Lewis Holtby — the one that got away?

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Lewis Holtby, at Shalke, was known to be:

  1. An outstanding midfielder.
  2. Wanting to play in the Premier League.
  3. An Everton supporter from an Evertonian family.
  4. Available for a bargain sum of £1.5million.
Why, Oh why then did Everton not try to bring this outstanding young player to Goodison – rather than letting him go to one of our main rivals for the Champions League – chasing instead far more expensive foreign players with dubious health issues?

Has David Moyes's renowned scouting system failed him this January? Or does he know something we are not aware of about young Holtby?

Christopher Clough, Watford     Posted 03/02/2013 at 18:22:17

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Pete Anthony
622 Posted 03/02/2013 at 21:17:24
Out-of-our-league wages wise would be my guess. Still, for a young quality player who would have likely given 100% effort consistently for Everton, worth a punt — especially given his sell-on value is likely to be much higher than he was bought for and a player of his reputation could have helped us attract other young top-notch players.
Kevin Tully
624 Posted 03/02/2013 at 21:22:02
Unfortunately, this Board cannot be trusted to come up with a coherent strategy for selling pies.

What makes you think they could put a deal like this together?

James Stewart
633 Posted 03/02/2013 at 21:48:13
Don't think he was out of our wage structure at all. He will be on less than Fellaini — that's for sure.
Ian Bennett
635 Posted 03/02/2013 at 22:03:41
It's a good post. The evidence suggests it was a crap decision by Everton, of putting a good asset on the books.
Shane Corcoran
636 Posted 03/02/2013 at 22:08:05
I don't think it's a good post at all. I guess he didn't like his hair. What does it matter? My guess is that Moyes doesn't give a shit if a player is blue to the core or not. He'll judge him on what he thinks he'll bring to the team. After that it's availability and feasibility. Somewhere along those lines Moyes didn't go for him just like he won't go for loads of players.
Stuart Mitchell
637 Posted 03/02/2013 at 22:12:06
According to Greg O'Keefe he it was down to wages and the fact he wanted to play for a London club.

Kevin Tully
642 Posted 03/02/2013 at 22:25:21
O'Keeffe is a club parrot, he reports anything the club wants him to.

Even Tony Barrett had something to say about the shambles we call a Board. O'Keeffe - he will report on how well the snow was cleared from around the ground.

Paul Ferry
643 Posted 03/02/2013 at 22:24:26
Why on earth do we have to listen to this same stuff week-in & week-out? What is the purpose and point of this post please?

(1) An outstanding midfielder – along with others who might or might not come on board with us.

(2) Wanting to play in the Premier League – he is now!

(3) An Everton supporter from an Evertonian family – Holtby, Holtby, Holtby, Blue dad, Blue dad, Blue dad. Er... Rush, Owen, Macca – need I go on?

Guess what, who you support is no indicator of where you might play your fottie: 'Once a Blue, Always a Blue' – right? A dose of daylight realism needed here, I think.

(4) Available for a bargain sum of £1.5million – so?

There is not a single scrap of evidence that Holtby wanted to play for us except for the oh so tiresome "He's got a blue pop" stuff which has been aired on here too many times now. We do not even know that Everton had him in their sights, wanted, him, courted him, made any move of any kind whatsoever.

Can this please be the last ever Holtby thread on this site? Can we bin him now?

Oh, and I'm one of the last not to criticize Moyes/players/board whenever appropriate. But I'm thinking, "Ah, this Clough fella is cashing in on the last day window mess. Let's have another poke at the club, why not? Well, there are many more reasons over the last month or so to aim arrows at our sad board than Lewis fucking Holtby who never had a single concrete link with us.

John Ford
644 Posted 03/02/2013 at 22:47:46
Salaries, Moyes didn't like him, the lad didn't want to join us, Spurs were a more attractive proposition, he fancied time in London, blah blah. You could apply the same question to every player signed in the past twelve months. Why bother?
Gerry Morrison
648 Posted 03/02/2013 at 23:10:52
Shane (636) if he was "blue to the core" he would have signed for us.
Si Cooper
649 Posted 03/02/2013 at 23:21:08
Even if we didn't ask him to Gerry?

