A few stats for you. Ossie now has 3 goals and 6 assists in the current Premier League campaign, from just 15 starts. Compare this with the late unlamented Steven Pienaar, who has just 1 goal and 1 assist in 23 starts for Everton and Spurs. What I've noticed in recent games is that Osman's been doing a great job of creating scoring opportunities for himself. Pienaar could never have scored a goal like Osman's against Villa.
Ossie's contribution goes beyond goals and assists. In the 15 games he's started we've got 29 points, compared with 18 points in the 18 games where he hasn't started. Nor is this just down to our revival since the new year. Three of our four wins before Christmas came when Osman was in the starting XI.
Not too much can be read into this kind of stat, because there are always lots of different factors contributing to the team's result. For me, it reinforces the impression that Osman has become more than just a hard worker: his overall contribution and influence on the game is as great as it's ever been, and there's no doubt that he's been instrumental in our recent good run of results.
Nick Wall, Posted 17/04/2011 at 09:18:18
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1 Posted 17/04/2011 at 17:44:49
If we filter out those who have started less than a handful of games, then Osman tops this list impressively, while Pienaar is rock-bottom ? and look who he has for company? Restarts the whole Cahill argument...
Personally, I think it is condemnation for Moyes's poor management in the first half of the season, continually selecting players who were out of form.
2 Posted 17/04/2011 at 18:08:45
Just take a look at the chalkboards of the game yesterday. His level of involvement is significantly higher than that of his fellow midfielders... the one criticism would be that in and around the box he seems a little wasteful.
We know he can get shrugged off the ball a little easily and we know sometimes his end product isn't quite there... however, for me this criticism is what separates him from a top 10 in the Premier League player to a top 4 player.
For Everton, in their current position, he's an excellent asset for the club... and I for one am ever so glad he's in our squad. He's got a good turn of feet, he can play his way out of tight positions... and those players are few and far between in our squad.
Long may his run of form continue!
3 Posted 17/04/2011 at 18:38:17
It's nice to see him thriving whilst Mr Pienaar shall be looking at no more than warming a bench for a good while yet, reinforcing our shout about the grass is not always greener.
4 Posted 17/04/2011 at 18:47:24
'NOT A PREMIER LEAGUE PLAYER'
Neither are world class, they both have limitations and can both at times (not regularly mind) be below average.
But to claim they are not of Premier League standard is absurd. Especially with the performances put in lately by both (especially the latter) in recent games.
What is this mystical Premier League standard that they do not meet, because Leon especially has won us more points than he has lost us during his career. What League 1 or Championship player could replace them?
Can we finally put this awful phrase in the bin (or until Anichebe next plays).
5 Posted 17/04/2011 at 20:09:48
During his career, Osman has often come in very useful when we want to take maximum points off sides in the bottom half of the Premiership. Many times I have seen him mastermind the comfortable defeats of the likes of West Brom. Therefore the statements about him not being Premiership standard when, on average he scores 6 goals a season, are daft.
6 Posted 17/04/2011 at 20:28:13
Even in the midst of an analysis praising a player who our manager has stuck by when most others (notably the comment poster himself) had repeatedly rejected, MK can't resist having a dig at Moyes.
"Personally, I think it is condemnation for Moyes's poor management in the first half of the season, continually selecting players who were out of form."
So when the players are poor that's Moyes bad management but when they play well it's down to their own mercurial brilliance presumably?
7 Posted 17/04/2011 at 20:40:20
Hibbert - Jagielka - Baines - Distin
Coleman - Osman - Rodwell - Neville - Bily
Subs: Gueye - Heitinga -Arteta - Cahill - Anichebe
Which, barring Cahill and Arteta being fully recovered and fresh is pretty much what Moyes will start with I'd guess, not that he has too much choice like!
8 Posted 17/04/2011 at 20:56:01
If you were manager at Birmingham, Newcastle, etc, you'd do a lot worse than sign a player like Osman. It would be interesting to have a value on him?
The other thing with Ossie ? he always looks great in the sunshine shifting bigger players around the pitch with close control and clever movement. Although I remember him having a stormer in the heavy downpour at White Heart Lane a good few years ago ? think Stubbs scored as well.
Pienaar always flattered to deceive, and will never play for a big club as he is nearly player: nearly scored, nearly played the man in, etc. He has a good engine on him ? but was never quite as good as he thinks he is. He suited us and we suited him.
9 Posted 17/04/2011 at 21:20:53
Quality performances but as said earlier, massive test to come at Utd then City over the next few weeks.
10 Posted 17/04/2011 at 21:49:11
Okay, go for it....start slagging me off...
11 Posted 17/04/2011 at 22:42:02
12 Posted 17/04/2011 at 23:05:54
I think Ossie has proved his worth at Europa League level so he could probably do a job for England in certain matches.
For many years I have thought it was and is a disgrace he's never been called up. Not once. In 2004/05 he was awesome but didn't get anything. In recent seasons he has been played out of position and his development stagnated. Gareth Barry and Scott Parker got chances - Leon deserved a couple.
The stats show he is more effective than Aaron Lennon yet the latter gets games regularly and does very little.
