I remember this time last year being really frustrated when the season finished. The summer was spent in a restless state constantly checking the various online media for any news on new signings in the summer. I even posted on here that we had a fighting chance of a Champions League spot last July. How differently things turned out and now last summer?s attitude looking back seems a hopelessly naive one.
I see already the comments from Johnny Heitinga and Marouane Fellaini about their frustrations and their desire to play Champions League football and I hope we don?t have another summer of endless fruitless negotiations with these two to stay.
If they want to leave then so be it. I hope DM can be decisive and simply cash in on these two if their press comments are proved to be accurate. That way the money can then be re-invested into the squad whilst there is still time.
But whatever happens I won?t be sticking my neck out and predicting Champions League football next season. All I hope is that we can start off nice and positive and not have to play catch-up in the second half of the season. Oh, and please please please ? if we lose in the FA Cup god pray it won?t be to a lower league club. That's the sum total of my hopes for the next season, all else will be a bonus...
Now i am off to check the online portals again....... here is hoping for some nice summer bargains.
Alun Jones, Posted 19/06/2011 at 03:59:25
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1 Posted 19/06/2011 at 09:09:35
2 Posted 19/06/2011 at 09:02:27
I like Felliani as a holding midfielder but i dont think he has been anywhere near consistent enough to have paid back the big money invested yet.
These two should be concentrating on getting in the Everton first team and proving there worth before spouting about wanting to play in the Champions League.
Is there a player alive who doesn't want to play Champions League football?
Has Felliani had more than 20 good games for us? Plus results have improved greatly both times he has been injured. Yes Felliani has showed signs of being top quality but his influence on were we have finished in the Prem has been minimal.
Both these players obviously believe they are top quality and good enough to play for a Champions League team, so with them at the top of there game with the other good players they have around them surely we should be pushing for the top four? It hasn't happened as for one reason or another neither Felliani or Heitinga have produced the form or quality for long enough periods that is required to qualify for the Champions League.
I could understand these kind of comments if they were both playing out there skin and were way above the other players we have but they haven't and have a fight on getting in the Everton first team so what makes them think there good enough for the Champions League?
3 Posted 19/06/2011 at 09:18:23
4 Posted 19/06/2011 at 10:21:33
5 Posted 19/06/2011 at 10:27:21
When we signed Felli and Johnny i new we would get 2/3 years out of them before they moved on.
With one year left of Felli's contract its time to sell and i wouldn't be surprised if JH goes too.
BUT not because of any comments they may or may not have made
Its simply because NOW is the right time to sell
Neither will sign a new contract, that's obvious
Under BK and the other invisible directors the only way forward is to sell your best/most valuable players every other season and then hope DM gets part of the cash.
Thats life as a blue, and i hate it
6 Posted 19/06/2011 at 11:01:41
In a ideal world we wouldn't sell anybody and players would be added as the squad is small anyway but i cannot see that happening. Moyes and Kenwright took the same gamble with Piennar and it failed.
Baines apart i dont see it as mission impossible to replace any of are players based on last season.
7 Posted 19/06/2011 at 11:05:32
Kenshite's ego will continue to slowly erode the once great club further and further into a meaningless feeder club for other sides better ran as businesses and with more ambition.
8 Posted 19/06/2011 at 11:21:33
The issue is if they are going to be sturuggling to make the top 4 with the squad they have have than how the fuck are we ever going to challenge the four as well. We a light years behind spurs in all areas on and off the field.
It'll be another 7/8th place finish. Do not see us finishing any higher.
9 Posted 19/06/2011 at 11:30:02
Quite right, we need to be as mercenary as the players; the days when the opinions of self-important and vastly overpaid egotistical players and their scheming agents are perhaps at an end due to advances in technology.
Whilst the media and fans become involved in little more than a feeding frenzy those that really matter, the clubs, particularly the top clubs who can afford it, are becoming increasingly reliant upon highly developed statistical analysis, A fascinating insight into what is really happening in the industry can be found here:
It's a double edge sword of course, selling clubs can hold out and attempt to negotiate the highest price as long as they like; however, information is power and you should always negotiate from a position of strength; those top clubs, the ones with the money, are investing heavily in this technology so the days of receiving more for less are perhaps, sadly, at an end.
We're being left, inextricably, further and further behind, the current boards philosophy of asset disposal to fund the business, [the tangibles have all gone, we're well into the intangibles], is about to be dealt what could be its death knell.
10 Posted 19/06/2011 at 12:57:15
If we sell both we will need to go out and buy a first-team standard central midfielder to work alongside Arteta. I would rather keep Rodwell because he is an Evertonian and we should be building our side around the indiividuals who understand whar it means to be a Blue.
Sell Fellaini for £25m.
Sell Yak/Yobo for £6m
Sell Bily for £6m
That's £37m, of which we will get about £20m to spend on:
N'Zogbia for £10m
Defoe for £7m
and the rest on free transfer fees and wage increases.
With Gueye, Velios and Barkley coming through next season and a fair few other youngsters that could emerge to boost the numbers we will be fine with these few additions.