Just turned up with his boots at Finch Farm one day and said "I've had enough of that place where I grew up! Just pay me what you want - if you want - and I'm all yours."

Just asking because there is no evidence that we even put a bid in for the lad.

Noel Early
650 Posted 03/02/2013 at 23:31:00
I'm sure he wasn't asking for Moyes's money??
Andrew James
651 Posted 03/02/2013 at 23:35:26
He is reported to be on £80k a wk at Spurs. If Everton bought a kid for that then can you imagine how it would go? All our senior players would want pay increases or, at least, their agents would try for them. We cannot afford for half the first team to be on £20k more a week.

Also, he might be an Everton fan from distance but he's been citing London as his preferred location. Remember the Arsenal quotes and, it just so happens, he winds up in North London.

Get over it!!!

Nick Armitage
653 Posted 03/02/2013 at 23:59:04
The Arsenal quotes and he ends up playing for Spurs?

Face it, if he turns out to be any good, then that is the reason we never had a chance of signing him.

Robin Cannon
654 Posted 04/02/2013 at 00:11:37
The same reason that we don't sign other highly rated Bosman transfers - salaries. How many players really care about which club they support when it comes to which club they sign for?
Andy Crooks
655 Posted 04/02/2013 at 00:24:03
Andrew, there is no way on earth he is on £80k a week at Spurs. I don't think it was about wages, more about London and the possibility of Champions league. Just not as much of a blue as we are.
Davie Turner
656 Posted 04/02/2013 at 00:54:21
While his Dad is a definite Evertonian, I have no idea where it is said Lewis is? I saw that he followed our results somewhere but nothing where he came out and said we were his club
Harold Matthews
665 Posted 04/02/2013 at 02:55:04
I've watched this boy many times and, in my opinion, he has gone to the wrong club.

At his best just behind the main striker, his movement and speed of thought are electrifying. Unfortunately, none of his new team-mates will be on the same wavelength. Bale might be a wonder player but he operates with tunnel vision which seldom includes others... and no,. I find it hard to believe he is on £80k a week. Not without proving his worth. Spurs are notoriously tight.

We didn't get him and that's that. Fer will probably come in when Fellaini goes. Same height, same build, same position. Like for like and good business. When no-one came in for Fellaini, we didn't need Fer.

Andrew / Nick (re Holtby) — I didn't know about the Arsenal quotes but I am not surprised. He is the perfect Arsenal type player. Someone somewhere has made a cock-up.

Paul Andrews
679 Posted 04/02/2013 at 07:13:03
Kevin Tully.
Greg O'Keefe is far from a "club parrot".
Shane Corcoran
682 Posted 04/02/2013 at 07:39:09
Gerry, it'd be great if the world you imagine really existed, seriously it would, but it doesn't.
Gavin Ramejkis
687 Posted 04/02/2013 at 08:04:00
Holtby is a very good player and a bad miss by Everton but he hasn't been the first or last under this regime. There is nothing to suggest Everton even made a bid for him.
Paul Ellam
697 Posted 04/02/2013 at 09:20:54
I actually questioned this as soon as I heard he had gone to Spurs for such a small transfer. If we were prepared to pay £8.5 million for Leroy Fer then surely getting Holtby for £1.5 - 2 million would allow us to pay him the wages he wanted for a good few years to match that £8.5 million whether it was in installments or not?

Maybe we weren't interested in him but I can't understand someone with his CV for so cheap not getting interest from just about everybody – especially a club like us who don't possess oodles of money. Just feels like a chance missed. Let's hope the summer brings us the players we actually need. Fingers crossed!

Marc Sansum
699 Posted 04/02/2013 at 09:39:30
Fer's £8.5mil was probably over 4 years though.... We paid £500k up front for Stones. We probably didn't have £1.5M cash waiting to stump up.

Also on the subject of wages, he certainly will be on top dollar (as not much of a fee paid for him). Wether its £80k is another story.

