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Seems we are being linked with some fairly deent names in today's press and internet gossip coulmns ? Djalo, Defour & N'Zogbia? I know gossip is not worth the paper on cyberspace it is written on but it's the first of the above 3 players I'd be most excited to see.

Seen him play about 5 times now. He can play right wing left wing or up front - fast and excellent goal scoring record. A random but interesting quote from Spurs Danny Rose when talking about Portuguese players says: ?They had some real stars out there and Yannick Djalo is off to Arsenal or Everton or so I heard".

Reports in Belgium say its between Everton and Spartak Moscow that Defour will choose between while a few sources are saying Moyes will enter the running for Nzogbia who is definitely leaving Wigan. I'd be happy with anyone of those 3 as an improvement to what we have but do hope there is some truth in the Djalo rumours.

And, yes I know Everton have no money before you tell me so, but maybe Moyes has already decided who to sell and the strength of these stories are based upon forthcoming sales(s)?
John Crook, jrcrook1979@hotmail.com     Posted 10/06/2011 at 20:16:57

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Luke O'Farrell
1   Posted 11/06/2011 at 01:13:26

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We have to get shut of Yak and Yobo before we can make moves for anyway worth a few quid. Therein lies the problem; by time we get them sorted, these players are likely to already be elsewhere.

Fenerbache aren't willing to meet our £4mil valuation and are looking nearer to £3mil; petty in all honesty, since Yobo has been a revelation over there and scored in the game that won them the league.

Yak looks to be off to Leicester; he is a greedy so and so though and trouble is getting him to lower his current £35k a week wages.

Would love to see us sign N'zogbia. Djalo is unproven and a big gamble and Defour is a more central player and we've got more than enough of them.
Tim Kells
2   Posted 11/06/2011 at 08:15:20

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Don't you just hate this time of year. No footy and just endless speculation. Moyes should have £5M banked already (Pienaar and Vaughan), let's hope he can get rid of Yobo and Yakubu quick then.

I saw a stat the other day, a couple of summers ago we were linked with something like 130 players and signed just 4. We've been linked with nearly 30 already this Summer apparently. May be time to go away and come back in August!
Trevor Lynes
3   Posted 11/06/2011 at 08:55:14

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Other teams have already landed some players and as usual it seems to take an age to get anything off the floor at Goodison.....we certainly are a club of ditherers and constantly seem to missout when competing with other clubs for signatures.
Ive noticed that our signings are not competed for eg; Bily and Heitinga so as soon as i see that any other club are linked with a prospective addition I give up !!
Whats the betting that our team are abroad and nothing is done while DM is away !!!!!!!!!!!!
Richard Dodd
4   Posted 11/06/2011 at 09:52:35

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Late signings mean no extra wages to pay over the summer.Bill and Davey have always tended to be prudent at this stage of the summer.
Nick Taylor
5   Posted 11/06/2011 at 10:23:11

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I kow this is a slightly unrelated artilcle, but I can?t understand why Everton are prepared to run the risk of Fenerbache waking away from the Yobo deal by holding out for 5 to 6 million. What did we pay for him something like 4 mill 7 odd years ago? What?s wrong with a valuation of 25% less than we paid for given his age, ability and miles on the clock in terms of games? Put it this way if you bought a car brand new from the showroom would you expect it to appreciate in value? It just seems another example of Kenwright being unreasonable and unrealistic to the detriment of the manager who won?t be able to get funds in quickly enough before all his transfer targets vanish.
Mike Allison
6   Posted 11/06/2011 at 10:54:10

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Yeah I like Djalo, still young and a bit raw but he's pacy, skilful and looks to run at people. He, or someone like him, is exactly what we've needed for a long time in wide positions. Moyes tried once to buy a player like that, and it seems his Van Der Meyde experience has put him off ever doing it again.

N'Zogbia would also be a good signing, but I think his reputation and the fact that he's already successful in the Premier League mean he'd cost a lot more, so if we've got the money, great, I'll have them both, but if we're as skint as we seem, I'd look for the cheaper option. Personally I'd sign them both and play them both if possible, but it would represent a significant change in philosophy from Moyes if he did that.

Defour I don't know so much about, but I'd like to see a Fellaini-Arteta axis in midfield given time to develop, so again, if money's limited, a central midfielder wouldn't be my priority.

