What the fuck are you worried/annoyed about what the BBC think, say or do for?

Coming from an organisation that were shit-scared of outing Jimmy Saville shows they are a bunch of tossers. It's what happens on the pitch that matters.

Why is the level of importance you give the media far and away above the quality it produces?

Mark, let's hope we do our talking on the pitch on Sunday. I can understand the frustration though, with 2 more sleeps to go.

BBC bias against Everton to Jimmy Saville in 'a oner'.

Love TW.

Dave, I can understand peoples frustration and annoyance with the BBC. It is particularly galling to see the BBC, a supposedly impartial commentator on all matters, including sport, consistently ignore or refer to Everton in the most negative of tones. Are we not worthy of positive reporting? Can the BBC not find anyone who can fight our corner?

If you've never listened to that odious twat Alan Green reporting on an Everton match, especially a derby, then I urge you to tune in to Five bloody Live, or whatever programme the cretin happens to be on just now, and try to say that there is little to get annoyed about. Me? I was apoplectic.....

[A sudden, usually marked loss of bodily function due to rupture or occlusion of a blood vessel.]

Ahhh..not this crap again.

This particular hyper-senstivity is becoming an embarrassment.

Whilst I normally enjoy most of the BBC sports offerings - the 6 Nations coverage is excellent - I have to admit to being rather tired of their apparent bias towards Liverpool. I would totally agree with Ray about Alan Green - but mind you he is just plain annoying whoever he is reporting on - after all he speaks with such arrogance about a sport that to my knowledge he hasn't played professionally.

Hopefully we will do our talking on the pitch.

I see on the BBC website that they're highlighting Brendan Rogers' "plight" at poor refereeing decisions affecting his results this season. Very convenient ahead of the derby, the cheeky get.

It's wrong to stereotype but It wouldn't surprise me if the paedo-protecting Beeb position Rogers' "plight" ahead of starving African children and destruction to the rain forest soon.

They must have a gobshite template for recruitment at that club.
It's a perfect match every time.
Whining bastards.

Come on lads. Let's stuff them on Sunday. Two or three nil and a Naismith Special on Suarez in injury time.
You owe us after last season.
Give them something to whine about.

Rant over.
For now.

The other Mike beat me to it, but OMG WTF and all that.

Check this and have your head exploded:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20102766

I don't know where to start...

Thanks for that Mike.

Didn't take long to become 'one of them' did he.

Mike, just discussing that article with a Chelsea fan......lots of swearwords were forthcoming

Journos are lazy twats, you only have to listen to the Sky prog on a sunday, witless buffoons re-iterating cliches and stereotypes about clubs and players ad infinitum.

Questioning the established order of Liverpool, Utd and the FA denies them access and affects their jobs and their equally overblown salaries.

Fuck 'em.

Where would one complain about a manager making comments about the ref before a match? Isn't this banned?

A great many of the programmes made by the BBC are outsourced and therefore they probably have an agenda, rather than the BBC as an organisation.

BBC News Business segments now go to people for comments on the economy or whatever are by pure coincidence the same bank that sponsors our loveable neighbours.

It is very annoying to me personally and most people who are not of the red persuasion that many of the News 24 main news reporters are self-confessed lovers of LFC. Even when viewing a children's programme with my nephew in March, the Scottish presenter, with some puppet in tow, said he was really hoping that the RS would win away to Blackburn as he was an avid Red supporter.

With so many supporters of so many other clubs I have yet to hear someone confess to supporting any of those other clubs

I think the more likely explanation for bias is that those people that do support them, never miss an opportunity to promote their club or complain in large numbers to Offwatch or whoever about the plight – good or bad – of their club.

As I and no-one I know has ever been asked about my viewing preferences I assume that those who voice their opinion or partake in phone-in's are seen as the target audience and as such programme makers will pander to their preferences and prejudices. I could of course be wrong, but that would make more sense to me than believing that 50-75% of the British public support the dark side.

Whatever the reason, you do have to question why we are forced to pay good money to an organisation that is far from impartial and worse still has sucked up to our neighbours for nigh on 40 years.

I didn't realise that Brendan Rodgers had been professionally involved in a Merseyside derby, but obviously he must have been – albeit in a parallel universe – where the Blues have triumphed regularly, due to dubious calls from the match officials. How else could you explain this quote on the BBC website:

"But it is also important to stay calm. I think the referee has a big part to play in that. The history of it shows there has been a lot of red cards but I hope that this weekend we might start to get a decision that goes our way for once."

I would like to see Everton get ONE decision given in our favour... I have waited over 40 years, so I won't hold my breath. Maybe all the negative vibes by Blues fans can be encapsulated by this breathtaking claim by a Reds manager who hasn't even got his shoes fully under the table before proclaiming that the match officials are spoiling his plans and it is so unfair that a team like Everton are above his in the table; obviously something must be fundamentally wrong with the match officials.