Andrew Ellams
701 Posted 04/02/2013 at 09:41:27
Si @ 649, isn't that now called 'Doing An Odemwinge'?
James Morgan
703 Posted 04/02/2013 at 09:45:34
We wouldn't be worried about this lad if we got Moutinho and Banega!!!
Sam Hoare
707 Posted 04/02/2013 at 10:20:18
To be honest I think once Spurs were in for him it was maybe a longshot as like it or not they are a more upwardly mobile club than us with higher wages to spunk than us.

Sissoko however?! Here is a player, very much in the Fer mould that was available at bargain price (c£2m) due to a run down contract. He was well known about and surely would have considered choosing us over Newcastle. He has pace and power and is what our squad is crying out for. Even if he had not cut it we could have sold him for a profit. Given the Fer bid we were obviously looking for a player of this ilk. I really can't work out why we were not in for him...unless his wages were prohibitively high but even so, we're paying Heitinga 60k p/w ffs.

Steavey Buckley
743 Posted 04/02/2013 at 13:31:49
Having another quality midfield player this season could be worth at least 8 points this season. The Neville/Osman axis has been quite awful.
Jim Harrison
746 Posted 04/02/2013 at 13:39:00
£1.5 million transfer fee, big fat signing on fee. Big fat London-sized wages. Remember how much being a fan affected Rooney's choice?
Tom Bowers
748 Posted 04/02/2013 at 14:18:46
Don't kid yourselves, Holtby if signed would still be a benchwarmer as long as Osman and Neville can still walk.

We never get to know what really went on in the transfer window i.e. who Moyes seriously went after and what amount of cash he had in hand if any. The bottom line is we have no-one to strengthen the squad and the likes of Barkley and Gueye are dispensed with, leading us to believe that Moyes is quite happy that the current midfielders we have can carry us into the Champions Lleague... Yeah right!

After that sorry debacle against Villa, an outfit that has been totally inept in recent weeks. His inept tampering of the back four was diabolical. Anyone (except BK) still think he's the right man for Everton?

Harold Matthews
749 Posted 04/02/2013 at 14:21:48
Yes Sam, Sissoko looks pretty hot. Newcastle have great scouts.

When no-one came in for Fellaini, I guess we shelved everything, loans and all. Our wage bill needs to come down.

James McKenna
751 Posted 04/02/2013 at 14:32:54
Yes, we should have signed him! We've screwed up massively by not bringing in anyone who can play at first team level this window.

The problem with hijacking Holtby was that he'd already signed a pre-contract agreement to sign for free in the summer so Spurs simply brought the deal forward to January. Spurs don't pay decent wages – I doubt he is on more than £30-40k per week so no excuses there. He is more than good enough to play for Everton.

Other clubs have shown that good players can be signed for bargains this season – Newcastle, Swansea and Fulham, to name but a few, but we seemed to have missed the boat on these players. It's one thing scouting players but you need to know about the contracts they are on as well, clauses/wages etc. We don't appear to have someone at the club who can strike a good deal in the way that someone like Levy can!

Kevin Tully
756 Posted 04/02/2013 at 15:19:52
Paul Andrews # 679 - Care to expand on that remark?
Peter Knight
806 Posted 04/02/2013 at 17:46:23
If you want 4th place you should make an effort for Holtby, he has come on as a sub in his last two game and helped them to 4 points which they did not deserve.

On last season's results for our remaining games, we took only 11 points from the teams we play...

We did need a boost.

Tony J Williams
832 Posted 04/02/2013 at 19:46:32
"The problem with hijacking Holtby was that he'd already signed a pre-contract agreement to sign for free in the summer" - And there it is. It wasn't necessary for a 30+ thread to discuss how crap we are etc etc. He was always going to Spurs, so much for being a blue.
Colin Glassar
844 Posted 04/02/2013 at 20:30:11
They got him for £850k (€1.2M) and I've heard he's on £60k p/w. We are a joke in the TM.
Tony J Williams
845 Posted 04/02/2013 at 20:34:48
Colin, see above.
Brian Waring
853 Posted 04/02/2013 at 20:41:03
As Tony said, he had already signed a pre - contract to join Spurs in the summer, so we wouldn't have been able to hijack his move there. The only reason he went to Spurs in January was because they were willing to pay Schalke a fee to release him.
Tom Daly
855 Posted 04/02/2013 at 20:42:08
This post and the vast majority of the subsequent comments are proof that very few football fans actually know what they are talking about; worse, they are prepared to inflict such ill-informed, barely literate garbage on the rest of their fellow fans. Toffeeweb is a superb source of information, but it does provide a platform for some colossal nonsense.

