Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
Our Next Captain?
In all probability, this season will be Phil Neville's last as a regular starter and Captain.
This got me thinking: Who will be our next permanent captain? My choice would be Bainesy as I believe he is totally committed to the cause and would most certainly lead by example. Also, I expect (hope!) he will be staying with us long term.
Your thoughts please, fellow Toffeewebbers?
Eddie Tully, Posted 18/10/2012 at 09:49:34
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961 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:35:16
962 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:32:10
Don't think Baines is captain material personally. I like players who lead through organising and good communication skills and don't feel Bainsey has those leadership skills.
963 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:34:24
965 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:55:47
978 Posted 18/10/2012 at 17:06:17
986 Posted 18/10/2012 at 17:48:44
I've got a feeling he might be going before long. Just a feeling...
I agree Baines isn't vocal enough to be Captain but I think Gibson is an interesting shout. I've been very impressed by him, even though I referred to him as a 'jobber' when we signed him.
But it is down to Moyes and I am convinced he will give it to Jagielka.
988 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:15:54
989 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:22:22
993 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:37:33
996 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:44:52
I would love to have an aggressive big-mouthed nark of a captain but can't really see anyone in our squad who appears to have that innate leader 'thing'.
To be fair, this type of player seems to be a dying breed.
Nolan at West Ham is one of the few who reminds me of the type of player every team used to have not so long ago.
Someone who, through a combination of ability and sheer force of personality, seems able to drag those around him to greater heights.
When I've watched him over the years, he's come across as one of the few who, despite earning fortunes, appears to GENUINELY hate losing and looks like he would run over his own grandmother to win a ball.
(yeah I know, dirty bastard. redshite. etc blah, but personally, I wish we had signed him 5 years back).
Come to think of it, I'd basically give the job to 'the cock of Everton' (whoever that is).
At least that way you know anyone not following 'orders' is sweating after the game and that (so to speak) they're all 'singing from the same song-sheet'.
Rather than now (makes that cupped ear gesture) pretending they didn't hear Phil Neville.
Actually there's a question.
Who do you reckon the cock of Everton is?
(nb: got to be old fashioned fighting - not Barkley reaching into his trackie bottoms and saying "Lad, jer know 'oo am wid?")
998 Posted 18/10/2012 at 19:25:47
I heard an interview with Tim Howard where he said Felli always pretends not to understand English whenever Moyes tells him what to do. And when Moyes does finally make him understand, Felli nods his head and proceeds to do whatever he wants anyway! Legend!
001 Posted 18/10/2012 at 19:35:02
I cant get past the first line of your article, many of us have been predicting the demise of Neville for years but a few months short of his 36th birthday and he is still playing every game.
Face it — he is never going to go!!!
003 Posted 18/10/2012 at 19:37:10
None of players seem to be captain material and Baines has been our best player since he joined us, he is also local which I like.
011 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:09:07
012 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:25:00
015 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:38:44
Moyes's pet player, I am afraid, so you're probably right but the next captain of Everton in my opinion is currently not at the club.
018 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:22:36
I live in Sheffield and the Sheff U fans still love him. They understood why he had to leave. If they had stayed in the premier league he would have stayed. They needed the cash and he stuck with them long after he could have moved on for big bucks. He's level headed, not a money grabbing no mark. He seems to love Everton and will stay as long as he's wanted.
019 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:54:11
I've seen Heitinga as a leader since he came to us. I'm not sure if he is truly commited to Everton, though.
Third choice Fellaini.
Distin would been there if not for his age.
020 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:54:11
I've seen Heitinga as a leader since he came to us. I'm not sure if he is truly commited to Everton, though.
Third choice Fellaini.
Distin would been there if not for his age.
025 Posted 18/10/2012 at 22:38:24
030 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:12:12
031 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:14:56
033 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:43:41
034 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:48:10
As for Heitinga and Fellaini, you must be joking.
035 Posted 19/10/2012 at 02:31:42
037 Posted 19/10/2012 at 04:26:15
038 Posted 19/10/2012 at 05:36:01
043 Posted 19/10/2012 at 07:51:34
059 Posted 19/10/2012 at 09:20:54
My 2nd choice would actually be Tim Howard. I just think the idea of a captain should be a non-stop talker (Neville, Heitinga and Howard are). I've never seen Jagielka barking orders or pointing the finger
068 Posted 19/10/2012 at 09:34:53
According to an interview with P Nev,which I saw on the build up to the semi-final last season, "nobody messes with Distin. Nobody".
