Pienaar price problem...

It's partly Pienaar's fault: he wanted the move and, now it hasn't worked out, he wants back in. He should force it through if he wants it that bad.

I personally don't think we will see him back next season sadly.

Plus there is also the possibility that they will hang on to him hoping he can produce the form he displayed playing for us.

His (Levy's) only gamble re Pienaar (or for that matter any other club interested in him) is how much Pienaar wants to stay at Everton.

As annoying as it is for clubs and as much as every club/manager would love to stick their sour-faced/'unhapy' players in the reserves, unless you're City or Chelsea, it just isn't financially viable to have a player who is picking up 50.000 and upwards a week, who doesn't give a fuck.

Everton's best (only?) chance of getting Pienaar rests with Pienaar.

ie: That he he's 'not happy' at Spurs and turns down Sunderland or..whoever (have a feeling if City/Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal came in for him, we would be fucked off quicker than you can say 'God is great')

Anyway, so far Pienaar has (I'm delighted to say) fucked off Spurs supporters and done as much as he can to let the world know where his heart lies.

I'm sure Levy would whup anyone on our board at poker, but he'll also know keeping Pienaar because he can't get 6m could blow up in his face.

Whatever happens, I can't really see him staying at Spurs.

My guess is he'll go, but probably somewhere else.

Hope I'm wrong as I think he's a great link-up player and I have NEVER seen him pass a ball and just stand there.

The semi-final against Liverpool told us that we are lost without one of these wingers.
Drenthe could be a risk, but we have no alternative, his assists and goals are vital.

If we can not get Pienaar then we will be forced to go after a replacement.
Coleman or Gueye is just not good enough.
Personally I would want both Pienaar and Drenthe, Pienaar on the left and Drenthe on the right.
Moyes has a tough job, he will resist getting Drenthe, but will he be desperate enough to give Drenthe a second chance?

I dont normally have a go at TWebbers but please just finally put Drenthe to rest ffs. The guy was an idiot and its not worth wasting money (we dont have) on him. Even Heitinger pretty much said he was a basket case so just stop going on about him.

How old are you anyway - you sound like an 8 year old whos lost his favourite toy!

Jimmy needs an intervention, or an admission to a brain clinic for a Drenthectomy.

Jimmy... one more time... Drenthe... is... gone.

He's history... unwanted... undesired... dismissed... banished... kaput... verklempt.... outta here... never coming back.

Ah, forget it. There's no hope. You can kick heroin or crack, but you can't kick a Drenthe dependence.

To be honest Drenthes aint much better.

We had some ambition at the end of last season but the horizon is looking decidedly murky now!

I'd say a max of £1m for each year of a contract. And what would we offer? him Three years, four at a stretch. So I'd say £3 million, plus £1m add on if he signs an extension.

We always seem to be "desperate" for money!

The real question is how much of our resurgence was due to him and how much can be attributed to the likes of Gibson, Jelavic & Donovan.

Pienaar has been a part of the piss-poor starts we've had in the past. I think the upturn in results was a combination of Pienaar, the other signings, and the other players' confidence being lifted by these signings. I think the chances of us making the CL even with Pienaar are very slim, it would take at least 4 more quality signings before it is realistic.

I'm with Roberto on this one, Pienaar is quality but I would not pay more than £3m on him to only get a few years service and little possibility of selling on for money.

Holiett off to Germany? Now there's a player worth taking a chance on. Should Barkley be good and you are boasting Fellaini, Pienaar, Holiett and Barkley in mid, well all you need is a another front man and the CL dream is not too insane. However, investing on long term reward is not an Everton trait. The place has been run for years like a private equity firm, because it's for sale, don't leverage long term debt as it puts buyers off. The problem is, lack of investment degrades the offering; it's a big year indeed for EFC.

It's would be better investing that sort of money on a younger like Holliet who would provide long term gains.

Regarding Pienaar - he quit Everton because BK and Dour Davey would not agree to give him the same wages as Arteta. If we now pay more than £3M for him ,say the £5 or £6 Mill that has been suggested then the stupidity of allowing him to go for such a pittance in the first place will be laid bare. All those saying he was sold cheap because his contract had run down should ask themselves who was responsible for allowing that to happen and of course it comes back to the same incompetents BK and Dour Davey. You can if you like blame Pienaar but if he had been offered a salary equivalence with Arteta I don't think we would be having this conversation now.

Players entering their 30's should start to become bit part players and not be heavily relied upon - even Giggs plays a reduced amount.

We signed Distin for over £5M in his thirties. Arsenal paid £10M for Arteta who was 29 at the time. Now 30.

It's not as if Pienaar is some speed demon striker. He will continue to do what he does now for a good few seasons.

Now I'm not saying we should go spending big money on ageing players but consider this, if Pienaar was our player at the moment with years left on his contract would you be happy to sell him for £3M? He is worth more and the fact of the matter is others will pay more so what makes us so special that Spurs should sell him to us cheap?

Levy and Kenwright are supposedly big mates, so you'd think he should be able to sort this one out with no fuss.........oh wait.