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Is stability success?

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I expect to see Arteta, Baines, Fellaini, Rodwell, Jagielka, and Moyes leave the club over the next 2 years. I'm sure these players and the manager are fed up with stability and know that the club has now come to a complete standstill and that no billionaire would consider changing our fortunes.

As time passes, our current stability will turn into decline not success and all problems will deepen... So what can Everton do? If we accept this situation we just carry on watching Man City and Chelsea win the things we used to win.

To compete with today's big clubs, Everton need their own state-of-the-art stadium. Do Everton have the finances or are they able to attract such finances on their own? No.

How can Everton be successful again? The only solution is to share an 80,000-seater with Liverpool. I don't know how it is going to be financed but it has to happen. The revenue from this stadium must out perform Man Utd and Arsenal. This is the only way Everton are going to attract a multi/billionaire owner. The same is true for Liverpool.

Gary Heywood, Liverpool     Posted 15/05/2011 at 13:14:27

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Sean McKenna
1   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:12:06

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Would we attract 80,000 Everton fans to watch that shite that Moyes puts out? Come on, be real, we need to change Moyes fullstop!! A new manager wouldn't play Hibbo, Neville an Co, week-in, week-out if they stunk the gaff out. Problem is moyes...

He has become too close to the players, never drops his favorites. Look at yakubu for instance: he has his best game in years against the Shite then, guess what ? he is dropped, never to be seen again... Yet Big Vic stinks the place out week on week yet he starts!! Mind boggling stuff.

A new manager would get rid of the deadwood an maybe just maybe play the players in there natural position!! It's not fucking rocket science... Moyes out!

Mick Wrende
2   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:14:52

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Not another thread on sharing a stadium with the shite. What is it you dont get, Gary? Real Evertonians would not be seen dead in a stadium that the Shite had tainted the week before.
Neil Vaughan
3   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:01:25

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You can try to attract investors by playing attractive ATTACKING football week-in, week-out and trying to win trophies... not by setting your team up 'NOT TO LOSE' and very raely worrying the opposition goalkeeper... and, more often than not, losing anyway.

We will probably finish 7th and have been absolutely shite for the most part. Just think what could happen if we went out with tactics that tried to WIN our games.

An 80,000-seater stadium won't solve our problems because the way the team plays will not attract enough punters to fill it. Then we'll become an even bigger laughing stock playing in front of a half-empty stadium. Slowly but surely, die-hards that I know (myself included) are being driven away by the dour defensive SHITE that our so-called GREAT manager serves up every week.

If we had tried to beat shite like WBA, Newcastle, West Ham, Wolves etc instead of playing one man upfront (especially at home) then maybe WE would be in the top four and Champions League which in turn would attract the type of investment and class of player I would dearly love to see at Everton.

Do you honestly believe that a new stadium will change Moyes's style of play... It might give him more cash but he'll just waste it on garbage like Bily (£10 million OMG)... Based on his big money sigings, I wouldn't trust Moyes converted with a large amount of cash.

Win some trophies, qualify for the top four on a regular basis, and investment will follow.
Brian Waring
4   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:30:53

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Gary, I don't think the Shite need it. It looks like they have money in the bank to spend next season, they are looking at doing the ground up, and Dalglish looks like he has steadied the ship. Their future looks a lot rosier... Ours? Well....
Gary Heywood
5   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:25:32

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The choice is radically change or decline. I don't want to share a stadium with Liverpool but I accept that if we want success then we are going to have to.

Man City attracted a billionaire investor only because they had a state-of-the-art stadium. In today's football, the infrastructure has to be in place and then the big investment follows.

Gary Heywood
6   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:42:38

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Yes Liverpool have more money than us but not the type of money to compete with Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd. The only way they are going to compete is to share a massive revenue-generating stadium with us.
Varun Rajwade
7   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:42:01

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Well, Neil, I myself criticised Moyes last week on my Fan Article. But I think you are being a little OTT...

We played Champions League Man City at home with a 4-5-1 and won that one, and then WBA away with 4-5-1 and didn't score at all. I basically disagree with the statement that one-man up means it's negative.

And about the Moyes signings, I totally disagree, I mean see his record on most signings and compare with most managers (maybe not SAF or Kenny Daglish) level but his record is much much better than most.
Alan Clarke
8   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:51:49

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Fuckin hell this gets so boring. We're still skint so where do we find money to build our half of the ground? Liverpool's owners don't even want to move.

