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This has been a well documented issue this season; fans, pundits... even Moyes himself, moaning about a lack of quality striking options. I believe this is total rubbish and avoiding the real problems at Everton FC this season.

Firstly, how many clear cut chances have our strikers missed this season? What is our average clear cut chances ratio? How many quality crosses do we produce during a match? For example, against Man Utd at the weekend, we had one shot on target through the 90 minutes. I can remember a number of games where we have produced no more than 1 to 2 shots ? even against lower league opposition!!

The problem for me has always been a lack of craft from midfield and a serious lack of pace in the wings. We could have Messi upfront and he would struggle to get 20 goals with this team... we have no balance whatsoever: Coleman ? young, raw, a right back playing on the right wing, even though he has had a decent season; Bily ? not a winger (not even sure if he is a proper player) on the left wing.

Out of the midfield we have had, even when Moyes has had a full team to choose from, who is going to provide the chances? Who's gonna play the killer ball? Who's going to beat a man? Who's going to score 5-6 goals every season from outside of the box? Answers to them on a postcard.

The last time we looked a balanced team and played proper football was when we had Landon on the right and Pienaar on the left; now both have gone, we have zero creativity. I blame Moyes for that; every fan can see how much better we were with pace on the wings but he has done nothing to change that... in fact, when was the last time we had a proper playmaker? Or an out-and-out winger?

Get off the strikers' backs ? I'm sure if you look at the stats our strikers are not the reason for our poor season! This summer must bring too wingers full of pace and a playmaker; we have the workhorses ? now we need the craft. COYB

Sean McKenna, Ireland     Posted 26/04/2011 at 13:35:27

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Roberto Birquet
1   Posted 26/04/2011 at 15:29:51

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"Get off the strikers' backs ? I'm sure if you look at the stats our strikers are not the reason for our poor season!"
What strikers?
Chris Bannantyne
2   Posted 26/04/2011 at 15:15:24

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Yeah, I totally get your point. I DO think there has been times when the lack of quality in our strike force has let us down. Beckford has got this funny mixed game where he gets himself good chances, but then misses a fair few (although I for one have been really pleased for the guy).

The real issue for me has always been pace and craft. I was saying since way before the season started that we needed someone like/or preferably Donovan himself. I have been pleased with Seamus, but it's a different animal all together.

The crafty bastard SHOULD be Arteta; we all know he has been more than capable in the past, but this season, besides the odd moment or two, he's been really forgettable.

A lot of players have had their moments, Osman for example... but, besides Baines, Distin and arguably Cahill at the start of season, we've not had continued class from anyone.

I really rated Donovan, maybe not the most technically gifted, although certainly not the least either. But I feel he really bought something to the table. The fans loved him, he had a great buzz about him that I think infected the rest of the team, and I think his work ethic was absolutely first class. I would love to have him back. Doubt it will happen though, which is a real shame I think.
James Martin
3   Posted 26/04/2011 at 15:23:40

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Moyes doesn't know what a winger is, he'll probably take some 'suggestion' of some other manager and end up with a player who wasn't good enough for the manager who suggested him. Mourinho with Valente, Hiddink with Bily, Houllier with Gueye remains to be seen but he's hardly jet-heeled either is he? Why does Moyes buy such slow players, and worse make quick players seem to lose their pace??? Andy Johnson mysteriously lost his, as did the Yak (the little that he ever had); even Jagielka came with this super quick reputation from Sheffield United that quickly disappeared.

Now Coleman, everyone remembers the wonderful runs past no other than Gareth Bale which dragged us single handedly back into that game. Apart from against Liverpool, where have they been this season? He seems scared to go on the outside anymore or drive into open field. Instead he infuriatingly slows down and looks infield.

