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I’ve now been a member of ToffeeWeb for at least 8/9 years — I cant quite remember — and I have to say unlike the team the quality of the web site just gets better as the years progress and the opinions and views of most contributors are as rich and varied as they have ever been. The basis of a decent fan site like ToffeeWeb is of course those who make contributions and I have always found something worth reading somewhere on the site.

I find it difficult to construct really decent prose – and I often read some of the postings with a serious amount of admiration – the time and effort some people put into establishing their opinions and then justifying these thoughts with sound fact (or fiction!) is quite impressive. I remember some of the contributions during the Destination Kirkby episode the fact, stats and views identified and produced by the fan base was truly inspiring!

Of course, if Michael and Lyndon were to hold a virtual award ceremony for the previous 10 years of Toffeeweb you would have to be giving prizes to the likes of Ken Buckley, Paul Trail, Richard Dodd and of course the legend that is Tony Marsh (I fucking love Tony’s posts — whether I’m in agreement of disagreement he always makes me laugh).

The reason for this post is two-fold. Firstly I’d like to address the contributors with the following questions: who are your favourite contributors and why? What discussion point over the last 10 years on ToffeeWeb have you found the most engaging/enlightening or something you felt most passionate about? How important is the website to you — put simply how would you feel if Michael shut it down tomorrow never to return?!

Secondly I’d like to ask Michael and Lyndon – it's really points of interest – how much of your time in a week does ToffeeWeb take up? Do you both meet up regularly and do you actually get along?! Are you based out of Liverpool and how much equipment does it take to support a website of this size? And finally how long do plan to do this? What happens if one day you both decide it's too much effort?!!

Anyway thanks for the last 10 years everyone. And here’s to a great run-in — top 6 and FA cup winners, that’ do me.


Sam Higgins, London     Posted 26/02/2013 at 13:28:06

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Dick Fearon
225 Posted 27/02/2013 at 19:25:32
Hey Sam, plenty to muse about in your article but did you have to mention what happens should Michael and/or Lyndon chuck it in?

There is already a growing paranoia about the Moyessiah and his contract without you adding to it.

Ian Bennett
241 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:00:32
Hell fire, the second set of questions looks like a takeover bid to me.... Here's a pound, I want 50% of the equity. It would be Everton all over if the nearest we got to takeover, was if Lyndon and Michael sold up. 24/7 etc......
Patrick Murphy
244 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:07:43
Don't sell please...Michael and Lyndon, it's the one area of Everton FC where we can gain some sense of the truth, don't let it become another arm of the official site. BK could be behind a cloak and dagger bid for your site and it will soon be overloaded with advertising for cheap away day packages to theatre land and long forgotten songs of the 50s and 60s. They will probably charge 5p a word for contributors to air their views and you will have to pay up front with no guarantee of publication,

Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
256 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:16:44
Heheh, an interesting take on Sam's questions!

We've been running the site, either in its previous incarnation as the parallel ToffeeWeb.org and Evertonia.com sites or the current unified one, for 17 to 18 years now and though I'd be lying if I said the thought of jacking it in hasn't crossed the mind once or twice over that time, rest assured — though I risk speaking on Michael's behalf! — that we don't have any plans to call it a day any time soon.

The site is without a doubt time-intensive and, depending on the news flow and number of games in a week, can soak up many, many hours in posting stories, writing articles, managing submissions, comments, member accounts... we've made some rods for our backs over the years! :)

It could quite easily be a full-time job, actually, as there are lot of areas of the site that are out of date and need attention and, realistically, we probably need a like-minded, similarly masochistic person to help out on the news side at least.

The partnership works as-is, though, because MK and I are both committed to it and we've seen a lot of rival sites come and go over the years. A lot of people have this myopic view of TW as this rigid, single-minded entity but the reality is that MK and I don't always see eye to eye — be it the tone of the news or the pros and cons of one David Moyes, for example — and it would probably surprise our readers that I think we've only actually met in person twice and rarely need to communicate beyond text, email and IM!

In terms of equipment, we don't need much more than our personal computers, software like Adobe Photoshop and Dreamweaver and a web browser — the site is hosted by Media Temple so all the heavy-lifting happens there — but we've spent many years putting in place what drives the news and comment parts of the site so that it's as easy to run as possible.

How long do we plan on continuing...? Lord knows! It's such a fabric of my life that I can't envision not doing it but, again, it wouldn't be honest to say there aren't times when you just don't want to do it and it is a real chore, particularly when life away from EFC gets busy or people brutally denigrate the site for all sorts of reasons. On those days — I won't lie — you find it hard to justify the time you put into it!

But, in the absence of any real financial return, to know that there are tens and tens of thousands of people who visit your website and get something out of it — or, better yet, find it indispensable — is massively rewarding in itself. That is really what drives us on, I think; providing a useful resource for you the readers and contributors.

Roman Sidey
259 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:23:43
What'd Doddy change his username to?
Paul Ellam
260 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:24:22
Keep up the good work, fellas!

The site is great for finding out news and, although there are some proper numpties who post on here, I will continue to log on every day just in case we sign the next Messi or the next Beattie!

And always I pray for the day when the headlines read "Arab consortium takes over and pledges £500 million towards the stadium and playing squad".

Phil Walling
263 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:40:24
FAO Roman Sidey:- Richard Dodd aka Ian Allaker.
Paul Smith
265 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:38:12
I've only been a member for 18 months - 2 years, but I love the site.

There are some really insightful and articulate members of TW, who continue, to come up with the facts, to back up their arguments and statistics which, rightly or wrongly, shed light on our team's performances.

I think Eugene has got my vote for humour alone: never met the guy, but his posts are sensible and very funny.

Keep up the good work guys. COYB

Barry Rathbone
266 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:59:35
Extraordinary just 2 lads - MK and LL - produce such a gem.

Trying to decipher the unmitigated garbage on forums like GOT, NSNO and KIPPER where virtually every post is just banality from youths approaching their first "asbo" you realise what a unique treasure this forum is.

Be lost without it.

Keith Edmunds
267 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:44:30
Indispensable is the word that fits for me Lyndon.

Sam, I believe both Lyndon and Michael are US based.

Phil you've got me checking Ian Allakers posts now!