I wonder how you can get to that alternative reality, as it seems that the Evertonians there are having a far better time on derby day than us in the real world have endured.

This was at 7:55 am this morning, I heard it and I shouted at the Radio too, twats! Hamann was the only one that was nice about us, other than that, it was the usual crap of "all families go and sit together at the game, then go the pub together — this hasn’t happened for years and it winds me up.

We don’t sit together and for the 90 mins I hate them more than anything that lives or doesn’t. Thereafter, I tolerate them, but only by biting my lip. Other than sharing a city, we have nothing in common with the club or what is stands for. The quicker they piss off to Scandinavia, Ireland or Cornwall, the better.

Time was when the ref would have been Mr Marriner rather than Andre!

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Moyes seems to have hit back by his comments on Sky – strong referee; people throwing themselves to the ground when they haven't been touched. These comments are not dissimilar to something I and others said on TW earlier this week.

I am beginning to wonder whether some of the senior people in the club aren't avid readers of ToffeeWeb... Does anyone know for a fact if this is actually the case?

The BBC are a joke. Match of the Day is unwatchable these days with those two twats Hansen and Lawrenson. Add to that Lineker's refusal to acknowledge he ever played for us. Thank fuck Sky exists so I don't have to listen to that bunch of muppets anymore.

Tony 422, I've long suspected someone at the club peruses the forums and TW being by far the most serious debating arena must figure highly.

I've lost track of the times Moyes has said something which seems a direct result of comments I've read here.

Anyone catch the horrendous Football Focus last Saturday which had a big ol' Liverpool love-in live from Anfield? All to mark the occasion of playing Reading at home.

Suarez last night, DIVE, STRONG REFEREE?

Talk about bitter Blues. Who cares what the BBC say? Walter Smith and subsequently David Moyes have been praised to high heaven by the BBC. For fuck's sake, let's stop looking for every imagined slight.

If David Moyes puts out a side on Sunday that, from the very first second, sets out with the intent to destroy that odious team, then the BBC will report it like it is.

Those fuckers have not won 2 league games on the bounce since Dec. 2011.

Let's steamroll these cheating " we deserve to win the league " bastards.

They have got David Brent for a manager FFS !

We will win 2-0. Believe.

Andy, if the ref gives Suarez a pen every time he is touched in the box or sends off one of our players for nothing or disallows a shed load of legitimate goals for no reason, then there is every excuse to go on at the BBC. Rodgers, like every single other Liverpool manager has done, is pressuring the referee before the derby match.

I remember reading some expose on how the top clubs treat referees at their home games, United used to give them a club watch and get their kids free shirts, some other clubs like to take them on tour with them. Unfortunately, the referee has a greater say than anyone in these games....

If it's Everton v Swansea, then football is allowed to commence and we duly win. If it's Everton v Liverpool, then the ref will undoubtedly intervene in some form or other.

People can blame Moyes all they want for his derby record (which is bad) but some games have just been beyond anyone's control: the Clattenburg derby, the Atkinson derby, the game at Goodison when Mascherano got a deflection with the one shot they had all game and Reina made save after save in one of the most one-sided Goodison derbies in recent history.

You only have to look through any derby compilation to see the number of horrendous tackles from that lot that have gone unpunished. Unfortunately the ref is king in these games and any influence that can be exerted on him should be, Liverpool are masters at any form of the dark arts and the BBC have long been their weapon for this.

Their piece the other week on MotD on why Suarez deserved a pen when they blatantly ignored the images in front of their eyes to make his claim was embarrassing. To contrast that immediately with the one dive Jelavic has probably made all season was just enraging.

Is anyone else noticing the irony of calling Rodgers a moaning bastard when half of the TW audience's opinion ranges from us being hard done by this season to an anti-blue agenda by the Premier League.

I couldn't give too shites about what Rodgers says. Maybe they have been hard done by, Moyes moaned after the QPR so I guess he's a moaning bastard too.

I hope no non-blues are on reading this.

Are we getting our excuses in early or what?

We know Match of the Day has long been complacent. Personally I think Lawrensen and Hansen give Everton a lot of credit, but even if they don't... big deal. The producer decides what game to show and they're dictated to by what teams 'draw the biggest audience', which, by popular perception, doesn't include us.

But so what? Rodgers is doing exactly what Moyes has done this week, angling as much as he can to get a bias in his favour from the ref. If we can see it you can be damn sure the ref can too (except Clattenberg).

If your team wins you forget the ref. If we lose then we naturally look for reasons - or scapegoats - our own players shortcomings, other players cheating, or the ref being shit/biased. Not always the case (except Clattenberg).