Rodwell is the same, as a young player we saw his power and athelticism against Villa in the cup and Man Utd. All we've seen this season is sideways passing and not very accurate at that. I wouldn't care if he lost the ball if it was at the end of a 30-yard searing run that had got me off my seat. Distin is the only one in the team who seems confident running with the ball past players, and that's from centre back! Here's hoping all these windows of relative transfer inactivity have been building up for the capture of Donovan this summer... wishful thinking though.

Roberto Birquet
4   Posted 26/04/2011 at 15:31:10

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We have enough midfielders, except on the right of midfield. We need to get one as well as two strikers. Three signings (I reckon the sales of Yak, Yobo and Vaughan will pay for just one), so more wheeler-dealing will be required.

The left side will have Gueye, and possibly Arteta. Yes, guile has been missing. When teams like Stoke and Wolves have come to Goodison, they've parked the bus, and we've been at a loss of what to do. The likes of Arteta I hope have learned from this.
Steve Harris
5   Posted 26/04/2011 at 15:50:41

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I'm sure Moyes, like you and me, would love to still have Pienaar and Donovan, but the club could not afford to keep them. Stop blaming Moyes for having to work with one hand tied behind his back.

He will undoubtedly want to freshen the squad this summer with pace and quality but unfortunately he will have to sell players first, hope he gets a reasonable wedge, and faces no competition from Spurs et al in the transfer market. Or he unearths another Pienaar, Cahill, Arteta etc ? easier said than done.
Alex Kociuba
6   Posted 26/04/2011 at 16:30:18

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We haven't had a quality winger since Andrei Kanchelskis.

We haven't had a quality striker since Yakubu's first season.
Mike Allison
7   Posted 26/04/2011 at 17:21:57

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I agree with you Sean. I mentioned this on the Bily thread the other day. Arteta wants to be more of a playmaker, controlling the play from fairly deep, and that leaves room for three players ahead of him with either craft (in the centre) or pace (on the wings) and of course, preferably both.

If we had those, Beckford (or the current fat Yakubu) would score 20+ a season no matter how limited he was and how many he missed. Anyone remember Andy Cole at Newcastle and then Man United? He was not a special player, and he missed lots of chances, but he scored shed-loads because he had quality creative players making chance after chance for him.

We have plenty of need in our team, but the next three players I bought would be creative attacking midfielders for the wide positions and supporting the striker.
Liam Reilly
8   Posted 26/04/2011 at 17:46:21

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"Here's hoping all these windows of relative transfer inactivity have been building up for the capture of Donovan this summer"

Nope. The board have already said that there's no money in the coffers. Sell-to-Buy policy once more.

Depressing stuff.
Mike Gwyer
9   Posted 26/04/2011 at 17:49:05

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"Firstly, how many clear-cut chances have our strikers missed this season? "

Sean, please go to any of our games, you will soon have your question answered.
Andy Crooks
10   Posted 26/04/2011 at 18:31:44

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Sean, good point. Dixie Dean would have looked bad on Saturday, never mind Beckford.
Peter Fearon
11   Posted 26/04/2011 at 18:31:26

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Anyone who thinks we have not been missing open goals all season hasn't been paying attention. The issue isn't service. All too often there isn't anyone to cross to.

Strikers are supposed to put themselves into positions of opportunity. Beckford puts himself in good positions but misses too many sitters and, when he has scored, as he has done only 7 times, he too often punches out for the day. Anichebe just doesn't get into open positions; he doesn't control the ball and he rarely wins in the air. Saha has health issues we all know about.

The worst thing, however, is that our strikers are not partnered up. We need two strikers who complement each other and feed off each other's attributes. That's how matches are won. This season, we have had twice as many goals from defenders and midfielders than from our strikers.

Sean McKenna
12   Posted 26/04/2011 at 18:31:39

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Mike (#9). I live in Ireland; it is impossible to get to every game, mate... However, I am subscribed to ESPN, Sky Sports and watch online games. I haven't missed a minute of any game. If you can't see that we do NOT create enough chances in a match to win games, you must be blind.

