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Damning analysis of Bily

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I watched today's game on Sky Sports and was amazed at the analysis of Bily's performance today. I have never heard such negative analysis of a player on Sky, but the pundits were right in what they said. The commentator stated that the game was passing him by, and later that he didn't appear to be enjoying playing, and Chris Coleman added that he had contributed nothing in attack or defense. At half-time, Jamie Redknapp was asked how Moyes could change things, and he called it right by saying Moyes should get Bily off at half time ? which Moyes did.

A common defense of Bily is that he isn't a winger, but that doesn't wash with me. He was playing at Old Trafford in front of 70,000, with millions around the world watching. If he can't motivate himself for that, playing in his right position or not, he shouldn't be a footballer. I can accept any player having a bad game, but the least I expect is 100% commitment.

This lad's a waste of space, and it's not the 1st time he's stunk the house out. The occasional 30 yarder should not conceal his lack of effort/commitment etc. I hope someone in Russia is daft enough to buy him from us, because no-one in Europe will give him a go that's for sure.
Danny Broderick, St Albans     Posted 23/04/2011 at 22:17:14

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Mikhail Ridhuan
1   Posted 24/04/2011 at 03:07:56

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Absolutely damn right. I've always said that Bily had tons of ability but his footballing mind is but a slow crawl. The guy cannot dictate, cannot read, cannot impose himself on the game. I was flabbergasted by his performance yesterday. He looked like he didn't care. And that... that is unforgivable.
James Bernard
2   Posted 24/04/2011 at 06:21:17

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I regularly come to Bily's defence on Toffeeweb but I am starting to lose heart. I will always say he should be tried in the middle but he should at least try to preform when he's getting a game on the left.

I will say, however, that a player capable of creating the spectacular in a split second should be persisted with and maybe Moyes may yet find a way to get the best out of him (lethal shots and killer through-balls seem to be his best assets).
Tommy Byrne
3   Posted 24/04/2011 at 06:28:58

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I watched as Bily had two markers and they never gave him any space. He looked all at sea playing down the left. He is not the speedy winger aka Donavan type player we need. He does how ever possess the ability to use both feet and pass the ball more than 10 yards.

If I am critical of anyone it has to be Rodwell. He is a sideways player; very rarely does he carry it forward or go past anyone. He plays safe by playing to feet but never into space. We go forward, we go sideways, we go back and then we give the ball away from a long hoof to nobody.

I thought we were lucky to only lose 1-0. Our top speed is 1st gear and Utd were always in 3rd gear sometimes 4th and then overdrive. Their speed of movement compared to us made us look second rate.

Utd are in a different class to us. Surely if they are they benchmark then why are we not aspiring to that level? We have a good team and a good manager but will never be able to compete at the required level when we play like this.

John Audsley
4   Posted 24/04/2011 at 07:26:04

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He is a cert to leave in the summer.

It's weird because I have no idea what position he was bought for. He stated when he arrived that he was not a LW and we had a lot CMs at the time. I think he has played CM once or twice. He has a great shot but no heart or workrate and in a Moyes team that's the ultimate sin. A shame... but, if we got £6M for him, I'd say we where lucky.
Paul Rice
5   Posted 24/04/2011 at 07:51:08

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Any player that doesn't end the game in a pool of sweat needs an arse kicking if you ask me.

That boy is fresh enough for a night out after most games.
Lee Courtliff
6   Posted 24/04/2011 at 08:35:17

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I've always defended him but sadly even I am starting to lose heart. I just don't understand why he gets played on the left?

I am not using that as an excuse for him... he just didn't look up for it yesterday. And that is down to nobody but himself. So much talent as well. Damn shame we only see it once in a while.
Norman Merrill
7   Posted 24/04/2011 at 09:01:23

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After yesterdays performance by the Russian, even his mother could not put up any defence. It makes me wonder what did Dave Moyes see in him to spend whatever fee was involved? Or did the lad's agent do a great deal? He does show some ability but nowhere near enough to be playing in the Premier League.
John Keating
8   Posted 24/04/2011 at 09:01:02

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Lee and James ? sorry, guys, but you are trying to make excuses for him. Let's get this straight: even if a player is played out of position, he should at least be able to pass a ball, he should be able to track back, make a tackle TRY!!! Bily does none of those things. It's not just a one-off ? he is consistently poor. The odd occassional goal cannot make up for the continual dross.