11 Posted 19/06/2011 at 16:26:03
12 Posted 19/06/2011 at 16:50:00
13 Posted 19/06/2011 at 18:26:15
I also want a Lamborghini, and to wake up with Liz Hurley, but you can't always get what you want so I bought FIFA2011 and Gran Tourismo.
I'm still working on Liz Hurley.
I don't hold it against Fellaini at all - good luck to him if he wants to play for a top club. Will it happen? Who knows, only time will tell if he's even seen to be good enough. Personally I doubt it. He's a 'sub-top' club player at best in my opinion and a team like Everton is about his limit but you never know.
Nowt wrong with having ambition, so calling him a mercenary is a little short sighted.
14 Posted 19/06/2011 at 18:29:42
15 Posted 19/06/2011 at 19:21:35
If it's any consolation i knew a lad a few years back who worked on data analysis for a company employed by Everton. Like i say though that was a few years back and i don't know where they're at with it now
16 Posted 19/06/2011 at 21:24:24
17 Posted 19/06/2011 at 22:23:29
Even if he signs he can still move in the next couple of years as contracts these days are simply signed so that the club can obtain a better transfer fee. If players want to go they go. Just watch Modric leave Spurs.
I rate Fellaini, he's grown into the defensive midfield role. Powerful in the air and commands his part of the pitch. We should definitely keep him.
If we sign anybody this summer I just hope Moyes keeps to his buying good young players policy. I don't want us to start buying players who have already reached their peak and are on the way down. Otherwise we'll be back in the 1990's again.
18 Posted 20/06/2011 at 02:37:00
The question is will one want him? He is undoubtedly good enough so we will see. Only think that counts against him are his injuries. Other than that he is an awesome talent considering his age. Ten times the player Rodwell will ever be already. Sad but true
19 Posted 20/06/2011 at 02:16:24
20 Posted 20/06/2011 at 09:34:04
My worry is, D,E & F dont seem to want to play for us and we will end up with X,Y & Z (eg, the Wes Browns of football)
21 Posted 20/06/2011 at 12:24:04
To be honest I don't mind the fact that we've no money to spend and that we can no longer play the game of spending more on more money on wages for already ludicrously overpaid and largely underperforming 'stars', I don't mind if we don't splash £10M on players either, but I'd rather that there was a concerted strategy in place and the board came out and made it clear what it was. For instance, we could say that the Everton way for the next 5 years will be to sell 1 big player each summer but bring through 4 or 5 youth players from our own program as well as bought elsewhere and we pledge to give youth a chance (thus making us more attractive to the loanees and lower division kids looking for a step up and some first team action). I'm not saying it has to be that approach by the way (even though I think it's a sensible one), but we need 'an' approach and one that the whole club can revolve around. Right now it feels like we're stuck in no-mans land trying to compete with the same basic strategy as other clubs but not having the resources to actually do it.
I do appreciate that the board (and Moyes) have come clean on the fact there's no money and tried to manage expectations, but I think there's an opportunity to turn the negative into a positive and actively work with the situation we're in (still one of the top 10 Premier league earners but without large wads of cash) and are likely to remain in for the next 2, 3, 4 or considerably more years. If life gives you lemons...
Oh and talking of lemons, if Felliani and Heitinga want out, I say let's dry our eyes and get the business done now so we at least now where we are and we're not left in Lescott or worse still Pienaar land again. I like both of them in their correct positions but when players don't want to play or get too big for their boots it's time to say goodbye. Once we've cut our losses on Yobo and Yak too and taken a haircut on Billy we'd be left with a sum of money (realistically should be £30-40mill) to pay off some debts and invest in players - I'd guess the balance will be either 50/50 or 60/40 in favour of transfers.
I appreciate the squad would need some fleshing then, but as has been mentioned elsewhere Heitinga and Felliani have been bit-part players (the former routinely awful out of position - not nec his fault I appreciate - the latter injured), Yobo and Yak haven't been here and Billy for all his occasional rocket-shots appears more a liability.
Ultimately let's avoid the usual fannying about and just get things done - shipping Vaughan was a positive start, let's continue in that vein.
22 Posted 20/06/2011 at 14:14:02
23 Posted 21/06/2011 at 20:50:27
I believe Jamie O'Hara is a perfect example and now he's gone to a mickey mouse team like Wolves for 5 million.
Our excellent midfield could not accommodate him? Don't make me laugh. Maybe his wage demands are too much for Everton to pay but how much are we wasting on Biley and Osman?
Plus Arteta,Fellaini and Rodwell didn't earn a seasons wages with all the games they missed between them.but then again maybe Moyes doesn't rate him and if that's the reason then more fool Moyes. Better for Moyes to sign comparitive no-names just to be in the reserves or sit on the bench.
24 Posted 22/06/2011 at 13:26:50
And Biley hasnt played for us since the 80's.
And he was proper shite!
25 Posted 22/06/2011 at 13:42:55
I think we have seen Arteta's best years and Biley(letdinov) doesn't cut it for me.
Rodwell is a defender pure and simple and Fellaini should be a holding player
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