Although the recent good form is great to see after a season which promised more, if Everton exceed expectations from January when players were loaned out in case of a low league place fear, will that mean that Moyes will have a transfer budget in the summer?
Or does it matter not where they finish: 5th, 6th or 17th ? there will be no money?
Surely Moyes must see the incentive for a high league place to get him something of a transfer budget?
Jamie Carroll, Posted 17/04/2011 at 21:47:34
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1 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:26:43
2 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:24:50
How much goes to the debt and how much Moyes gets to strengthen our small squad is anyone's guess.
3 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:41:48
The one fact that comes out of all the 'smokescreen' bunkum we are expected to believe. DM has a completely no-lose position: he cannot be blamed for any defeats because he has no financial back-up... and, if we do well and finish above most sides, then he is seen as a messiah!! Fishes and bread come to mind!!
4 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:48:52
5 Posted 18/04/2011 at 14:57:12
6 Posted 18/04/2011 at 15:11:53
7 Posted 18/04/2011 at 15:10:00
Unless we reinvest in new players, we will continue to fall behind Spurs, Man City and the RS and even Villa if they get a decent manager.
So those who continue to be happy with mid-table can continue to suffer a mixed season of results with nothing to show for it except Premier League survival.
I personally see us as a top 4 club that is currently lost at sea not knowing which direction to go ? which is unacceptable for a club with our pedigree.
8 Posted 18/04/2011 at 15:51:17
It also exceeds the amount of money they pay him to do the job.
9 Posted 18/04/2011 at 16:30:42
10 Posted 18/04/2011 at 16:49:40
a) A flat sum paid to all clubs equally, in August and September;
b) Appearance fees for games selected for "live" broadcast;
c) The League Placement prize money you refer to.
So yes, the higher league placing does yield more money... but, in the overall scheme of things, the quantum is not so significant.
11 Posted 18/04/2011 at 17:00:57
12 Posted 18/04/2011 at 17:01:41
13 Posted 18/04/2011 at 17:07:08
Part of the 'anti-Moyes brigade' (and a few other 'brigades' that...I forget).
A member of the 'Kenwright haters' (they came in search of paradi....oh wait that's Bounty).
And the 'Moyes haters'.
Now it seems (Tim Spring-1) because of my views, I'm also a 'doom and gloom MERCHANT'.
Don't get me wrong, I have NO problem with the sentiments at all (particularly as I see them as the opinions of the..um..'less illuminated') but aren't these little Daily Mail-style phrases in need of..erm..'freshening up'?
I'm NOT asking for ANYONE to change their opinion, just...express them a little more creatively.
I mean why ALWAYS a brigade?
Why not a battalion or a legion?
How about the 'Anti-Moyes corps'?
Or "the division division"
Or maybe use regiment or Infantry or just....something.....fucking........new.
14 Posted 18/04/2011 at 17:37:07
15 Posted 18/04/2011 at 17:29:22
2 Fellaini - £11M (?15M) can't play a full season (this season 20 matches, last 21 matches), plays only a handful of really good matches, the rest average at best. Not worth ?15M. Don't see how any one could proclaim he is.. the fact is he will never play a full season anywhere pretty self evident since it got to the premier league.
3 Bily - needs to go back to Russia, not good enough for the premier league and a shocking price paid for him 11 m
This summer, we need to sell all 3 and be done with them, and get that other fraudster Anichebe on the transfer list too!
Yak ? £2/3M max, can't see how Leicester would pay more for him.
Fellaini ? sell to the biggest paying fool £15/20M to Chelsea or Man Utd... in the knowledge he won't last a full season ? is good business.
Right there, without selling Rodwell, is at least £25/30M, even with money take off for loans, he still as around £10/15M for replacements..not as if we'll truly miss any of those players being sold (18 games a season without a Fella is hardly missing him, since he only really performs well in a handful of matches)
Bily ? £5/6M to any Russian or European teams interested... adjust price for the biggest teams.
16 Posted 18/04/2011 at 18:24:43
17 Posted 18/04/2011 at 18:22:27
18 Posted 18/04/2011 at 18:30:04
Can't agree your assessment of Fellaini. He's a different class to most of the first team and would flourish in a richly assembled side.
Come this summer expect several bids for him and Rodwell, but nice to hear both of them expressing how happy they are at the club.