Yes, some games we miss the odd sitter which is highlighted to the max due to lack of clear-cut chances... like another poster said, Andy Cole missed shedloads but scored 20 plus every year due to the quality of service. Most of our goals are from set peices etc.

Ray Robinson
13   Posted 26/04/2011 at 18:37:32

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Sean, I agree up to a point but, if you'd gone to Villa away at the start of the season, a decent striker would have converted at least two of the umpteen chances that we created and we'd have won 2-1. A decent striker would have buried the last-second chance at Sunderland and we'd have won 3-2. I could go on ....

Afraid, the poverty of our striking options was evident even during the good run at the end of last season and, criminally, nothing was done about it.
Andy Crooks
14   Posted 26/04/2011 at 18:47:21

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Peter Fearon, "...two strikers who complement each other". With that point, you have succinctly summed up the entire failure this season. Forget wide men, holding midfielders (they would be added bonuses) ? if we had what you suggested, we might just be on the verge of Champions League.
Joe McMahon
15   Posted 26/04/2011 at 18:57:44

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It's simple: Moyes's priorities will ALWAYS be defence, not attack. That's why he won't ever manage Man Utd or even Spurs. Before anyone starts, this isn't Moyes bashing, it's just how it is.
Paul Foster
16   Posted 26/04/2011 at 19:27:03

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"I can remember a number of games where we have produced no more than 1 to 2 shots ? even against lower league opposition."

That quite simply isn't true. Check out the Opta stats: for shots on goal we're up there with the best of them.

As for quality crosses, you obviously haven't noticed that Leighton Baines has more assists than any other defender in Europe (bar Alves, who actually plays in midfield) in the last 2 seasons.
Dean Adams
17   Posted 26/04/2011 at 19:19:13

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According to Opta, only 6 teams have had more shots than us, so to suggest that we do not create chances is really rather stupid. Of course the quality of the chances created is another issue, but if we had the strike force of the mid eighties we would be in the mix for the title!!!!
Sean McKenna
18   Posted 26/04/2011 at 20:36:37

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Dean (#16) ? Opta is the biggest load of shite ever; they sugested Bily was our fastest player at the club... enough said really. Think how many powder-puff shots Osman has in a season, added to the weight of your opta stat obsession.
Paul Thompson
19   Posted 26/04/2011 at 21:21:33

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Sean ? when you ask rhetorical questions about the stats without checking them, you are asking for some egg on face. We have created chances and failed to take them.

But you are not wholly wrong on either guile or pace. Those same stats show we are overly reliant on Baines and teams are realising this. And we have lacked real pace for so long that it helps to explain why Donovan made such an impression. As you say, a top class striker alone is not going to address the weaknesses in the squad.
Sean McCarthy
20   Posted 26/04/2011 at 23:19:26

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Thanks for coming Sean. Been a while since we had a Donovan Love In on TW!! Lets forget about him and move on......even Vic was getting picked before him in the end. He was good but he really wasnt THAT good!!!

Our stikers (if you can use the word) havent delivered. Simple as that. Saha doesnt stay fit long enough and didnt score til Christmas. As for the other two neither are good enough for the Premiership let alone Everton Football Club. Im just grateful they didnt give Beckford the Number 9 shirt as he would have brought that sacred shirt into disrepute with his abject performance on saturday and for the most of his appearances. Dont give me the line about hes got potential or hes taken a huge step up blah blah blah...
He was in League 2 for a reason......thats his standard. Its indicative of how far we have fallen behind the standards we all yearn for and cling too that he is even at the Club.
When someone who was a proper striker (Graeme Sharp) says hes simply out of his depth then we should listen and heed his advice. I cant think of a worse striker in the Prem than either Beckford or Anichebe. I hope we can maybe pick up one from the relegated teams at the end of the season because they would be an improvement.
Trevor Lynes
21   Posted 26/04/2011 at 23:37:16

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Sean #18....I agree with every word...we have the worst strike force in the league....the defence has carried us most of the season....Saha is streets ahead of all the rest but unfortunately he is fragile and getting old otherwise Man Utd would have kept him.....He is the best we have got !!
The Yak and Vaughan are where they belong !!
Dick Fearon
22   Posted 27/04/2011 at 00:51:10

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Roberto #3: I agree, what strikers?