Nick, players aren't cars. Your metaphor is pointless. It makes just as much sense to say he's a house and we bought him cheap, 'did him up' (he's got better and more experienced in his time with us) and we deserve to make a profit for this. The player is worth what someone is prepared to pay and I'm happy to try to get as much as possible rather than 'panic sell' at the first offer that came in.
Sean McKenna
7   Posted 11/06/2011 at 11:07:35

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Last season we struggled at home against the so-called little teams, West Brom, Newcastle etc etc, they came and parked the bus and to be honest we were clueless as how to break the down; my response is 4-3-3.

Now there's lots of rumours flying around about players being linked with the club... personally I'd love to see three: Demba Ba, N'Zogbia and Jarvis. This may sound like playing football manager... and to an extent it is; however, they are all realistic targets, with £5 millon banked from Peinaar and Vaughan and with Yobo and Yak on there way out and maybe getting rid of a few more dead wood, these three are well affordable.

All are young pacey players exactly what we need. My team for next season would be: Howard Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Arteta, Rodwell, Fellaini, N'Zogbia, Jarvis and Ba. Mouthwartering attacking frontline... and maybe when we are playing away, as Moyes is so cautious, could be: Howard, Neville, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Jarvis, Fellaini, Arteta, Cahill, N'Zogbia, Beckford, with a bench of Saha, Osman, Heating! Coleman, Garbutt, Ba and Geuye. There's my thoughts ? bring on next season.

David Crowe
8   Posted 11/06/2011 at 12:01:48

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To add to the Pienaar and Vaughan funds, sell Bily (no less than £6m), Rodwell (no less than £18m), Anichebe, Yobo and Yak and that will cover the N'Zogbia transfer as the max fee should be £11m and Donovan (if less than £5m) and surely we'd have enough money to go for Sturridge/Djalo left. Plus a loan to cover at left back and we'd have twice the squad we did this year, who can actually go forwards through the wingers rather than sideways and a top class young striker (less risky investment financially) rather than an injury prone top class striker who's getting on.

I'd stick with Neville at RB for one more year because I'm sure he's a good influence on the young players and experience is invaluable.
Brian Waring
9   Posted 11/06/2011 at 12:42:34

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Sean & David, what makes you think the Pienaar & Vaughan money is there waiting to be spent?
Tony J Williams
10   Posted 11/06/2011 at 12:46:01

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That's well gone to the bank Brian
Anthony Millington
11   Posted 11/06/2011 at 12:41:26

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Nick, I'm sorry but even though Yobo has fell out with Moyes and has been known to make the odd clanger, he is still a very good player and it's no coincidence that Fenerbache have just won the league with him at the heart of the defence. Surely, if anything this should increase his valuation and he's also recently captained Nigeria to a drubbing of Argentina.

We should get his agent to look for other clubs, because I'm sure someone would be willing to pay more around the 5 million mark for a player of his quality in today's climate of Jones' and Henderson's!
Brian Waring
12   Posted 11/06/2011 at 13:42:22

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Deffo Tony. I just can't understand why people keep bringing it up, as if its burning a hole in BK's pocket.
Richard Dodd
13   Posted 11/06/2011 at 14:03:09

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I think the pot will be in the region of £10 M-always provided sales can be agreed for the Two Ys.Otherwise,it`s going to be half of that and a search for free transfers.The whole of football is beginning to feel the draught-not before time either!
Gareth Morgan
14   Posted 11/06/2011 at 15:09:26

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If we sign any of those players, i'll flash my arse in Woolies window.
Sam Hoare
15   Posted 11/06/2011 at 15:21:03

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Love all the mindless speculation!!

I really think we should sell Billy and Heitinga. I'm sure if Moyes can get in the region of £12-14m for the pair of them he can use it better this time round

Boyata on loan anyone? Not sure i see the point...
Tom Bowers
16   Posted 11/06/2011 at 15:27:25

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The speculation will continue all Summer long and many players will be linked to Everton but unless we can sell some for decent money then the best we can expect is loan deals for lesser known "stars". Seems like many big investors are not interested in buying into Everton but many prefer to enquire after "smaller" clubs on the cheap.
Sometimes I feel that the Everton hierachy are quite happy at Everton's status as long as they function as a viable financial business hence the lack of real urgency about possible incoming investment. Chances are they will not get the kind of money they would like for some of the "stars" they could sell and may keep them around for another season which would be disappointing for the fans who would like to see better results. By the way who did bid for Mikail-Smith?
John Daley
17   Posted 11/06/2011 at 14:31:53

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So, Djalo to Arsenal, Defour to Spartak Moscow, N'zogbia to stay at Wigan, and Everton to end up with some token loan signing I reckon. Probably a defender. Probably shite.

