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After last week's disappointing result to Oldham, the winners of the replay will host Wigan in the next round of the FA Cup — a draw which could have been made a lot harder, with teams such as Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea all still in the Cup. As Man Utd and Chelsea were being drawn to play against eachother, I realsied that with a win against Oldham, followed by a win against Wigan, and the FA Cup could be ours for the taking.

If luck goes our way, and two of the three remaining "bigger" clubs meet in the Semi-Final, we would have a really big chance of getting in to the Final, and ending a very long Trophy Drought. This could maybe give our club the big publicity it needs to sign bigger players and push for more permanent place among the Champions League slots. A 6th-place finish will get us into the Europa League, regardless of whether we win the FA Cup or not.

The question is: Does the current squad we have playing for our great football club have the capability to mount the push for consistent Champions League football?

Ethan Maddison, Liverpool, England     Posted 21/02/2013 at 17:00:01

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Nick Waters
240 Posted 21/02/2013 at 17:59:03
All we have to do is beat Oldham!! Wait a minute we've tried that already and didn't actually manage it. Still we have Davey Moyes and his trophy winning record! Oh hang on....
I hate to be a wet blanket, but I also don't want to be on happy pills either.
Gerry Quinn
247 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:34:56
"Does the current squad we have playing for our great football club have the capability to mount the push for consistent Champions League football?"

NO!

Ethan Maddison
250 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:38:47
like all clubs we need to improve in a fee positions, but Baines, Jags, Felli, Pienaar are all playing well, Jela and Mirallas need to hit Peak Form and we still have good players in, Distin, Gibson, Etc, @EthanMaddison
Ethan Maddison
251 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:40:15
@Nick Waters-- We have a great chance here at a trophy. moyes has been a great Manager and turned this club around.
Nick Entwistle
259 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:49:15
Persistent CL football? Just once would be nice, and even then you'd have to factor in the extra games that the competition adds to the season to mount a challenge again for 4th.

Yes the hopeful cash bonanza can afford four or five more players but even then you're still trying to topple Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool to that 3rd or 4th.

Our starting XI I would put up against anyones. Problem comes when there's no one of quality to allow rotation. There's a reason clubs have big squads now and that is highly tuned athletes cannot compete in every game to the same standards. An F1 car will win a race against a Prius but I know which one will break down first.

Still, that's no excuse for lack of game time for Oviedo, Duffy, Barkley to do just that. I'm not sure how much longer the legs on our key players will last.

Mike Oates
286 Posted 21/02/2013 at 20:51:17
Will have to be the FA Cup for Europe as with our league form I cant see us beating Spurs to the 4th and I fear Liverpool are turning it on (2-1 up against Zenith as I write and unlucky not to have 2 more goals) and will get 5th. This means 6th at best and beating Arsenal to it.

Will 6th get us to Europe? Well, one Europa place gone this weekend to Swansea or Bradford and if some one wins FA Cup from outside top 5 we wont get in to Europa even in 6th.

Dave Lynch
288 Posted 21/02/2013 at 21:02:36
Face it now.
The season will end in the usual damp squib and what could have beens.
Patrick Murphy
304 Posted 21/02/2013 at 22:21:50
Well Mike at least we're in with a chance of winning a trophy unlike some we could think of.
Barry Rathbone
306 Posted 21/02/2013 at 22:26:42
No.

We followed the road map of giving a manager the riches of "time" to grow the seeds of success and as result Moyes potless reign will forever haunt managers who plead "I need time".

A great youth policy should be supplanting the ageing team we are too skint to replace but nothing of the sort is happening.

All assets have gone or been re-mortgaged to give us Baines and Felli, quite frankly asking a question about CL is bizarre.

James Martin
311 Posted 21/02/2013 at 22:56:37
We'll do it this time, can't cock it up every year. City in the semi, United in the final, a manc double bill to see big Phil lifting the trophy.
Ian Allaker
319 Posted 21/02/2013 at 23:47:45
Did anybody see that scum bag Suarez up to his old trick again tonight? He stamped on the leg and back of one of the Zenit players! I don't know how he gets away with this kind of thing every other week.