Chris #2: You are very easily pleased if Beckford makes you happy.

James #3: Coleman is becoming a one-trick pony and most defenders have already sussed him out. Rodwell's sideways and back moves are symptomatic of his overall development which seems to have hit a brick wall. Both youngsters have gone as far as they can under Moyes. They now need a more attack minded imaginative coach.

Alberto #4: We may very well have a surfeit of midfielders but I would not class any of them as good. To be classed as 'good', they must play to a high level for 90 minutes in game after game after game. Arteta, Osman Bily, Coleman, Rodwell, and Victor fluctuate between average and bloody awful.

Eric Myles
23   Posted 27/04/2011 at 02:34:53

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Sean #20 ? why not expand your argument to include:
'Cahill and Jags were in the Championship for a reason'
'Coleman was playing in a no mark league in Ireland for a reason'
Yakubu is now playing in the Championship for a reason'
And the best: 'Dean was playing in the Second Division for a reason'

Arteta and Pienaar were not in top teams when we took them on, etc. etc.

John Keating
24   Posted 27/04/2011 at 04:39:59

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This close season, more than most, is going to be very interesting. Do we sell to buy? Have we got ANY money? Loans, transfers etc etc etc.

David Nugent is available on a free at the end of the season. Is he worth a punt?

Lifelong Blue. Is he any worse than what we've got? Can he be any worse than some of the dross we have already?

Joshua George
25   Posted 27/04/2011 at 04:40:31

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I think this summer is going to see a major clear out at Goodison Park. I believe we will will be saying our farewell's to Yak, Joey Yobo, James Vaughan, Bilyaletdinov and most probably and hopefully Jack Rodwell.

I would keep Bily if we get into Europe; however, as I think he'll do well for us. If we don't though, I will be glad to see the back of him.

It's vital that we keep hold of Baines and Fellaini. I've heard rumours that Man United want our flying wing back to replace apparantly Madrid-bound Evra.

I'm so excited for the Summer as I believe we'll be seeing some fresh new talent grace the field of Goodison come next season. Daniel Studdidge and Matt Jarvis will do me fine and a young left sided centre back.

Fingers crossed for a strong finish lads and toes crossed that we start next season well.

John Audsley
26   Posted 27/04/2011 at 07:14:55

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It's nice to see a very positive posting about next season but I'm thinking totally the opposite.

We have no money and Moyes will get a percentage of cash from any sales made so certainly no Jarvis (who I would love at GP).

However, I agree with the Nugent comments above; if he is on a free then it's a no-brainer. He is better than any of the current crop of strikers in DM's matchday squad.

Key Word = FREE!
Richard Tarleton
27   Posted 27/04/2011 at 10:39:04

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One of the things that mystifies me is how Everton somehow reduce the individual abilities of so many players. Heitinga is a world class defender, played in the World Cup final; at Everton he looks no more than an average Premier League player.

Rodwell ? two years ago, he was the player on everyone's lips as the man on whom the 2014, 2018 England World Cup team would be built around. Rodwell... not Wilshere! Today, he looks pedestrian and with a negative passing game. Tell me how it's done and tell me how Moyes and Co can stop this.

Tony J Williams
28   Posted 27/04/2011 at 11:28:05

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Maybe you could also tell Wenger too, didn't he take one of the most exciting talents, the "Fox in the Box" Jeffers and shit him out after a couple of seasons?

Rodwell may well have been the name on a lot of people's lips but he has shown nothing to justify this. A couple of decent performances does not a £20m player make.

