Did anyone read the extremely interesting article in today's Guardian about Avram Grant?
There were a number of quotes from a source close to Grant and, aside from the allegations that West Ham offered the manager's job to six people in January ? the interesting stuff was the transfer dealings of West Ham.
It alleges that West Ham offered Everton £6M for Yakubu and Moyes demanded £10M... A few months later Moyes then lets Yakubu go to Leicester for nothing on loan.
Moyes has shown himself to be a tactically inept buffoon but his credibility and position must be questioned if this is true and his judgment has cost the club £6M.
If he valued him at £10M then why let him leave for nothing and keep a goal-shy Anichebe?
I think Kenwright should be calling a taxi for Dithering Dave immediately.
Ian Edwards, Posted 18/05/2011 at 19:07:45
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1 Posted 18/05/2011 at 20:26:15
2 Posted 18/05/2011 at 20:28:32
But we woudn't want facts to get in the way of another good old 'Moyes out' rant would we!
3 Posted 18/05/2011 at 20:40:51
4 Posted 18/05/2011 at 20:46:46
The management of the Club is appalling in the general so why would transfer dealings be any different?
5 Posted 18/05/2011 at 20:38:19
I say troubled, because he still hasn't got a fucking clue after all this time in charge of one of the proudest football clubs in the country.
His only thoughts are of negativity and not to get beat, he's terrified to to just fucking go for it, against shite teams and I'm fucking sick of him now.
I've nothing personal against him, i just want a manager that will send a team out to attack.
Is that too much to ask for? After all, this is Everton Football Club. 1878
6 Posted 18/05/2011 at 20:54:24
7 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:09:46
8 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:06:29
Don't quite understand how Moyes has lost us £6m since Yak will be back with us once his loan is done anyway. And if we do sell him presumably we'll get at least £2m and maybe up to £4-5m for him.
Could anyone tell me in a game dominated by money nowadays, which team finishing above us has less money to spend than us?
9 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:22:47
10 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:28:07
11 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:30:49
12 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:35:55
13 Posted 18/05/2011 at 21:03:34
Everyone and his dog realised Pienaar was angling for a move so why the fuck not swallow your pride Moyes and transfer list him?
14 Posted 18/05/2011 at 22:22:32
15 Posted 18/05/2011 at 22:46:18
When Moyes tested their resolve they came back stating that he wasn't good enough for them and was only worth about £1 million.
Moyes does not do the deals anyway. He just recommends players and fights to keep players that we get enquiries for.
Do you honestly think Moyes would have got any of the money Yakubu would have brought in to replace him? That is what is wrong at the club. It is like Families at War. Earl and Green wanting their pound of flesh back and Moyes fighting to hold the players together.
16 Posted 18/05/2011 at 22:54:12
17 Posted 18/05/2011 at 23:21:18
Damn Moyes for trying to get more money for Everton. Sack that bastard how dare he try to bring more money into the club.
18 Posted 18/05/2011 at 23:19:18
See you in August.
19 Posted 18/05/2011 at 23:28:47
20 Posted 18/05/2011 at 23:50:29
21 Posted 19/05/2011 at 02:07:51
Allegations. Don't ya just love 'em!
It's "alleged" we offered £12m for Manny Fernandes a while back.
Only an allegation, mind you.
Certainly NOT anything to do with Chairmen attempting to appease supporters, definitely NOT.
Wonderful bunch these Chairmen. Like sacking their manager 5 minutes after a game. What class. Couldn't even wait until the next morning such was their desire to be seen being decisive.
"We offered Everton £6m but they turned it down because they wanted £10m." This coming from these extremely questionable individuals in charge at WHU. The people who said that Avram Grant was "always the number 1 choice" after Martin O'Neill had the sense to turn them down.
And it's all our manager's fault mind you, nothing to do with the CEO.
'Fraid you've been sucked in there Ian. I know who I believe.
22 Posted 19/05/2011 at 02:29:37
Moyes isn't perfect by any means, but no manager is. Considering the (lack of) resources at his disposal, and the money that clubs like City and Spurs have spent, what he's managed to do at the club is miraculous. I can't imagine anyone better for Everton than Moyes. For that matter, I can't imagine a better club for Moyes than Everton.
23 Posted 19/05/2011 at 04:22:01
Holloway has a squad of predominantly Championship standard players, and made them one of the most entertaining teams to watch in the league.
Moyes, to his credit, has built a very talented squad. But his safety first approach sucks the life out of them. It really is depressing to watch at times.
If you're happy with dull functionality then good for you.
Are you an accountant?