Paul Columb
268 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:47:29
I can, hand-on-heart honestly say that the death of ToffeeWeb would be felt as a significant personal loss. Everton banter is not exactly ubiquitous in Alaska, never mind the USA and the occasional Merseyside trip only tides me by for so long. Feeling a connection, albeit distant to Evertonians is much needed. Thank you Lyndon, Michael and to all who contribute.
Tony Marsh
270 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:00:24
Great site and a must for all serious Evertonians. The lads who give their time to supplying the info and arranging the posts and threads deserve a medal.

Maybe Bill Kenwright should be made to log on a couple of times a week just to get glimpse of what's really going on in the thoughts of Everton supporters.
Maybe BK could make a token donation to TW to ease the burden on the lads. Oh, sorry, I forgot Bill is skint...

Nice job, Boys — thanks for your time and efforts keeping us in the loop.
Mick Fleming
274 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:01:37
I don't often post on here but am a massive fan of Toffeeweb, love it to bits. Some of the regular posters are absolutely hilarious and I have read some side-splitters on here, Mr Ruane take a bow mate as you would get my vote for funniest posts.

I am sat here on the couch on my iPad and the missus just said "let me guess, ToffeeWeb", Its either that or porn but ToffeeWeb comes first! What dedication guys keep up the outstanding work so I can continue with my regular fix.

Lyndon Lloyd
275 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:15:34
Tony, I know that many of the more controversial articles on TW have made it to Bill's desk, particularly when Colm was a regular contributor of no-holds-barred articles!

Bill also apparently told one fan on the ESCLA train a few years ago, apparently in reference to me, that "he writes well but he writes a lot of shit." I think we'll let history be the judge on that score...

Kevin Tully
277 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:28:14
Without Toffeeweb, I would have to consider getting to work at my desk, and that would not do at all.

I have got to be honest, I log on to Toffeeweb before I open my mails of a morning, brilliant forum for blues all over the world.

Andy Crooks
283 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:00:24
In my view the best piece ever written on this site is Eugene Ruane's description of the Moyes family holiday. I think most people missed it, so go to the search put in "Moyes holiday" and press go.
Richard Dodd
284 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:00:53
Even though my posts are no longer welcomed by the editorial team, my admiration for what they do is unfettered. ToffeeWeb has got me into a lot of trouble over the years but that's my fault. Long may you feel up to the task, Michael and Lyndon.
Andy Crooks
285 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:04:53
Just read it again, it comes under the thread "Moyes ready for the beach"
Robert Collins
286 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:02:19
Simply an awsome site, so factual and no nonesense and the humour is of the highest quality.

We're luck to have it, many thanks LL & MK.

Patrick Murphy
287 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:10:40
Fantastic! Thanks for that Andy, Eugene just has that knack of painting pictures, like a dark version of the Broons.

On another note FSW has had his usual rant "The fans are not helping us, at the end of the season I will leave. They don't have to worry about me.'' So there may be a job opportunity for DM although I'm not sure he'll want to live in the capital where prices are a little higher than Merseyside.

Lyndon Lloyd
289 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:22:08
RD: "Even though my posts are no longer welcomed by the editorial team"

You what now, Richard? You're free to post any time you like, albeit under the same conditions as everyone else.

Brian Denton
290 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:23:30
Doddy, are you saying your posts are somehow censored or not printed? I find that hard to believe.

Echo all the good words about the site.

Ian Smitham
291 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:13:21
Mick, #274, Bloke having affair with secretary, as he leaves her gets some chalk out and marks just behind his right ear, girlfriend asks what he is doing. He explains he is going to tell Wife he has been playing Darts. This goes on for a few weeks then one night he gets home and his wife asks where he has been. He tells her he has been shagging his secretary, she replies that he is a lying bastard as she can see he has been playing darts.

Me? My partner asks me what I am doing and I tell her I am reading porn, she responds that she knows I am reading ToffeeWeb.

Thanks be to all the contributors, I particularly enjoy Ken's reports, and when I am queuing outside the Blue Dragon often look at people and try to figure out if they are Ken.

But, not least, a really big thanks to Michael and Lyndon for what they do. As Kevin #277 says, first thing I do in the morning is log on here and first thing I do when I get back from the game is read how everyone else has reacted to what they have seen.

Thanks again guys and thanks for letting me contribute.

Ian

Mick Fleming
292 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:25:12
Andy just read the holiday post, pissed myself laughing.
Mick Fleming
294 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:29:21
Ian, #291 ha ha good advice mate. You see not just honest opinion and humour but good advice as well. Thank you Toffeeweb.
Steven Sturm
298 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:57:48
Yes, thank you Toffeeweb. I don't post much but I very much enjoy the live chat during games. The articles and comments are great to keep in touch with Everton from 8 time zones away. May it long continue...
Dave Lynch
299 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:02:09
Only site I ever look at re the blues.

Total and utter respect for the lads who run it. Many thanks for the time and effort you put in boys.

Gerry Quinn
300 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:01:45
It is said all of the time on here that TW is the first site that we turn to as Everton fans.

I certainly agree with that statement wholeheartedly as I too am one that goes straight to it first thing in the morning and when I get home from work (and during work!!! shhhhhh) to read the latest "feelings and gripes" amongst the vast "team of experts" that post on here.

That in itself says it all - where else is that opportunity?

An all round brilliant effort Michael and Lyndon - long live the TW family.

PS, Lyndon - if there are any areas that need updating let me know - if I can help, I'm now old enough and supposedly wise enough to do that without being totally, utterly and completely biased towards the Blues...

James Fearns
301 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:08:02
Fancy a laugh, then watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zkn6BxgKwaI

James Flynn
302 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:04:35
Knew EFC over the years, but came in full with Landon. At the time of his first loan, just googled anything LD and Everton; which is how I tripped over Toffeeweb. I don't do discussion boards because they deteriorate to 14-year old sensibilities so quickly and the point of discussion gets buried.

So I stayed with TW because of the intelligent, humorous way of the back and forth, the banter. And the way MK and LL ran the site (excepting MK choosing Chicago and wine-coolers).

That aside, all-in on Mr. Higgins' congrats. TW is as good as it gets. Not an easy thing full-time, let alone as an extra-curricula.

With that:
Dave Wilson and Ciaran McGlone - You need to be back in here gents. The discussion is less without you.

Eugene Ruane - I wish I could convert my clever thoughts into word as well as you. Wit, and the ability to convey it in words is a rare combination. I get over there for a game, I'll let you know. Pre-game beers, anyway.

Christine etal - Apologize for the etal. I learned more here reading Christine's and you other fellows' post on the Kings Dock and the general "State of Everton", than I would reading the Liverpool local papers. I just can't remember your names as I type, but great, informative stuff. Thank you and keep it coming.