Justice was done in the end though and they were knocked out. It seemed very reminicent of our failure to progess in Europe when Florentina knocked us out in that the damage was done in the away leg leaving too much to do in the home game.

Dominic Bobadilla
320 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:10:10
319: A day will come when an opponent will lose all patience with Ratface. One can only imagine what Vinny Jones would have done to him.
Dennis Stevens
321 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:11:45
Everton winning the Cup whilst Moyes is in charge? Not even if he stays another 11 years!
Eric Myles
330 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:43:17
What Gerry (#247) said.
James Flynn
332 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:54:49
"The question is: Does the current squad we have playing for our great football club have the capability to mount the push for consistent Champions League football?"

Unfortunately, Ethan, we don't.

Myself, I thought Jela detonating on the PL last season was the linch-pin to CL possibilities. We see how that's turned out.

Our squad understands that mid-table is fine and good with our owners;. oyes or whoever is in next.

Si Cooper
333 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:42:22
Think he did it twice Ian. First time was before their second goal and the player needed a lot of treatment off the pitch. Don't know if he came back for the second half or not.

They highlighted the incidents on the TV but avoided discussing them in depth. Unfortunately, he seems to be able to do the achilles rake in a way that makes it hard to say for definite that it is deliberate. The evidence is mounting that he knows exactly what he is doing in those situations though.

Dave Lawley
366 Posted 22/02/2013 at 11:02:42
Yeah Ian, I noticed that dirty little cunts tricks earlier in the season. He stands on the ankle of the player running in front of him, potentially nasty injury for the totally unsuspecting unfortunate player on the end of it.

Also stood on the back of a defender right in front of the really useful official behind the goal, which prompted even the utterly awful Andy Townsend to comment "He didn't have to do that, he's let himself down" ... bit of an understatement that!

I find it strange none of his fellow professionals have not picked this up?

Someone needs to snap this twat in two!

Oddly that statement does not make me feel like I've said anything untoward, felt good!

Brian Hill
383 Posted 22/02/2013 at 12:38:19
Ethan, this is your mission, should you choose to accept it: prove that Bill Kenwright is capable of providing the necessary resources to sustain a challenge for top 4 status. This message will self-destruct when responded to by Martin Mason.
John Ford
385 Posted 22/02/2013 at 12:57:00
''Does the current squad we have playing for our great football club have the capability to mount the push for consistent Champions League football?''

Seriously what did you think anyone was going to say in response to this?...............NO!

Noone challenges consistently for CL places without a reasonable fighting fund. Thats why its the same fuckin teams every year.

January showed yet again, that we cant. We are off colour at the moment and had injuries to key players - we failed to bring in a couple of good players to freshen the squad and give us a boost. Fifth or sixth will be a decent return but its hugely dissapointing that we didnt give ourselves a punchers chance at fourth. Injuries and loss of form are common themes but we did fuck all about it.

Our chance went begging because the board failed to give Moyes and the squad what it needed. This position will not change unless the board does.

John Ford
387 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:09:35
Ethan...it reads like im having a go at you in the post above for raising the question. Im not, its just frustration!
Dominic Bobadilla
388 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:12:25
"Our chance went begging because the board failed to give Moyes and the squad what it needed."

Evertonians will always blame their their misfortunes on the lack of money.

Derek Thomas
394 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:13:19
Ethan; sorry mate you are talking absolute surrender monkey bollocks. Have a look at what you are saying...If all the ' big ' teams knock themselves out we have a good chance at the FA Cup.

IF! we get to the final it will be EVERTON playing some one else. We are not Ipswich, Wimbledon or Sunderland, playing ( for then ) big clubs. We won't be Watford who were there to enjoy the day.

I'm all for winning against the odds but if you start laying down the ifs ands or buts for conditions that ' may ' suit us you are getting into the realms of the ridiculous.

We are EVERTON and IF we get there, the opposition should be thinking, we've got our work cut out today.

John Ford
405 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:58:15
Dominic its not about 'misfortunes'. It's factual.

Show me a regular CL challenger from the English league who has been able to achieve this with the same or similar spending power as Everton.

There is a direct correlation between spending power and success. The obvious recent examples being Man City and Chelsea.