24 Posted 19/05/2011 at 04:33:16
25 Posted 19/05/2011 at 05:43:39
26 Posted 19/05/2011 at 07:01:59
They may spout shit but they tell more truth than the liars at our club ? and didn't Moyes himself tell us he had turned down that fee for the Yak?
27 Posted 19/05/2011 at 07:04:10
Ancelloti? Mancini? Redknap? Dalgliesh?Or maybe your referring to all those managers that were thrown up as "superior taticians"... but who have failed to finish above him ? again.
Moyes will be here for life if the best his opponents can do is start their damning indictments with a compelling "if true".
"Tactically inept"? I cringe when I hear somebody who has never so much as ran a works 5-a-side team getting all Malcolm Allison in an attempt to criticise Moyes.
28 Posted 19/05/2011 at 07:56:28
It's a good job that those pesky newspapers were correct... we trousered between £45m-£50m for the sale of those two. Probably saved the club. Let's hope those pesky newspapers can engineer £25m for Rodders...
29 Posted 19/05/2011 at 07:56:43
30 Posted 19/05/2011 at 08:40:39
31 Posted 19/05/2011 at 08:54:52
Getting back to the point, the anti Moyes group have their one-track mind, use the "tactically inept" line, "Dithering Dave" etc but not very often do the rabid bunch counteract their views with a "then again, at least he did this well".
Sorry Lads, just an observation, don't want to start another, Monthy Pythonesque "We don't give a feck" type of post.
32 Posted 19/05/2011 at 08:57:25
33 Posted 19/05/2011 at 10:52:57
Bottom line though... Moyes and his style of football bores me to tears. I don't blame anyone for believing he does a good job though ? because he does... to a point. I just happen to think we could play a much better brand of football and I think the fact that we don't is down to the gaffer.
34 Posted 19/05/2011 at 11:06:12
We tried it at the start of the season and we looked good, bossed possession........and lost, many times.
We get back to what we were good at, stop leaking goals and ugly footy. Yes it bores me and I hate it but until we can go out and afford a Yaya Toure, Tevez, Silva, De Jong type of midfield of our own, I will expect us to have a few "good" games a season but ultimately be disappointed becasue even the Stokes, Blackburns and shockingly Blackpools of the league are outspending us on players.
35 Posted 19/05/2011 at 11:25:42
There is an excellent pdf on Premier League club finances in the Guardian today. I wonder if it is time for Moyes to move on. I like his approach. I know it's frustrating for fans. He is cautious and incremental and it doesn't buy many headlines.
Nobody can accuse him of not being committed to our cause though and some of the comments from fans are over the top in calling for his head. I think if we got investment he would take us to the top echelons of our sport. That is where I see the problem and I'll continue to defend him. Overall you can't argue with his transfer dealings in my humble opinion.
36 Posted 19/05/2011 at 12:48:42
Transfers are negotiations of assets; therefore if someone offers 6 miliion and you want 8; then you ask for 10. Its not rocket science.
Looking at some of the above posts; I'd certainly enter negotiations on some of your assets, where the first bid is duly accepted.
37 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:21:46
But he should also have his business head on as were skint.
How much cash has slipped through the net with the above 3?
38 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:26:37
Jesus, you haters are unbelievable.
39 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:25:34
Moyes will have thought last summer that Yakubu might still offer us something and £2 million wasn't worth it to sell him. As it turns out, Yakubu is a fat lazy bastard who had no intention of putting any effort in hence why Moyes binned him out on loan. In reality, it's likely some club at the top of the championship or one of the promoted clubs will still pay £2million West ham were actually trying to pay.
If we want to hang Moyes out, lets stick to cticising his shite tactics and defensive mentality, not the fact he didn't sell a player of low value quite when he should have done.
40 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:32:34
So I would say that we haven't lost much because we made our money back, transfer wise, on Pienaar because he wouldn't sign a new contract and was looking to go for free at the end of the season.
Gosling, no-one was interested in him until he could leave on a free, not a very good player and his 3 minutes of Premiership play time since becoming fit shows that.
Yak, he is still on our books so haven't lost anything yet because he hasn't been sold.
So in a twisted illogical way we are up from the Pienaar transfer fee.
41 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:29:42
None of this is FM or rocket science either, it's bloody common sense.
42 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:45:15
43 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:52:39
It won't be £6million!
44 Posted 19/05/2011 at 13:57:15
I will file that figure under the Saha and Besakitakiwaki (sp) figure too.
45 Posted 19/05/2011 at 14:13:13
If we got £9M from Bily plus £8-10M from Yobo, Yak and Vaughan I'd be well chuffed!