I feel Heitinga still would be "world class" if he played in the back 4, it's just that Jags and Distin have formed a solid partnership so why break it up just to make a player happy?

I reckon I would look good playing in that Arsenal midfield. I have actually watched Wilshere quite closely this season and he is not as good as all his adoring fans seem to think he is. He fits in well with Arsenal though, as he is a diving cheat.
Colin Prendergast
29   Posted 27/04/2011 at 13:18:08

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John #24 ? appreciate we're in bargain basement land but Nugent? Never cut it in prem with Portsmouth and being a lifelong blue isn't going to change that. Looking at Championship would prefer us to look at Bothroyd on a free and a few mil on Long at Reading or Rodriguez at Burnley.

As for width, think it's tricky ? don't see much about in English league that would make an instant impact and those that are ? Jarvis for example ? likely to cost £5m+. More likely we'll see someone we've never heard of from the french league or somewhere for £1-2m à la Gueye and then wait to see if they come good.
Michael Brien
30   Posted 27/04/2011 at 13:27:18

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Players such as Matt Jarvis have been mentioned ? who did Wolves sign him from? Talking of Wolves, they have a pretty good striker in Kevin Doyle ? they signed him from Reading. But who did Reading sign him from?

We tend to think that, to sign players who can "cut it" in the Premier League you have to try and match Chelsea or Man City in the transfer market. You don't always have to do that. Maybe Everton need to look at increasing the number of scouts. How many players has Wenger signed that have seemingly come from nowhere to be top players? Was Fabregas a headline signing ? Hardly.

We can't compete with the "Mega Rich" clubs in the tranfer market ? so we should stop trying to do so.
Jay Harris
31   Posted 27/04/2011 at 13:37:27

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Sean ? your post raises quite a few questions:

Is it the strikers' fault?

Do we need pacy wingers (plural)?

Is our MF not creative enough?

IMO the answer to all three is Yes.

Our strikers are not good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play while racing into the box for the return pass and their conversion rate from chances created is poor. Saha mostly doesn't even get in the box. He does most of his work in the middle of the pitch. Beckford does a lot of futile running and when given chances goes for the spectacular rather than the simple. Yak was the only true striker we have seen in recent years.

As for our MF creating chances is not a problem when we have Fellaini and Rodwell in the middle and also up for spot kicks. So what we really need is an Aaron Lennon or Theo Walcott. I think Landon Donovan has had his best days and would only be a short-term solution.

What about Aaron Ramsey on a season loan or even Stephen Pienaar for £2 million.
Colin Prendergast
32   Posted 27/04/2011 at 13:56:04

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Michael (#31) ? Matt Jarvis came from Gillingham I think. Would argue that he needed a year in championship before he came to Prem. Think people like Jennings at Tranmere and other L1 players would need similar to be toughened up a bit. Good hungry champ players are where we should be shopping I think and reckon there's a bit of value there.

Doyle came to Reading from Ireland ? like his effort and workrate but he needs to be in a pair with the other one scoring a lot as he doesn't bag anywhere near enough.

Jay (#32) ? Would love Ramsey on a loan... I think he'll be a starter for them next season though.
Robert Moore
33   Posted 27/04/2011 at 17:12:30

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Why was the Yak sent out on loan after he was just starting to look good again?
Michael Kenrick
34   Posted 27/04/2011 at 17:15:48

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Robert, some have claimed that he had a falling out with Moyes, which would certainly seem to explain why you would loan out one of your better strikers, especially when the ones you have left are not performing all that well, but don't expect it to be confirmed... Similar deal with Yobo, who was frustrated he could not get back in the first team last season.

But perhaps most can claim these loans were forced on Moyes by financial realities... Again, I don't believe anyone can confirm either story, so it's more a case of which sounds more plausible... perhaps a combination of the two?