Me and Jamie Crowley - The American Evertonians!

Eric Myles
303 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:37:46
Phil #263, I thought Doddy had stopped taken his meds and been put away in a padded cell and was now posting under the name of Martin Mason.
Lee Courtliff
304 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:47:11
Just read Ruanes 'masterpiece' of comedy. Hilarious.

Great job with the website. I read it every day.

Not many Blues where I live so this is the next best thing.

Personally, I think Marsh and Doddy are the best on here.

Whatever happened to Tunstead?

Jimmy Moonlight
305 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:34:52
Hardly ever post, but this is the first page I go to when I get up in the morning and probably visit at least 5 times a day.

I moved to Canada nearly 10 yrs ago from being a regular season ticket holder to relying on the internet and telly, I would be lost without the wide range of opinions, truths,rumours and comments this site provides, love the live forum on match days.

Nick Entwistle
306 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:31:42
Regards to people at the club reading these pages...

I posted an article back in 06 called What is Success? and was regards to how the CL has stopped any meaningful competition in the PL for teams outside the money. It continues to be true.

However, there was one reply that countered my post which though extremely well written was in my view an apologetic acceptance of said position for the club and tried convincing readers that success can be interpreted in many ways and that, hey ho, winning isn't everything. But if we just wait for a while longer buying players on a budget will make this team return to greatness.

It was, like I say, very well written and thought out, yet at the same time had the stench of PR and media training about it. My eye brows were raised higher as where the name of the sender would be the TW team had placed 'real name withheld'.

I've always thought that it came from the club. Maybe even Blue Bill.

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/06-07/comment/fans/9356-Entwistle.asp

Rory Slingo
307 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:24:55
I can't imagine what I'd do with my day if TW ever was lost. My web browser is always open and the first tab is always TW so I can refresh it constantly throughout the day from the time I wake up till it's time for bed. It's been my homepage for years now. What would I waste half the day doing if the mailbag wasn't around anymore?

The contributors here are really second to none. Others might knock the site calling it biased or negative or whatever. Fuck 'em. This isn't some namby-pamby, luvvy, care-bear forum.

Well done Michael and Lyndon for keeping it together. If there's ever anything I can do to help with the site maintenance, coding, upgrading or tools to make your admin jobs easier, I'd be glad to volunteer my free time. Just give us a shout.

Andy Crooks
308 Posted 28/02/2013 at 01:32:17
Thanks, Lyndon, for providing a link to Eugene's piece. Just another example of how good this site is. It's like having access to the best local in the world. The line "It looks like the rain is easin' a wee bit" is comic genius.
Roman Sidey
313 Posted 28/02/2013 at 02:48:58
I liked the line about not asking for crisps to avoid disappointment.
Roman Sidey
314 Posted 28/02/2013 at 03:01:52
Nick, that article you wrote in 06 was very good, but precedes my time on Toffeeweb, so I never got to see it. That response you mention is hard to imagine coming from none other than the Everton club officials themselves. Articulate? Yes. Convincing/true/consistent? No way.

What I'm also interested in, Nick, is what frame of mind were you in then compared to now? Now, you seem like a well reasoned fan who supports Moyes more than most of us on this site (though without the blinders on like others we all know and love). At the start of that article you did not seem convinced on the man, and, being six months out of a pretty bad season, maybe weren't his biggest fan?

Other things you said, although correct at the time, have turned a very unexpected corner, and it's very interesting to look at an article like that as a time capsule of how things were just 6-7 years ago compared to how they've changed to what we have today. I think had you asked anyone back then, it looked like the Sky 4 were going to be up there for the next 20 years. Now one of them is almost a distant memory, and the other is fighting with two local rivals in a fight it is probably going to lose. Who woulda thunk it?

That is one of the good things about Toffeeweb. The archives give us the opportunity to revise, or just dig up dirt on other posters and use their old posts as sticks to beat them with.

James Morgan
342 Posted 28/02/2013 at 08:13:11
The first and last site I visit every day.
Keep up the good work guys, we'd be lost without this place!
There are some great debates on here, the Marsh/Rathbone/Ramejkis contingent against the likes of Mason/Dodd/Allaker are always a good read.

I have to agree with most here, Eugene is worth his weight in comic gold. For some reason I imagine him as 40 year old ginger Irishman wearing a Family Guy t shirt and always cracking jokes. Sorry pal, I'm probably miles out, but that's just my mental image! Haha.

Sam Morrison
344 Posted 28/02/2013 at 09:30:42
Long time reader, occasional contributor, joining the band of one-eyed pirates. Though TW can drive me up the wall I would seriously miss it if it went, so thanks to Michael and Lyndon.
Derek Thomas
350 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:39:50
Doddy: post and be damned; Our good start is all down to you and your Christmas in August theory and our fall away is all down to Boys Pen Billy.

If they can let the ' all seeing eye ' mit der dividers und set square run and run on a thread they can find room for you. I mean they let me on ( well done btw MK for restricting my excesses) so say no more

John Ford
353 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:58:05
Noone puts Doddy in a corner.
Brian Waring
355 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:58:48
A proper Everton fans site.
Nick Entwistle
356 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:18:49
Hi Roman, thanks - some interesting questions you put forth.

My thoughts on Moyes at the time were that he was the right man for the club, and as is still the case, delivering short on his potential.

I think we discussed this before and I've said that 90% of Moyes is a better bet than 100% of someone else because I truly believe that he is a top draw manager.

I do though remember posting once that if Moyes continues to fall short of top 4 (he had he 11th place season around that time) then we should look to replace, because the players we were beginning to accrue were themselves top talent and we needed to utilise them while they were still happy to be at the club.

However, this was at a time when we did have a proper transfer kitty, yet before Moyes had another crack of the whip with funds, they dried up.

The top players (Arteta, Pienaar, Lescott, Yobo) did remain at the club for a while longer because Moyes was still able to finish very high up the league. But as for pushing on (as noted in my article A Brief History of Failed Expectations) with player investment he has, up to this very day, still delivered the goods without it but short of the CL where these players went to be.

So from my point of view being best of the rest yet retaining that potential to hit the top 4 without money, is the reason why I've always supported him.

You become a better manager the more years you put in, and the better Moyes has become, the backing by the board has unfortunately fallen away.