If we win on Sunday I don't care if they project the footage on Hansen's arse as the credits toll at five past midnight. And if we lose, unless there is a real glaring bias, I hope I won't blame the BBC, Brendan Rodgers pre-match talk, Tony Hibbert not really being a right-back, or the fact that referees are "biased" or "easily influenced by men in red shirts" etc etc

(except Clattenberg)

I heard it this morning and couldn't beleive what I was hearing. Just watched BBC 6 o'clock news and in the sports preview its all about them. To quote Morrissey: 'PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME GET WHAT I WANT – THIS TIME'
FUCKING COYB.

I think some posters are missing the point, most Evertonians accept defeats gracefully even when there has been a mistake by the officials.

There have been games where we haven't deserved to take something, regardless of referees decisions against us, but there have been many games where we have been treated harshly, even when playing better than our opponents.

But as I stated earlier, I honestly cannot recall a Merseyside Derby which has been won by Everton on the back of a mistake by the officials. However, I can remember a great many that we haven't won due to errors made by the officials.

If people think that we have just been plain unlucky with decisions, then fair enough, but I would argue that the odds of one team always being on the wrong end of those errors in their local derby is tantamount to picking the winning lottery numbers 3 weeks on the trot.

Put it this way if a referee gives us something we don't deserve, you can bet that he won't be allowed to forget it, as the media especially Auntie Beeb will ensure that it is highlighted over and over again.

I hope he gives them every decision and we still come out on top, that would be really sweet.

And so it starts... a full 36 hours before the derby match kicks off and Brendan is out casting doubts on referees and saying that poor old Liverpool haven't had the rub of the green this season.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but EFC have been denied 4 solid points (from 3 goals) by piss poor refereeing decisions this season, but is there any article anywhere this week showing Davey Moyes crying over lost points, and just wishing for a bit of luck?

This sort of shit non-story just plays into the mind-games managers, with journos so lazy they're happy to print any old crap coming from a footballer's or football manager's mouth.

I'd put money on a decision going the way of Liverpool on Sunday just to make up for it.

To be honest, it makes me glad that Moyes doesn't do it — one of the few...

I don't just want to see us beat them. I've seen that a few times. I've actually been there when we've beat them. I want us to DESTROY them!! That I have never seen.

Lee.
The AJ derby, that was a destruction.

Lee #446

You are almost right on the money. But to be absolutely correct: we need to hurt, humiliate and then destroy them (all in the football sense of course).

For a destruction, only 6-0 will do. Stop the bellends singing that fuckin' song.

RS — you get exactly what it says on the tin. (When was it ever any different?)

No need to invoke the Trades Description Act.

Why are you all STILL surprised?

I'm with Andy Crooks on this. Rodgers is only doing what is expected of him, and what we should expect of him. Moyes has already slagged off Suarez in advance of Sunday, though I doubt Marriner needed reminding what he's all about.

On Sunday we start with 11 v 11. Moyes picks that team, sets the tactics.

Let's see what determines the result in the end.

Eugene - there is a connection. The RS have always 'groomed' the media, BBC included. What Jimmy Savile was doing might be in the same league?

ps: To add, there is no way the seriousness of the consequences for the victims is 'in the same league'; it's the intention to exploit I was referring to.

Maybe I've been watching different derby games for the last ten years, but — other than two games where we got poor decisions and the game with the deflected Mascherano goal when we were the better side — we have been the poorer side in most of these matches and have got what we deserved.

It's a bit strange really that in a period we have had a competitive team we have not been able, other than on three occasions, to raise our game — especially considering the good record we had in the 90s when quite frankly we were shit.

We can moan all we like about refs, bad luck, BBC bias or el fucking niño for that matter but let's be honest with ourselves: we have not been good enough in these matches and that's I hope what Davey is telling the players tomorrow — they owe us a performance.

Sorry, Dave, but I don't think 3-0 counts as 'destruction'.

I was thinking more along the lines of 5/6 nil.

That's what I want to see before I die.

In the Echo, Barmby is telling David Prentice that Everton are favourites going into the derby bigs us up the entire article. Does he have bipolar disorder?

Watched the Moyes profile on Football Focus this lunch time. They went back to the studio and accused his desire for Suarez to stay on his feet and manipulating the ref and not a word on Rodgers' strong ref comments. Grrrr... anyway, only so much concern you can have when Robbie Savage opens his mouth.

Graham, we may have been shit, at times (many) during the 90's, but we had spirit and fight during certain periods. Generally, we twatted the Shite, when we possesed those qualities.

Very rarely, IMO, is a derby about the football played.

This will now come down to the team he picks: if Fellaini is fit, he should play further forward. Recently when dropped back he has looked woeful, so play to our strengths.

Mirallas on the right and Coleman on bench please...