Everton cannot afford to have 10 players against 11 ? against any team. I have been on Bily's case since his first game. He never looked right for this league. I started off slagging him but gave up when so many started with the excuses. It's Moyes's fault playing him out of position etc etc... Sorry, Moyes's fault was buying him in the first place!

Paul Gladwell
9   Posted 24/04/2011 at 09:08:42

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Could not agree more, it makes you wonder what Moyes had in mind when he bought him as he was apparantley watching for a year or two before he decided to waste our cash.
Mick Wrende
10   Posted 24/04/2011 at 09:42:41

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Bily is nowhere near good enough for the Prem so there is no point in slagging him off. Moyes should take the blame for signing a dud with our precious money. Not only that but he has played him out of position which is unfair. We just need to get shut... and while we are at it, let's get rid of Moyes too after that dire tactical performance yesterday. We needed to win so he plays for 0-0 and as usual we got beat. 4 wins out of 38 against United is simply not good enough.
Andy Codling
11   Posted 24/04/2011 at 09:56:58

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This guy is total and utter shite, but what makes it worse is his complete lack of effort. Moyes should be embarrassed that he sponked £10 million up the wall on this phoney. It amazes me that players like this and Anichebe can earn over £20 grand a week. No wonder football is shite these days.
David Hallwood
12   Posted 24/04/2011 at 09:54:20

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I think, because money is so tight at GP, Moyes looks for utility players that can play in several positions. Bily did come with a big reputation and was recommended by Gus Hiddink, so he can't be that bad but IMHO it's a case of wrong team, wrong league, wrong position ? in fact, wrong everything.

Ship the lad back to Russia, he wouldn't be the 1st player to have a nightmare transfer and go back and resurrect his career...
Alan Clarke
13   Posted 24/04/2011 at 10:10:35

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The thing is even if he is being played out of position, he is still shite. Out on the wing, he actually finds himself in far more space than if he was central. He still fucks up with his dithering on the ball. He would be even worse (if that's possible) centrally. A lot of people have been reluctant to slag the guy off saying he needs a run in the team. He's had one and, apart from his goal, he's been embarrassingly bad.

Moyes didn't scout him, he signed him on a tip off from Hiddink. I don't think Moyes expected Lescott to go and suddenly found himself with £24M to spend and very little time to spend it. We're not in a position to waste that amount of money.
Duncan McDine
14   Posted 24/04/2011 at 10:03:14

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He's a player that was available when we had some cash... he certainly wasn't going to be our long coveted winger. Even with the run of games he's been handed, and a screamer the other week, his confidence is rock bottom. Move him on, and see if we can get a few quid.

Moyes has a history of wasting the little money we have... fortunately he's pulled out some cheap buys over the years.
Colin Malone
15   Posted 24/04/2011 at 10:26:59

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I'll agree with you, Danny, when I see Bily play shite in his rightful position, i.e. Ossie on the wing, Jags in midfield, Fellaini playing behind the front man, ALL as bad as Bily.

THE MAJOR PROBLEM: we do not have a ball-winning midfielder since Carsley left and it's no coincidence the amount of pressure on our defence and midfield. Oh for a Joe Parkinson or a Barry Horne who where already at the club, when big Joe arrived??

Eugene Ruane
16   Posted 24/04/2011 at 10:45:33

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I remember looking at a YouTube compilation of him just after we signed him and thinking 'world-beater'. I'm now (seriously!) thinking some kind of 'switch' was pulled. Also agree absolutely with Paul Rice (4).
Kevin Gillen
17   Posted 24/04/2011 at 10:49:18

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That was a new low for him. He was absolutely rank against Arsenal earlier this year.
Mike Allison
18   Posted 24/04/2011 at 11:04:28

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Colin, do you mean "Oh for a midfielder that can't really play football"?

Fellaini is three times the ball winner that any of those guys were. Don't get confused because he doesn't charge round sticking big tackles in, you just can't do that anymore. Fellaini constantly converts loose and contestable balls into our possession, he's exactly the midfielder you need in today's game. Horne, Carsley and Parkinson may not be long ago, but they're a throwback and a massive step backwards from what we've got at the club.

The only current comparable players I can think of to them are Scott Parker, who chose the Newcastle graveyard dollar when he could have come to us, and has more talent than any of them anyway, and Lee Cattermole, who gets booked and sent off on a regular basis because he tries to win the ball by using old-fashioned, off-his-feet tackling.