John Welsh
35   Posted 27/04/2011 at 18:43:13

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The story that Moyes and Yak had a row seems believable (even if it isn't true!). Moyes has a history of falling out with players and taking it rather too personally. He did this with Jeffers, and was secure enough back then to even state that Jeffers would not play for him again.

If remember rightly, Yak played a couple of games and was starting to look okay. Then he was dropped, despite our need for someone up front that could produce goals.

Whether you like Yak or loathe him, he has got goals in him, as he has proved throughout his career.

Still, what do I know? It's just a guess! But I can't think of another plausible reason why he suddenly became surplus to Moyes's plans. I agree that Yak is probably past his best, but I'm confident that he had enough to remain with us this season, and that loaning him out was a big mistake.
Robert Moore
36   Posted 27/04/2011 at 19:04:49

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Thanks, Michael, yea it does not make sense at all; we need the Yak back ? he is a top class striker.
Peter Fearon
37   Posted 27/04/2011 at 20:52:57

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Richard Tarleton #27 ? You make an excellent point. It is mystifying and there are several other examples of players who have just declined into mediocrity under Moyes's tutelage, if it is Moyes's tutelage. It could be that these players were over-hyped to begin with, but I doubt it.

I suspect that some of the younger players are being confounded by being played out of position; by having their confidence sapped by being selected one day and not the next; by being given just a 10 minute sub's appearance to shine and being confined to a narrow tactical role.

I know that when Rooney was breaking into the team, for example, Moyes pressured him to stop shooting from distance, which he did often in training. He gets his chance against Arsenal and ? wham, a memorable goal. Not every young player has the confidence to defy a manager like that.

Neil Humphreys
38   Posted 27/04/2011 at 21:16:11

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I'd put money on Nugent coming on a free in the summer. He's out of contract and would play out of his skin for us... No worse than what we have.
Dean Adams
39   Posted 27/04/2011 at 22:02:01

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Sean McKenna #18 ? You must be the worst kind of fantasist. Take the facts and ignore them; after all, why would anyone want to know the truth?

Get real, you can't ignore the facts, we are not as bad as you pretend, we just are not anywhere near as good as we would like to be.

It is probably of no interest to you that Moyes is building a strong youth squad, hopefully in order to provide Everton with players that can move us forward, against the odds.

James Flynn
40   Posted 27/04/2011 at 21:53:20

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Sean McKenna ? Good reading. Major exception? "We could have Messi upfront and he would struggle to get 20 goals with this team". Hahahahaha.

This team had Messi, we'd be right in the PL Trophy hunt. Right there.
Jeff Armstrong
41   Posted 27/04/2011 at 22:20:53

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Joe (#15):

It IS Moyes bashing because that's ALL you ever do!
Ian Tod
42   Posted 27/04/2011 at 22:20:23

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I think the problem hasn't been the midfield but lacking a consistent, fit striker. That is key for a team that wants to be in and around the top 4. Sign Klose on a free and keep this squad together and we'll be competing right in the maelstrom of the top six.
Michael Brien
43   Posted 28/04/2011 at 07:08:24

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It has been mentioned that our strikers are at fault ? shouldn't that be striker? How many times does David Moyes show some ambition and adventure and play two strikers?? The old 4-5-1 chestnut, you say... well, if we can predict our tactics then I would think that it is fair to assume that the other 19 managers would be able to do so.

Personally, I think that some of our great strikers from the past ? guys like Royle, Latchford, Sharp and Lineker ? would struggle to do well in our present "system". Moyes seems to struggle when it comes to strikers ? they don't seem to last longer than 3 seasons... is that because they are all bad players? Personally, I think that even a world class striker like David Villa would struggle at Everton.

John Audsley
44   Posted 28/04/2011 at 07:21:56

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I understand that Nugent isn't the WOW striker we need but he is probably the best available and would run his bollox off for the blues, something Moyes regards as a primary skill.

Can't see Klose coming, is that rumour a goer???

