main point is he should be playing in the middle. Even if playing Osman out of position, because he's far more effective there than Billy.
61 Posted 11/04/2011 at 18:28:18
Anyway you said the majority disagree with me on this thread. I merely asked you on what?
You still haven't answered.
62 Posted 11/04/2011 at 19:59:31
I don't need my eyes testing, I've watched Fellaini every week; yes he has got flair, but no pace and cannot tackle, hence his two bad injuries. And, in my opinion, he wanders out of position, which leaves a gaping hole in front of the defenders. It's no coincidence that Distin and Jags are playing well, with Neville in front of them.
63 Posted 11/04/2011 at 20:38:01
Surley for the money we paid, Moyes must have watched him, or had him watched numerous times.
64 Posted 11/04/2011 at 20:38:20
Err, isn't that the point? After two seasons Bily has still not 'demonstrated' that he can play in this team, or even this league. He's basically been a passenger since he came to the club. Playing him in the centre is not going to miraculously transform him into a world beater all of a sudden. Sometimes you simply have to accept it didn't work out, and cut your losses while you still can.
65 Posted 11/04/2011 at 20:53:23
In fact, Pienaar was voted Player of the Season playing on the the left and again played there this season, right up until he left in the January window.
Of course Moyes had Bily watched and he was brilliant, still is when given time and space, but he is denied that more often than not in this league; IMO that's why we only ever see flashes from him.
66 Posted 11/04/2011 at 21:24:58
What I can't understand is, why you would pay a fair wack of cash on a player who has impressed you playing in a certain role, only then not to play him in that role, that he has impressed you in, even though Moyes has had plenty of opportunities to have played him in that position?
67 Posted 11/04/2011 at 21:25:54
68 Posted 11/04/2011 at 21:42:41
69 Posted 11/04/2011 at 21:53:14
We have players who far too often cannot follow these criteria: Fellaini, Arteta, Osman, Bily, Anichebe and Cahill do not have a turn of speed and that is why we have been struggling as a team to compete because the only way to compensate for that is to be a better tackling and passing side, which we are not.
70 Posted 12/04/2011 at 21:55:38
I wish I would have checked in quicker to see your post. But life dictates other responsibilities....
I completely take your point on Osman. He's been fantastic in the middle. Currently with the squad we have, playing Bily in the middle would most likely see Osman out wide.
But that does not mean that Bily should be playing out wide as his default position under "normal" circumstances. And frankly that's been his slotted position by Moyes.
Look, I don't have all the answers. All I am saying is that Bily would play best behind the striker(s) and Osman is most effective in the middle. That does not equate to slating Moyes for playing guys out of position.
But... he has. All season long. And that is a very valid and factual criticism of our Manager. A Manager I like, but whom frustrates me often.
I do not call for Moyes's removal. But I do criticize him when he starts Osman out wide on the wing for the season opener, and many, many times after that, when we have a near fully fit side and numerous other line-up options.
That's it. And again I'd argue you can't over complicate it. It's just so damn obvious.
If you'd like the littany of things I think Moyes has done superbly I'll be more than happy to relate. But it's a long list. As are his shortcomings. But I'll take him as Manager and I like him as Manager ? cliffnoted finish....
Finally, don't say I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth. You're more than intelligent enough to figure this out and realize what I'm saying makes sense.
71 Posted 12/04/2011 at 22:16:00
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