Can't say i have noticed this mentioned earlier so i'll give it a go.
Comparing the top8 teams in the Premier League this season and their meetings against each other, we rather surprisingly come out on top. Meaning, we are this season the best club when playing the top sides. Not bad for a mediocre squad.
1. Everton ? Home: 6-1-1; Away; 1-5-1 ? 27 points
2. Chelsea ? Home: 6-1-1; Away: 2-1-4 ? 26 points
3. Man Utd ? Home: 7-0-0; Away: 0-3-4 ? 24 points
4. Arsenal ? Home: 4-2-1; Away: 2-3-2 ? 23 points
5. Liverpool ? Home: 4-2-1; Away: 2-1-4 ? 21 points
6. Tottenham ? Home: 2-5-0; Away 3-0-4 ? 20 points
7. Man City ? Home 3-2-2; Away: 1-3-3 ? 17 points
8. Fulham ? Home 0-4-3; Away 0-1-6 ? 5 points
Well, at least we can confirm where our season got pissed away in a sea of misery...
Please Note:? Unfortunately, Paul has made some mistakes with this table, which is not correct. See the ensuing discussion, specifically #4, #6, #8, & #10 ? The Editor
Paul Olsen, Posted 01/06/2011 at 13:08:36
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1 Posted 01/06/2011 at 13:56:33
And I'm still going to check the Footy news 3 times a day in the hope that the impossible happens and we sign 3 players that I've actually heard of. Or just 3 players even.... at least Fellaini will be like a new signing. If we don't sell him.
Blue summers... fucking brilliant.
2 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:06:25
3 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:10:03
Still interesting though.
4 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:14:28
5 Posted 01/06/2011 at 13:58:42
6 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:14:51
6 wins:- Liverpool, Fulham, Chelsea, City(x2), Spurs
5 draws:- Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea, Fulham, Utd....
7 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:26:19
However, I'm interested in how we managed to have 8 home games against only 7 sides? Chelsea is the same.
Does reflect how the season felt though...
8 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:33:49
Doesn't however change the fact that we win ahead of Chelsea on this one.
Result would be the same also if we remove Fulham.
9 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:27:46
10 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:35:22
Still the main point stands, we did really well against top sides and it almost makes the fact that we finished seventh even more disappointing.
11 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:43:28
12 Posted 01/06/2011 at 14:56:19
13 Posted 01/06/2011 at 15:02:41
14 Posted 01/06/2011 at 15:08:22
15 Posted 01/06/2011 at 15:43:53
16 Posted 01/06/2011 at 15:42:52
The stats you do not mention are the ones that cover our woeful record against supposedly inferior opposition which indicates clearly that 7th was our TRUE position in the league.
17 Posted 01/06/2011 at 15:43:08
And here's me thinking there are 19 other teams in the Prem (beside us). Silly stats count for fuck all; we are not in Europe and didn't win jack shit.
How about this for a fact, if all the teams above us had less points, we would have won the title!
Sorry for the sarcy negativity, but all the silly stats in the world will not make up for another season of shite tactics and negative hoofball. Rant over!
18 Posted 01/06/2011 at 15:58:39
19 Posted 01/06/2011 at 16:02:11
Bottom line is we were 7th , we are closer to the bottom than the top , will be outspent by teams lower than us and have an aging squad....
We weren't good enough last year and probably won't be any better next season or any other till we get some $$$$$$$$...
20 Posted 01/06/2011 at 16:07:31
21 Posted 01/06/2011 at 16:21:11
22 Posted 01/06/2011 at 16:43:29
23 Posted 01/06/2011 at 17:38:44
It has been frustrating to see us beat Chelsea out of the cup only to lose to Reading in the following week. Frustrating and puzzling.
Some have also pointed to the expectations some of us had before the season and said we were never really able to challenge because our players are nothing more than average at best. They said those of us hoping for 4th must have been delirious. I think these stats could point to something different.