Anyway, a summer of freebies, cheapos and blokes from Greece, Austria and Latvia awaits.....
Dave Wilson
45   Posted 28/04/2011 at 08:43:08

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I find it astonishing that anyone could consider the suggestion that the lack of quality striking options is "rubbish" and avoiding the real problems.

Without Saha ? and we usually are ? we have by some distance the worst strike force in the Prem.

Beckford has missed no end of sitters this season; Saha is made of glass, but let's not forget he's missed his share too. Victor may not miss any sitters ? but then you'd have to get into the box to do that. Vaughan is struggling in the Championship and The Yak has just been dropped for stinking the Championship out.

This is not an attack on the players; Vaughan, Anichebe, Yakubu, have all had carreer threatening injuries... none have been the same since, Saha has had his share too ? although I think he's a bit of a tart and it doesn't take much to rule him out. And Beckford shouldn't be too harshly criticised because he gives his all.

But, in an age when average strikers change hands for £20M+, you would not get £5M for ours, even if you sold them as a job lot.
Tony J Williams
46   Posted 28/04/2011 at 11:32:44

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The fit and new Yak, just been dropped by the Championship fliers Leicester. Not a good sign really is it?
Joe McMahon
47   Posted 28/04/2011 at 12:40:50

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Jeff Armstrong (41) ? No it isn't and no I don't.

Now stop having digs at fellow Evertonians and get back to "Tossing Off" over the negative football you obviously adore.

David Crowe
48   Posted 28/04/2011 at 12:43:37

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Why does everyone think Coleman is a right back? He can't defend to save his life and is only good going forward, ie, he's a right winger.

Baines isn't an amazing defender himself so playing Coleman and Baines at right back and left back against a side that have decent wingers, eg. Aston Villa, is like giving them a goal head start in my opinion.

Off the point, I know, but where do people get the idea that Coleman is more of a defender than a winger? He's said himself that he prefers the right of midfield.

Gavin Ramejkis
49   Posted 28/04/2011 at 12:11:39

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Dave #45, a lot of people forget that, before Saha started to score again this season, he had gone since February the season before without scoring ? but Moyes played him every week! Not that long ago, Cahill was our top scorer ? which highlights how shite the strikers had been.
Eric Myles
50   Posted 28/04/2011 at 15:39:01

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Tony J #46, do you want to re-think that post?
Chris Perry
51   Posted 28/04/2011 at 16:36:11

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I just think of all the great strikers we have had in the past:

Stuart Barlow
Brett Angell
John Spencer
Joe-Max Moore
Phil Jevons
Francis Jeffers
Tomasz Radzinski
Daniel Amokachi
Anthony Millington
52   Posted 28/04/2011 at 16:46:47

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People get the idea that Coleman is a right back because that's where he's played all his life until Moyes put him right mid! Look at when he was a revelation at Blackpool they played him at right back, attacked teams and reaped the rewards of promotion!
Gaute Lie
53   Posted 28/04/2011 at 16:44:12

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Money, money, money. That's the issue.

However, I hope Moyesy gets rid of that good-for-nothing player Anichebe. He sucks bigtime on the field, what a waste of space (and salarymoney ).

I do think the big Greek may develop into a class player. Yakubu is not coming back, Saha is made of glass, and is soon to retire.

I guess Moyes will buy two players this summer. I just wish he'll find someone stupid enough to sign Anichebe. Please, please.
Tony J Williams
54   Posted 28/04/2011 at 17:41:49

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Eric, why would I re-think it? He was dropped. Yes, he scored when he came on as sub... BUT... he had been dropped.

In the last few weeks, he has missed some almighty sitters, not surprised he was dropped.
Colin Prendergast
55   Posted 28/04/2011 at 20:11:55

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I'm getting quite tired of all the Yak stuff. I can't believe that a lot of people keep thinking he was on the verge of coming good again. He is finished as a Prem striker, IMO.

