Season 2012-13
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We're On The March...
After last week's disappointing result to Oldham, the winners of the replay will host Wigan in the next round of the FA Cup — a draw which could have been made a lot harder, with teams such as Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea all still in the Cup. As Man Utd and Chelsea were being drawn to play against eachother, I realsied that with a win against Oldham, followed by a win against Wigan, and the FA Cup could be ours for the taking.
If luck goes our way, and two of the three remaining "bigger" clubs meet in the Semi-Final, we would have a really big chance of getting in to the Final, and ending a very long Trophy Drought. This could maybe give our club the big publicity it needs to sign bigger players and push for more permanent place among the Champions League slots. A 6th-place finish will get us into the Europa League, regardless of whether we win the FA Cup or not.
The question is: Does the current squad we have playing for our great football club have the capability to mount the push for consistent Champions League football?
Ethan Maddison, Posted 21/02/2013 at 17:00:01
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247 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:34:56
NO!
250 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:38:47
251 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:40:15
259 Posted 21/02/2013 at 18:49:15
Yes the hopeful cash bonanza can afford four or five more players but even then you're still trying to topple Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool to that 3rd or 4th.
Our starting XI I would put up against anyones. Problem comes when there's no one of quality to allow rotation. There's a reason clubs have big squads now and that is highly tuned athletes cannot compete in every game to the same standards. An F1 car will win a race against a Prius but I know which one will break down first.
Still, that's no excuse for lack of game time for Oviedo, Duffy, Barkley to do just that. I'm not sure how much longer the legs on our key players will last.
286 Posted 21/02/2013 at 20:51:17
Will 6th get us to Europe? Well, one Europa place gone this weekend to Swansea or Bradford and if some one wins FA Cup from outside top 5 we wont get in to Europa even in 6th.
288 Posted 21/02/2013 at 21:02:36
The season will end in the usual damp squib and what could have beens.
304 Posted 21/02/2013 at 22:21:50
306 Posted 21/02/2013 at 22:26:42
We followed the road map of giving a manager the riches of "time" to grow the seeds of success and as result Moyes potless reign will forever haunt managers who plead "I need time".
A great youth policy should be supplanting the ageing team we are too skint to replace but nothing of the sort is happening.
All assets have gone or been re-mortgaged to give us Baines and Felli, quite frankly asking a question about CL is bizarre.
311 Posted 21/02/2013 at 22:56:37
319 Posted 21/02/2013 at 23:47:45
Justice was done in the end though and they were knocked out. It seemed very reminicent of our failure to progess in Europe when Florentina knocked us out in that the damage was done in the away leg leaving too much to do in the home game.
320 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:10:10
321 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:11:45
330 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:43:17
332 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:54:49
Unfortunately, Ethan, we don't.
Myself, I thought Jela detonating on the PL last season was the linch-pin to CL possibilities. We see how that's turned out.
Our squad understands that mid-table is fine and good with our owners;. oyes or whoever is in next.
333 Posted 22/02/2013 at 00:42:22
They highlighted the incidents on the TV but avoided discussing them in depth. Unfortunately, he seems to be able to do the achilles rake in a way that makes it hard to say for definite that it is deliberate. The evidence is mounting that he knows exactly what he is doing in those situations though.
366 Posted 22/02/2013 at 11:02:42
Also stood on the back of a defender right in front of the really useful official behind the goal, which prompted even the utterly awful Andy Townsend to comment "He didn't have to do that, he's let himself down" ... bit of an understatement that!
I find it strange none of his fellow professionals have not picked this up?
Someone needs to snap this twat in two!
Oddly that statement does not make me feel like I've said anything untoward, felt good!
383 Posted 22/02/2013 at 12:38:19
385 Posted 22/02/2013 at 12:57:00
Seriously what did you think anyone was going to say in response to this?...............NO!
Noone challenges consistently for CL places without a reasonable fighting fund. Thats why its the same fuckin teams every year.
January showed yet again, that we cant. We are off colour at the moment and had injuries to key players - we failed to bring in a couple of good players to freshen the squad and give us a boost. Fifth or sixth will be a decent return but its hugely dissapointing that we didnt give ourselves a punchers chance at fourth. Injuries and loss of form are common themes but we did fuck all about it.
Our chance went begging because the board failed to give Moyes and the squad what it needed. This position will not change unless the board does.
387 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:09:35
388 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:12:25
Evertonians will always blame their their misfortunes on the lack of money.
394 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:13:19
IF! we get to the final it will be EVERTON playing some one else. We are not Ipswich, Wimbledon or Sunderland, playing ( for then ) big clubs. We won't be Watford who were there to enjoy the day.
I'm all for winning against the odds but if you start laying down the ifs ands or buts for conditions that ' may ' suit us you are getting into the realms of the ridiculous.
We are EVERTON and IF we get there, the opposition should be thinking, we've got our work cut out today.
405 Posted 22/02/2013 at 13:58:15
Show me a regular CL challenger from the English league who has been able to achieve this with the same or similar spending power as Everton.