?There was talk of a swap with [Gary] Cahill at Bolton, but Dedryck does not want to go there,? Bienvenu Boyata said in an article in the Daily Mail.

?Everton are showing interest in him as well, and they are very much an option for him.?
Micky Norman
18   Posted 11/06/2011 at 16:11:48

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Gareth, I'll be with you there. Anyone know where there's a Woolies?
Trevor Lynes
19   Posted 11/06/2011 at 16:22:15

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Each ambitious club signs YOUNG players with lots of potential...DM has said that he wants to lower the average age of our squad so we MUST keep the younger players and add to them by gradually off loading those players with more miles on the clock...eg; Yobo, Yak and one or two other fringe squad members like Heitinga and Bily who have both been very disappointing and not worth the money spent on them.
We could offer immediate first team places to N'Zogbia and a decent proven striker and we would not miss any of the ones I have mentioned.
We also need a good left back cover player for Baines...perhaps someone who could play in more than one position.....a decent utility player.
BUT we should move quickly to secure the players that are wanted and not stand idly by waiting for the crumbs....we are EVERTON FFS.
Brian Waring
20   Posted 11/06/2011 at 16:36:52

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Trevor, Moyes looks at every player as a ' Utility ' player, even if they can't play in other positions. I mean, Rodwell on the right - wing.
Nick Taylor
21   Posted 11/06/2011 at 16:54:44

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l Mike, the car analogy was a roundabout way of saying his peak years are behind him. Ok he might have done well for Fenebache this season but since when has the Turkish league been a power house of European football? Don?t forget he was more or less second choice as soon as we got Jags and Lescott so that in itself suggests he had hit a plateau. Fans moan on this site regarding the alleged money we turned down from West Ham for Yakuba and they will be moaning when Yobo comes back into the fold drawing a high wage and contributing little when we screw this deal up as well.
David Hallwood
22   Posted 11/06/2011 at 17:31:00

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Yeah Love the summer; no footy, linked with so many players that you could recreate a scene from Sparticus and at the end of it we'll end up getting Billy the CF of the Dog & Duck whose nickname is the Tarporley Messi. Yeah Fuckin' love summer.
Mike Allison
23   Posted 11/06/2011 at 18:31:08

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I'm not sure I agree his peak years are behind him though Nick, he's 30 years old (albeit a Nigerian 30...) and I'd say this is around peak time for a central defender. Obviously his value is affected by the fact that buyers are unlikely to get resale value, but frankly, I'd want at least what we paid for Distin, who was older when we signed him.

If the deal doesn't go through I'd bring him back and involve him, but then I'd have tried to play Yakubu back into fitness after the signs he showed in the home derby. Although it can be boring in the summer, I have respect for Moyes' (slightly forced) policy of maintaining stability, and I think its part of the reason we out-perform teams around us who spend more on transfers and wages. In a league of mercenaries we are much more of a team than many others, who often seem to be a collection of individuals.

Having said this, it seems Moyes' mind is made up to get shot of Yakubu and Yobo, although he should make more of an effort not to make it so obvious, the art of negotiation is important. Maybe a few statements about how he's looking forward to getting them back and bolstering the squad might convince the tight-arsed potential buyers to stump up. The worst case scenario is we have two quality, proven Premier League and international players in key positions in addition to the squad we've just finished seventh with.
Stephen Leary
24   Posted 11/06/2011 at 20:59:41

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We can't even get Demba Ba we haven't offered enough. The shite want N'Zogbia too, we will sign Jay Bothroyd and thats all, exciting stuff thank you Kenwrong and the board for another great summer and season ahead.
Andrew Yates
25   Posted 11/06/2011 at 21:50:28

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I've just trawled through the Official PFA Transfer List (a geeky thing to do but hey!!)