Spurs - London club, money to spare, bright young continental manager, recently appeared (successfully) in the Champions League etc. Hell, he might even have a friend/family who lives in the city or plays for the club for all we know! What is the point in speculating as to why he is not currently an Everton player.

MOYES OUT AND KENWRIGHT OUT AND THE REST OF THEM OUT WE'RE A SHOWER OF A CLUB AND NEVILLE AND OSMAN TOO, OH AND HEITINGA AND JELAVIC WHY HAVEN'T WE BOUGHT MESSI AND INIESTA though, yeah, of course. Sorry.

Gavin Ramejkis
858 Posted 04/02/2013 at 20:54:36
Stick to your speedos Tom, standup comedy isn't for you
Steve Mink
860 Posted 04/02/2013 at 20:53:45
Whilst agreeing that there is flawed logic in the original comment, I can only sympathize with the sentiment. There is no greater feeling for a football fan than to see a great player doing well for your club and knowing he is deep down one of us.
Kevin Tully
863 Posted 04/02/2013 at 21:10:02
Tom #855,

Never mind the fact the lad is a blue, a world class midfielder has just been signed by one of our rivals for a small fee, on wages we could easily a match.

Don't you think our support has a right to question if we were even considering signing players in this bracket?

Paul David
867 Posted 04/02/2013 at 21:11:01
I don't think clubs can speak to players when they have 12 months on their contracts. Its 6 months and not till its expired if the player and buying club are in the same country.
Winston Williamson
871 Posted 04/02/2013 at 21:39:49
You have that the wrong way round Paul (867).
Foreign clubs can talk to players in the last 12 months and domestic clubs only in the last 6 months!

As for Holtby and Sissoko....real class players, who the world has known were available for cheap in the near future....the whole world except everton (it seems).

There is a lack of ambition at this club, but not by the fans

Edwardo Edwardosson
898 Posted 04/02/2013 at 23:05:37
Couldn't match wages. End of story. What exactly are you accusing the club of? Not knowing about Holtby? Being too lazy to inquire? That makes just no sense at all. The journalist with the most access and information on the club has given you the reasons he thinks Holtby is not here. That reason is also completely logical. Yet there will be a dozen people going on and on in this forum about utter nonsense.
Si Cooper
908 Posted 04/02/2013 at 23:47:21
Edwardo, unless Greg O'Keefe or anyone else can confirm that EFC even bothered to enquire about the lad and were rebuffed, then the question over the club's ambition and competence remains.

Even if we make don't make fourth this season we are going to need a long-term replacement for Leon Osman (as well as a better option than Naismith unless he really does come good). Spurs original deal was for the lad in the summer, when we would be getting money from selling someone like Fellaini.

If we do make fourth then we would still be looking to strengthen these areas though the money would be more likely to be offset against projected revenue from domestic TV deal and potential qualification for CL proper first stage.

It is not about hijacking the Spurs deal once that was in place, it is about whether we tried at all to get in first and really pitch the good things about playing for us and residing in the north-west (London really isn't that far away if you fancy a bit of sight-seeing).

Kevin Tully
909 Posted 05/02/2013 at 00:13:05
#898

Why don't you post under your real name?

