Apostolos Vellios

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We need a change. Since Sunderland, our performances have been average at best. We need a striker and a midfielder but we are skint.

Vellios should be given a chance. He's shown potential to score goals and midfielders and fans need to see different tactics, different patterns of play and runs and goals.

I don't trust Moyes – constant picking of Naismith over Oviedo, Neville in midfield, no Duffy in cup ties against crap average opposition, playing Mirallas when freezing and he's had lots of hamstring surgeries - it ain't rocket science.

Please play Vellios — he looks great!

Peter Warren, Liverpool     Posted 26/01/2013 at 23:12:36

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Peter Thistle
994 Posted 27/01/2013 at 03:16:57
I wouldn't disagree with anything that you said but we don't get to see the players day in day out. Maybe Vellios looks less than great in training, oviedo too. I'd like to see them given a chance but it seems unlikely.
Phil Walling
997 Posted 27/01/2013 at 04:03:52
Just another promising striker who fails to make his mark under Moyes magnificent development of forward players. Will be just a note in history ere long.
Dick Fearon
002 Posted 27/01/2013 at 05:37:41
I would like to see Vellios put some bite into his work, the same goes for Gueye. Both give the impression of being too gentle for Premier League.
Peter Barry
003 Posted 27/01/2013 at 06:27:13
Everton will never win a trophy under Moyes and his coaching staff. Not even if he stays another 10 years.
Ian Bennett
004 Posted 27/01/2013 at 07:36:29
Who would then Peter?
Mike Gaynes
005 Posted 27/01/2013 at 07:41:07
I haven't seen anything from Vellios that would indicate he deserves a start.

Jelavic needs a break, but the player who has looked the best up top -- and deserves the chance most -- is Vic.

And I too would like to see Oviedo get more time.

Sam Hoare
006 Posted 27/01/2013 at 07:54:12
I have seen Vellios start a few games for the reserves and not been convinced. Average first touch and movement. He's not even scored that much for them this season.

As for putting in players for cup ties vs weaker teams, I guess you have forgotten about our League Cup exit pretty quickly!!!

Al Reddish
017 Posted 27/01/2013 at 09:14:57
As Sam has said, if he was banging them in for the reserves then give him a go, but he isn't so why would he score shit loads in one of the hardest Leagues in the world? However Conor McAleny has recently returned from injury in goalscoring form.
Peter Warren
023 Posted 27/01/2013 at 09:33:41
Al - would agree if Jelavic was scoring loads of goals but he isn't. How long do you want to continue with him as a loan striker? I think Vellios causes problems for the opposition but Moyes seems hell bent on keeping with Fellaini and Jelavic which isn't working.

We're only 3 points off fourth but clear to see we need change and I believe Vellios would give everybody a lift and take heat off Jelavic. I would play Vellios with Jelavic, control midfield with Fellani and Osman, Piennar and Oviedo on wings. I think this would change our tactics and play considerably. I don't know if it would work but just wishing that status quo will improve us is foolish.

Chris James
033 Posted 27/01/2013 at 09:44:46
I do agree that Vellios needs to be given a decent chance. He has looked dangerous and willing whenever he's come on and offers a target up front. I actually wonder if Jelavic would be able to have more impact coming on as a sub when defenders are more tired for a few games.

The big mystery for me though is Oviedo. Every time he's played he's looked not only good enough, but also genuinely high class (as compared to Naismith who works hard and was worth a punt but ultimately isn't of a high enough quality to live in the Premier League). With Mirallas and Coleman out, his absence seems even more glaring.

Andy Crooks
071 Posted 27/01/2013 at 11:45:58
I think it's possible that some players will never be at their best in the reserves or in training but will come alive in the first team. Certainly I think Vellios has done well in his brief appearances and deserves a start.
Nick Entwistle
079 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:04:33
Phil "Just another promising striker who fails to make his mark under Moyes magnificent development of forward players. Will be just a note in history ere long."

Care to name other PL strikers bought for a few hundred grand doing a job?