What we need are a variety of creative attacking midfielders, including wingers, to give us options in changing games. We currently have the Russian misfit, Ossie and Cahill, who both have their significant limitations, for the central position, and a still-developing full-back in Seamus Coleman, with Gueye as last ditch back-up.

Compare this to Tottenham who have Lennon, Bale and Van der Vaart, backed up by Krancjar, Modric and Pienaar, and Bentley out on loan. We were finishing above them every year until recently, and they've spent money on these positions, whereas we've completely failed to pick up even free and bargain players such Pennant and Etherington, among many others, who would at least give us a different dimension.

David Hallwood
19   Posted 24/04/2011 at 11:22:24

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Good point, Mike (#17) ? BTW as a sort of link, have any of you noticed that Spurs' last two games against the Arse & West Brom, they've used a three subs and Pienaar was left on the bench?

God told you to go for the dollar and the splinters, eh Ste?
Kunal Desai
20   Posted 24/04/2011 at 11:13:29

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I find it hard to believe that Moyes took Guus Hiddink's advice before buying him. Looks like Moyes was taken for a mug.

As a club we cannot carry passengers in this team and certainly not those that have one good game in about 20. Get half the money back on him, cut our losses and, along with the Yak & Heitinga, get a few quid in the coffers to strengthen in other areas.

Colin Malone
21   Posted 24/04/2011 at 12:02:07

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Mike (#17):
I'm astonished. Fellaini a ball winner better than Parkinson or Horne? Why have all teams been walking through our midfield all season?

It's improved since Neville has been in the holding role. The first thing I look for in a holding midfield is breaking the opposition's attack before it get to our defence, which Parkinson did brilliantly.

Felliani ain't a ball winner and lacks pace. He would fit in well in a team that keeps possession, eg, Arsenal, or Barcelona.

Mike Gwyer
22   Posted 24/04/2011 at 13:00:50

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Kunal (#19):

Guus Hiddinks is the man that advised Moyes about Bily. Fact.

With Cahill, Fellaini and Arteta all injured, then Moyes had little option other than play Bily. Personally, I would say that with all the twitter chat that Bily seems to be generating concerning transfer talks, plus the extremely poor performances in his past 3 EPL games (if you want to lord him for his goal, then great, but he has done absolutely fuck all else), we will hopefully see the end of him very soon.
David Heaton
23   Posted 24/04/2011 at 13:11:03

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Totally agree about the performance of Bily, he is just not up to the task, he?s been given countless chances and failed to deliver.

I can?t help but note also that Hibbert seems to stay under the radar of most fans, his performance against United was appalling: he failed to stop crosses, was caught ball-watching countless times, had no idea where United players were. Was so scared he came in-field so another defender had to do his job. Just kept hanging a leg out as the ball whizzed past him, failed to defend the far post, once when they nearly scored and Howard had to make a brilliant save and again when they did score he was caught under the ball and out jumped by a player who is not much taller than him.

All-in-all, a total waste of space, the same as Bily, and should be emptied out in the summer. If he was, he will never again play in the Premier League but as Moyes loves him: as he only has to pay him a 1st Division player's wage, he won?t let him go.

Lee Courtliff
24   Posted 24/04/2011 at 13:37:58

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John Keating (#7) ? How am I defending him? I said it was his fault he wasn't up for the match!

I only asked why he was played on the left when he obviously isn't up to it! He never will be either. Play him on the right where he can cut in and shoot or play him centrally just to see if he can handle it.

But never on the left. Just play anyone out there instead... Gueye or some other raw kid.
John Keating
25   Posted 24/04/2011 at 14:40:13

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Lee ? to answer your question by stating that you don't understand why Moyes plays him on the left, you imply he's better on the right or centre or somewhere else. As I said, it is totally immaterial where you play Bily: left, right or centre ? he is absolutely useless.

We do not have a team that can have the luxury of "trying" someone. Playing left, right or centre when he has the ball he's lost. If you can't pass to a player when you're wide right then, in my book, you can't pass to a player if you're wide left or centre!!

The guy is out of his depth in this league. How many more chances does he want ?

Ian Robert
26   Posted 24/04/2011 at 15:05:36

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DEFENCE, it's DEFENCE... aarrgh!
Ciarán McGlone
27   Posted 24/04/2011 at 15:09:35

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Moyes continues to play him out of position ? even when it's obvious he's not a winger ? and has been for two years.