46 Posted 19/05/2011 at 14:52:32
47 Posted 19/05/2011 at 15:55:34
All season the tactics have been shite, players out of position... I half expected Howard to be named as right back.
Don't get me started on Tony Hibbert... can't pass,can't cross, can't shoot... he was dreadful at WBA. Tony is in the same same league as Terry Darracott, the absolute worst player ever to pull on a blue shirt. Jimmy Case nutmegged him twice in the fucking penalty area before laying off to David Johnson to score.
48 Posted 19/05/2011 at 19:20:09
For those of you who didn't watch the Alan Sugar thing the other week, he talked to Harry Redknapp who quite clearly stated that managers have nothing to do with negotiations when buying or selling players, or renegotiating contracts. He couldn't even tell you the wage levels of any player at the club. He openly admitted that he knows about football ? not finance...
Please tell me that's the deep voice of profound sacrcasm on your part.
49 Posted 19/05/2011 at 17:45:07
Alan, a big slice of anything out the door this summer if not all of it will disappear into Billy Bullshitter's black hole, the Pienaar money disappeared as did any loan fees and salary savings for Yobo, Yakubu and Vaughan and any others shipped out this season..
50 Posted 19/05/2011 at 19:51:35
Barrister for HM Crown ? "So Mr Rednapp, how would you care to explain the discrepancies and irregularities during your former employment as football managers at Southampton and Portsmouth football clubs?"
Harry the Spiv ? "Blimey guvnor, I'm just a respeccable rub-a-dub, knees up Mother Brown, apples and pears, Mary Poppins, footballin bloke wiv no idea whatsohevva about this money malarkey. Did ya not see me old china Sugar explain it all right as rain the uvva day?"
Lord Cuthbert Ponsenby Smythe III, leaning forward to the court usher ? "Fetch me my black head handkerchief please."
51 Posted 19/05/2011 at 20:10:02
52 Posted 19/05/2011 at 20:52:35
I agree, the lad is utter shite. If we want to pick on Moyes, I don't think Yakubu is the reason to do it but constantly picking Hibbert is.
53 Posted 19/05/2011 at 21:23:14
54 Posted 19/05/2011 at 22:18:16
His awful tactics cost us the cup. He had an awful record against a average Liverpool side from 2004-2010. He has kept useless players like Arteta, Anichebe and Heitenga and let players like Vaughan, AJ and Pienaar leave. All the these players have shown effort.
His stupid favouritism towards Cahill, Arteta and Heitenga has really annoyed me. Letting Yakubu go was another huge mistake. Anichebe is proved that he's no better than James Vaughan, a fans' favourite. He scored 2 goals in 3 games last year then doesn't play at all. For fuck's sake bring the lad back, Moyes.
I'm sick of the boring football. The constant unbelieveable draws and waring thin. When we do attack the crowd respond and we get better results.
55 Posted 19/05/2011 at 22:16:22
Every side's manager knows EFC is weak at finishing. Yet, we remain one of the toughest teams to defeat. Hmmmmm.
Here's one, let's swap our fellows up top this season with Man Utd's. Where would we and them be on the Table today?
56 Posted 20/05/2011 at 07:34:46
57 Posted 20/05/2011 at 07:53:00
That has to be the single most pathetic claim made by Moyes`s critics.
Moyes got us past some of the best teams in Europe on route to that final and he did it by outmanouvering two managers who had won the champions league.
He lost his two most influential players before the final and had to face a Chelsea team full of world class individuals ? one that had been cheated out of the Champions League by desperate decisions when facing the all conquering Barca.
Anybody who sees a team containing players like Hibbert, Yobo, Cahill, Neville, Jacobson, Howard etc beaten by the odd goal by a team boasting: the best goalkeeper in the world; world class players like Essien and Cole; a center back that attracted a 50 million quid bid a few weeks later; arguably the world's best centre-forward... not to mention players like Lampard, Malouda... and still thinks we lost because our manager "got his tactics wrong" has the footballing knowledge of a goat.
58 Posted 20/05/2011 at 08:33:58
Maybe you can tell me who you think should be managing this club. As is so often the case on this site ,people are so keen to slam David Moyes but I am yet to see any sensible sugestions as to who would do a better job.
I still would not be surprised to see Yakubu back in the side next season and scoring goals.
59 Posted 20/05/2011 at 08:34:26
And great day out though it was, the truth is we couldn't beat them in regular play. We had to go to the lottery of penalties.
60 Posted 20/05/2011 at 08:52:48
Pull yourself together, Derek lad, we had all this shite after the recent game at OT... strangely enough all those "bench warmers" have played in their remaining crucial games.
61 Posted 20/05/2011 at 18:31:28
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