There is a direct correlation between spending power and success. The obvious recent examples being Man City and Chelsea.
I'm not suggesting it can't be done without a higher level of investment, it's just a very difficult task — if your direct competitors are better able to buy in players when they feel they need to; and buying players commanding higher fees because they're theoretically of a higher quality.
The money debate is as dull as shit, but it is central to defining whether teams can regularly compete for trophies. Again I'd love to see someone break the mould on this, they'd be breaking a 15-year trend. It would be fantastic for our game!
406 Posted 22/02/2013 at 14:03:51
I never watched them last night and never do but whilst watching the Chelsea game the scores kept coming through and, when they made it 3 - 1, I, like every other person on here, just knew what was going to happen. A penalty in the last couple of minutes. Thankfully it never happened and justice prevailed. Why I'm talking about them, I'll never know. It's just that rat has me so wound up...
Anyway, back to us. I can't see us getting no more than a draw tomorrow. Simply because we aren't really creating chances. I mean Oldham's goalie last week was hardly tested, was he?
No, I'm sorry, but Everton don't fill me with much confidence at the moment. I honestly think Moyes has told the players he's off at the end of the season and his miserable demeanour is rubbing off. I can see us struggling against Oldham and Reading too. I'm sorry but I've just got no faith in them. Hope I'm wrong, I really do.
408 Posted 22/02/2013 at 14:19:33
411 Posted 22/02/2013 at 14:32:51
We are challenging for europe with no money and with moyes yet you cite that the ineptitude of moyes as being a barrier for us.
Well no-one has challenged for the top 4 without money so does that mean that all of the other 16 managers that don't qualify for the CL are also inept?
Money is significant and all you have done make statements without backing this up with what we could/should have done instead.
City had no money and were in Div 2 after back to back relegations and hadn't won anything in over 40 years - 700mil pounds later and they are FA Cup Winners and then League Champions.
Everton are still the only team to have made the top 4 without having a ton of money to spend - Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Spurs, Newcastle, Leeds, Blackburn, Liverpool.
The 'ineptitude' of Moyes has seen us improve 8-10 places in the league over 10 seasons with very little money and just because we don't win a cup he is a failure?
420 Posted 22/02/2013 at 15:35:20
I pointed out the ineptitude of British managers in general. You should look into what Hleb had to say regarding McLeish and Kaamark regarding O'Neill. Moyes may be a good motivator, but as a tactician he is a non-entity.
437 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:22:43
439 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:28:31
You can't because there aren't any.
TV Money accrued and started to dictate who wins pots from about the late 90s onwards. As Ian points out, our 'tactical non-entity' of a manager is the only one to have got his team into the top four. (And how on earth was this lucky?)
Since Moyes did this, CL qualification is much harder because, shortly afterwards, Man City and Chelsea paid their way into CL contention. I'll say that again: they PAID their way into CL contention!
440 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:45:44
But what he doesn't point out is why given those bad points how the hell we find ourselves in a fight for CL football and the best of the moneyless clubs each and every season.
Dominic?
442 Posted 22/02/2013 at 16:50:39
443 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:04:13
449 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:05:59
Why is it lucky that Everton finished 4th (with 2 games to spare I might add) and only 3pts ahead of Bolton yet it is skill that Wolfsburg finished 2pts ahead of Munich and won the league despite losing 7 out of 36 games?
Not sure what your problem is with British people and managers either and I don't care why you grew up in england nor do I care that you left.
452 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:22:40
455 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:27:53
458 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:29:44
Laters genius.
459 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:36:31
You point to the exception to the rule and ignore the rule itself.
461 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:42:24
463 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:43:14
And in what respect are you more cosmopolitan because you're not British? Do you not know the ethnic make up of the country?
But I do love this "You Britons are not quite as clever as you think you might be". The double slight is lovely.
You answered everything with nothing.
465 Posted 22/02/2013 at 17:48:05
You just pick and choose to answer the questions that you believe that you can refute and you have ignored everything else that you don't have an answer to.
471 Posted 22/02/2013 at 18:02:49
OK, why then please explain WHY THE FUCK CAN'T WE BEAT OLDHAM? Why can we only manage draws at home to Norwich and the poorest Villa side seen in the last 10 years.
Why did we lose to Reading? WHY??? Because Davie is a shithouse and is far too cautious. Good riddance, I say. And yes I do know what I am wishing for.
COYB
472 Posted 22/02/2013 at 18:05:40
531 Posted 22/02/2013 at 20:55:36
A) No
Moyes and Kenwright are to blame
533 Posted 22/02/2013 at 21:03:04
Somebody in with the quality of Fer, and maybe one more, may have done the difference, but it just wasnt to be.
We've kind of lost momentum ever since.
569 Posted 22/02/2013 at 22:23:27
A) no
Agreed
570 Posted 22/02/2013 at 22:27:16
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240 Posted 21/02/2013 at 17:59:03
I hate to be a wet blanket, but I also don't want to be on happy pills either.