Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
Apostolos Vellios
We need a change. Since Sunderland, our performances have been average at best. We need a striker and a midfielder but we are skint.
Vellios should be given a chance. He's shown potential to score goals and midfielders and fans need to see different tactics, different patterns of play and runs and goals.
I don't trust Moyes – constant picking of Naismith over Oviedo, Neville in midfield, no Duffy in cup ties against crap average opposition, playing Mirallas when freezing and he's had lots of hamstring surgeries - it ain't rocket science.
Please play Vellios — he looks great!
Peter Warren, Posted 26/01/2013 at 23:12:36
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997 Posted 27/01/2013 at 04:03:52
002 Posted 27/01/2013 at 05:37:41
003 Posted 27/01/2013 at 06:27:13
004 Posted 27/01/2013 at 07:36:29
005 Posted 27/01/2013 at 07:41:07
Jelavic needs a break, but the player who has looked the best up top -- and deserves the chance most -- is Vic.
And I too would like to see Oviedo get more time.
006 Posted 27/01/2013 at 07:54:12
As for putting in players for cup ties vs weaker teams, I guess you have forgotten about our League Cup exit pretty quickly!!!
017 Posted 27/01/2013 at 09:14:57
023 Posted 27/01/2013 at 09:33:41
We're only 3 points off fourth but clear to see we need change and I believe Vellios would give everybody a lift and take heat off Jelavic. I would play Vellios with Jelavic, control midfield with Fellani and Osman, Piennar and Oviedo on wings. I think this would change our tactics and play considerably. I don't know if it would work but just wishing that status quo will improve us is foolish.
033 Posted 27/01/2013 at 09:44:46
The big mystery for me though is Oviedo. Every time he's played he's looked not only good enough, but also genuinely high class (as compared to Naismith who works hard and was worth a punt but ultimately isn't of a high enough quality to live in the Premier League). With Mirallas and Coleman out, his absence seems even more glaring.
071 Posted 27/01/2013 at 11:45:58
079 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:04:33
Care to name other PL strikers bought for a few hundred grand doing a job?
083 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:11:46
088 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:18:42
090 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:19:27
094 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:21:15
108 Posted 27/01/2013 at 13:52:34
I haven't been impressed with Vellios that much to be honest. Worth giving him 10/15 mins but no one would I start him. Gueye is a complete disaster on the other hand. Awful player.
141 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:13:55
143 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:20:28
145 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:24:20
I'll go with them thank you very much. It's the same with Howard (who admittedly has had two good games on the trot), until we get effective cover we probably, injuries aside, stick with the best we have.
That up front is Jelly at the moment.
(1) I admire his work rate,
(2) feel that he is trying too hard to sort things out which can lead to mistakes
(3) Wonder at times what Moyes says to him about where and how to play
(4) Believe that when all is said and one including this barren run Jelly is a class act and one of the best finishers I have seen in my four decades of bluenoseship
(5) Am not at all convinced by Vellios from what I have seen - ah, great effort by Jose there, I'm watching the shite at the Latics 1 - 1
(6) Believe that if Moyes felt that Vellios could setup into Jelly's boots it would have happened by now
Velly or Jelly sir? I'll have Jelly please.
149 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:45:17
156 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:51:38
I saw it in a Ovideo tribute video, before he even played a game for us, and when he came on the other week, same thing.
Does anyone know if Vadis has been playing for Brugges this season? Maybe he's back in favour and that's why we don't have him. We certainly need some central midfield reinforcements.
157 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:48:11
Chris James makes a good point about Jelavic coming on and playing against tired defence, but what he could add is that Jelavic is usually absolutely knackered by the middle of the second half, so it would be a very good move, in my opinion, to bring him on fresh against the tired defenders.
I know it is a bit rich to compare us to teams like Manchester United, but how often have you seen SAF leave his best strikers on the bench against lower teams, having them up his sleeve for when they need a goal. In games against the likes of Southampton or Reading et al, we could start with Victor and Vellios, and if we need a goal you've got Jelavic to come on.