I'm not suggesting it can't be done without a higher level of investment, it's just a very difficult task — if your direct competitors are better able to buy in players when they feel they need to; and buying players commanding higher fees because they're theoretically of a higher quality.

The money debate is as dull as shit, but it is central to defining whether teams can regularly compete for trophies. Again I'd love to see someone break the mould on this, they'd be breaking a 15-year trend. It would be fantastic for our game!

Andy Meighan
406 Posted 22/02/2013 at 14:03:51
I said earlier on in the season about Cilla Black. Hope he gets a career-threatening injury — I'd never wish that on any one player (well alright... Emlyn Hughes) but this slimy little fucker's antics just make my blood boil.

I never watched them last night and never do but whilst watching the Chelsea game the scores kept coming through and, when they made it 3 - 1, I, like every other person on here, just knew what was going to happen. A penalty in the last couple of minutes. Thankfully it never happened and justice prevailed. Why I'm talking about them, I'll never know. It's just that rat has me so wound up...

Anyway, back to us. I can't see us getting no more than a draw tomorrow. Simply because we aren't really creating chances. I mean Oldham's goalie last week was hardly tested, was he?

No, I'm sorry, but Everton don't fill me with much confidence at the moment. I honestly think Moyes has told the players he's off at the end of the season and his miserable demeanour is rubbing off. I can see us struggling against Oldham and Reading too. I'm sorry but I've just got no faith in them. Hope I'm wrong, I really do.

Dominic Bobadilla
408 Posted 22/02/2013 at 14:19:33
You Britons will always count your pennies. Did it ever occur to you that other factors must be included in your equation? I am not saying that money does not matter; just see to it that you take into account the ineptitude of Moyes as well.
Ian Campbell
411 Posted 22/02/2013 at 14:32:51
Dominic your argument is nonsense.

We are challenging for europe with no money and with moyes yet you cite that the ineptitude of moyes as being a barrier for us.

Well no-one has challenged for the top 4 without money so does that mean that all of the other 16 managers that don't qualify for the CL are also inept?

Money is significant and all you have done make statements without backing this up with what we could/should have done instead.

City had no money and were in Div 2 after back to back relegations and hadn't won anything in over 40 years - 700mil pounds later and they are FA Cup Winners and then League Champions.

Everton are still the only team to have made the top 4 without having a ton of money to spend - Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Spurs, Newcastle, Leeds, Blackburn, Liverpool.

The 'ineptitude' of Moyes has seen us improve 8-10 places in the league over 10 seasons with very little money and just because we don't win a cup he is a failure?

Dominic Bobadilla
420 Posted 22/02/2013 at 15:35:20
Ian Campbell: only strict adherence to the party line will please people like you. I pointed out that money is not all; that other factors should be included as well. The fourth spot was merely a means to an end and a lucky shot, just three points ahead of Bolton. Let us see if our Scottish genius can replicate his triumph.

I pointed out the ineptitude of British managers in general. You should look into what Hleb had to say regarding McLeish and Kaamark regarding O'Neill. Moyes may be a good motivator, but as a tactician he is a non-entity.

Mike Powell
437 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:22:43
Spot on, Ian Campbell; anyone can see that the top four spend millions every year just to try and stay in the top four. Money has everything to do with it, and anyone of those managers from the top spending clubs wouldn't last six months in the Everton job and would be lucky to keep us up. Moyes has done brilliant with what little resources he has had
John Ford
439 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:28:31
Dominic, let's reverse your point to illustrate how poor it is... show me any tactical genius who has had regular CL qualification success without the benefit of a good purchasing pot?

You can't because there aren't any.

TV Money accrued and started to dictate who wins pots from about the late 90s onwards. As Ian points out, our 'tactical non-entity' of a manager is the only one to have got his team into the top four. (And how on earth was this lucky?)

Since Moyes did this, CL qualification is much harder because, shortly afterwards, Man City and Chelsea paid their way into CL contention. I'll say that again: they PAID their way into CL contention!

Nick Entwistle
440 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:45:44
Dominic is pointing out his two main reasons, presumably, as to why we are not doing better. Money and managerial ineptitude.

But what he doesn't point out is why given those bad points how the hell we find ourselves in a fight for CL football and the best of the moneyless clubs each and every season.