Derek Thomas
083 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:11:46
Nick #079 Marcus Bent
Nick Entwistle
088 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:18:42
Good shout Derek, though he was brought in to do a very specific job which Moyes gets slated for when other strikers have been asked to do it. Can't believe Beattie took his place.
Ian Allaker
090 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:19:27
And his best time was under Moyes, Derek
Steavey Buckley
094 Posted 27/01/2013 at 12:21:15
Vellios and Gueye seem to have gone backwards, football wise. They need to be loaned out to get a taste of real football action, week-in week-out, as the academy is not the place for challenging and competitive football. If any loan fails to establish them as first team players, then it is best both of them move on in their careers by leaving Everton and find other clubs who can appreciate what skills and talents they both have to offer.
James Stewart
108 Posted 27/01/2013 at 13:52:34
@33 agreed Oviedo has looked a class act. Plus he has pace which is the one thing we don''t have! Pace frightens the life out of people and its all too easy for defences to suss us out without it.

I haven't been impressed with Vellios that much to be honest. Worth giving him 10/15 mins but no one would I start him. Gueye is a complete disaster on the other hand. Awful player.

Mike Gaynes
141 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:13:55
Andy #071, Chris #033 and Peter #023, can you explain why you prefer Vellios to Anichebe, who is bigger, stronger, faster and scores more goals? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

Ian Bennett
143 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:20:28
Mike - I agree. I like some of what I've seen, but it's 10-20 mins as a sub rather than a start at the moment for me.
Paul Ferry
145 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:24:20
I know that we can't take the booing and general sense of unhappiness with the sub as a straw poll (though then again why not, that's our lifeblood, the away support?), but that all suggested that large portions of true blues did not want Jelly to go off (or perhaps it was the perceived general nature of the subbing?).

I'll go with them thank you very much. It's the same with Howard (who admittedly has had two good games on the trot), until we get effective cover we probably, injuries aside, stick with the best we have.

That up front is Jelly at the moment.

(1) I admire his work rate,

(2) feel that he is trying too hard to sort things out which can lead to mistakes

(3) Wonder at times what Moyes says to him about where and how to play

(4) Believe that when all is said and one including this barren run Jelly is a class act and one of the best finishers I have seen in my four decades of bluenoseship

(5) Am not at all convinced by Vellios from what I have seen - ah, great effort by Jose there, I'm watching the shite at the Latics 1 - 1

(6) Believe that if Moyes felt that Vellios could setup into Jelly's boots it would have happened by now

Velly or Jelly sir? I'll have Jelly please.

Jamie Tulacz
149 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:45:17
Blimey, Oviedo and Vellios are getting better and better each week they don't play... Both have shown promise, but no more, for me... nothing definitive to say that they're worth a regular starting spot.
Marc Sansum
156 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:51:38
Whilst Oviedo looks promising, he gets knocked off the ball (dithering and lightweight?) far too often.

I saw it in a Ovideo tribute video, before he even played a game for us, and when he came on the other week, same thing.

Does anyone know if Vadis has been playing for Brugges this season? Maybe he's back in favour and that's why we don't have him. We certainly need some central midfield reinforcements.

Roman Sidey
157 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:48:11
Vellios has the body to be a very good striker, and he's shown that he can use the ball a bit in the box. For those debating using him over Victor, I've always thought Victor was better off the bench, but why not put both on as a partnership and watch the opposition's halves have nightmares?

Chris James makes a good point about Jelavic coming on and playing against tired defence, but what he could add is that Jelavic is usually absolutely knackered by the middle of the second half, so it would be a very good move, in my opinion, to bring him on fresh against the tired defenders.

I know it is a bit rich to compare us to teams like Manchester United, but how often have you seen SAF leave his best strikers on the bench against lower teams, having them up his sleeve for when they need a goal. In games against the likes of Southampton or Reading et al, we could start with Victor and Vellios, and if we need a goal you've got Jelavic to come on.

Jimmy Sørheim
159 Posted 27/01/2013 at 16:42:15
Andy Crooks is right. After a while, playing for the reserves just isn't that great, it is only when you get the chance to play for the first team when you can really start judging.