Unlike Mikel, it's not as if those ahead of Leon are doing the job well.
13 Posted 17/04/2011 at 23:34:00
Give me strength. Cahill was top scorer during that period of time! Your comments are just moronic in the extreme.
14 Posted 17/04/2011 at 21:49:11
Okay, go for it....start slagging me off...
15 Posted 17/04/2011 at 23:56:19
As far as the national side go, they will always be a bunch of stuck up gobshites with the same old tired faces chosen week after week; earlier this season Parker gave West Ham a decent shot at staying up whilst Barry has done fuck all yet who gets the nod? It's always been the case over the decades, same old favourites, if Osman was never to get a call up I wouldn't lose sleep over it as that side is just a bunch of whingeing losers full of the slimiest examples of mankind going.
16 Posted 18/04/2011 at 00:17:17
17 Posted 18/04/2011 at 00:30:10
18 Posted 18/04/2011 at 02:57:00
I'd love him to prove me wrong but he won't. Come next season he'll still be too slow and too weak.
19 Posted 18/04/2011 at 04:33:01
When we have a fit squad he is traditionally left on the bench and may not make an appearance for weeks at a time. The fact that he's never shown interest in moving to a different club where he could be the main man shows a nice bit of loyalty that is rare these days.
And he ain't half bad either.
20 Posted 18/04/2011 at 05:21:36
Osman does seem to be playing really well now. Perhaps this is because sat on the bench he saw his career slipping away. When he got on the pitch he grabbed the chance with both hands. It will be interesting to see how it works out for him.
As for the bit MK said about questioning Moyes management in the first half, hasn't Moyes more or less said the same himself?
21 Posted 18/04/2011 at 07:58:37
Michael's match report was IMO very harsh on Leon mostly because he skied a few. Not really a problem for me as having a player who shoot's from distance causes a whole different set of problems for defence's who are used to dealing with the work it to the left and cross routine.
The biggest compliment I can pay him is that his performance in the second half of this season has been the difference of about 5-8 league places.
If he were to carry this on throughout the remaining games he would have my vote for player of the season. He's only one of our creative player's who has consistently tried to pass the ball forwards, something that Arteta hasn't done all season.
For me this also set's us up nicely for next season as we now know we have options.
22 Posted 18/04/2011 at 00:17:17
23 Posted 18/04/2011 at 09:14:27
24 Posted 18/04/2011 at 09:24:11
25 Posted 18/04/2011 at 09:26:41
"Moyes's management in the first have of the season was abysmal and with a different coach we could be playing Champions league football next season."
I agree that Moyes's management of the team in the first half of the season was questionable, but to state that we would be playing Champions League football next season with a different coach is a very bold statement and equally questionable.
As you have not qualified your statement, it effectively reads that we would have got CL football with anyone else in charge. Do you honestly believe that? Another manager may have done better at the start of the season, but then they may have done worse in the second half. Who knows?
As for Osman, we are all quick on this site to pour scorn on players when they are out of form so I would like to join all the others in congratulating Ossie for his recent performances.
26 Posted 18/04/2011 at 09:52:26
As for MK's comment about Moyes, taken in isolation it does seem a bit odd. But the truth is this season, no matter how it ends, has been a disappointment and in my mind that is down to Moyes. We started with pretty much a full complement of players and yet again we only start to perform when expectations are lowered. I have a lot of respect and gratitude for the man but he HAS to take a step upwards to handling greater expectations and not just relishing life as a perennial underdog.
27 Posted 18/04/2011 at 10:39:32
28 Posted 18/04/2011 at 11:23:31
Long may it continue and next weekend he´ll get his chance to prove that he can perform against top sides as well. That is another obstacle as he has turned out too weak against the top teams in previous outings.
29 Posted 18/04/2011 at 11:30:23
If anything I'd say he raises his game against the big sides and goes missing too often against poor physical opposition, although he has bucked that trend recently.
30 Posted 18/04/2011 at 12:46:13
31 Posted 18/04/2011 at 12:47:31
Would you rather have those 3 in your team, or Balotelli and Torres who are undoubtedly world class players but who have both wrecked their seasons by behaving like spoilt 3-year-olds?
32 Posted 18/04/2011 at 13:32:46
Just like all those 'Moyes out we're definitely getting relegated' moaners have lost several decibels of volume!!
I say keep Ossie exactly where he is.
Next season's team:
Hibbert Jags Distin Baines
Coleman Neville Fellaini Arteta/Gueye
33 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:01:33
We have some very tough looking games coming up: United, City, Chelsea, so let's hope he continues, and some other players up tempo, as well, so that we can enjoy a good run-in.
34 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:22:38
The facts speak for themselves and he?s a liability.
Get shut in the summer I say and cash in on him.
35 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:24:58
36 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:48:15
37 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:54:36
38 Posted 18/04/2011 at 15:00:17
39 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:59:33
40 Posted 18/04/2011 at 19:02:55
41 Posted 21/04/2011 at 17:53:32
He plays the way the shite wish joe cole would play. I bet if cole had Ossies run of form he'd be in the national squad for the next game.
Anthony @ 37, fantastic, you summed it up in two made up words! Quality.
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