Deja vu... damned to repeat the same mistakes for eternity.
Michael Rowland
28   Posted 24/04/2011 at 15:02:36

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Just to add to Bily's poor performance. Rodwell was totally useless again. One run and shot and that was it. The man walks and jogs round the pitch.

Please, Moyes, get what money you can for this very very overated "prospect". According to stats he has played 87 games for us and I could count on one hand his good games...

Karl Meighan
29   Posted 24/04/2011 at 14:47:37

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Just a couple of points:

1) Bily is played out of position? Now I have to believe, before he signs a player, the manager knows what position he plays and also that he would ask the player what position is his best.

2) Hiddink advised Moyes on the signing? I have to believe Moyes didn't buy the player based on a YouTube video or just on Hiddink's say-so.

It's obvious imo that he has no future at the club and has been for some time. The up-and-coming youngsters, players who have a chance, should have been given his shirt in order for Moyes and the fans to have a better look once it was certain relegation was avoided. If a decent fee is available he should be one of the first out the door to fund incoming transfers.

Producing something good once in fifteen games is simply not good enough and a luxury we can certainly not afford We cannot afford to spend the best part of £10M and wait two years for a player to produce the goods, which in the case of Bily is unlikely to happen anyway.

I don't think I have ever seen a player with such a poor footballing brain, he exposes the fullback time and time again and has little if any positional sense at all. He may struggle with the language and pace of the game even but he lacks in effort which is the least most Evertonians expect.

Trevor Mackie
30   Posted 24/04/2011 at 15:39:45

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If Hiddink says he's good, that'll do for me. I feel sorry for the lad, he's clearly given up, bemused at what passes for a football team under Moyes. His agent must have been real pissed with him during transfer negotiations....

"Yeh, Moyes is the next Man U manager, LMA awards coming out of his arse ? Champions League qualifer, FA Cup Finalist ? d'ya know what punching above yer weight means?"

"No," says Bily,

"Read this shit supporters write on something called Toffeeweb ? that'll tell yer" the agent replies.

"Wow, they like stats don't they. BTW what is hoofball?" enquires Bily.

"Don't worry about that ? sign here; press hard, three copies" says the agent calculating his percentage on this and the likely next transfer once Bily twigs.

The lad's got technique... but he's alone in a team of Moyes's donkeys, he'd do ok at clubs that have other forward players.
Alan Clarke
31   Posted 24/04/2011 at 16:42:57

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Trevor (30) i've read some shite on here over the years. I think you've just spouted the biggest shite I've read. Well done.

Bily is playing in a team of "Moyes's donkeys" yet stands out as the biggest donkey of the lot.
Trevor Mackie
32   Posted 24/04/2011 at 16:54:53

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Thanks for that ? pity my record of the "biggest shite" only lasted 5 mins ? well done.
Mike Gwyer
33   Posted 24/04/2011 at 17:47:53

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Trevor ? #30 & #32:

Please enlighten me, where did you see the good stuff that you believe Bily is keeping up his sleeve? I've seen this lad playing with Arteta, the big Fella and Pienaar, so you can forget about your hoof ball with these players, and he was still shite. Hiddink maybe able to spot a footballer from 10 miles but he's not fully up on the requirements for the EPL.

And secondly, why degrade EFC about hoofball when we are at least 5 senior players short and we are playing at Old Trafford ? where you never get a penalty, you concede freekicks for fucking breathing and can guarantee about 4,000 minutes injury time?
Mike Oates
34   Posted 24/04/2011 at 18:11:57

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All this talk about Bily being a gifted centre-midfielder. He hasn't ever got to grip with the pace and tenacity of the Premier League. He wouldn't stand a chance in centre-midfield if he was ever tried there. The likes of Cattermole, Fletcher, Essien, Song and probably another 10 Premier League midfielders would eat him alive. He's too slow and too weak.

Bye bye, Bily!!!
Trevor Mackie
35   Posted 24/04/2011 at 18:22:03

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Mike @ 33

If you've made your mind up he's shite because of what happens at our club, I don't think the fact he's a Russian international, was a a star player at Lokomotive, scores goals that no other player at Everton can, or the Hiddink approval will change your mind.

There's lots of footage on YouTube demonstrating he's a player and it's my opinion that the dearth of gifted players around him, the lack of options from a plodding defensive unit leaves him exposed.