I heard a Leicester supporting reporter on a radio station bemoaning his record which, whilst 1 in 2 overall, includes a significant barren spell. He was saying most Leicester fans would rather have Heskey back and Yak isn't particularly wanted by the fans.

Yes, he was decent in his time, one of our best goalscorers in recent times, but mainly because we're so shit when it comes to buying strikers. He'd have been bombed out by most clubs before now. Let's move on.

Get rid of Yak, Vaughan, Anichebe ? although I'd say £5m tops for the lot. Keep Beckford as a squad player, glass legs for the odd impact moment when he can be arsed, and lets sign a couple of strikers with pace and hunger. But not Nugent...

Jamie Tulacz
56   Posted 28/04/2011 at 20:22:35

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You really can't please some people! When Coleman first came into the side, people were complaining that he was playing at right back and not in midfield.

As for the Yak, imo he's hardly been setting the world on fire, even at Championship level. The fact that he was dropped does suggest a possible attitude problem. He was reported to be one of our highest earners, hence he was shipped out to get his wage off the bill (and also to see if he can still play at all).

Last stat I saw (admittedly quite a while ago), we'd created amongst the highest number of chances in the league for one of the lowest number of goals (around Xmas time). Can't really see many swapping our strike force for theirs myself.
Eric Myles
57   Posted 29/04/2011 at 02:07:02

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As you didn't read the article Tony J, I'll quote a bit for you

"I got absolutely the reaction I wanted from him," said Eriksson. "He is a great footballer and a great goalscorer, there are no doubts about that."

"But the reason he was sitting on the bench was because I didn't think he had been doing very well in the last games."

Maybe if Moyes did the same with underperforming players eh?
Dave Wilson
58   Posted 29/04/2011 at 06:43:14

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He did at West Ham and at City, Eric... He's still getting slaughtered for the City game.

I recently recieved an eleven word email from from our E Midds branch, it simply said "When are you going to take this lazy fat fucker back?"

One of our internal sales girls is down there as holiday relief and to be fair she is prone to putting on a bit of timber, but she`s shit hot, so I don't think he was talking about her.
Michael Brien
59   Posted 29/04/2011 at 09:47:20

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21# Chris Perry ? ever heard of Latchford, Sharp, Gray, Heath, Lineker, Beardsley and Ferguson? Or do you think that all of our strikers apart from a certain William Ralph Dean have been "poor"?
Tony J Williams
60   Posted 29/04/2011 at 14:51:06

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But Eric, was he dropped? It's a straight forward question with a yes or no answer.

Players in form don't get dropped, they get rested sometimes but not dropped.
Eric Myles
61   Posted 30/04/2011 at 01:56:24

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But Tony J, the issue on here is the complaints that Moyes NEVER drops players in bad form, he just sticks to his favoutites regardless.
Tony J Williams
62   Posted 30/04/2011 at 10:47:30

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Not my issue Eric. I made a statement about the lazy Yak being dropped and you asked me to re-think it. Pedantic? possibly, but you were trying to be clever, were you not?
Trevor Lynes
63   Posted 30/04/2011 at 18:30:03

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Colin #55 I agree with your post wholeheartedly....most of our fans are grasping at straws when they expect better from a bottom 3 strikeforce when you look at the strikers at clubs BELOW us..
Just a few names to think about...Darren Bent, Kenwyn Jones, Davies, Elmander, Sturridge, Zamora, Odemwingie etc etc etc...ALL play for teams below us and are not just scorers in some cases.
If we had one or two of those players we would have won a lot more games that we have drawn.
Saha is the only striker with genuine premiership ability but he is injury prone and ageing...Man Utd let him go when he was considered surplus.
Now the talk is about Nugent who already failed in the premier...I screamed for Zamora when he could have been signed very cheaply !!
Take stock of our strikers and tell me that they are better than the players I have listed and dont forget that they all play for teams below us !!

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