Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
ToffeeWeb
I’ve now been a member of ToffeeWeb for at least 8/9 years — I cant quite remember — and I have to say unlike the team the quality of the web site just gets better as the years progress and the opinions and views of most contributors are as rich and varied as they have ever been. The basis of a decent fan site like ToffeeWeb is of course those who make contributions and I have always found something worth reading somewhere on the site.
I find it difficult to construct really decent prose – and I often read some of the postings with a serious amount of admiration – the time and effort some people put into establishing their opinions and then justifying these thoughts with sound fact (or fiction!) is quite impressive. I remember some of the contributions during the Destination Kirkby episode the fact, stats and views identified and produced by the fan base was truly inspiring!
Of course, if Michael and Lyndon were to hold a virtual award ceremony for the previous 10 years of Toffeeweb you would have to be giving prizes to the likes of Ken Buckley, Paul Trail, Richard Dodd and of course the legend that is Tony Marsh (I fucking love Tony’s posts — whether I’m in agreement of disagreement he always makes me laugh).
The reason for this post is two-fold. Firstly I’d like to address the contributors with the following questions: who are your favourite contributors and why? What discussion point over the last 10 years on ToffeeWeb have you found the most engaging/enlightening or something you felt most passionate about? How important is the website to you — put simply how would you feel if Michael shut it down tomorrow never to return?!
Secondly I’d like to ask Michael and Lyndon – it's really points of interest – how much of your time in a week does ToffeeWeb take up? Do you both meet up regularly and do you actually get along?! Are you based out of Liverpool and how much equipment does it take to support a website of this size? And finally how long do plan to do this? What happens if one day you both decide it's too much effort?!!
Anyway thanks for the last 10 years everyone. And here’s to a great run-in — top 6 and FA cup winners, that’ do me.
Sam Higgins, Posted 26/02/2013 at 13:28:06
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241 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:00:32
244 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:07:43
Editorial Team
256 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:16:44
We've been running the site, either in its previous incarnation as the parallel ToffeeWeb.org and Evertonia.com sites or the current unified one, for 17 to 18 years now and though I'd be lying if I said the thought of jacking it in hasn't crossed the mind once or twice over that time, rest assured — though I risk speaking on Michael's behalf! — that we don't have any plans to call it a day any time soon.
The site is without a doubt time-intensive and, depending on the news flow and number of games in a week, can soak up many, many hours in posting stories, writing articles, managing submissions, comments, member accounts... we've made some rods for our backs over the years! :)
It could quite easily be a full-time job, actually, as there are lot of areas of the site that are out of date and need attention and, realistically, we probably need a like-minded, similarly masochistic person to help out on the news side at least.
The partnership works as-is, though, because MK and I are both committed to it and we've seen a lot of rival sites come and go over the years. A lot of people have this myopic view of TW as this rigid, single-minded entity but the reality is that MK and I don't always see eye to eye — be it the tone of the news or the pros and cons of one David Moyes, for example — and it would probably surprise our readers that I think we've only actually met in person twice and rarely need to communicate beyond text, email and IM!
In terms of equipment, we don't need much more than our personal computers, software like Adobe Photoshop and Dreamweaver and a web browser — the site is hosted by Media Temple so all the heavy-lifting happens there — but we've spent many years putting in place what drives the news and comment parts of the site so that it's as easy to run as possible.
How long do we plan on continuing...? Lord knows! It's such a fabric of my life that I can't envision not doing it but, again, it wouldn't be honest to say there aren't times when you just don't want to do it and it is a real chore, particularly when life away from EFC gets busy or people brutally denigrate the site for all sorts of reasons. On those days — I won't lie — you find it hard to justify the time you put into it!
But, in the absence of any real financial return, to know that there are tens and tens of thousands of people who visit your website and get something out of it — or, better yet, find it indispensable — is massively rewarding in itself. That is really what drives us on, I think; providing a useful resource for you the readers and contributors.
259 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:23:43
260 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:24:22
The site is great for finding out news and, although there are some proper numpties who post on here, I will continue to log on every day just in case we sign the next Messi or the next Beattie!
And always I pray for the day when the headlines read "Arab consortium takes over and pledges £500 million towards the stadium and playing squad".
263 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:40:24
265 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:38:12
There are some really insightful and articulate members of TW, who continue, to come up with the facts, to back up their arguments and statistics which, rightly or wrongly, shed light on our team's performances.