Our best hope and the cheapest option is redeveloping Goodison.
Neil Vaughan
9   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:53:56

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Varun... we beat Man City because we went 4-4-2 for the last 30mins and went for it... Back to 4-5-1 v WBA and look what happened... as has happened for most of the season.

With regards to Moyes's big money signings, which one exactly has been an overwhelming success...???
Jamie Crowley
10   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:54:50

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NESV will never share a ground with us. Put it to bed. It ain't gonna happen.

They will follow the Red Sox model and redevelop Anfield. Anfield will improve to the point where it's an excellent stadium and matchday experience steeped in history.

Watch the next 5 years as owners who know what they are doing improve LFC exponentially.

Everton is about to get a lesson on how to run a football club from a bunch of baseball Yanks, and it's going to be painful to observe. John Henry and Company are brilliant businessmen. It's going to be painful to see, but it's as inevitable as death and taxes.
Paul Knox
11   Posted 15/05/2011 at 15:45:02

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Agree totally with Neil ? at last other fans are seeing Moyes for what he really is: a poor manager who generally buys well.

Nearly every game we play we start with the notion we are protecting a nil-nil draw, one point already ours. Typical of a manager who lacks confidence. Then, in most cases when we go behind, Moyes opens up and plays more attacking style football, but with a leash still on. Look at WBA game: THREE centre halves and THREE right backs... sounds familiar? Walter Moyes!

We have a good squad of players considering lack of money. What would a manager with confidence and attacking style do with this squad? We'll finish 7th by playing the percentage game, where would we have finished going for the win from the kick-off???
Trevor Mackie
12   Posted 15/05/2011 at 16:08:30

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We're shite, lifelong supporters are turning their backs on the club and we can't fill the 40k stadium.

What is the solution?

An 80k stadium of course!!!!!!!

(Tumbleweed dances it's way along the silent desolate scene...)
Aiden Doyle
13   Posted 15/05/2011 at 16:23:22

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Anybody pinning their hopes on a billionaire ?investor? is seriously deluded ? not because we?ll never be able to attract one (which may also be true), but because UEFA's financial fair play rules are due to come in to effect and clubs are starting to pay attention.

There are already question-marks as to how Manchester City will be able to be eligible for future European competitions, though the cash boost of qualifying for next season?s Champion?s League will certainly help, and Chelsea are already trimming their wages expenditure in readiness.

In all probability, the likes of Abramovich and Sheik Mansour have probably bought their way in to the game just in time but, in future, mega-rich benefactors are likely to find that, as far as football is concerned, their wealth counts for far, far less than it used to.
Paul Doyle
14   Posted 15/05/2011 at 17:18:32

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"Go away"... never realised that was the answer.
Gary Heywood
15   Posted 15/05/2011 at 17:00:01

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Everton attract less than 40,000 because they are not a successful club, not because they do not have enough supporters. Initially in a new stadium we might not get 50,000 to 80,000 but it opens the door for massive investment. Once the investment comes along, the team will become competitive and support will increase. I'm sure a successful Everton can attract similar support to the likes of Arsenal.

The Anfield development will not compete with Man Utd and Arsenal and the other Euro giants. Chelsea and Man City will out-compete them with pure cash from their owners. Developing Anfield will not result in the level of on-field success that they wish for.

Of course a new 80,000 shared stadium can generate revenue through music events, Euro football finals, Rugby League finals that currently Old Trafford is attracting. The facilities will be shared and the ground will be used twice as much as any stadium in the country, reducing costs and increasing revenues compared to its rivals. It's a money spinner and the billionaires will swarm all over it.

Brian Denton
16   Posted 15/05/2011 at 18:02:12

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Aiden (#15) ? I wish I could share your faith that the new UEFA rules will level the playing field a bit, but I can't. The whole Sky/Premier League model is built on money talking, and I somehow can't see that model being allowed to crumble.
David Holroyd
17   Posted 15/05/2011 at 20:25:05

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Agree with Jamie 10 the Yanks will change Anfield slowly over time. We have to upgrade Goodison over time also. Moyes has short commings but look at his record. 17th 11th the rest are 8th and better.

We need a striker who can score goals but that would mean breaking the wages of Arteta. We are going to have to sell Bily, Yakubu, Vaughan, Anichebe, Heitinga and Fellaini if he wont sign another contract. Sturridge from Chelsea would be a good choice...