We do have the ability some predicted ahead of the season, but abject failure against the bottom half teams. We can do it through ability, our failure this season was down to something else. Maybe i`m wrong, but i do not think these stats are useless. I believe it points to our lack of squad depth more than anything. Having a base of 14-15 good players will struggle to compete for 38 games, but with ability to summon strength to play in the big games.
If our top 8 results were along the line of Fulham who failed to beat any of the other top8, the ability issue would be more appropriate.
24 Posted 01/06/2011 at 20:10:03
We are one of the most inconsistent teams and this is nothing new!! Going back a few years, we beat a certain West Brom 6-2 and 4-0 in league games but then lost the FA Cup Final to them in the same season when Astle got the winner. I remember it well because I lost £100 on us winning within 90 minutes and that was a lot of dosh in those days.
25 Posted 01/06/2011 at 20:21:23
Our problem this season has been breaking down teams who park the bus, especially when they come to Goodison. Birmingham was the best example perhaps...and Bolton...two draws although we had all the possession.
Breaking down packed defences requires a particular kind of guile and pace that we didn't show enough of this year, especially as the main provider, Arteta, had such an off season. The other problem in the early part of the season was turning chances into goals and hence losing 4-1 to WBA when with better finishing it could have been 7-4 to us.
Bloody annoying innit?
26 Posted 01/06/2011 at 20:42:03
27 Posted 01/06/2011 at 21:15:45
28 Posted 01/06/2011 at 21:15:32
Blue Summers in "Savouring Ryan's Privates", "Driving Miss Daisy Crazy", "Jurrasic Pork", "Star Whores - The Phantom Penis", "Some Lick It Hot"... The hardest working actress in tinseltown!
Paul, OP, great stats, shows when it falls in to place for us that we can compete. We just need to compete over the course of a long season.
Let's face it, it's been a topsy-turvey season for everybody. Few teams in the whole of Europe have come out with any credit. Maybe it's a world Cup hangover scenario.
29 Posted 01/06/2011 at 21:31:27
30 Posted 01/06/2011 at 22:11:11
Desperately Seeking Semen, Angela's Anus, Free My Willy, George In Her Jungle, Scrotal Recall, Hairy Porker & the Prisoner of Ass Cabin, Hairy Porker made the Philosopher Moan, Homo Alone, Night of the Giving Head, Pokeahotass, Stuart Little Dick, Womb Raider, Itty Bitty Gang Bang (midget porn), Fisting Nemo, Edward Penishands, Beauty & the Priest, Santa Claus Is Cumming On Grannies Gown
Not that I watch that sort of shit or anything you understand. I've never watched anything more perverted than 'Playmate of the Apes'. Honest. I even switched that straight off as soon as the monkey headed lass got her baboons out.
31 Posted 01/06/2011 at 23:34:45
32 Posted 02/06/2011 at 03:15:04
33 Posted 02/06/2011 at 06:24:36
So if there is any food for thought, it's how the team he's created is consistently inconsistent!
34 Posted 02/06/2011 at 08:06:36
35 Posted 02/06/2011 at 14:02:00
Everton won won 6 drew 5 lost 3 = 23 points
Sh*te won 6 drew 3 lost 5 = 21 points
Not bad return from top teams, in fact it was almost as good as we could hope for - I'd bite your hand off for 23 points from the same fixtures next season! e.g. 2 90+ min goals vs Manure; pulling it back vs City when we should've been buried at half time - we'll need the same good fortune again next year to match that return on 14 games.
36 Posted 02/06/2011 at 15:10:25
Mind you, if my sister had balls she'd be my brother.
We are one of the lesser teams by the way.
37 Posted 02/06/2011 at 15:22:52
As pleasing as it was to get the wins over Citeh, Chelsea and the RS, it was absolutely gut wrenching to the same magnitude watching us at home against West Brom and Newcastle ? absolutely appalling performances.
And the one that really gets me pissed off every season is when we come back from Villa Park without the three points. How on earth we lost to them this season is beyond comprehension: 80% of the play, we battered them, yet they end up with the points.
And don't get me started on away days at Craven Cottage (bar 2009-10 season)... What is it about Fulham away?