I think Eugene has got my vote for humour alone: never met the guy, but his posts are sensible and very funny.
Keep up the good work guys. COYB
266 Posted 27/02/2013 at 20:59:35
Trying to decipher the unmitigated garbage on forums like GOT, NSNO and KIPPER where virtually every post is just banality from youths approaching their first "asbo" you realise what a unique treasure this forum is.
Be lost without it.
267 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:44:30
Sam, I believe both Lyndon and Michael are US based.
Phil you've got me checking Ian Allakers posts now!
268 Posted 27/02/2013 at 21:47:29
270 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:00:24
Maybe Bill Kenwright should be made to log on a couple of times a week just to get glimpse of what's really going on in the thoughts of Everton supporters.
Maybe BK could make a token donation to TW to ease the burden on the lads. Oh, sorry, I forgot Bill is skint...
Nice job, Boys — thanks for your time and efforts keeping us in the loop.
274 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:01:37
I am sat here on the couch on my iPad and the missus just said "let me guess, ToffeeWeb", Its either that or porn but ToffeeWeb comes first! What dedication guys keep up the outstanding work so I can continue with my regular fix.
275 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:15:34
Bill also apparently told one fan on the ESCLA train a few years ago, apparently in reference to me, that "he writes well but he writes a lot of shit." I think we'll let history be the judge on that score...
277 Posted 27/02/2013 at 22:28:14
I have got to be honest, I log on to Toffeeweb before I open my mails of a morning, brilliant forum for blues all over the world.
283 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:00:24
284 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:00:53
285 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:04:53
286 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:02:19
We're luck to have it, many thanks LL & MK.
287 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:10:40
On another note FSW has had his usual rant "The fans are not helping us, at the end of the season I will leave. They don't have to worry about me.'' So there may be a job opportunity for DM although I'm not sure he'll want to live in the capital where prices are a little higher than Merseyside.
289 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:22:08
You what now, Richard? You're free to post any time you like, albeit under the same conditions as everyone else.
290 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:23:30
Echo all the good words about the site.
291 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:13:21
Me? My partner asks me what I am doing and I tell her I am reading porn, she responds that she knows I am reading ToffeeWeb.
Thanks be to all the contributors, I particularly enjoy Ken's reports, and when I am queuing outside the Blue Dragon often look at people and try to figure out if they are Ken.
But, not least, a really big thanks to Michael and Lyndon for what they do. As Kevin #277 says, first thing I do in the morning is log on here and first thing I do when I get back from the game is read how everyone else has reacted to what they have seen.
Thanks again guys and thanks for letting me contribute.
Ian
292 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:25:12
294 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:29:21
298 Posted 27/02/2013 at 23:57:48
299 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:02:09
Total and utter respect for the lads who run it. Many thanks for the time and effort you put in boys.
300 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:01:45
I certainly agree with that statement wholeheartedly as I too am one that goes straight to it first thing in the morning and when I get home from work (and during work!!! shhhhhh) to read the latest "feelings and gripes" amongst the vast "team of experts" that post on here.
That in itself says it all - where else is that opportunity?
An all round brilliant effort Michael and Lyndon - long live the TW family.
PS, Lyndon - if there are any areas that need updating let me know - if I can help, I'm now old enough and supposedly wise enough to do that without being totally, utterly and completely biased towards the Blues...
301 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:08:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zkn6BxgKwaI
302 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:04:35
So I stayed with TW because of the intelligent, humorous way of the back and forth, the banter. And the way MK and LL ran the site (excepting MK choosing Chicago and wine-coolers).
That aside, all-in on Mr. Higgins' congrats. TW is as good as it gets. Not an easy thing full-time, let alone as an extra-curricula.
With that:
Dave Wilson and Ciaran McGlone - You need to be back in here gents. The discussion is less without you.
Eugene Ruane - I wish I could convert my clever thoughts into word as well as you. Wit, and the ability to convey it in words is a rare combination. I get over there for a game, I'll let you know. Pre-game beers, anyway.
Christine etal - Apologize for the etal. I learned more here reading Christine's and you other fellows' post on the Kings Dock and the general "State of Everton", than I would reading the Liverpool local papers. I just can't remember your names as I type, but great, informative stuff. Thank you and keep it coming.
Me and Jamie Crowley - The American Evertonians!