Yes, its 6th and 7th each season, and the team have a bizarre tendency to defend deep late in games and all the rest of it. But it cannot be denied, whether you believe the difference between 6th or 7th and hitting 4th is about money, that the teams above us, and the one directly below are the ones who have the real money. Everyone else is below.

Interesting fact here. Excluding the two seasons we finished 17th and 11th, the only clubs ever finish higher than Everton in the league are the ones with money we see today. Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool. And one more, and only once - Villa (when Randy was spending big).

So that is, bar those two seasons, no club outside of the money has ever beaten Everton. Despite, and I say this often, nothing spent this window past, zero net for the previous two, and not one first team purchase for the previous 4 to that.

I don't think people see what we've got here. It is said Evertonians do not do banners or protests - and how the board run this club is a failed operation. Yet he is castigated for being the one team, and only team, that finishes directly behind, sometimes in front, of those with money.

You can have money and do badly, but to have no money and do well in the league is the sole reserve of Everton who are a paucity of player investment away from touching top 4 football. Dour defensive divering Davey? Sometimes. Someone who gives us hopes for Champions League football? Always. But many see those hopes and confuse them for demands, and nothing is demanded of the board.

But hey, he can't flog the dead horse forever, he has a career where the rest of us are stuck with Everton. If he goes in the summer, we move on to a new manager. Unless its a top draw appointment (never sure why people think we need some young up and comer) I'd be surprised to see them replicate Moyes' league finishes.

Everton do not finish where they do on their name, on transfer budget, on history, or the club motto. They finish where they do because the manager has us do.

Sam Morrison
362 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:16:08
Good post Nick.
Rob Sawyer
366 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:33:59
Toffeeweb and BBC.co.uk are the two sites I check first every day. Lyndon and Michael - thanks for your hard work and long may TW continue.
Mike Manchester
370 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:47:04
Love the site, visit multiple times every day. Particular praise to Nick Entwistle, and Sam Hoare, Who always provide a voice of reason (and normally mirror my own view) in what is quite often an ocean of negativity. IMWT COYB.
Kev Johnson
372 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:40:42
Excellent TW work by Michael and Lyndon - thanks, guys. For Everton fans like me who don't live in Liverpool any more, its a godsend. Here in Sunny Kent, there is a distinct shortage of people who want to discuss The Mighty Blues in great detail, but this site is jam-packed with nutters who just can't get enough of it!

I think the word "community" is horribly misused, but the notion of a "TW community" does actually mean something to me. It's a heartening thought that - despite our many obvious differences - we are united in wanting Everton to do well. When the team score a goal, I would happily hug anyone on this site! [This Manly Hug Voucher is redeemable the next time we hit the back of the net. Conditions apply.]

MK & LL: here's an idea... How about regular contributors having a short profile that you could access? I'm thinking of something that summarises their basic opinions on the club/team. It's just that I get a bit frustrated repeating myself and explaining my point of view from scratch on every thread, reinventing the wheel, so I suppose others might feel the same. It's probably not workable, but I just thought I'd float the idea...

Matt Butlin
376 Posted 28/02/2013 at 12:25:03
Just echo the thoughts and comments of everyone else here. ToffeeWeb is with me where ever I go thanks to phones that were designed in California and assembled in China.


Nothing beats being logged in on transfer deadline day, collectively laughing at the Stoke fans crowded behind the pissed off Sky Sports presenter...

David S Shaw
394 Posted 28/02/2013 at 14:13:47
Toffeeweb is the best website that I know of for Everton. Ironically it's teamed up with the worst-Grandoldteam.
Ian Allaker
424 Posted 28/02/2013 at 17:03:10
Since I banned myself off facebook, toffeeweb is the site I spend the majority of time reading, but its more addictive than facebook, its far more interesting and people seem to be border line stalkers on facebook finding out all your business.

Sometimes I think I might need counselling though like Marvin Sordell at Bolton because of the obsession with social networking sites. Have a read of this for a good laugh.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4731669/Bolton-ace-Marvin-Sordell-addicted-to-Twitter.html

I enjoy a good discussion and the occasional argument on here, as long as people don’t start making stuff up or talking hypothetically about things that havnt happened to suit their own argument. If we don’t have people from both sides of the spectrum then we wont have a balanced discussion but making stuff up should be banned.

What good does it do the club and its future if we are not being honest and giving the proper facts. Perhaps people think that if Moyes is hounded out the club it will be worth a few white lies as it will be in the best interests of Everton in the long run, but that cant be right surely? It needs to be done the right way.

For me the worst is when people just comment to take the piss but don’t actually contribute and give their own opinion or an alternative argument. I wouldn’t mind if they were funny but most arnt.

People like Sam Hoare, Tony J, Nick Entwistle, John Ford and a few others give me some hope that there are some reasonable minded fans out there. I did enjoy reading Dave Wilsons posts but I think he got banned along with Tunstead about a year ago.

Doddy and Marsh have become caricatures because they are both so biased and extreme from each side of the argument, I cant take either of them seriously but they both make me laugh at least.

Anyway, thanks for the time put into the site LL and MK

Roman Sidey
444 Posted 28/02/2013 at 17:36:02
Kev, what you reckon of a 0-7 scale next to our name like an acid test. 0 being staunch IMWT and 7 being MOB? I'd be a 7, but I reckon there'd be a lot of 3s and 4s.
John Keating
449 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:20:13
Michael, Lyndon, well done guys. All your hard work is greatly appreciated. Without doubt, not only some great posts on here but some great laughs!

It would be nice if Richard came back inside after his self imposed exile as some of the banter was cracking. Certainly after he left and was relieved by Martin Mason, debate became more heated and not as much fun.

Haven't seen Martin for a while... unless he's changed his name to Ian? Come back, Richard – all is forgiven!

Kev Johnson
451 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:22:03
Ha-ha! Maybe something like that, Roman. I reckon I'd be a 4 or a 5. A few years ago I'd have been a 3.

There would have to be a few issues like that. Maybe five or six. A Kenwrightometer would probably find me at 2 or 3 - not because I'm fond of him, I'm not, but because I don't really care about that end of things. I know many people do. Fair play to them.

I'd give myself a 6 on the Nevilleometer. That's where 1 = great player. On the subject of our red neighbours, I'm on the pacifist end of the spectrum, having loads of misguided friends and family who follow them. Favourite EFC player of the last 20 years? Baines. Most over-rated player: Ferguson. My TW pet hate is.... dogged bores. (Say no more.)

There you go, I'm already building up a profile. I don't know, it might just work...