Where he's played with decent teams he's been good, but he's not a Stephen Gerard conductor of the orchestra he's an accomplished component. I maintain if he was at Arsenal or ManU he'd look the player Hiddink rates but at teams like us, Wolves, Stoke etc he clearly doesn't fit.

Which raises the question about Moyes knowing what his team needs.
Mike Gwyer
36   Posted 24/04/2011 at 18:49:04

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Trevor #33.

The star points you give for the lad mean little when he is continually fucking up on the pitch. Over the past 3 season's I've seen him score maybe three goals from distance but contribute little else to the team ? in other cases, he just disappears, give the ball away (a lot) or play hospital balls that must piss off his team mates.

But Trevor, once again you get shitty about EFC, talking about plodders in our defensive unit and labling Everton with the likes of Wolves & Stoke? Why?

No team has won at Old Trafford this season, but Moyes gave it his best shot with the players he had available. He came up short, why slag it off? We do not have the players that SAF has, we have the likes of Bily, so let's be hopeful that Moyes don't go player shoping at Lokomotive or ask Hiddink for some help in finding players.
Danny Broderick
37   Posted 24/04/2011 at 19:38:43

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Colin (15),

You say, 'Ossie on the wing, Jags in midfield, Fellaini playing behind the front man, ALL as bad as Bily.' ? The difference is, they at least do their best and have all been effective to a degree ? they have had good & bad games being played out of position. I've never seen Billy have a good game. It's not talent that's lacking, it's application.

A few people have also had a go at Rodwell, and I also think he is not fulfilling his potential. He was also anonymous against United's reserve centre-mids yesterday. I really hoped yesterday would be the day he steps up to the plate, on the big stage, but it just hasn't happened. Don't worry about him going to United in the summer at this rate ? they wouldn't be interested unless his form improves dramatically.

Trevor Mackie
38   Posted 24/04/2011 at 20:07:38

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We're crap. This is as good as it gets ? 7th, blown out of the cups shamefully and as dull as dish water.

Now people can choose to accept it, even say it's not crap; I don't. I think the Moyes influence on creative players is akin to the Bermuda Triangle on passing transport, hence my sympathy to Bily.

This recent revival is a microcosm of the Moyes achievement ie plod along when there's nothing really to play for. We grind down similar dullard outfits around us then invite our superiors to use us as a door mat.

My opinion is that it's shite and no matter how anyone dresses it up, with stats, excuses, LMA awards and all the warm words from SKY, it will stay so with Moyes in charge.
John Daley
39   Posted 24/04/2011 at 20:43:13

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I find it hard to believe that people continue to insist that Bily has failed to impress because he is 'played out of position'.

This is how he described himself, and his preferred role in the team, shortly after signing for Everton:

"I am an attacking midfielder and play on both wings, but I'm more inclined to play on the left side. I like to play down the inside channel, rather than right on the wing."

All this talk about playing him behind the forward or in central midfield is ridiculous. He simply does not possess the physical or mental strength to succeed in English football. He appears shell-shocked half the time and looks like he can't wait to get off the pitch.
Karl Meighan
40   Posted 24/04/2011 at 21:27:18

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Trevor@38 ? I could probably find clips of McFadden to make him look a world beater on fuckin YouTube.

He's got technique? So has almost every player who plays in the Dutch League ? does that make them good players who would improve the quality of the Everton team?

I shall tell you Bily's biggest asset: his fuckin bank balance! ? and he has never earned it in any shape or form.

Good players produce regardless of there position they adapt and turn negatives into positives thats one of the reasons there good quality players.
Andy Crooks
41   Posted 24/04/2011 at 21:37:25

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We are broke and if anyone is signed on the say-so of any outsider then it is gross mis-mangement. Gus Hiddink? Could it have been the same guy who posed as George Weah and made a laughing stock of Souness?
Karl Meighan
42   Posted 24/04/2011 at 21:42:58

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He's a acomplished component who, if at Man Utd or Arsenal, would look the player Hiddink thought he was?

So I have to ask, Trevor, how come Man Utd or Arsenal didn't buy him or even show any interest at all?

There was only one left footed Russian who was interesting the top clubs and that was Jerkoff and he hasn't blossomed into the player Chelsea thought and he is streets ahead of Bily.

I can understand your frustration as the Premier League in general has a lot of players who don't do the basics like a good first touch (which should come as standard) and cannot pass a ball ten yards but it just shows how tough it is in the Premier League.