303 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:37:46
304 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:47:11
Great job with the website. I read it every day.
Not many Blues where I live so this is the next best thing.
Personally, I think Marsh and Doddy are the best on here.
Whatever happened to Tunstead?
305 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:34:52
I moved to Canada nearly 10 yrs ago from being a regular season ticket holder to relying on the internet and telly, I would be lost without the wide range of opinions, truths,rumours and comments this site provides, love the live forum on match days.
306 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:31:42
I posted an article back in 06 called What is Success? and was regards to how the CL has stopped any meaningful competition in the PL for teams outside the money. It continues to be true.
However, there was one reply that countered my post which though extremely well written was in my view an apologetic acceptance of said position for the club and tried convincing readers that success can be interpreted in many ways and that, hey ho, winning isn't everything. But if we just wait for a while longer buying players on a budget will make this team return to greatness.
It was, like I say, very well written and thought out, yet at the same time had the stench of PR and media training about it. My eye brows were raised higher as where the name of the sender would be the TW team had placed 'real name withheld'.
I've always thought that it came from the club. Maybe even Blue Bill.
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/06-07/comment/fans/9356-Entwistle.asp
307 Posted 28/02/2013 at 00:24:55
The contributors here are really second to none. Others might knock the site calling it biased or negative or whatever. Fuck 'em. This isn't some namby-pamby, luvvy, care-bear forum.
Well done Michael and Lyndon for keeping it together. If there's ever anything I can do to help with the site maintenance, coding, upgrading or tools to make your admin jobs easier, I'd be glad to volunteer my free time. Just give us a shout.
308 Posted 28/02/2013 at 01:32:17
313 Posted 28/02/2013 at 02:48:58
314 Posted 28/02/2013 at 03:01:52
What I'm also interested in, Nick, is what frame of mind were you in then compared to now? Now, you seem like a well reasoned fan who supports Moyes more than most of us on this site (though without the blinders on like others we all know and love). At the start of that article you did not seem convinced on the man, and, being six months out of a pretty bad season, maybe weren't his biggest fan?
Other things you said, although correct at the time, have turned a very unexpected corner, and it's very interesting to look at an article like that as a time capsule of how things were just 6-7 years ago compared to how they've changed to what we have today. I think had you asked anyone back then, it looked like the Sky 4 were going to be up there for the next 20 years. Now one of them is almost a distant memory, and the other is fighting with two local rivals in a fight it is probably going to lose. Who woulda thunk it?
That is one of the good things about Toffeeweb. The archives give us the opportunity to revise, or just dig up dirt on other posters and use their old posts as sticks to beat them with.
342 Posted 28/02/2013 at 08:13:11
Keep up the good work guys, we'd be lost without this place!
There are some great debates on here, the Marsh/Rathbone/Ramejkis contingent against the likes of Mason/Dodd/Allaker are always a good read.
I have to agree with most here, Eugene is worth his weight in comic gold. For some reason I imagine him as 40 year old ginger Irishman wearing a Family Guy t shirt and always cracking jokes. Sorry pal, I'm probably miles out, but that's just my mental image! Haha.
344 Posted 28/02/2013 at 09:30:42
350 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:39:50
If they can let the ' all seeing eye ' mit der dividers und set square run and run on a thread they can find room for you. I mean they let me on ( well done btw MK for restricting my excesses) so say no more
353 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:58:05
355 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:58:48
356 Posted 28/02/2013 at 10:18:49
My thoughts on Moyes at the time were that he was the right man for the club, and as is still the case, delivering short on his potential.
I think we discussed this before and I've said that 90% of Moyes is a better bet than 100% of someone else because I truly believe that he is a top draw manager.
I do though remember posting once that if Moyes continues to fall short of top 4 (he had he 11th place season around that time) then we should look to replace, because the players we were beginning to accrue were themselves top talent and we needed to utilise them while they were still happy to be at the club.
However, this was at a time when we did have a proper transfer kitty, yet before Moyes had another crack of the whip with funds, they dried up.
The top players (Arteta, Pienaar, Lescott, Yobo) did remain at the club for a while longer because Moyes was still able to finish very high up the league. But as for pushing on (as noted in my article A Brief History of Failed Expectations) with player investment he has, up to this very day, still delivered the goods without it but short of the CL where these players went to be.