Tony McNulty
453 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:31:19
A day without Toffeeweb would be a highly unusual one for many of us. I echo others in saying thanks to the lads for the time, energy and effort.

People on here tend to tell it how they see it, which makes a change from the Pravda-style views presented elsewhere. It is often surprising how others interpret facts and events in so many different ways.

The live feed can be a lot of fun when watching a game: reminds me of when I first used to go to the match. You would never know what sort of opinions and humour you would experience.

Denis Richardson
455 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:43:24
Fantastic / great site LL & MK, hat's off to both of ya – must admit that its the only Everton website I regularly visit (and that includes the OS!).

Cannot remember when I first joined, 2005 I think – hopefully the site will be around for many many years later, especially to celebrate a new owner – whenever that ends up being. Bottle of sparkly's gathered a lot of dust waiting for that day so far!

Are you two really based in the US? I would have thought you lived a stones throw away from GP!

Ray Roche
456 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:39:28
A brief note to add my thanks and gratitude to LL and MK for giving us all this vehicle on which to express our opinions. Some excellent contributors from every ones ray of sunshine, Tony Marsh , to the lads who log on every match day in the far off corners of the Globe. And Wales.

I've only ever posted one article, Things I Hate, on the day before the last Derby. I was very impressed by the sheer number of fellow Victor Melldrews who added their own pet hates (apart from the RS) on such a wide variety of topics from old people wearing hats when driving to Davina McCall. Shows what a diverse shower we are.

Tony Marsh
458 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:48:47
Ian @ 424...

Maybe I do make you laugh but, let me tell you, I don't find what's been happening at Everton the past 10 years one bit funny. Unlike many Everton fans, I am not content for us to just survive and be thankful for small mercies, ie, Moyes. As this wanker chairman and his lapdogs roll from one farcical disaster to another, as the football becomes even more unbareable to watch, you and others like you say things like...

Well, we're in the top six and we would be relegated with out DM in charge. AAAARRRGGHH!!!

This is why a Gobshite like Bill Kenwright survives here without any money or any clue how to run a football club. Moyes and Kenwright go hand-in-hand and one is as culpable for the mess the club is in as the other. Go on — lap this shit up and deny yourself a harsh dose of reality. We've got the most inept chairman and the most over-rated boring manager in the Premier League and we play the most awful soul-destroying brand of football in the country and you love it...

FFS – and you say I make you laugh?

Darragh Farrell
460 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:46:40
After opening my gmail, this is the first site I go to every morning. I don't post, but love the wit and banter, and keeping up to date with all the latest EFC news.

I'm based in Kenya at the moment, so can't get to the matches, but always follow the matchday forum on here. I always read Eugene Ruane's and Tony Marsh's comments, they sum up for me how I feel as an Evertonian, but also with a laugh and cleverness, which I also think is part of the "Evertonians are born.." character that a lot of us share.

To MK and LL, great job, this site means a huge amount to many people, and not just those posting on it but to many others who spend time quietly on it each and every day.

Eugene Ruane
464 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:58:19
I particularly like the views of anyone who agrees with me, those people seem very clever. My only problem is you do get some stupid people – they're the ones who have a different point of view to me and use facts and stuff. They're not funny or clever or positive.

Great site lads!!

John Crawley
467 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:23:14
Yes thanks Lyndon & Michael, this is by far the best Everton based web site out there and the one that I read and participate in the most. Lots of interesting debates and discussions, even if they can get a bit heated some times. Still that's a good thing because it shows that we are all passionate about the mighty blues!
Karl Masters
470 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:18:32
Hats off to LL & MK for the site and all the effort that goes into it.

I'd be a liar if I said I like everything I see on here or that I agree with much of what is written, but the fact a platform exists for all the views is one nobody should underestimate.

Re- Nick Entwistle's earlier point about suspecting he got a reply from an incognito Club official, I think I once had an arguement on here with a woman who now contributes to the Matchday programme (her name is fairly unusual and appears in the credits on Page 3 every edition) and I am sure that people from the Club must read it.

With that in mind, a certain logic says that not only Club Officials or BK, but some of the players and even Mr Moyes must dip their toes in occasionally. Therefore, people that post four letter abuse about players and coaches should maybe ask themselves if that is really the best way to communicate or to get their voice heard? If you were in their shoes, would you listen to that or just ignore it?

Mr Tony Marsh often makes some very valid observations, but his aggressive way of putting them across means the points are often overlooked. (That said, it does make him amusing, but does Tony want to amuse fellow fans with his comments or send a message to the Club? I suspect he'd rather do the latter.) Just saying like.....

Gerry Quinn
473 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:18:34
Does anyone on here, like me, wish that there were faces to the TW characters? When active on the Live Forum, I see those names crop up and often wonder:

a) What kind of face Tony Marsh is pulling when he composes his love of everything blue?
b) Does Jimmy Sorheim have a "Royston Drenthe" desktop background or screensaver?
c) What Doddy actually looks like when growling over his keyboard to attack an argumentative and abusive ToffeeWebber (if there ever would be one, that is!)
d) What size Ken Buckley's seat actually is whilst perching his laptop on his knobbly(?) knees holding down the Shift Key with his left hand forefinger and whacking the letter keys with his right hand forefinger in between jumping up and down when we shoot!
e) Michael K's face on typing a Newsflash avidly reporting on Moysie signing another 5-year contract – together with a reputed 25% pay rise!!!
f) All of your cute little TW faces when Everton WIN THE CUP, thrashing Citeeh in the process (with Moysie grabbing the ball off Mancini whilst Big Dunc head-butts him)

I bet there's some real ugly bastards out there – I'll own up to being one!

Colin Glassar
474 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:39:14
I think the site is great but I wish it was a bit more user friendly like being able to keep track of your posts and being able to answer people directly instead do saying, "at #435" for example. It would make the discussions be even more dynamic but, great job all the same.
Eugene Ruane
481 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:37:25
Karl (470) - Imo opinion what Tony Marsh often conveys (very well in my opinion) is frustration and anger. Two human emotions JUST as legitimate as happiness and joy.

Seriously, if you're angry, why not sound angry? You say "Therefore, people that post four-letter abuse about players and coaches should maybe ask themselves if that is really the best way to communicate or to get their voice heard".

Well there's nothing to say ANYONE is listening, but if they are, I would prefer those people to think "Shit, they are absolutely FUMING!" rather than "I think they're a bit peeved, but basically the posts look like they've been written by Private Godfrey so I wouldn't worry".

Trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people rarely gets you anywhere.

Sam Hoare
482 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:46:20
This website is great for lively debate on all subjects Everton. It is however terrible for my productivity levels and relationship duties.

I dread to think of the hours I've spent on here but would not lose a single one.

Plenty of intelligent comment mixed with emotion sated over-reactions. Good work all.

Simon Harris
486 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:46:33
Like others, it's the only Everton site I frequent

My TW addiction started in earnest during the mobile browsing revolution. I loved the usability and simple but effective design that allowed me to have my first rant about Kenwright (from the toilet if I chose) and since then I've learnt, shouted, laughed, admired and generally enjoyed the comments and it's posters opinions.

Yes, like most things, im sure the site could be tweaked and improved slightly, but a big thanks to LL & MK for the only EFC site that matters.

Ste Traverse
496 Posted 28/02/2013 at 20:55:51
Toffeeweb? To use a local expression, it's "boss".

Easily the best Everton related site on the internet. Long may it reign.

Tony I'Anson
498 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:07:56
I think ToffeeWeb is a good website because lots of Everton fans read it. And it's a good name as well.
Nick Entwistle
501 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:08:33
Gerry, I don't want anyone knowing my face. Found myself sat next to an Evertonian at a wedding last summer with my place name on full view. Only when I said I follow Everton too did I think - Shit! What if he knows all about my posts?

The only other Everton follower I know in London is a bloke who turns up at the same pub as me sometimes... once I said Anichebe's playing fair and quick as anything he said Anichebe's fucking shite. I don't want him holding my posts over me.

If I could do it all again I'd probably use a false name, so what does that say about my belief in what I write?

Colin Wainwright
504 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:33:52
The "Frown and Scowl". Fuckin' brilliant. Sounds like the Eden Vale.
Paul Kelly
505 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:10:47
This will be the only time I'll be in total agreement with everyone on here. This site is the dogs bollocks.

I take my hat off to both MK and LL. Tremendous job you've done, and it's especially great to be part of this site because as Kev Johnson stated earlier (I'm a scouser living in Kent, and it's only sunny when we win) it gives us a chance to vent our spleen with fellow blues.

Been some great threads on here but the one that stands out was about something I can't remember but turned into Kev Johnson signing for the blues, being overweight, it was totally off topic and hilarious.

Long live the mob.

Kev Johnson
506 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:34:46
I know what you mean about a false name, Nick. I'd prefer to use a pseudonym, but when I signed up there was a polite request that I use my real name, so I did. I'm not really into giving out personal details on the Internet, as a general rule. But I suppose it means people are more likely to be themselves when they can't hide behind made-up names like "Gwladysman", or whatever.

More practically, though, it is confusing remembering who's who. For instance, there are a lot of Kevs and Kevins on here! I'm against having pics. I'm startlingly handsome and I might take against ugly fellow blues, which might – further down the line – cause needless slaughter.

Colin Wainwright
509 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:45:46
Simon @ 486. Every time I'm on the bog, I'm reminded of Kenwright. Great site BTW. The best by a mile.
Steven Sturm
517 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:56:25
I've always appreciated the clean look of the ToffeeWeb format. Adding pics and signatures to the postings and replies would not be my preference. It might be fun though to have a separate section where members could post a pic / bio / rating on the MOB vs IMWT scale etc... all voluntary of course. Then you could go have a look at the bastard that just made that ridiculous comment.
Nick Entwistle
519 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:21:58
ToffeeWeb dating perhaps? Then again Christine may be busy enough as it is.
Mike Gaynes
521 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:27:01
Congrats TW on this auspicious anniversary. I drink a toast to you all. Individually. Should take me about two weeks.

Lyndon, is it true you and Michael are US-based?

Kevin Tully
522 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:25:45
Never really felt the need to plaster photo's of my nights out or holidays all over t'internet.

Going to start a campaign for "keep Toffeeweb for the auld arses"

Colin Fitzpatrick
525 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:26:37
Have to say Eugene is a brilliant poster, some of his observations are pure genius. Many others make great contributions that I'm certain we're all grateful for. Don't know how Michael and Lyndon find the time but glad that they do as TW is a great resource; a veritable Evertonian institution.
Si Cooper
527 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:36:27
I am fairly late to the party (not unusual) but absolutely hooked for the last year or so. The site just confirmed my view that Evertonians are a cut above no matter how far-flung they may be. Thanks to LL, MK and all the 'entertainers'.

Grew up in a household where speaking your mind and standing your ground were the norm so I love the fact that ToffeeWeb has that 'straight-forward' vibe (assuming that the similarity extends to the fact that there is absolutely no malice intended and everyone understands that we are a family of a sort).

I really appreciate the passion, wit, camaraderie and knowledge that is displayed on a daily basis (I just hope that my contributions add something too) and I don't get the people who 'don't get' ToffeeWeb.

I see myself as a 3 or 4 on the 'Moyesiah / MogaDave' scale, generally appreciative of his stewardship but very frustrated with seemingly over-cautious approach at times.

Great to see Doddy is back and looking forward to the next installments from all the black sheep in our flock.

Phil Rodgers
530 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:38:55
Best website in the world. Please don't ever stop. Living in Rotherham I rarely get to games but I absolutely love the match day forum. Great place to vent frustrations and just have a laugh. During Bolton game when people were just talking about tv shows they like cos there was no links was a highlight for me.

Tony Marsh you are quality. Wear your heart on your sleeve mate.
Si Cooper
531 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:52:09
I am convinced that DM is an avid reader of ToffeeWeb...... and that he does things just to spite us!
Peter Mills
536 Posted 28/02/2013 at 23:33:28
Thanks Michael and Lyndon.
Gary Poole
546 Posted 01/03/2013 at 00:00:56
Hi All

I've been reading Toffeeweb for about 2 years, although have only posted very occasionally. I'm 52 and have thus experienced the "great times". My first memory of Goodison Park was being taken by my Dad in the 60's and seeing the tangerine of Blackpool. I moved away from Liverpool in the late 80's so was lucky to see some great footy and success in between. I now live in South Wales and only get to Goodison about once a year.

If I'm honest I find a lot of Toffeewb depressingly negative (I'm absolutely a supporter of Moyes and the team), and I get intensely irritated by many of the posts.

Nevertheless I'm drawn to the site daily, although a bad result will mean that I won't log on for a couple of days, simply because I can't stand the bile and personal abuse that is thrown at Moyes. Mind you, if we lose, I won't watch any footy either for a couple of days.