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
911 Posted 05/02/2013 at 00:28:11
Good catch, Kevin. I'm not sure how this Spanglo-Icelandic character got through the vetting process so easily...
Si Cooper
915 Posted 05/02/2013 at 00:40:24
MK, he is on Facebook (I checked before responding to his post) - or did Edwardo just set that account up to infiltrate TW?
Dominic Bobadilla
951 Posted 05/02/2013 at 07:35:16
909: Many immigrants to Iceland do take some steps to make their names sound as Icelandic as possible. Until 1998, if I am not wrong, it was compulsory to do so.
Michael Kenrick
952 Posted 05/02/2013 at 07:44:18
Hmmm... IP Address resolves to a rocky island alrite... Hong Kong.
Dominic Bobadilla
954 Posted 05/02/2013 at 07:47:25
All I am saying is that the name is not so silly that it could not be for real.
Martin Mason
955 Posted 05/02/2013 at 08:04:48
English as first language though?
Bill Griffiths
049 Posted 05/02/2013 at 16:56:18
All articles that I have come across regarding him quote him as being a big fan of both Everton and Arsenal, so he signs for Spurs. This would indicate to me that he went for the money which is probably far more than we would/could have been willing to pay him.
Bill Griffiths
050 Posted 05/02/2013 at 16:56:18
All articles that I have come across regarding him quote him as being a big fan of both Everton and Arsenal, so he signs for Spurs. This would indicate to me that he went for the money which is probably far more than we would/could have been willing to pay him.
David French
052 Posted 05/02/2013 at 17:09:17
Given that his family moved to Germany, they may not have painted a rosy picture of living in or around Liverpool.
Ben Dyke
130 Posted 06/02/2013 at 00:33:43
The thing is lads he publicly stated he would only leave for a champs league club and I am sorry but we ain't one. His dad may be a blue but remember football is his career not his hobby like us.
Adam Fenlon
157 Posted 06/02/2013 at 01:49:06
Cmon "Edwardo", let us know - is that your real name?
Gavin Ramejkis
158 Posted 06/02/2013 at 08:30:11
David his family lived in Germany because his dad was posted there by the Army. Not a case of let's run away from Liverpool at all. From first hand experience if you want a shithole London has the lot.
Jamie Sweet
284 Posted 06/02/2013 at 21:47:58
I think this article should be about the young 'keeper Jack Butland.

1) The most outstanding young 'keeper in the country.

2) Wants to play in the Premier League

3) Available for a mere £3.5m

4) We definitely wanted him in the summer

5) Tim Howard hasn't got any younger or any better since the summer.

6) We had enough money to bid for Dutch and Spanish international players.

7) He went to a club below us in the league, not in London, not in Europe.

Someone explain that one to me!

Ian Allaker
285 Posted 06/02/2013 at 22:03:19
Jack never went to any of the other clubs either who would have wanted him, Moyes clearly sees Howard as his Number One for a couple more years yet.
Brian Waring
287 Posted 06/02/2013 at 22:09:13
Jamie, Butland also turned Chelsea down. The lad is only 19 and when he was interviewed he said he felt Stoke was the right choice to continue his developement. Give the lad his due, he could have easily taken the money at Chelsea and warmed the bench there.
Chris Fisher
405 Posted 07/02/2013 at 17:29:26
There must be a reason that we didn't go for him. He made it quite clear he is an Evertonian; that wouldn't've escaped Moyes's attention so there must be a reason that either we didn't put a bid in for him or that he decided not to join us.

If we just didn't even try to get him though then that is a big mistake on our part. I have family in Germany who have seen lots of him and said he is one of the most exciting German players coming through.

Jeremy Benson
417 Posted 07/02/2013 at 18:54:16
Think Tom Daly @885 has it just about spot on.

Now, about that stupid fake tan...

Jeremy Benson
419 Posted 07/02/2013 at 18:55:46
p.s. as to why not Lewis Holtby...

Well, why not any of the quality players who have been signed by x number of clubs during the window?

For a start, EFC must have a short list of players to go for (provided by Myes presumably). They simply can't chase every dog that runs around the corner - there are a finite number of scouts and a finite number of hours in the day when transfer negotiations etc can take place. No club can scattergun too far for fear of not getting anyone.

Clearly, holtby wasn't on that short list.

Am not sure what all the fuss is about. Arsenal have wads of financial leverage, are a more attractive proposition, probably a bigger scouting network and backroom staff to do deals, and they only brought in one player.

The january window is not a good time to bring players in. Unless they are about to be on a free in the summer (in which case most buying clubs wait till the summer to get them free...), then any players you do bring in were not wanted by their clubs during the current contracted season. Ergo, not many quality signings.

Craig Bellew
420 Posted 07/02/2013 at 19:06:28
I cant believe this thread is still being discussed. Build a bridge gents he plays for Spurs !

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