So from my point of view being best of the rest yet retaining that potential to hit the top 4 without money, is the reason why I've always supported him.
You become a better manager the more years you put in, and the better Moyes has become, the backing by the board has unfortunately fallen away.
Yes, its 6th and 7th each season, and the team have a bizarre tendency to defend deep late in games and all the rest of it. But it cannot be denied, whether you believe the difference between 6th or 7th and hitting 4th is about money, that the teams above us, and the one directly below are the ones who have the real money. Everyone else is below.
Interesting fact here. Excluding the two seasons we finished 17th and 11th, the only clubs ever finish higher than Everton in the league are the ones with money we see today. Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool. And one more, and only once - Villa (when Randy was spending big).
So that is, bar those two seasons, no club outside of the money has ever beaten Everton. Despite, and I say this often, nothing spent this window past, zero net for the previous two, and not one first team purchase for the previous 4 to that.
I don't think people see what we've got here. It is said Evertonians do not do banners or protests - and how the board run this club is a failed operation. Yet he is castigated for being the one team, and only team, that finishes directly behind, sometimes in front, of those with money.
You can have money and do badly, but to have no money and do well in the league is the sole reserve of Everton who are a paucity of player investment away from touching top 4 football. Dour defensive divering Davey? Sometimes. Someone who gives us hopes for Champions League football? Always. But many see those hopes and confuse them for demands, and nothing is demanded of the board.
But hey, he can't flog the dead horse forever, he has a career where the rest of us are stuck with Everton. If he goes in the summer, we move on to a new manager. Unless its a top draw appointment (never sure why people think we need some young up and comer) I'd be surprised to see them replicate Moyes' league finishes.
Everton do not finish where they do on their name, on transfer budget, on history, or the club motto. They finish where they do because the manager has us do.
362 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:16:08
366 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:33:59
370 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:47:04
372 Posted 28/02/2013 at 11:40:42
I think the word "community" is horribly misused, but the notion of a "TW community" does actually mean something to me. It's a heartening thought that - despite our many obvious differences - we are united in wanting Everton to do well. When the team score a goal, I would happily hug anyone on this site! [This Manly Hug Voucher is redeemable the next time we hit the back of the net. Conditions apply.]
MK & LL: here's an idea... How about regular contributors having a short profile that you could access? I'm thinking of something that summarises their basic opinions on the club/team. It's just that I get a bit frustrated repeating myself and explaining my point of view from scratch on every thread, reinventing the wheel, so I suppose others might feel the same. It's probably not workable, but I just thought I'd float the idea...
376 Posted 28/02/2013 at 12:25:03
Nothing beats being logged in on transfer deadline day, collectively laughing at the Stoke fans crowded behind the pissed off Sky Sports presenter...
394 Posted 28/02/2013 at 14:13:47
424 Posted 28/02/2013 at 17:03:10
Sometimes I think I might need counselling though like Marvin Sordell at Bolton because of the obsession with social networking sites. Have a read of this for a good laugh.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4731669/Bolton-ace-Marvin-Sordell-addicted-to-Twitter.html
I enjoy a good discussion and the occasional argument on here, as long as people don’t start making stuff up or talking hypothetically about things that havnt happened to suit their own argument. If we don’t have people from both sides of the spectrum then we wont have a balanced discussion but making stuff up should be banned.
What good does it do the club and its future if we are not being honest and giving the proper facts. Perhaps people think that if Moyes is hounded out the club it will be worth a few white lies as it will be in the best interests of Everton in the long run, but that cant be right surely? It needs to be done the right way.
For me the worst is when people just comment to take the piss but don’t actually contribute and give their own opinion or an alternative argument. I wouldn’t mind if they were funny but most arnt.
People like Sam Hoare, Tony J, Nick Entwistle, John Ford and a few others give me some hope that there are some reasonable minded fans out there. I did enjoy reading Dave Wilsons posts but I think he got banned along with Tunstead about a year ago.
Doddy and Marsh have become caricatures because they are both so biased and extreme from each side of the argument, I cant take either of them seriously but they both make me laugh at least.
Anyway, thanks for the time put into the site LL and MK
444 Posted 28/02/2013 at 17:36:02
449 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:20:13
It would be nice if Richard came back inside after his self imposed exile as some of the banter was cracking. Certainly after he left and was relieved by Martin Mason, debate became more heated and not as much fun.
