I just wanted to gauge people's opinion on the so-called 'free' development poutside the Park End, and its subsequent collapse. It's another failed promise and mis-management from the club, to go with NTL, FSF, Kings Dock, Kirkby etc...
I wonder when Robert Elstone will get wheeled out to tell us it's just moving offices, it's just a few legal issues... or when the club will actually come out and admit it's fallen through? This also means that the proposed new car park on Spellow Lane will not happen, the club can't redevelop the corporate boxes, and they will have to keep paying Agent Johnson for use of Everton One.
How many more times are we going to allow this to happen to OUR CLUB?
Martin Graves, Posted 10/05/2011 at 14:40:22
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1 Posted 10/05/2011 at 15:11:37
Anyway, on a separate note, a mate has just texted me, apparently he has just seen Harry Redknapp come out of a restaurant and head to his car, whilst Phil Neville pulls into the car park... Hmmm why do it in the open if true?
2 Posted 10/05/2011 at 15:19:43
He copies everything else we do.
3 Posted 10/05/2011 at 15:29:53
4 Posted 10/05/2011 at 16:16:48
Yet we still have supporters that blindly back Bungling Bill and his gang of useless yes men.
5 Posted 10/05/2011 at 16:28:48
6 Posted 10/05/2011 at 16:53:41
7 Posted 10/05/2011 at 17:02:01
He is useless, has no "real" money but in the end he is probably as much a puppet in this club too.
He is like that Peter Kay, Uncle Knobhead sketch.
8 Posted 10/05/2011 at 17:28:57
9 Posted 10/05/2011 at 18:10:15
10 Posted 10/05/2011 at 19:09:27
11 Posted 10/05/2011 at 19:33:20
Hence the reason for the stoppage & no explanation given. So there it stands, yet another fine idea to take the club forward bites the dust. When will this end? ? it is absolutely appalling. File this alongside all the other great projects from recent years. Embarrassment or what?
12 Posted 10/05/2011 at 20:38:54
Or failing that, we could always see if Bobby Elstone is free for a natter over a cuppa and a biscuit.
13 Posted 10/05/2011 at 21:18:01
Well I hope everyone can now see what a sham Elstone is and how much of a puppet he is for Kenwright and his endless bullshit.
The next lie to be uncovered will be the bit about only Moyes having the say on who gets sold this summer.
14 Posted 10/05/2011 at 22:57:02
No doubt he'll emerge in the next few days trying to put his usual positive spin on it.
15 Posted 10/05/2011 at 22:23:53
We are financially a powerhouse Championship outfit. This has been going on for over 20 years since Keown was sold to Arsenal to appease the banks, as was Jeffers, Ball, Dunne, Ferguson, Rooney... and we can add to that list soon, no doubt.
We have been prevaricating over a ground move for nearly the same period. The last time the shit hit the fan, Moyes pulled it out of the bag with 4th and saved Kenwright's bacon.
It seems to take the threat of relegation to exercise the Evertonian masses who are currently stoned on occasional European football and upper mid-table finishes.
I believe it's not possible to progress anymore and flat-lining or slow decline is the future, and that?s with a manager who has proved he can compete, in any way/style possible mind, toward the top end with the equivalent of shillings and sixpence. Maybe the summer will provide the adrenaline shot we, the fans, require. This club has needed a revolution all my adult life.
16 Posted 10/05/2011 at 23:33:51
Enough is enough; someone needs to standup and be counted and in this case, like many, it is the board where the blame can be found. It is time for the voice of many to unite and call for the heads of the board!
17 Posted 10/05/2011 at 23:52:28
The arguement that they are doing their best under tight circumstances and at least not getting us into massive debt doesn't wash with me.
Kenwright's has been at the helm for a considerable time. If he didn't have Moyes working miracles for him he would have us in the Championship.
How many bloody false horizons are going to be shown to the fans. I don't give two shits if he and the board love the club. To be a success in modern football a club needs to be well run, innovative and ambitious.
Leaves me feeling very powerless as a fan. Even if the entire fan base joined together and pushed Kenwright out, I don't see any alternative solution.
18 Posted 11/05/2011 at 01:43:09
What business doesn't check into planning permits and "freeholds". In the USA we have permits with various local and county authorities. I've no clue what a "freehold" is but it sounds like the "right" of an owner to develop his property / building.
How the fuck do you announce a development initiative without checking on something like this?
GROSS mismanagement. Embarrasing as hell.
Being naive I stand to be corrected, but this surely should have been checked into and cleared before announcing the developement. God this gets under my skin! SO incredibly stupid!
19 Posted 11/05/2011 at 02:10:33
I'd like to know how much money gets wasted on these fuck ups. With architects and developers and a whole host of 'pre-build' costs, the amount of money lost on KD, DK, this Park End piece of shit etc must be pretty significant by now??
I'd love to see. If those figures were released surely it would be the straw that broke the Camel's back as far as Kenshite and his cronies are concerned?
20 Posted 11/05/2011 at 02:53:27
In this case I suspect that the title is probably in the name of the Club, but that it's mortgaged to the hilt with Barclays and their permission is required to do anything with the land as part of the mortgage arrangements.
Sort of makes you wonder where the money for Desperation Kirkby would have come from because one of the sources of funds was touted as the sale of GP along with Bellefield.
Well the money from Bellefiled has already disappeared down a black hole and it looks like any money from GP would only go straight to the bank.
21 Posted 11/05/2011 at 06:41:03
I would also like to see the Billy lovers who only last week on here were still sticking up for him. This is not just some little admin mistake, this has yet again cost us thousands in gross missmanagement but, hey ho, Billy means well, he is one of us... do me a fucking favour.