Why not try and get Seb Larsson if he's not going to Sunderland, there's Reo-Coker (i'm not a fan but he'd strengthen the squad) and Carew, he'd do a job when called upon, maybe a nice foil for Beckford??!! Bothroyd is also on there!! Gamble City i know but what the hey, we're skint!!

I'm tired of always trying to conjure up/discuss/re-discuss/agree/disagree/become depressed by reasons for why we have no money.......WE HAVE NO MONEY........we just have to be satisified with free transfers for the forseeable future.
Tim Kells
26   Posted 11/06/2011 at 23:18:14

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Gareth (14) and Micky (18). The Woolies shops still exist in South Africa. Looks like you've got quite a trip planned!

Andrew (24). Yes, Seb Larsson would be a great addition. I think he used to play for Mrs Doubtfire (Steve Bruce) though, so will probably as you say end up at Sunderland.
Tom Bowers
27   Posted 11/06/2011 at 22:31:21

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Sorry Andrew disagree about all 4 of those players you mention except maybe Carew if Saha is going to be a crock for most games again. Reo-Coker is just another average guy like Osman lets just go with Gueye.
Alex Buckley
28   Posted 12/06/2011 at 06:12:15

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Sorry but filling the squad with more dead wood is plain stupidity. People think because he?s free, let?s have him but it?s the wages that would kill us for a bunch of average players. We need the balance of top end pros plus cheap up & coming kids that balances the budget.

Now getting rid of the Vaughan, Yak & Yobo alone frees up 100k a week & for me Heitinga & Billy can go too (another 100k a week) and Fee?s of between 20-25m

Winger (N'Zogbia) 10m (65k) & Striker (Djalo) 10-15m (65k) & loans, Boyata (35k) Wellbeck (35k)

Then you have to look at the likes of Saha (50k), should we allow him to go?, will we get 20 plus games out of him? & dare I say it Arteta (75k) if the Arse are replacing Fabregas, Defour maybe his replacement to ensure Fellaini signs a new contract.

This is not even mentioning the gutter press who are tipping Rodwell & Baines to leave. No way can Baines be allowed to go anywhere he just can?t be replaced & Rodwell is still only on basic wages so hanging on another season would be prudent as next year I think he?ll really kick on.
Don Kiddick
29   Posted 12/06/2011 at 07:33:33

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Defour....Djalo.......N'Zogbia.......thats 3 names to play with.......here is another 3 thats much closer to the truth.......IT...WONT...HAPPEN!!

Heres another 3.....WE...ARE..SKINT
Heres another 3....WE...WILL..SELL
Heres another 3....I..LOVE...EVERTON
John Anderson
30   Posted 12/06/2011 at 09:34:09

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Ross Barkley will be like a new signing, he was back in training at the end of last season , and i was told by someone who coaches at finch farm that he is shit hot and should be playing for the first team next season.
Karl Meighan
31   Posted 12/06/2011 at 10:23:03

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Its those kind of names and players we should be competing for to strengthen and trying to improve every season.

Obviously i dont expect four and five big names every year but two or three of the kind of players mentioned should not be out of range.

We have had fairly consistent high league positions over a period with European football being achieved, so once again we have to ask? How the fuck can Sunderland, Newcastle and a host of other Premier League clubs compete for these players when in the same period they have even suffered relegation.
Neil Vaughan
32   Posted 12/06/2011 at 10:37:55

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don't worry about new signings they're one the way.....Get ready for the Boardroom/Elstone spin over the next few weeks..."When Fellinni is fit it will be like having a new signing....When Yobo returns it will be like having a a new signing....A fully fit Saha will be like having a new signing..blah blah blah."

So a new defender, midfielder and striker due for pre-season....I can't wait.
Trevor Lynes
33   Posted 12/06/2011 at 10:56:49

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What really sickens me is seeing other clubs doing something to freshen up their squads and we do NOTHING !! Our players seemingly have jobs for life and can play if they want to....where is the competition ???
Its no wonder players like Howard, Cahill, Hibbo and Neville speak glowingly of our set up....they know that their jobs are safe....I want to see more genuine competition for places otherwise the more ambitious younger players will want to leave...I have NEVER blamed Rooney for leaving...he had ambition and unfortunately our beloved EVERTON does not under the present regime.
DM has taken this squad as far as he can !!!!!!! A new manager would want funds.
Paul Olsen
34   Posted 12/06/2011 at 11:21:20

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I´d get excited about both Defour or N´Zogbia, but we´re probably not interested in any of these players when it comes down to business.
Brian Waring
35   Posted 12/06/2011 at 11:20:54

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Karl, they can compete because they are willing to pay the wages these players would be after, we can't, because we are fucking skint.