159 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:42:15
By the way, last season Vellios played as a striker in a crappy team overall, and he still got goals for us. That is more then enough proof that. if given a chance. Vellios will deliver. Also, besides Anichebe, we really have no other strikers to choose from.
I would not hesitate in starting with Vellios, though I think Vellios plays better when he has a partner along side him. I really feel it is unfair that Vellios is shut out when Jelavic is in such a poor form.
Moyes desperately needs to try something new to try to turn things around, and that means Oveido needs to be given a chance also.
My team would look like this:
Howard
Neville, Jagielka, Distin, Baines
Pienaar, Fellaini, Osman, Oveido
Vellios, Anichebe.
To me, this is the best side we can pick right now with all the injuries, and we need to stick with this team until others such as Mirallas, GIbson and Jelavic are back looking fit and ready.
Jelavic right now needs a break, I would even give him a week off in the hopes he would be back fresher then now. Though the smartest thing would be to have him on the bench, so that he can get his motivation back.
Moyes simply has to change things and use the squad he has in the best way possible which he currently does not.
161 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:01:59
163 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:04:57
Defoe, Owen and Hernandez are prolific scorers and all are small... nuff said!
185 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:29:37
Maybe Moyes got that one right.
200 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:43:19
Vellios has some good traits, he can hold the ball up and link the play, he's got good vision and awareness of what's going on around him but he needs regular games at a good level to bring him on.
Same goes for Gueye; whenever he plays or gets brought on, he looks very unfit and slow, and that's why he needs to get out and have a run of games to get fit. And he needs to be played either upfront or as a second striker as he ain't no winger, that's for sure!
In the reserves, he looks good, has got a good touch, can pick a pass and be creative and can get a goal; he seems to get played centrally for the reserves and seems to prefer to play there, so, if he went out on loan and played off of the striker, it might just suit him better.
And we've seen already how improved Duffy looked when he came into the team last season after his spell at Scunny. He could do with being loaned out to a better level, the Championship, to bring his game on even more cos I really do think he'll make out a good career at us!
217 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:52:47
224 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:58:10
318 Posted 27/01/2013 at 19:06:29
321 Posted 27/01/2013 at 19:10:52
Everytime I've seen Vellios he looks good in the air and as a partner up front as a target man and he creates and causes problems. I can't judge him totally cos I've not seen much of him but I think he shows potential and we might just have a good player but we will never know unless he is given a chance
357 Posted 27/01/2013 at 20:16:47
361 Posted 27/01/2013 at 20:20:47
393 Posted 27/01/2013 at 21:53:51
398 Posted 27/01/2013 at 22:24:58
Messi has the right type of body for the type of player he is. His lack of height is imperative to his speed and control on the ball.
429 Posted 28/01/2013 at 03:57:20
If we're going to have to sell before we buy, I guess it's not going to be him... just saying since many here have identified Jonny as the most saleable asset preferred to be offloaded.
So, loans it is then... probably the cheapest option. What do we have? 2 Million someone on here said?
436 Posted 28/01/2013 at 04:41:13
In the 60s, our first team could not hit a barn door with a banjo while in our Central League side there was a nuggety little Cornish bloke banging them in for fun.
My mates drooled over him so I thought to have a peek myself. I forget who the opposition was but this little bloke with his back to goal controlled a high ball on the edge of the box took two touches and on the turn he lashed the ball into the net.
The next time I saw him was in the FA Cup final at Wembley where he came into the side as a surprise pick. His name was Mike Trebilcock and he scored two of our three goals against the Owls.
440 Posted 28/01/2013 at 05:48:27
345 Posted 30/01/2013 at 00:23:26
350 Posted 30/01/2013 at 00:59:19
"I wouldn't disagree with anything that you said but we don't get to see the players day-in, day-out. Maybe Vellios looks less than great in training, Oviedo too."
By this logic, Neville spends every training session hitting 50-yard, inch-perfect passes, perfectly linking the play, never giving possession away and making fantastic tackles that don't give away stupid fouls.
357 Posted 30/01/2013 at 03:07:07
596 Posted 01/02/2013 at 10:55:43
218 Posted 02/02/2013 at 19:27:04
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994 Posted 27/01/2013 at 03:16:57