Pat Finegan
18   Posted 15/05/2011 at 20:43:20

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Fed up with stability? I don't like the fact that we're a stable club either so I think we should fire our manager. Great idea!

Let's think this one out. If we fire Moyes, it's a gamble.

Risk: Being relegated.

Reward: We get to watch nicer football.

It's what they did at Blackburn. Under Kean, they play (or attempt to play) Barca/Arsenal style smooth flowing, passing football. They suck. They don't have the money to put together a team that can out-football the top tier of the Prem... and neither do we.

Teams that don't have enough money to compete have to play more like Stoke etc and employ a "Dogs of War" tactic.

This is what "doing the best he can with the resources he has" means in regards to Moyes. He does what he has to do even though it's not always pretty and people complain about it.

Well, look at Blackburn. They got their wish. Is that really what we want at Everton?
Mike Keating
19   Posted 15/05/2011 at 21:00:05

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We had the perfect solution at the King's Dock ? had we got the finance to do this at the time (we have spent more on players since) we would be raking it in on the back of Liverpool One and the likes of Leonard Cohen would be playing a stadium instead of that shithole, The Echo Arena.

Sorry but it all goes back upstairs ? no vision, no plan and no money when we need it.

Jamie Tulacz
20   Posted 15/05/2011 at 21:19:28

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Pat (19) sums it up exactly. Realistically I couldn't see us finishing much higher up the league with a new manager given the resources of those above us.

Wouldn't say stability's the word though, more like stagnation.
Trevor Mackie
21   Posted 15/05/2011 at 21:35:52

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Pat @ 19

Why does "reward" stop at "watching nicer football"?

Could it not include winning something?

This mutually exclusive argument is printed on tablets of stone exactly where?
Dennis Stevens
22   Posted 15/05/2011 at 22:14:11

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The only way I see the current Board doing anything about our stadium is if another DK type opportunity should arise. My only hope is that they tire of waiting for one to come along & sell their share-holding(s).
Rob Murphy
23   Posted 15/05/2011 at 22:33:22

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I'd like to see us take Sturridge on loan 4 next season-quality young player who scores goals.
James Flynn
24   Posted 16/05/2011 at 00:15:10

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As we well-know here in the States, the only thing happens in a state-of-the-art facility with a lousy team is more empty seats then at the old facility.
James Flynn
25   Posted 16/05/2011 at 00:17:55

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This "not to lose" stuff is peculiar. Pick the successful team (in any sport) where the manager didn't start with team defense. Hell, even boxing, an "attack only" approach makes for excitement but doesn't make for long-term success.

Moyes's problem is not preventing losses. Only a couple or three EPL teams have lost fewer games than EFC over the last couple of years. And those are teams at the top.

The difference is they have genuine goal scorers who frighten opposing managers and players alike. We don't. So the low scoring, can't score on teams that park the bus, outplay higher standing clubs but draw or lose, is constantly with us.

It's predators we lack.
James Flynn
26   Posted 16/05/2011 at 00:28:24

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Jamie (10) - Ugh. Hate I could see it happening as I read your post. Still remember the shock of reading that group had stepped in to buy the RS at the last second. Fuck me.

On the other hand, never believed these made-up "$400 million needed" numbers tossed around about a new stadium when Goodison can be spruced up just like Fenway was.

Nonetheless, ugh.

By the way, "a bunch of baseball Yanks"? Well-said. Hahahahaha.
Derek Thomas
27   Posted 16/05/2011 at 10:12:12

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I will show my arse if a) they ever build an 80k stadium...

or b) fill it every week...

and finally c) ever get me in it.

Gary Heywood
28   Posted 16/05/2011 at 11:33:23

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Then 27 you may as well look forward to derby matches against Tranmere Rovers.
Jason Lam
29   Posted 17/05/2011 at 06:36:34

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Why would we share an 80k-seater stadium so Liverpool FC have a greater chance of success ? at our expense? One more competitor to share the spoils?

What difference would it make then? So Everton will start winning things and Liverpool FC not ? by sharing the same stadium?
Jason Lam
30   Posted 17/05/2011 at 06:43:21

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Did you hear the one about 5-6 clubs pulling away forming with a league of their own, so that everyone could share the spoils of winning.

It all ended miserably. But for one: Man Utd.

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