It takes a player with a good footballing brain, technique, engine and hunger to just compete in the Prem and imo to find players with more than that who can reach the top is a very difficult job.
Martin Mason
43   Posted 24/04/2011 at 22:15:22

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I'm from Northwich and I'd be downbeat if Northwich Vics paid £500 for him. It is incomprehensible that he could play the high-speed quick-thinking game needed for somebody playing off a front man and he's been tried everywhere else. Moyes sees him all week and he really must realise that he bought a passenger for a lot of money that we could ill-afford to waste.

He comes across as very personable but I can't help but think that if he had an ounce of talent he'd be screaming for a move given the humiliation that Moyes has heaped on him. 100% the fault of Moyes and none on Bily himself.
Trevor Mackie
44   Posted 24/04/2011 at 22:26:17

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I question why he's become shite now he's at Everton when he wasn't before ? has he changed or is it his circumstances?

If you don't think circumstance has an impact, compare Man Utd's Diego Forlan to the Diego Forlan voted player of the tournament at the World Cup. Or Darren Bent at Spurs compared to Sunderland, now Villa. It plays a huge part in whether a player is successful and football is littered with examples, perhaps Torres being the most recent.

BTW, McFadden could play.

As for your Dutch footballer question, I would answer they probably would transform the club ? if we had a coach willing to play to their strengths. My main concern would be how an Evertonian can be posing such a question, are you so enamoured by how Moyes sent his team out yesterday?
Danny Broderick
45   Posted 24/04/2011 at 23:26:38

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I'll tell you what has changed ? he is playing in the Premier League instead of some 2-bob league in Russia.
Trevor Mackie
46   Posted 24/04/2011 at 23:34:20

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Glad you concur.

It'll be interesting how he fares if he joins any of the other 2-bob leagues like Spain, Italy, Germany where technique is put before "getting stuck in". Or any of the other Neanderthal shithouse euphemisms that plague our game.
Dick Fearon
47   Posted 24/04/2011 at 23:38:43

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Kunai (#20), Hiddink, who was Bily's national team coach, actually said he was happy that Bily had signed for Everton and hoped the experience of playing in the PL would inject some much-needed fighting spirit into his game.
Danny Broderick
48   Posted 25/04/2011 at 01:14:06

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Come on, Trevor. Surely you can't be saying that the standard of the Russian league can be compared to Spain, Italy or Germany?

By the way, the Italians and the Germans are not averse to tackling either. He'd probably have the same level of success over there (assuming anyone would be silly enough to buy him) as he has had over here...

Sean McCarthy
49   Posted 25/04/2011 at 01:40:12

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Everton cannot afford to have 10 players against 11... we had 9 not 10!!

Beckford looked like he knew he was out of his depth. He failed to even try to win one ball into him. His first touch was just as woeful. I doubt Ferdinand has ever had an easier 45 mins in the Prem. He should be off-loaded in the summer too because, quite simply, he's nowhere near good enough for Everton or the Premier League.

Bily is so poor, it's untrue. A few weeks ago on here, someone was claiming he could walk into the Barcelona midfield!!! Not while he's got a hole in his arse would he get anywhere near Barcelona or any other half-decent side. He's shit. Period.

If either of these are seen as any part of the future of EFC, then we really are fooked as I doubt there's a worse centre forward in the division than Beckford (other than maybe Anichebe) or a more out-of-his-depth midfielder than Bily.

Jayden Pileggi
50   Posted 25/04/2011 at 02:23:53

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I wish Moyesy just gave him one go at playing Bily in a Tim Cahill sort of position behind the striker as a left or central attacking midfielder. He scored 2 goals for Russia playing in that position. Moyes should give him every tape of Angel Di Maria from Real Madrid and say, "Watch him!" ? they both have obvious talent and skill, they both can shoot... it's just Bily plays out of position and isn't able to shoot enough.
Danny Broderick
51   Posted 25/04/2011 at 02:29:57

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Bloody hell, Jayden. We could just get the whole team to watch some Barcelona tapes, we'll be sorted then!
Steve Sweeney
52   Posted 25/04/2011 at 04:30:19

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Why is it that when I watch other managers they seem to encourage their players to move forward yet Moyes seems to instruct everyone to get back?

Time he went.