Dominic?

Dominic Bobadilla
442 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:50:39
John Ford: given the fact that I am not British, I may have a more cosmopolitan outlook on things than you do. Felix Magath won the league with Wolfsburg! Why? Because of his tactical ingenuity. You could never achieve something like this with dullards like McLeish, Moyes, and O'Neill. Everton need new impulses. Please choose a continental manager with a little guile and I can guarantee you that he will outshine Moyes. You Britons are not quite as clever as you think you might be. As Nietzsche rightly pointed out, "die Engländer: keine philosophische Rasse." And before you flame me: I grew up in England. Why? None of your fuckin business.
Dominic Bobadilla
443 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:04:13
Nick, I like you, and you are at liberty to disagree with me. Just try to analyse things from my vantage point.
Ian Campbell
449 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:05:59
You're vantage point? That of a cretin?

Why is it lucky that Everton finished 4th (with 2 games to spare I might add) and only 3pts ahead of Bolton yet it is skill that Wolfsburg finished 2pts ahead of Munich and won the league despite losing 7 out of 36 games?

Not sure what your problem is with British people and managers either and I don't care why you grew up in england nor do I care that you left.

Dominic Bobadilla
452 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:22:40
Oh dear: if you cannot defeat your opponent by strictly logical means, then you may always resort to ad hominem attacks. Sorry, Ian Campbell, I am not interested in any dialogue with you. Goodbye.
Dominic Bobadilla
455 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:27:53
And just so you know: I am no village idiot from Norway. I know that there are some highly intelligent Evertonians on this forum, with some of whom I correspond in private and some of whom I have met in person. Name-calling is not going to strengthen your case.
Ian Campbell
458 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:29:44
Says the guy that was swearing and who has been complaining about British people and managers.

Laters genius.

Ian Campbell
459 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:36:31
The case for Moyes is strong - your assertions and justification for continental managers based on Wolfburg is weak.

You point to the exception to the rule and ignore the rule itself.

Dominic Bobadilla
461 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:42:24
Ian Campbell: come back when you have something interesting to say.
Nick Entwistle
463 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:43:14
What's your vantage point then Dominic?

And in what respect are you more cosmopolitan because you're not British? Do you not know the ethnic make up of the country?

But I do love this "You Britons are not quite as clever as you think you might be". The double slight is lovely.

You answered everything with nothing.

Ian Campbell
465 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:48:05
Dominic why is it lucky that Everton finished 4th (with 2 games to spare I might add) and only 3pts ahead of Bolton yet it is skill that Wolfsburg finished 2pts ahead of Munich and won the league despite losing 7 out of 36 games?

You just pick and choose to answer the questions that you believe that you can refute and you have ignored everything else that you don't have an answer to.

Steve Sweeney
471 Posted 22/02/2013 at 18:02:49
OK, OK, I get it we can never compete with the big boys, The Sky 4/5/6/ because we have no money. Its not Moyes fault he has no money. Knife to a gunfight etc etc.

OK, why then please explain WHY THE FUCK CAN'T WE BEAT OLDHAM? Why can we only manage draws at home to Norwich and the poorest Villa side seen in the last 10 years.

Why did we lose to Reading? WHY??? Because Davie is a shithouse and is far too cautious. Good riddance, I say. And yes I do know what I am wishing for.

COYB

Nick Entwistle
472 Posted 22/02/2013 at 18:05:40
If you're having troubles with boredom Dominic, go down the Mitte district.
Derek Thomas
531 Posted 22/02/2013 at 20:55:36
Back on topic lads ( yet again ) key question does the current squad have what it takes.

A) No

Moyes and Kenwright are to blame

Ben Jones
533 Posted 22/02/2013 at 21:03:04
I think we blew our chance in January quite frankly.

Somebody in with the quality of Fer, and maybe one more, may have done the difference, but it just wasnt to be.

We've kind of lost momentum ever since.

John Ford
569 Posted 22/02/2013 at 22:23:27
Derek for some reason my 519 has been lifted. Ho hum

A) no

Agreed

John Ford
570 Posted 22/02/2013 at 22:27:16
But Kenwright much more than uncle Davey.

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