Our Next Captain?

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In all probability, this season will be Phil Neville's last as a regular starter and Captain.

This got me thinking: Who will be our next permanent captain? My choice would be Bainesy as I believe he is totally committed to the cause and would most certainly lead by example. Also, I expect (hope!) he will be staying with us long term.

Your thoughts please, fellow Toffeewebbers?

Eddie Tully, Liverpool     Posted 18/10/2012 at 09:49:34

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Tom Campbell
960 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:32:31
Phil Jagielka deserves it
Edward Simpson
961 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:35:16
Phil Jagielka, leave Baines to do what he does best, he doesn't need more pressure on his shoulders.
Jamie Armstrong
962 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:32:10
The armband has got Jags' name on it I recon. Osman is next in line and dare I say it Heitinga if he stays long enough.

Don't think Baines is captain material personally. I like players who lead through organising and good communication skills and don't feel Bainsey has those leadership skills.

James Conboy
963 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:34:24
It's a tough one because yeah Phil Jagielka and both Lleyton Baines deserve it as much as each other but if it was up to me I'd go with Baines as captain and Jagielka to remain as Vice Captain. Reason being that Baines would be a fantastic leader and the appointment I think would guarantee that he'll retire a Toffee.
Brian Hill
965 Posted 18/10/2012 at 15:55:47
Gibson, I reckon. He looks to be a long term player, has already experienced the greatness of EFC, and has a strong personality.
Andrew Ellams
978 Posted 18/10/2012 at 17:06:17
I guess the biggest clue will be who gets it when Gibson comes back if Neville drops down to the bench.
Lee Courtliff
986 Posted 18/10/2012 at 17:48:44
At the end of last season I would have said Heitinga but I'm not so sure now.

I've got a feeling he might be going before long. Just a feeling...

I agree Baines isn't vocal enough to be Captain but I think Gibson is an interesting shout. I've been very impressed by him, even though I referred to him as a 'jobber' when we signed him.

But it is down to Moyes and I am convinced he will give it to Jagielka.

Ryan Holroyd
988 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:15:54
Leighton Baines for me. He's our best player and I'd like the captain to lead by example.
Joel Durkin
989 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:22:22
If Heitinga was in form I think he would be a good long term shout, but at the moment Jagielka deserves it.
Pat Finegan
993 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:37:33
Gibson. He is like Phil Neville if Phil Neville wasn't Phil Neville. A no-nonsense, Moyes-type player but with a ton of skill to go with his "no dicking around" attitude. Jags appears to be effective when given the role as well. Could be a better option as he is 5 (?) years Gibson's senior.
Eugene Ruane
996 Posted 18/10/2012 at 18:44:52
To be honest, I don't really mind/care who the next captain is because I don't think it'll make much difference either way.

I would love to have an aggressive big-mouthed nark of a captain but can't really see anyone in our squad who appears to have that innate leader 'thing'.

To be fair, this type of player seems to be a dying breed.

Nolan at West Ham is one of the few who reminds me of the type of player every team used to have not so long ago.

Someone who, through a combination of ability and sheer force of personality, seems able to drag those around him to greater heights.

When I've watched him over the years, he's come across as one of the few who, despite earning fortunes, appears to GENUINELY hate losing and looks like he would run over his own grandmother to win a ball.

(yeah I know, dirty bastard. redshite. etc blah, but personally, I wish we had signed him 5 years back).

Come to think of it, I'd basically give the job to 'the cock of Everton' (whoever that is).

At least that way you know anyone not following 'orders' is sweating after the game and that (so to speak) they're all 'singing from the same song-sheet'.

Rather than now (makes that cupped ear gesture) pretending they didn't hear Phil Neville.

Actually there's a question.

Who do you reckon the cock of Everton is?

(nb: got to be old fashioned fighting - not Barkley reaching into his trackie bottoms and saying "Lad, jer know 'oo am wid?")

Dave White
998 Posted 18/10/2012 at 19:25:47
Not a serious suggestion but Fellaini as captain would be awesome.

I heard an interview with Tim Howard where he said Felli always pretends not to understand English whenever Moyes tells him what to do. And when Moyes does finally make him understand, Felli nods his head and proceeds to do whatever he wants anyway! Legend!

Sean Patton
001 Posted 18/10/2012 at 19:35:02
Eddie,

I cant get past the first line of your article, many of us have been predicting the demise of Neville for years but a few months short of his 36th birthday and he is still playing every game.

Face it — he is never going to go!!!

Paul David
003 Posted 18/10/2012 at 19:37:10
A captain's place in the team shouldn't be under question ( age permitting), so it should be someone who is one of our best performers. Seeing as we don't have the type of player that Eugene referred to I would give it to Baines.

None of players seem to be captain material and Baines has been our best player since he joined us, he is also local which I like.

Mike Oates
011 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:09:07
No brainer at all - IT WILL BE Phil Jagielka
Iain Love
012 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:25:00
Agree or not, I think it will be Howard.
Paul Landon
015 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:38:44
Phil Jagielka, a hoofing non-footballer whose body language last season when he didn't get his Arsenal move was there for all to see; who sulked big time because the better footballer who makes Everton play more football from the back and was Player of the Season last time was ahead of him.