Despite the fact that I feel that the general consensus on the site is overly critical, and unnecessarily abusive to Moyes (imo a dignified, diplomatic and immensely loyal individual), I am nevertheless drawn to the site daily. That is, I think, a testament to the great work that MK & LL do. Like a lot of other contributors, I think that the other efc blogs are simply rubbish (bland and lacking in any kind of debate).

i too thought Moyes on holiday in Scotland was comedy gold.

Thanks for a stimulating and provocative read,

COYB!!!!

Marcus Choo
555 Posted 01/03/2013 at 03:31:42
I sometimes wonder what it would be like to meet another Everton fan and ask "Say, you heard of ToffeeWeb?". If he answers Yes, we'd probably have as much to talk about TW as with Everton proper... !
Roman Sidey
557 Posted 01/03/2013 at 04:04:25
Paul Kelly, I disagree. Haha. Joke.

The only thing I'd enjoy seeing next to people's name is their location and whether their MOB or IMWT or Boring.

Roman Sidey
Toronto
MOB

Christine Foster
560 Posted 01/03/2013 at 05:38:36
Colin, the Eden Vale Netherton? I was brought up on Peterborough Drive around the corner from Marion Square, long time ago when we was fab..

Nick, toffee web dating?. Lord help us, I think the profile would read

Sex: only when Everton win.
Interests: Everton FC, drink and sex ( dependent on the first)
Attractive: improves with points one and two above
Finances: juggling money to pay the bank
Looking for: a rare breed of individual, an Evertonian with a pulse

I think your right though Nick, I am slightly outnumbered I would really love to see other women commenting on the site.

I remember when I first posted, I was taken back by some of the abuse I got, but advice from M&L convinced me not to give up. I am glad I didn't, TW has some great discussions, some infuriating wind up merchants and then some passionate genuine and concerned fans. I have no doubt the management of the club do read the site and reacts to it, it is perhaps the closest perspective to what's going on at our club, a few thousand heads analysis an issue rarely gets it completely wrong.

Long may it continue!


Derek Thomas
565 Posted 01/03/2013 at 07:26:44
Christine #560 you're one of the lads, one of the chaps (albeit a chapess) and talk a lot more sense than some.

Nick #356; you say (creases me up, Eugene) We finish where we are because of Moyes....

Ex-'kin-actly, a less cautious approach might have us higher... after all we have the best squad since (fill in year of your choice).

But hey, be careful what I wish for coz the next guy (if you listen to some) is nailed on to get us relegated... (or not, if you listen to others).

Me, I've done my dash with Moyes... change for change sake.

Oi, you, Bill... Money for God's sake!

Oh yeah, back on topic... ToffeeWeb's (to quote Jim Bowen) super, smashing, magic... Look what you COULD'VE won.

Gavin Ramejkis
568 Posted 01/03/2013 at 08:09:13
Best fan site by a country mile, some great contributions with knowledge and insight you really don't get anywhere else allowing simple supporters without access to the corridors of power some very pertinent information.

Eugene for his classic humour, you can picture the guy holding court in a pub to a captive audience. What's also just as important though is the platform for all views, even if they drive you insane — all points of the compass are represented.

Long live the king.

Andy Duff
593 Posted 01/03/2013 at 10:38:54
Mirror everything already said; first Everton thing I read every day. Long may it continue.
Tony J Williams
619 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:36:27
You are all a gang of twats....but you're Blue twats, so you'll do for me!
Dave Lynch
624 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:43:56
Tony @ 619.

That's the nicest thing youv'e ever said to me. I'm filling up.

Dave Lynch
625 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:47:41
Christine @ 560.
Our kid married a girl who lived in Peterborough Drive. Sylvia Campbell.
Ring any bells ?
Christine Foster
628 Posted 01/03/2013 at 13:00:08
Dave, the Campbells used to live at no 18 I think, reason I remember was my nan was a Campbell but not sure if any relation though, but no memories of Sylvia sorry probably went to St Oswalds as I went to Our Lady of Walsingham
Dave Lynch
630 Posted 01/03/2013 at 13:09:19
Spot on Christine.
Her Sisters nam is Roma and has 2 brothers Roy and Graham.
Matt Traynor
638 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:33:03
Been using this site forever.
Remind me - it used to be list-based didn't it (well, in the ToffeeNet days)? Also, is MK known as Kermit? I recall an author, famous around the Netley, sending drafts of her interviews with former players and managers, and made a disparaging comment of "Kermit's" comments about her draft in a private message to another user. Except she sent it to the list. So we all waited until daylight dawned in the USA to see the reaction...

I'm amazed how well known TW is when you meet Blues. Of course some say they prefer BlueKipper as ToffeeWeb is "too negative". You then point out that most of the content is user-generated, therefore a reflection of what real fans are thinking, and they are stumped for an argument.

I'm glad that TW never became a club mouthpiece like BK did (hmmmmm). I don't visit BK/Kipper anymore. Mainly due to the auto-running filler content they put in - which was fine until the auto-mute function was disabled. But I also don't like their blatant censorship of non-party line viewpoints.

The only highlight these days is seeing the illiterati on there trying to make sense of a Mickey Blue Eyes post.

Tony J Williams
641 Posted 01/03/2013 at 13:50:02
Haven't been on Blue Kipper for a looooong time.

Used to love the My Auld Fella Shouts.....that's it!

Jim Lloyd
685 Posted 01/03/2013 at 20:16:35
I'd just like to add my thanks to MK and LL. I really only started reading ToffeeWeb during, for me, some of the darkest days of being an Evertonian — and I know we've had a few. I remember posting a contribution on Bluekipper when the news came out the club were thinking of moving to Kirkby. There didn't seem to be any real debate and then I found ToffeeWeb!

So many great posts which, to me, showed up BK for what he is and what he was trying to achieve. I just thought it would have killed our club and what came out was an insight on what was going on in and around the Board.

Many Thanks for serving the fans with a fantastic site, thanks to Tony for his may heartfelt posts, put in the best Shakesperian prose I've seen in many a long day, and to Eugene... for, just being Eugene and bringing us laughs in such a witty way.