By the way, last season Vellios played as a striker in a crappy team overall, and he still got goals for us. That is more then enough proof that. if given a chance. Vellios will deliver. Also, besides Anichebe, we really have no other strikers to choose from.

I would not hesitate in starting with Vellios, though I think Vellios plays better when he has a partner along side him. I really feel it is unfair that Vellios is shut out when Jelavic is in such a poor form.

Moyes desperately needs to try something new to try to turn things around, and that means Oveido needs to be given a chance also.

My team would look like this:

Howard
Neville, Jagielka, Distin, Baines
Pienaar, Fellaini, Osman, Oveido
Vellios, Anichebe.

To me, this is the best side we can pick right now with all the injuries, and we need to stick with this team until others such as Mirallas, GIbson and Jelavic are back looking fit and ready.

Jelavic right now needs a break, I would even give him a week off in the hopes he would be back fresher then now. Though the smartest thing would be to have him on the bench, so that he can get his motivation back.

Moyes simply has to change things and use the squad he has in the best way possible which he currently does not.

Ian Allaker
161 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:01:59
"Vellios has the body to be a very good striker," does Messi have the right sort of body as well Roman? unbelievable statement. I thought good strikers have been shown to come in all sorts of different shapes and sizes.
Trevor Lynes
163 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:04:57
Lets get Rambo in or Arnold Schwarzenegger — they both have great bodies.

Defoe, Owen and Hernandez are prolific scorers and all are small... nuff said!

Ray Roche
185 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:29:37
From what I have seen of Vellios he's pretty decent in the air and has shown a good(ish) touch on the ground, we could do worse than let him have more than the usual David Moyes 80th minute substitution. Subs need a bit of time to get up to speed when they're brought on and 10 minutes is not enough. Re the booing of Jelavic being subbed yesterday...does anyone think we'd...he'd... have scored the winner if he'd stayed on?
Maybe Moyes got that one right.
Aidy Dews
200 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:43:19
The likes of Vellios, Gueye & Duffy need to get out on loan for a decent period of time, like Barkley, as to gain confidence in their performance and the experience to develop their games but, cos of our lack of squad depth, it's holding us up from doing so!

Vellios has some good traits, he can hold the ball up and link the play, he's got good vision and awareness of what's going on around him but he needs regular games at a good level to bring him on.

Same goes for Gueye; whenever he plays or gets brought on, he looks very unfit and slow, and that's why he needs to get out and have a run of games to get fit. And he needs to be played either upfront or as a second striker as he ain't no winger, that's for sure!

In the reserves, he looks good, has got a good touch, can pick a pass and be creative and can get a goal; he seems to get played centrally for the reserves and seems to prefer to play there, so, if he went out on loan and played off of the striker, it might just suit him better.

And we've seen already how improved Duffy looked when he came into the team last season after his spell at Scunny. He could do with being loaned out to a better level, the Championship, to bring his game on even more cos I really do think he'll make out a good career at us!

Mick Wrende
217 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:52:47
Jelavic is a class striker destroyed by Moyes isolation tactics where he is having to chase after scraps. Velios might be useful but we will never know because Moyes wont give him a chance and even if he did he would be in the same boat as Jelavic and end up being destroyed. Please go now Moyes before you wreck anyone else.
Kev Johnson
224 Posted 27/01/2013 at 17:58:10
The problem with Velios is that he's... computer generated. At least he looks that way in the picture at the top of the ToffeeWeb page.
Al Reddish
318 Posted 27/01/2013 at 19:06:29
Is Jelavic really all that then? It is widely known Moyes had to be convinced by Weir to buy him as he didn't think he would cut it down here. It was also reported (BBC I think) that Everton would have considered any big bid for him in the summer as the backroom staff were not sure he could produce the goods again for another season. Also the so called big boys never went in for him and a couple of Croation managers have seen enough for him not to be a regular starter. Myself, I like him but maybe it is time to give Velios a go with Vic. (Cant believe how much we all rely on him now!!!)
Peter Warren
321 Posted 27/01/2013 at 19:10:52
Mike 141 - I've watched Victor play for 5 years and only time I've never seen him have a good game when he is started. His touch is poor he can't shoot doesn't win many headers and always getting involved in pushing shoving arguing moaning when he is not crying on the floor. He is in my humble opinion pants.