Moyes's pet player, I am afraid, so you're probably right but the next captain of Everton in my opinion is currently not at the club.

Alan Brown
018 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:22:36
In my opinion it should be Jags. Although it wasn't too long ago when a lot of posters were calling for him to be dropped and quite a few we're even calling for him to be sold. Nothing wrong in that I suppose, we are all entitled to our opinion. Mine is that he is a top bloke.

I live in Sheffield and the Sheff U fans still love him. They understood why he had to leave. If they had stayed in the premier league he would have stayed. They needed the cash and he stuck with them long after he could have moved on for big bucks. He's level headed, not a money grabbing no mark. He seems to love Everton and will stay as long as he's wanted.

Gaute Lie
019 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:54:11
Our best candidate would be Heitinga, if he's staying with us. I do however believe he'll leave within a year, so if that is to be I would say Jagielka.

I've seen Heitinga as a leader since he came to us. I'm not sure if he is truly commited to Everton, though.

Third choice Fellaini.

Distin would been there if not for his age.

Gaute Lie
020 Posted 18/10/2012 at 21:54:11
Our best candidate would be Heitinga, if he's staying with us. I do however believe he'll leave within a year, so if that is to be I would say Jagielka.

I've seen Heitinga as a leader since he came to us. I'm not sure if he is truly commited to Everton, though.

Third choice Fellaini.

Distin would been there if not for his age.

Noel Early
025 Posted 18/10/2012 at 22:38:24
Jags will be captain — I've no doubt in this, but I'd love Baines or Fellaini to get it as an incentive to stay at the club.
Dave Southon
030 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:12:12
Tony Hibbert. Legend.
Timothy Liu
031 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:14:56
Baines and Pienaar are the "quiet" leaders on the pitch but I think that we also need to have a more direct, extraverted leader such as Neville who is masterful at pointing. So for me capt should be a defensive player like Jags or in future even Gibbo, and vice captain baines. Someone who is a bit fiery like Heitinga also has leadership capabilities.
Roger Sunde
033 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:43:41
Jags... no doubt.
Mike Gaynes
034 Posted 19/10/2012 at 00:48:10
Jagielka is the best candidate, far and away. Baines is the best player, but he's a quiet guy, not an inspirational leader.

As for Heitinga and Fellaini, you must be joking.

Jason Lam
035 Posted 19/10/2012 at 02:31:42
It has to be Jags. Baines is not Captain material. Heitinga pulls out of challenges. Osman is Osman. Gibson is injury prone. Having said all that, Neville is still our best Captain, not sure about the football anymore though.
Julian Wait
037 Posted 19/10/2012 at 04:26:15
Jags for sure. There is no competition at this moment to be honest.
Brian Hill
038 Posted 19/10/2012 at 05:36:01
Timothy Liu, Phil Neville is "masterful at pointing". Superb.
Ian Bennett
043 Posted 19/10/2012 at 07:51:34
I bet jimmy goes for drenthe.

John Crook
059 Posted 19/10/2012 at 09:20:54
Why have one Captain?? There should be several captain's all over the field. Neville as the 'club captain' (who probably will be dropped to the bench when injuries have cleared up) and then the starting captain should be Heitinga (but is seriously off form).

My 2nd choice would actually be Tim Howard. I just think the idea of a captain should be a non-stop talker (Neville, Heitinga and Howard are). I've never seen Jagielka barking orders or pointing the finger
Lee Courtliff
068 Posted 19/10/2012 at 09:34:53
Eugene - Apparantly the 'cock' at Finch Farm is Sylvain Distin.

According to an interview with P Nev,which I saw on the build up to the semi-final last season, "nobody messes with Distin. Nobody".

I'd still fancy Dunc to sort him out though.

Peter Hall
069 Posted 19/10/2012 at 09:36:38
I put a post two - no three - years ago on this point and nothing has changed. It's not a question of deserving it but of having a captain who thinks 'team' and gets the last ounce out of them. Best player irrelevant (imagine George Best as captain!) though automatic choice is important.

Jags is obvious and would be a top captain now, at 30, and would have been for several years. But Pip has been great in this respect, and has also managed to save a few yellow cards bty good ref talk. Bainesy, no no no., he inspires by quality of play not position.

Lee Preston
087 Posted 19/10/2012 at 12:21:05
Pretty easy one this, Phil Jagielka is currently the Vice Captain and Moyes has spoken about him being a future Everton captain.

No arguments from me there.

Eric Myles
128 Posted 19/10/2012 at 15:04:42
Hibbert if Weir doesn't make a comeback.
Ken Crowther
132 Posted 19/10/2012 at 15:43:34
Why wouldn't Peanuts do a good job?

He all but runs the team anyway!

Drew O'Neall
138 Posted 19/10/2012 at 15:48:43
I get the impression HEITINGA is a coward and has a slight bullyish tendency. I also suspect him to be lazy. I admire his football ability but I think he plays up to his hard man image in the Champions League era, rather than having genuinely earned it as those in the past have.