To all the Blues who contribute to this fantastic site... even the ones who can stand BK!
Tony I'Anson
714 Posted 01/03/2013 at 21:59:34
Hey Christine, the Marion Square:- Sans chippy, the Kiosk, Martins the newsagent, Vernons ironmongery, fruit &veg shop. And the Eden Vale, where no one dare cross the picket line in the early 80's when they put 5p on a pint.
Keith Edmunds
727 Posted 01/03/2013 at 22:49:27
Brought up in Leonard Cheshire Drive before moving to Waterside early sixties. Is that wierd statue still in Marion Square?
Callum Wilson
731 Posted 01/03/2013 at 23:28:55
I have to echo a lot of the sentiments already expressed above and add my gratitude to MK and LL for creating and maintaining such a cracking site. ToffeeWeb is about as unbiased as a fan website could possibly be and the contrast in views I think show the splits across the fanbase as a whole better than any other in regards to things like the Kirkby debate and countless others.

The website has a much more grown-up feel to it than the others, I think the use of real names and the inclusion of surnames builds towards that. I just wanted to say thanks guys and long may it continue. Also, without some of the characters on here, it wouldn't be what it is either, some of the comments have been hilarious and had me in stitches. Keep up the good work! Viva la ToffeeWeb.

Jamie Crowley
737 Posted 02/03/2013 at 00:32:11
It's my fucking home page FFS...

Best site frankly I've ever been to.

Eugene, Gavin, Christine, Andy Crooks, Matt Traynor, and yes.... Tony Marsh and his alter ego, counterbalancing ying and yang Richard Dodd. Plus a ton of others - Barry Rathbone, Paul Ferry, on and on and on you can go. Honestly - just magic.

if this site were sold I'd fucking cry. What else does a 43 year old father of 5 boys do with his time?

Errrr.... read TW of course!

Jamie Crowley
The "other" American red-headed beaten stepchild EFC done got me I'm addicted fuckit "fan"

I am quite serious - I love this site to death and the myriad of opinions, personalities, temperaments, etc it brings. Fantastic!

Oh, and my fav post ever was when we signed Kev Johnson....

Kev Johnson
739 Posted 02/03/2013 at 01:02:17
Yeah, that was a bit of a highlight for me as well, Jamie!

Christine Foster
757 Posted 02/03/2013 at 06:50:23
Hey Tony, how about the Holy ghost Annexe, my first school next to the cinder path on the golf course, or the big hill were you had bonfire nights on especially 1963, or the 28, 57 and 56 bus stops, St Benets, the village green, the old post office, the swing bridge and later on, St Bennets social club, the most drunk I have ever been in my life, I still shudder.

The Cabbage, the orchard opposite, the walk through fields to sexton church.

Shops? The co op where you could lean on the big plate windows to knock down the displays, the kiosk was by the chippy opposite the Eden Vale wasn't it? Warwick Bolam school, so many memories, still have family in Louis Pastuer ave, ..

Ged Simpson
802 Posted 02/03/2013 at 10:14:12
Brill site and one that allows the deadly serious, the angry, the diplomatic, the wind-up merchants, the comics, the flippant, the rich, the poor, the old, the young and all in between to start a thread in a considered manner and by the end tell each other they are knob heads !

I've seen alliances formed on this site, sulks last weeks and weeks, smart people dig a hole and keep digging, abuse, forgiveness and an occasional Red get us all in a fury.

My dream - to see all of us meet in one room and enjoy the shock at how different people are in real life compared to their TW personas.

I heard the great Tony M is actually a ballet dancer but may be wrong.

Colin Wainwright
814 Posted 02/03/2013 at 11:54:18
Aye, that Eden Vale, Christine. I was born and brought up in Netherton myself, just off the square in St Oswalds Lane. Spent many a drunken hour in the Vale, the Cabbage and The Benets.

It's still just as rough.

John Gant
844 Posted 02/03/2013 at 14:24:07
Bang up job, Micheal and Lyndon.
Tony I'Anson
845 Posted 02/03/2013 at 14:30:02
Christine, you paint a picture of a leafy suburb in north Liverpool, located just a couple of miles from the pictureque Mersey estuary, with neighbouring locations such as Blundellsands, Ince Blundell and Little Crosby. A hinterland of close knit communities that support traditional local retailers and the ye olde worlde village pubs. I can picture locals sitting outside on a summer's evening, overlooking the well-kept orchard and innocent children playing on the village green, frequently asking loving couples for a penny to get some sweets from the local Kiosk (yes, still opposite the Vale). Netherton, Merseyside's best kept secret, a place where children are free to roam safely down country lanes and across fields to quaint Church hamlets, and return home before dark in time for tea.

Yes, that's how I remember it too. Can I ask, are you an estate agent per chance?

Paul Johnson
850 Posted 02/03/2013 at 15:34:44
This site keeps me so close to home. I live in Nairobi and I would guess I spend 2 hours a day on the site.

Si Cooper is right in as much we were brought up to have an opinion and that is what the game is about – opinions. The Moyes brigade totally piss me off because we are Everton FC not Moyes United and when he goes we will survive.

However, I respect their right to have an opinion even though I think it is a load of bollocks.
Gary Poole on the contrary I don't find it negative, what I see are opinions of different generations of blues. Some have seen success, some haven't, so you are bound to get varying views. If we all felt the same way it would be boring as shit.

Lyndon, Michael thanks for being such a big part of my life,

Christine Foster
851 Posted 02/03/2013 at 15:42:55
Ha ha Tony, god forbid an estate agent! But for me, a kid from Scotland road, that's exactly what Netherton was, before houses were built the other side of the canal bridge, we're we used to pick potatoes or peas for the farm there for a shilling a sack! the days fishing for sticklebacks and all the barges with coal.

4 Peterborough drive was a paradise .. That's how I saw it too.

Colin, it still has a great community even though a lot has changed, it went through some rough times but I still love to go back. Rose tinted glasses? No I just think it was a little gem then.

Colin Wainwright
860 Posted 02/03/2013 at 17:03:56
I know Christine, I wouldn't have it any other way tbh. Love the place and my family are still there. I remember coming back from Sevvo church, across the farmers fields and robbing spuds and the odd cauliflower for the sunday dinner. That was when farmers actually grew stuff! Me ma was made up.

We were forever swimming in the "cut" (canal) in summer. Don't think they do that now. There was the odd dead cat floating past then. Peterborough Drive was just round the corner from me btw.

Colin Wainwright
871 Posted 02/03/2013 at 17:20:07
Just to add, Tony's right. Although it was a rough arse council estate in north Liverpool, it was on the edge of something special. The countryside. It was a great place to be a kid in the 70's/80's because you were never far away from peace and quiet/adventure. I love Netherton because it's a little secret that you only know if you've lived there.

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