Everytime I've seen Vellios he looks good in the air and as a partner up front as a target man and he creates and causes problems. I can't judge him totally cos I've not seen much of him but I think he shows potential and we might just have a good player but we will never know unless he is given a chance

Patrick Murphy
357 Posted 27/01/2013 at 20:16:47
What Everton need is a player who can hold the ball up front, if we could afford him and if he was available I'd like to see Kevin Doyle at Goodison, he's not a great goalscorer but I'm sure he'd provide more chances for Jelavic than Victor or the hyped-up Vellios. Only problem is that he is 30 this year, so may not fit into Moyes' preferred age range.
Ian Bennett
361 Posted 27/01/2013 at 20:20:47
Pat - no, are real lazy signing if I can say that. He's willing, but he has no pace or skill. We need better than him and I appreciate we are skint.
Dick Fearon
393 Posted 27/01/2013 at 21:53:51
O' my goodness, final score Oldham 3 RS 2. Dosen't that bring a bit of sparkle into our humdrum lives.
Roman Sidey
398 Posted 27/01/2013 at 22:24:58
Ian, that was a very over the top way to react to a pretty mild statement I made. It is an Australian way to say he looks strong and fit, as well as being tall, which is a good thing for strikers.

Messi has the right type of body for the type of player he is. His lack of height is imperative to his speed and control on the ball.

Marcus Choo
429 Posted 28/01/2013 at 03:57:20
Btw, it looks like Moyes isn't going to be letting Heitinga go. According to him, "We're short of central defenders".

If we're going to have to sell before we buy, I guess it's not going to be him... just saying since many here have identified Jonny as the most saleable asset preferred to be offloaded.

So, loans it is then... probably the cheapest option. What do we have? 2 Million someone on here said?

Dick Fearon
436 Posted 28/01/2013 at 04:41:13
Banging them in for the reserves does is not always a sign that a player is ready for the first team but there are exceptions.

In the 60s, our first team could not hit a barn door with a banjo while in our Central League side there was a nuggety little Cornish bloke banging them in for fun.

My mates drooled over him so I thought to have a peek myself. I forget who the opposition was but this little bloke with his back to goal controlled a high ball on the edge of the box took two touches and on the turn he lashed the ball into the net.

The next time I saw him was in the FA Cup final at Wembley where he came into the side as a surprise pick. His name was Mike Trebilcock and he scored two of our three goals against the Owls.

Eric Myles
440 Posted 28/01/2013 at 05:48:27
The times Vellios started last season, he was knackered by half-time so I hope his fitness and stamina have improved if he's going to get a chance to start.
Andy Crooks
345 Posted 30/01/2013 at 00:23:26
Great post, Dick. Any chance that Duffy could be a, sort of, new, defensive Mike Trebilcock.
Eugene Ruane
350 Posted 30/01/2013 at 00:59:19
Peter Thistle (994) says..

"I wouldn't disagree with anything that you said but we don't get to see the players day-in, day-out. Maybe Vellios looks less than great in training, Oviedo too."

By this logic, Neville spends every training session hitting 50-yard, inch-perfect passes, perfectly linking the play, never giving possession away and making fantastic tackles that don't give away stupid fouls.

Mark Stewart
357 Posted 30/01/2013 at 03:07:07
Big Dunc is ahead of Vellios in the striker pecking order...
Nelly Verdonghan
596 Posted 01/02/2013 at 10:55:43
Velios isn't the answer to our prroblems believe me !!
Thomas Windsor
218 Posted 02/02/2013 at 19:27:04
Vellios maybe not the answer, Nelly, but given a choice on the bench I would put him on anytime ahead of Naismith.

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