Steve Pugh
53   Posted 25/04/2011 at 06:41:24

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Steve, he was screaming at everyone to push forward against United.
Lee Courtliff
54   Posted 25/04/2011 at 11:41:48

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John, the point I was making was that if you had to play Bily, due to injuries, suspensions, international duty, etc then he should be played on the right or behind the front man.

In those positions he has the chance to do what he is obviously very good at ? SHOOT!

He can't do this on the left. You might think he is awful regardless of position but that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just like I am mine.

This is not a defence of his performance on Saturday. There is no excuse for lacking commitment. Or the ability to pass a ball ten yards.

Against Man Utd, Moyes could have played either Osman or Gueye on the left. And both would have almost certainly done better than Bily did.
Karl Meighan
55   Posted 25/04/2011 at 12:44:14

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Trevor, where is this "Bily was a great player in Russia" coming from? Until we signed him, most fans who follow football had never heard of him.

This doesn't make him shite but try naming a game were Bily showed Europe that he was a great quality player?

The fact is Bily has never done anything for either Lokomotiv or Russia to justify the fee paid.

How many goals has he scored for us? Yet some here think he has the shot of Bobby Charlton, I guess the poor attempts like the one against Wolves after his goal are forgotten.

Trevor we would be better off and improve with players from the Dutch League? I don't remember Atteveld being anything other than absolute shite so Willem II and Go-Ahead Eagles type players are certainly not going to improve Everton.

Your other point, Trevor: Forlan was a young man when at Man Utd and never had a big run of games that strikers need with the likes of Van Nistelrooy ahead of him his chances were limited.

Darren Bent carried the big price tag at Spurs and would be considered a failure there although his goal scoring record at Spurs was far from poor.

McFadden could play? I guess that shows how different are opinions really are as imo he was as bad as Bily.

Even if the nonesense that Bily is played out of position is true, good players show their quality no matter were they are playing.
Max Fine
56   Posted 25/04/2011 at 13:05:45

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I'm with Trevor Mackie on this. Bily actually looks quite good when he moves inside and the ball is moved with pace through the midfield. Our dull-as-dishwater table football, like rigidity where we move the ball in slow motion to feet and try and shuffle it up the pitch, doesn't suit his game. Messi himself would look like a soft as shite greedy passenger in our current set-up.

OK, he had a mare of a game in the first 45 mins; nothing he tried seemed to come off, he looked completely baffled as to what his role was and even his Pienaar-esque fling to the ground made him look daft. But, at the minute, he's one of the only few players I'm excited to watch ? yes, you never know when he receives the ball whether he'll lose possesion in the manner of a Sunday League player or smash it into the back of the net with the skill of a regular international ? but at least he's unpredictable!
Martin Paice
57   Posted 25/04/2011 at 20:25:35

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From what I can remember, pretty much every goal he has scored (and there's been some blinders) has been from outside the box, in a central position.

By all accounts he played in the hole / Cahill role for Lokomotiv and Russia.

Personally, I think he hasn't been given a fair crack.

How many people would've shipped out Jags after some shocking performances in the Carsley role?
Trevor Mackie
58   Posted 25/04/2011 at 21:15:48

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Karl @ 55

You appear to have put words in my mouth with the "Bily was a great player in Russia" ? naughty boy.

My essential point is the lad is in and out of a team and for a manager that doesn't suit ? that's not conclusive evidence he's shite.
Hence the circumstance comments, which in your own excitable way (and you're clearly not aware of) you've backed up.

Are Go Ahead Eagles an American basketball team? I have no idea where you're going with this.
At a guess ? are you suggesting I've claimed anyone Dutch, who can kick a ball, regardless of level will benefit Everton?

The answer of course is, yes.

Under the proviso they wear clogs and give away free tulips at every game.

(I realise you knew the last bit but given the misunderstandings, thought I'd better put it in)
Max Fine
59   Posted 25/04/2011 at 23:02:14

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Thanks to whoever re-edited my post to include a comma where none was needed...

"...table football, like rigidity where we move the ball in slow motion to feet and try and shuffle it up the pitch, doesn't suit his game"

It should read table "football like rigidity". You know, like those table football games where the players are stuck on a long pole and you manically turn and push them but they are stuck in a four man midfield. No idea who thought the alternative made sense.
Paul Maguire
60   Posted 25/04/2011 at 23:30:40

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I concur the sentiments of Martin Trevor and Max 57, 58 and 59. When we have the "Get Stuck In" Dogs of War types, we cry out for a technical player. We have one in Bily and it isnt working due to the high tempo style we have to play in the Premier League.