Nick Armitage
36   Posted 12/06/2011 at 12:28:50

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Brian Waring - under normal circumstances I would agree totally that the £5M is banked to slightly reduce the overdraft.

However I have heard a few whispers from people in the game, that Moyes has money available this summer.

Watch this space.
Gary Carter
37   Posted 12/06/2011 at 12:37:30

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Trevor Lynes, are you honestly calling for Moyes to be sacked because YOU feel he doesnt want any transfer funds.......I mean, is that seriously what you are saying ?!?!?!??!?!?!
Brian Waring
38   Posted 12/06/2011 at 13:44:08

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Nick, If we couldn't afford to even bring in some loan signings in Jan, and even had to send players out to save money, then forgive me for being sceptical about cash for Moyes this time around.
Roberto Birquet
39   Posted 12/06/2011 at 15:10:58

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Nick Taylor
I kow this is a slightly unrelated artilcle, but I can?t understand why Everton are prepared to run the risk of Fenerbache waking away from the Yobo deal by holding out for 5 to 6 million.
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They only offered £2m. I would expect us to get more than that. If not from Fen, the someone else. If it is just £3.5m, then we'll have done the right thing.

Must admit, don't know Djalo, but if it's true he plays up front and wing - as does N'Zogbia - this would seem to be what Moyes is looking for. It would be the typical Moyes plan, got no money, so look for utility players.

I reckon we need £20m for two strikers and a winger.

If we could choose, then we'd just lose Yak, yobo,Vaughan, Pienaar (maybe I'm being optimistic that his fee will go to squad building), and Bily. That would come to about maybe £17m. Perhaps, more out than in means wage savings to account for the £3m overpsend? Touch optimistic on my part again??
Trevor Mackie
40   Posted 12/06/2011 at 15:41:56

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This reminds me of when I was a kid looking at the Littlewoods catalogue - dreaming - if only. (not the lingerie models - that was much later, tee hee).
Steve Cotton
41   Posted 12/06/2011 at 16:29:33

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If we had Djalo and N'Zogbia then we could survive with the Yak and King Louis up front along with Beckford and the Greek lad. We would not need to be spending millions on a striker when we would surely be able to get ten goals each from the above 3.
The place we need reinforcements apart from the wings is probably attacking midfield.. Osman is the man there at the moment but Adam scores plenty from this position and bring a range of shooting we dont have.
I would suggest selling Yobo and Bily for a combined £ 10 mill and brining the 2 wingers in.
Adam would have to be funded from the sale of Jagielka with Jonny slotting in at the back..
Trevor Lynes
42   Posted 12/06/2011 at 17:48:23

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Gary...I do not see what you supposedly 'read' into my comments and if you have read all the others I have written then you would know that I dont want DM to leave....BUT I do believe that under the present regime and financial restraints at EFC...DM has taken the club as far as he can.
What remains is whether or not he will have a transfer budget available to use.
I also said that if he did leave a new manager would want a budget to work with.
I sincerely hope that DM does not leave but he must be very frustrated when he sees other clubs being active in the transfer market while he remains the old mother Hubbard of the division.
I have already said that competition for places should be a must in every ambitious side and without it complacency sets in.
Ian Tunstead
43   Posted 12/06/2011 at 19:07:30

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I see Rodwell has been dropped from the England U21 starting line up. Pearce must be starting to see what everyone else sees.
Gary Carter
44   Posted 12/06/2011 at 19:39:20

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Trevor, no I havent read all your other posts on here and without wanting to sound rude, why would I have ? I just "read into" your commment that you felt Moyes should leave, it would appear from what you say that this is not what you were saying and I was wrong, apologies.