He is making us a laughing stock again and his supporters are just as bad.
22 Posted 11/05/2011 at 08:16:55
To me that means if we can't, they can, they could come along and build on any space in the foot print any thing they like and we could do jack shit about it.
Nice one Bill.
23 Posted 11/05/2011 at 10:01:04
I personally can't believe it, I mean even cunts as useless as those 'in charge' at Everton, MUST know what they do and don't own.
I mean I am in NO doubt AT ALL that I DON'T own Sefton Park....but if I DID, I have a feeling I'd definitely know I did.
I mean ffs, there could NEVER, EVER be any confusion about 'do I own it or not?'
24 Posted 11/05/2011 at 10:53:19
No doubt there's some sort of cock-up (as it is our chairman ? the smiling assassin) ...but the assertions above are incorrect.
25 Posted 11/05/2011 at 10:58:02
26 Posted 11/05/2011 at 12:01:49
"Hello to John from Kirkby."
"Who's the clown, Roger? Tell me. Just who's the clown?"
"I mean, they emptied the people out, right? Yeah? Then they took the windows out, right? And unscrewed all the doors and that, right? All dead careful, like. Took them months. Yeah? All carefully planned and tha. Gave the impression that they knew what they were doing and all tha. Hard hats and hi-vis jackets and stuff..."
"And what's your subject again, John...?"
"...no don't interrupt, Roger, and then, right, they loaded the whole place up with dynamite and stuff and they handed the leaflets out to all the locals telling them that there'd be a blast when the tower block would come down and then, just as they're about to push the button, right, some suit comes along from the mobile phone company and reminds them that there's a dirty big phone mast on the top with a 100-year agreement for it to stay in place which means the flats can't now come down. I mean, who's the clown, Roger? Tell me, just WHO. IS. THE. CLOWN?"
27 Posted 11/05/2011 at 12:31:36
28 Posted 11/05/2011 at 12:50:15
29 Posted 11/05/2011 at 13:13:33
Unless we get HUGE investment from a billionaire who wants to use us as his plaything, not caring if he loses hundreds and hundreds of millions... then we either load ourselves with debt (as Kenwright has done), or sell our best players, don't replace them and get relegated.
The essence of Premier League football clubs is mismanagement these days I'm afraid, chaps.
30 Posted 11/05/2011 at 13:27:07
Secondly, when you raise finance against land, you don't give up its freehold ownership. A restriction is placed against your 'title' which is held centrally by the land registry. Generally you will require the funder's approval if you wish to do something with the land, that's the restriction.
My concern is that anybody who has any experience of delivering these types of projects would know this, and should have been liaising with the funder long before this project got off the ground; in short, it looks like a fuck-up by the board, and at what cost to the club? For a scheme of this scale a planning application could cost more than £100,000. Looks to me the club has been badly advised by its solicitor.
Restriction's placed on the land by any third party can be viewed by anybody, simply by requesting a copy of the 'title' from the land registry.
31 Posted 11/05/2011 at 13:43:43
32 Posted 11/05/2011 at 13:57:24
Why didn't they look into this before planning??
33 Posted 11/05/2011 at 15:29:10
If you don't hold the freehold, surely you MUST know who does. You surely MUST know you need some type of legal, written agreement from the entity that holds said freehold, and surely you MUST get that duck in a row BEFORE you announce the development.
Seriously, supporters should be not only livid at this bungle, but overwhelmingly beside themselves! It's just as Mickey Mouse as it gets.
TY Eric for the quick lesson on freeholds ? appreciated.
Finally, if they don't have the freehold, surley it's the lender they've mortgaged the land against that does. Why on earth would a lender be adverse to development of a property that they hold the rights to? Wouldn't this simply take a phone call and a standard contract signing?
Robert E: "Hi bank dude. Seems we've fucked up. We want to put these brand spanking new offices on the end of Goodison, but you've got the freehold. Bout £9 million or so development. Should increase the value of said property. Even if it doesn't, we'll finance the 9 mil through you and you can take the interest over 20 years. Win-win. Whatcha say?"
Stuffy Bank Dude in Suit: "I'll send the papers over via courier tomorrow. Pleasure doing busniness with you. We're making a hell of a lot of money from you folks, all collaterlized and safe. Have a great day, and call back with any other needs you may have."
Robert E: "You're the fuckin greatest bank dude. Thanks for this, and we appreciate your willingness to finance us to the hilt."
34 Posted 11/05/2011 at 16:23:44
35 Posted 11/05/2011 at 17:38:47
Only at our club under this bungling,shitty 'regime'.
36 Posted 11/05/2011 at 19:14:46
The only bright side in all this is that it was an odd shaped building sat at a strange angle on that corner and looked like a total after-thought.
What really needs doing is the Park End stand needs another tier on it and enlarging backwards to accomodate the boxes and increase the capacity. That thing they were planning would have stopped that happening.
Another bodge job, this time bodged up by the arch bodgers!!!
37 Posted 11/05/2011 at 21:36:52
The funny thing is, you just know that whilst BK is in charge, there will be many more fuck-ups along the way.
38 Posted 11/05/2011 at 22:22:46
There's so many typos and mis-spellings in my post it's embarrasing. Apologies, but I type fast and never have time to spell-check...
39 Posted 12/05/2011 at 02:53:35
So how come the Club don't? Amazing!
40 Posted 12/05/2011 at 16:44:01
41 Posted 13/05/2011 at 12:43:21
42 Posted 13/05/2011 at 22:55:16
Also what does this mean for the the actual Park End stand redevelopment? Would this still be possible or could we not do anything as it's on Barclay's land as well?
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