19 Posted 18/04/2011 at 18:23:20
20 Posted 18/04/2011 at 20:18:30
For once and for all - get it into your head that we CANNOT afford to get rid of Anichebe - why ever would we waste our own hard-earned cash paying some club to take him from us?
21 Posted 18/04/2011 at 20:57:59
I agree with Andy Crooks. I think we should persevere with Bily. Malouda and Nani are both players who looked hopeless in their first couple of seasons (hell even Ronaldo flattered to deceive early on at Old Trafford) but have come good over time. Bily scored his way out of trouble last season yet this one I find it hard to criticize him when he's not had enough game time or been played in the right position.
In general, I'd rather we kept him than took a loss on him. Given that the departure of a certain Mikel Arteta is getting closer and closer (either because he decides he wants a big pay day or because of his age) so we need creative players on stand by. Gueye might be one but Bily is further down that road.
22 Posted 18/04/2011 at 21:40:57
We have one of the smallest squads with probably the youngest bench in the football league...we loan out players by the cart load and transfer assets (players) for buttons or lose them by mismanagement (Gosling)...
Suddenly its forgotten that Peanuts was our best player during Arteta's prolonged absence... now, luckily, Ozzie has stepped into the breach and saved the board and DM a lot of embarrassment.
Every place in the league is worth money and the higher we finish the more we earn so how is it possible that our BLIND board can allow our assets to be frittered away???
It's pure luck that Ossie regained his form in the nick of time and Baines has got through a season without a big injury... because we have no cover for him and never have since Lescott left. We are like Blondin treading a tight rope and BK must be linked to the devil to be able to get away with total mismanagement annually.
I reckon that a lot of our fans must be amazed at how the team has turned the season around without so many established first teamers being available... EFC moves in mysterious ways!!!!
23 Posted 18/04/2011 at 21:59:50
24 Posted 18/04/2011 at 22:01:27
EFC were one of the "big 5" who set up the Premier league in 1990 led by Phil Carter. Just because we havent won the league (or looked like since) does not take away our historic record of the 4th most successful team in history.
Even Liverpool have not won the Premier League but it does not stop them beng talked about as "one of the biggest clubs in the world".
My statement wasnt intended to be one of optimism more one of aspiration and a statement of intent that should be emanating from the club.
25 Posted 18/04/2011 at 22:21:11
This year I will endeavour not to get incredibly excited when we are linked with a whole host of players who would be fantastic signings.
I promise not to believe a single word that the chairman, owner or chief exec utter about exciting signings, or the annual 'every spare penny goes to the manager'.
And finally, i won't be disappointed when we sell our family jewels to finance our debt and Moyes is left with a week to spend a treasure chest of £7M.
Oh and I'll be made up that Kenwright has no news on selling the club and is here for the foreseeable future.
Up the Blues!!
26 Posted 18/04/2011 at 23:11:39
This was the first I 'd heard of a potential new signing called Mussi so i googles him and discovered who you must have meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Mussi. He fits the mould for a Moyes purchase ;-0
27 Posted 19/04/2011 at 00:33:49
I agree that Bily would look a different player in the Cahill role, but so does Osman, and he will always be behind Ossie & Cahill.
28 Posted 19/04/2011 at 01:40:25
29 Posted 19/04/2011 at 03:24:12
30 Posted 19/04/2011 at 06:47:13
31 Posted 19/04/2011 at 07:47:32
32 Posted 19/04/2011 at 10:12:14
33 Posted 19/04/2011 at 11:10:08
Unless we qualify for the champions league, I don't think the money we make from a higher league placing will even make a dent in the debt Kenwright has run up.
34 Posted 19/04/2011 at 11:49:20
35 Posted 19/04/2011 at 14:13:59
36 Posted 19/04/2011 at 17:27:52
Did Kenwright say the club had budgeted to finish 7th this season? I'm hoping we have cash to spend but I very much doubt it unless we sell players.
37 Posted 19/04/2011 at 19:33:28
Think like Kenwright mate - small time.
Of course our finish will not generate a transfer kitty, but it will pay the managers wages.
By virtually guaranteeing top half finishes, Moyes pays for himself. Thats why Kenwright loves him so
38 Posted 20/04/2011 at 19:21:09
39 Posted 21/04/2011 at 02:19:43
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