Haven't seen Martin for a while... unless he's changed his name to Ian? Come back, Richard – all is forgiven!
451 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:22:03
There would have to be a few issues like that. Maybe five or six. A Kenwrightometer would probably find me at 2 or 3 - not because I'm fond of him, I'm not, but because I don't really care about that end of things. I know many people do. Fair play to them.
I'd give myself a 6 on the Nevilleometer. That's where 1 = great player. On the subject of our red neighbours, I'm on the pacifist end of the spectrum, having loads of misguided friends and family who follow them. Favourite EFC player of the last 20 years? Baines. Most over-rated player: Ferguson. My TW pet hate is.... dogged bores. (Say no more.)
There you go, I'm already building up a profile. I don't know, it might just work...
453 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:31:19
People on here tend to tell it how they see it, which makes a change from the Pravda-style views presented elsewhere. It is often surprising how others interpret facts and events in so many different ways.
The live feed can be a lot of fun when watching a game: reminds me of when I first used to go to the match. You would never know what sort of opinions and humour you would experience.
455 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:43:24
Cannot remember when I first joined, 2005 I think – hopefully the site will be around for many many years later, especially to celebrate a new owner – whenever that ends up being. Bottle of sparkly's gathered a lot of dust waiting for that day so far!
Are you two really based in the US? I would have thought you lived a stones throw away from GP!
456 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:39:28
I've only ever posted one article, Things I Hate, on the day before the last Derby. I was very impressed by the sheer number of fellow Victor Melldrews who added their own pet hates (apart from the RS) on such a wide variety of topics from old people wearing hats when driving to Davina McCall. Shows what a diverse shower we are.
458 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:48:47
Maybe I do make you laugh but, let me tell you, I don't find what's been happening at Everton the past 10 years one bit funny. Unlike many Everton fans, I am not content for us to just survive and be thankful for small mercies, ie, Moyes. As this wanker chairman and his lapdogs roll from one farcical disaster to another, as the football becomes even more unbareable to watch, you and others like you say things like...
Well, we're in the top six and we would be relegated with out DM in charge. AAAARRRGGHH!!!
This is why a Gobshite like Bill Kenwright survives here without any money or any clue how to run a football club. Moyes and Kenwright go hand-in-hand and one is as culpable for the mess the club is in as the other. Go on — lap this shit up and deny yourself a harsh dose of reality. We've got the most inept chairman and the most over-rated boring manager in the Premier League and we play the most awful soul-destroying brand of football in the country and you love it...
FFS – and you say I make you laugh?
460 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:46:40
I'm based in Kenya at the moment, so can't get to the matches, but always follow the matchday forum on here. I always read Eugene Ruane's and Tony Marsh's comments, they sum up for me how I feel as an Evertonian, but also with a laugh and cleverness, which I also think is part of the "Evertonians are born.." character that a lot of us share.
To MK and LL, great job, this site means a huge amount to many people, and not just those posting on it but to many others who spend time quietly on it each and every day.
464 Posted 28/02/2013 at 18:58:19
Great site lads!!
467 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:23:14
470 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:18:32
I'd be a liar if I said I like everything I see on here or that I agree with much of what is written, but the fact a platform exists for all the views is one nobody should underestimate.
Re- Nick Entwistle's earlier point about suspecting he got a reply from an incognito Club official, I think I once had an arguement on here with a woman who now contributes to the Matchday programme (her name is fairly unusual and appears in the credits on Page 3 every edition) and I am sure that people from the Club must read it.
With that in mind, a certain logic says that not only Club Officials or BK, but some of the players and even Mr Moyes must dip their toes in occasionally. Therefore, people that post four letter abuse about players and coaches should maybe ask themselves if that is really the best way to communicate or to get their voice heard? If you were in their shoes, would you listen to that or just ignore it?
Mr Tony Marsh often makes some very valid observations, but his aggressive way of putting them across means the points are often overlooked. (That said, it does make him amusing, but does Tony want to amuse fellow fans with his comments or send a message to the Club? I suspect he'd rather do the latter.) Just saying like.....