I also wholeheartedly agree with you that we need competition in all places or complacency sets in, this is also something Moyes has said on numerous occasions in the past
Trevor Lynes
45   Posted 12/06/2011 at 22:45:29

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I believe that DM's hands are tied and he basically has to toe the party line and cover for the boards financial inadequacies......I have always believed that if a player loses form he should be dropped and play in the reserves until he improves....now he is allowed to sit on the bench or continue to play....its exactly the same when a player comes back from injury....very few play reserve games to become match fit but are allowed to come on for 15 minute cameo's (on full pay)...... I admire Nevilles leadership qualities but I am certain that if he were a Man Utd player he would be retiring with his brother.
Fran Mitchell
46   Posted 13/06/2011 at 02:40:22

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Ian@42:

I see Pearce didn't pick Rodwell, and then chose to pick Macienne and that seems to be a royal balls-up. Rodwell then comes on in the second half and low-and-behold the midfield seems to perform with much more efficiency and less headless-chicken running.

I don't get this development of Rodwell is over-rated shit. He's 20, had 2 season that have been inter-ruped by injury and has been played in every position but his own due to the necessity to play the best-little-spaniard we know. Fact is, he is gonna be a very good player. He may not be the second coming of Jesus Christ Our Lord. He may not become a world player of the year. But he will become a very good player, the sort we should try and keep at this club. He will certainly be better than anything we can buy.

Next season we should have Fellaini and Rodwell as the starting central midfield. Then have Arteta, Osman and Cahill compete for the extra central midfield role (we're always gonna play 4-5-1 or some development of this).

The fact that that idiot 'god knows why he's got a job, he wasn't even a good football player' psycho Pearce didn't pick him yet chose to pick an average centre back who hardly played for wolves last season ahead of him say's more about him than it does about Rodwell.
Fran Mitchell
47   Posted 13/06/2011 at 02:50:49

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Sorry, Ian@41
Jason Lam
48   Posted 13/06/2011 at 05:32:22

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Can't see N'Zogbia happening even if he was on pairity with Arteta. He looks the person who needs to be alpha dog at a club, takes all free kicks, corners, penalties. Won't happen plus we couldn't afford the transfer. Shame though he could be a bit useful for us.
Steve Pugh
49   Posted 13/06/2011 at 08:14:19

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Having read all the dreamers on here I thought I would say something equally as possible.

Why don't we sell Vic for £50m, Duffy for £50m and Saha for £100m. Then we could clear all of the clubs debt, trick Barca into selling us Messi for £20 and have loads of money left for a party.
Erik Dols
50   Posted 13/06/2011 at 10:44:57

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The one thing that annoys me the most:

We won't splash out for new players other than a part of the money we bring in from sales. Now if that meant that we would reduce the loans significantly, I wouldn't be happy but I could see that it is for the good in the long run. But in one year time, we probably will have even higher debts! I hardly see a way out of this other than an invester buying the club.
John Pickles
51   Posted 13/06/2011 at 11:56:35

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Saw this one in the Sunday Times's possible transfer list amongst all the top prem clubs: 'Dale Jennings (Tranmere to Bayern Munich)'. I know some fans have mentioned him on this site as one for the future and have once seen him myself but if he is actually on Bayern Munich's radar I hope he on ours.
Tom Bowers
52   Posted 13/06/2011 at 23:16:04

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Alex,
Saha is a problem. Yes he is a class act but not getting any younger. Everton are paying him 52 weeks wages but is that justified if we only get 20 games from him (some not even 90 mins). If we knew he would get 12-15 prem.goals in that time then he would be worth paying. The flipside is letting hime go to some club who could pay a reasonable sum for an injury prone forward and the wages could be used on a replacement who may not be out every other match. We have several others also who could be worth letting go now as new blood is needed to improve this squad.
Karl Meighan
53   Posted 14/06/2011 at 09:10:28

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Did anyone hear what that loser dickhead Pearce said? "If we would have had more possesion we would have hammered them".

Another Pearce classic "Muamba has just produced the best holding midfield players role that i have ever seen in a England jersey".

I dont think Rodwells a world beater but offers much more than Mancienne.

Rodwell at his age has a chance in the future of playing for the England full side if he can get back to what he was before the last seasons hiccup, Mancienne's best chance of ever playing for the full England team was because he was at Chelsea and nothing else he hasn't even got that going for him now.

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