I recall Michael's match report from the Blackburn game where Bily was apparently anonymous and on a couple of occasions the adjectives brilliant and excellent were tagged to him regarding passing. Thats quickly forgotten.

And yes I had heard of him before he signed for Everton ? we aren't all Alan Shearer type followers of the game. I do feel for the lad and hope it all works out for him in the end whatever happens.

Vijay Nair
61   Posted 26/04/2011 at 02:32:29

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Perhaps with our lack of strikers, we should toss Bily up front? He does have an eye for goal (well occasionally anyway!).
Michael Kenrick
62   Posted 26/04/2011 at 07:10:30

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Well now you've explained it, Max... it was lacking a hypen: "table football-like rigidity". But the whole structure is horribly clumsy. Without the hyphen, I couldn't see it.
Ernie Baywood
63   Posted 26/04/2011 at 10:56:35

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He has significant weaknesses, and we play to them.

Doesn't really seem fair on the lad.
Paul Gladwell
64   Posted 27/04/2011 at 06:50:22

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Trevor, that YouTube shout was a corker, you could make Brett Angell look good on YouTube if you wanted too: type in Beckford, it makes him look as good as Messi.

Max, I would love to sit next to you in Goodison if you go the game thinking Bily is one of the only players who excites you! In the two years I have been paying to watch him, alls I have seen is someone who just cannot be arsed. Out of position or not, it is no excuse for not actually putting any running, fight or effort in.

Also, for those commenting on Hiddink, when we bought Bily, Moyes stated he had been watching him for two years.

James Hollister
65   Posted 27/04/2011 at 08:02:53

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Paul Gladwell ? I honestly don't think he has any real game plan when he buys players. If you look at the biggest signings we've made over over the last couple of seasons you will see what I mean.

Fellaini clearly wasn't his target and was an impulsive last-minute buy.

Bily, the same deal.

Heitinga, the same deal

Yet this same manager will not let Saha go, when it's clear his time has been up now for at least the last couple of seasons when he should have retired.

Before people embark on my calling Fella shite, I am not. When a player has demonstrated he can only play an average of 20 games a season, of which only a small handful of those games he plays well in... then ?15M is a hell of a lot of waste for a lad we didn't want in the first place.
James Hollister
66   Posted 27/04/2011 at 08:14:08

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Ernie Baywood ? He shouldn't be playing in the Premier League, he is not cut out for it because he isn't good enough.

Good quality players can usually adapt fairly quickly to the fast tempo of the Premier League ? look at all the top names that come and ply their trade... If Bily that was good, he really shouldn't have had any problem.

He has, as you suggest significant weaknesses, and I wouldn't trust him in the reserve team. Like a lot of players, he talks and talks and simply never delivers because he is incapable of doing it.

Put him in a Spanish side, maybe a lower league side, and I think he'd probably thrive... but, at the same time, he would never fit into the likes of Barca or Real Madrid because, let's be honest here, he is no world beater: can't tackle, loves falling over and is generally piss-poor all over the place.

To describe his passing as excellent is a bit short-sighted; most players of this league should be able to do the fundamentals right first time, like passing. However, because most of our players struggle to pass at times, he is made to look better than he is, when in reality this is not true. What's the point of passing and having a shot once in a blue moon, when he can't do anything else? Like run and take players on...

He has to go this summer ? what a complete waste of the £11M paid for him.

Paul Gladwell
67   Posted 27/04/2011 at 11:18:59

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James, totally true on Moyes and his buys, you can throw Krøldrup into that mix too.

I am a massive fan of Fellaini though, but I have to agree too his injuries at such an early stage of his career is worrying... although I disagree with your shout of him only playing well in a few of those games; give me him over our over-hyped England starlet every time.

Tony J Williams
68   Posted 27/04/2011 at 12:53:57

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James, you constantly drag out the old "average of 20 games a season" quote to somehow denigrate Fellaini. His injuries were not like Vaughan's or Saha's where they turn and their bodies give way.

Each time there has been a dangerous foul committed against him.

Owen is injury-prone, Saha is injury-prone, Vaughan is injury-prone, Felliani has been fecked up twice in two seasons because of dirty challenges ? not because his body can't take the strains of Premier League footy.

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