38 Posted 02/06/2011 at 17:48:28
39 Posted 02/06/2011 at 12:45:44
Bang, womb raider, planet of the gapes
40 Posted 03/06/2011 at 01:24:36
Personally I think this is food for thought. Out 5th placed seasons were based upon beating the rest - and we did that with real consistency. We were just starting to get the balance right between playing with a bit of pace and style and then we went too far and ended up playing tippy tappy crap that gives you a chance against the better sides as they actually come at you but isn't really inventive enough to break down the rest.
So the challenge for Moyes is to get back that open attacking football against the lesser lights while having the smarts to switch tactics against the better sides and play tactical, possession football with changes in tempo.
41 Posted 03/06/2011 at 13:28:59
The only stats that truly matter is where we finished in the table.
The fact we couldn't beat inferior teams, the fact we rolled over quite a number of times this season.
You need to look at the bigger picture, as Tony mentioned above. We finished closer to the bottom than we did to the top.
Was last season competitive? I don't particularly think so, I think there where a lot of really bad teams incapable of winning matches and consistency was non existent.
And you can add us into this mix, where we bad? I can tell you, that we where not good.
5 points clear of 8th, 5 points behind the shite in 6th.
We didn't qualify for Europa, which was never ever going to happen in a million years.
We finished probably where we should have done, we where not good enough for anything else. I am just relieved the crap below us where incapable of putting any kind of run together for long enough to catch us.
Overall for me a very poor season when you factor in the cowardly tactics in the FA Cup, and all the other cowardly tactics at home against very poor sides like Wolves and West Ham. There can not be excuses for those performances, and next season we won't have the money while everyone below us spends more than us.
I am not looking forward to next season one bit...i'd be surprised if we even finished anywhere near the top 10 next year, such is the shit we are in financially and with an aging squad..not good.
42 Posted 03/06/2011 at 13:39:34
43 Posted 03/06/2011 at 13:59:59
44 Posted 03/06/2011 at 15:57:39
United 25 points +5Fulham did not beat any of the sides above them and therefore rather than a top 8, I think a more valid comparison will be the top 7, however it makes no difference to the order and simply that we are 4 points clear of Liverpool and Spurs now lead Chelsea only on goal difference. So when it mattered, we can deliver.
Arsenal 23 points +5
Everton 23 points +4
Liverpool 21 points +3
Spurs 20 points +1
Chelsea 18 points -1
City 16 points -3
Fulham 4 points -14
Perhaps it is against the teams in the bottom 6 that highlight the true picture of why we only finished 7th.
Arsenal 32 points +24So it was our performances against the teams who see us a equals is where we came unstuck. Clearly the four Champions League qualifiers are far more adapt at putting away the teams at the bottom, but even we were better than the other two of the top 7. And as we are better than them against the top 7, then it is those in the middle ? Stoke, Bolton, West Brom, Newcastle, Villa and Sunderland. There the table for why we were 7th not 5th is:
Chelsea 30 points +23
United 29 points +25
City 27 points +9
Everton 19 points +8
Spurs 17 points +2
Liverpool 15 points +5
Spurs 25 points +6And all of this out of a possible 36 points.
Liverpool 22 points +7
Everton 12 points -5
Well, if nothing else it shows the games we need to focus on for next year. 1 point from Villa and Bolton, none from West Brom. Our home form against them only brought us 7 points and the away 5 points. The message is simple: next year, Fortress Goodison for everyone ? not just the top 6.
45 Posted 03/06/2011 at 16:24:34
46 Posted 03/06/2011 at 23:34:18
Some people seem to think i posted this as some sort of celebration, go figure.
Yes, the final table counts. But, it´s not really quantum physics to say that this sort of stats mean something. If you can´t agree it is interesting numbers then i consider you unimaginative.
But, just to be clear once and for all.
I did not post this to defend the manager/club/Kenwright or the Queen mother although many certainly seem to believe i did.
47 Posted 04/06/2011 at 19:55:48
The stats look good, but then I look back at some of the shite against the lesser teams, and then competing with the top teams becomes irrevelant to me.
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