There aren't too many captains in the side, DISTIN is the most likeable, most intelligent, bravest and probably most deserving but there is his age and I sometimes question his determination (but recently I've seen this improve). I think Distin is the sort of modest leader that certain players really (should) look up to.

Jagielka is brave and genuine but without the charisma required of a leader IMO and Baines is just too quiet and thoughtful although a genuine bloke.

Who does that leave? Pienaar has a touch of the mongrel, came up through the mean streets and is a tireless worker as well as being the architect of some of our best football but is arguably too quiet.

I don't like giving the armband to the GK because he can't get amongst it and lead by example, also I don't want my keeper distracted by anything other than keeping the ball out of the onion bag.

Hibbert, great attitude but probably not good enough technically to have his opinion respected by young scallys.

Osman, good technical player, Evertonian, seen it all, puts a shift in, knows what it means to the fans, probably deserves a swan song.. hmm possibility.

Jon Ferguson
139 Posted 19/10/2012 at 16:01:48
I agree with Eugene, what we really need is a Veira, Gattuso or Keane to be captain. They are all centre mids but a captain could also be a centre back, no other position for me. Strikers and wingers need to be concentrating on their game not telling others what they should be doing.The captain needs to be either directing play from midfield or organising the team from the back.

Unfortunately, we don't have anyone quite like this. Fellaini has a bit of a dirty streak when he wants and is definitely a focal point, but I don't think he is vocal enough and I'm not sure when you are up against the wall, whether he is the sort to bellow out commands that he demands you follow. I think Jags is a good player (when he's not hoofing it) but he's not vocal enough either. Eugene's correct in saying there aren't many of those players left (although I'm personally glad we didn't sign Nolan, I hate Alladyse brand football).

In summary we haven't got an old school captain amongst our talented squad. The only thing I would ask is that it is a centre back or a centre mid who is made captain.

Mike Gaynes
144 Posted 19/10/2012 at 16:15:38
Jon... Jags isn't vocal enough? Watch the guy next game. He's nonstop... positioning people, encouraging, calling out coverages. He just doesn't point as much as Pip.
Eddie Tully
163 Posted 19/10/2012 at 16:55:24
Some very interesting replies Gents. In hindsight I suppose Baines is not the obvious choice, due to his playing position and introverted nature.

Also, Eugene you have brought up another question. How much does it actually matter? Although you certainly eulogised aplenty considering you don't care. Not having a go by the way, I wouldn't dare, I've seen what you can do with only words (shudders)!

I supppose that leaves the following serious contenders: Jags, Johnny, Sylan, Gibbo, Ossie..... oh and Royston!

ToffeeWeb poll anyone?

Keith Glazzard
199 Posted 19/10/2012 at 21:26:33
Leighton Baines has created more goalscoring chances (30) than anyone else playing in England, France, Germany, Italy or Spain this term - Guardian today.

FFS, leave him alone! He's happy doing what he does. Same goes for Pienaar.

One v good thing about Pip, is that if a ref calls one of our players over, our on-field solicitor is by his side, advising, deflecting the ref's attention, delaying perhaps. Time to cool down, to think

Hibbo, legend yes, cap'n, no. Fellaini? Love the guy, would have made it to about 17 on my list. Ossie wouldn't be a bad choice. Howard perhaps as a person, but keepers have to stay pretty much where they are. No.

New boys, and that includes Nikica, obiviously not - but Jela as captain? Now there's an idea! Big Vic? Oh dear, but he is beginning to look a bit like the fabled 'new signing' at last.

So Jags or Johnny? I would love it to be Heitinga - a hard man who reads the game. But like many, I fear he is becoming considerably less happy. Jags then. Nobody could doubt his commitment to the cause. And it could improve him as a player, these things have happened. But a well-brought up lad from Sale? He would be a brill ambassador for the club, but who do you want in there when the bullets are flying? Phil Neville.

So

David Nicholls
217 Posted 20/10/2012 at 00:24:35
Baines already leads by example. Im not sure he would enjoy the role of captain as he seems very much the unassuming, quiet type, but im just hypothesising there!

Traditional captain's seem to be defensive players, or at least players who can appreciate most what is happening across the pitch, so I'm not sold on someone like Jelavic. I also don't think goalkeepers can most effectively provide the authority needed.

For me its Jags!

Keith Glazzard
276 Posted 20/10/2012 at 11:30:56
I'm not seriously suggesting this, but there is just something about Jelavic for captain that, deep down, appeals to me. And I'm still trying to figure out what it is.

A winner's attitude and belief must be part of it. And he is a very good team player as well as a lone wolf individual – quite a combination.

Whoever would make a good captain should have a lot of Jelavic's quality about them.

Christopher Kelly
299 Posted 20/10/2012 at 15:37:02
I fear Neville will be playing well into his 50s but in all reality Jags makes the most sense. The problem is he sometimes goes missing and needs to be dropped for his own good, just like our current captain. The more things change, the more they stay the same. :)

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