I'd still fancy Dunc to sort him out though.
069 Posted 19/10/2012 at 09:36:38
Jags is obvious and would be a top captain now, at 30, and would have been for several years. But Pip has been great in this respect, and has also managed to save a few yellow cards bty good ref talk. Bainesy, no no no., he inspires by quality of play not position.
087 Posted 19/10/2012 at 12:21:05
No arguments from me there.
128 Posted 19/10/2012 at 15:04:42
132 Posted 19/10/2012 at 15:43:34
He all but runs the team anyway!
138 Posted 19/10/2012 at 15:48:43
There aren't too many captains in the side, DISTIN is the most likeable, most intelligent, bravest and probably most deserving but there is his age and I sometimes question his determination (but recently I've seen this improve). I think Distin is the sort of modest leader that certain players really (should) look up to.
Jagielka is brave and genuine but without the charisma required of a leader IMO and Baines is just too quiet and thoughtful although a genuine bloke.
Who does that leave? Pienaar has a touch of the mongrel, came up through the mean streets and is a tireless worker as well as being the architect of some of our best football but is arguably too quiet.
I don't like giving the armband to the GK because he can't get amongst it and lead by example, also I don't want my keeper distracted by anything other than keeping the ball out of the onion bag.
Hibbert, great attitude but probably not good enough technically to have his opinion respected by young scallys.
Osman, good technical player, Evertonian, seen it all, puts a shift in, knows what it means to the fans, probably deserves a swan song.. hmm possibility.
139 Posted 19/10/2012 at 16:01:48
Unfortunately, we don't have anyone quite like this. Fellaini has a bit of a dirty streak when he wants and is definitely a focal point, but I don't think he is vocal enough and I'm not sure when you are up against the wall, whether he is the sort to bellow out commands that he demands you follow. I think Jags is a good player (when he's not hoofing it) but he's not vocal enough either. Eugene's correct in saying there aren't many of those players left (although I'm personally glad we didn't sign Nolan, I hate Alladyse brand football).
In summary we haven't got an old school captain amongst our talented squad. The only thing I would ask is that it is a centre back or a centre mid who is made captain.
144 Posted 19/10/2012 at 16:15:38
163 Posted 19/10/2012 at 16:55:24
Also, Eugene you have brought up another question. How much does it actually matter? Although you certainly eulogised aplenty considering you don't care. Not having a go by the way, I wouldn't dare, I've seen what you can do with only words (shudders)!
I supppose that leaves the following serious contenders: Jags, Johnny, Sylan, Gibbo, Ossie..... oh and Royston!
ToffeeWeb poll anyone?
199 Posted 19/10/2012 at 21:26:33
FFS, leave him alone! He's happy doing what he does. Same goes for Pienaar.
One v good thing about Pip, is that if a ref calls one of our players over, our on-field solicitor is by his side, advising, deflecting the ref's attention, delaying perhaps. Time to cool down, to think
Hibbo, legend yes, cap'n, no. Fellaini? Love the guy, would have made it to about 17 on my list. Ossie wouldn't be a bad choice. Howard perhaps as a person, but keepers have to stay pretty much where they are. No.
New boys, and that includes Nikica, obiviously not - but Jela as captain? Now there's an idea! Big Vic? Oh dear, but he is beginning to look a bit like the fabled 'new signing' at last.
So Jags or Johnny? I would love it to be Heitinga - a hard man who reads the game. But like many, I fear he is becoming considerably less happy. Jags then. Nobody could doubt his commitment to the cause. And it could improve him as a player, these things have happened. But a well-brought up lad from Sale? He would be a brill ambassador for the club, but who do you want in there when the bullets are flying? Phil Neville.
So
217 Posted 20/10/2012 at 00:24:35
Traditional captain's seem to be defensive players, or at least players who can appreciate most what is happening across the pitch, so I'm not sold on someone like Jelavic. I also don't think goalkeepers can most effectively provide the authority needed.
For me its Jags!
276 Posted 20/10/2012 at 11:30:56
A winner's attitude and belief must be part of it. And he is a very good team player as well as a lone wolf individual – quite a combination.
Whoever would make a good captain should have a lot of Jelavic's quality about them.
299 Posted 20/10/2012 at 15:37:02
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960 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:32:31