473 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:18:34
a) What kind of face Tony Marsh is pulling when he composes his love of everything blue?
b) Does Jimmy Sorheim have a "Royston Drenthe" desktop background or screensaver?
c) What Doddy actually looks like when growling over his keyboard to attack an argumentative and abusive ToffeeWebber (if there ever would be one, that is!)
d) What size Ken Buckley's seat actually is whilst perching his laptop on his knobbly(?) knees holding down the Shift Key with his left hand forefinger and whacking the letter keys with his right hand forefinger in between jumping up and down when we shoot!
e) Michael K's face on typing a Newsflash avidly reporting on Moysie signing another 5-year contract – together with a reputed 25% pay rise!!!
f) All of your cute little TW faces when Everton WIN THE CUP, thrashing Citeeh in the process (with Moysie grabbing the ball off Mancini whilst Big Dunc head-butts him)
I bet there's some real ugly bastards out there – I'll own up to being one!
474 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:39:14
481 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:37:25
Seriously, if you're angry, why not sound angry? You say "Therefore, people that post four-letter abuse about players and coaches should maybe ask themselves if that is really the best way to communicate or to get their voice heard".
Well there's nothing to say ANYONE is listening, but if they are, I would prefer those people to think "Shit, they are absolutely FUMING!" rather than "I think they're a bit peeved, but basically the posts look like they've been written by Private Godfrey so I wouldn't worry".
Trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people rarely gets you anywhere.
482 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:46:20
I dread to think of the hours I've spent on here but would not lose a single one.
Plenty of intelligent comment mixed with emotion sated over-reactions. Good work all.
486 Posted 28/02/2013 at 19:46:33
My TW addiction started in earnest during the mobile browsing revolution. I loved the usability and simple but effective design that allowed me to have my first rant about Kenwright (from the toilet if I chose) and since then I've learnt, shouted, laughed, admired and generally enjoyed the comments and it's posters opinions.
Yes, like most things, im sure the site could be tweaked and improved slightly, but a big thanks to LL & MK for the only EFC site that matters.
496 Posted 28/02/2013 at 20:55:51
Easily the best Everton related site on the internet. Long may it reign.
498 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:07:56
501 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:08:33
The only other Everton follower I know in London is a bloke who turns up at the same pub as me sometimes... once I said Anichebe's playing fair and quick as anything he said Anichebe's fucking shite. I don't want him holding my posts over me.
If I could do it all again I'd probably use a false name, so what does that say about my belief in what I write?
504 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:33:52
505 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:10:47
I take my hat off to both MK and LL. Tremendous job you've done, and it's especially great to be part of this site because as Kev Johnson stated earlier (I'm a scouser living in Kent, and it's only sunny when we win) it gives us a chance to vent our spleen with fellow blues.
Been some great threads on here but the one that stands out was about something I can't remember but turned into Kev Johnson signing for the blues, being overweight, it was totally off topic and hilarious.
Long live the mob.
506 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:34:46
More practically, though, it is confusing remembering who's who. For instance, there are a lot of Kevs and Kevins on here! I'm against having pics. I'm startlingly handsome and I might take against ugly fellow blues, which might – further down the line – cause needless slaughter.
509 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:45:46
517 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:56:25
519 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:21:58
521 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:27:01
Lyndon, is it true you and Michael are US-based?
522 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:25:45
Going to start a campaign for "keep Toffeeweb for the auld arses"
525 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:26:37
527 Posted 28/02/2013 at 21:36:27
Grew up in a household where speaking your mind and standing your ground were the norm so I love the fact that ToffeeWeb has that 'straight-forward' vibe (assuming that the similarity extends to the fact that there is absolutely no malice intended and everyone understands that we are a family of a sort).
I really appreciate the passion, wit, camaraderie and knowledge that is displayed on a daily basis (I just hope that my contributions add something too) and I don't get the people who 'don't get' ToffeeWeb.
I see myself as a 3 or 4 on the 'Moyesiah / MogaDave' scale, generally appreciative of his stewardship but very frustrated with seemingly over-cautious approach at times.
Great to see Doddy is back and looking forward to the next installments from all the black sheep in our flock.
530 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:38:55
Tony Marsh you are quality. Wear your heart on your sleeve mate.
531 Posted 28/02/2013 at 22:52:09
536 Posted 28/02/2013 at 23:33:28
546 Posted 01/03/2013 at 00:00:56
I've been reading Toffeeweb for about 2 years, although have only posted very occasionally. I'm 52 and have thus experienced the "great times". My first memory of Goodison Park was being taken by my Dad in the 60's and seeing the tangerine of Blackpool. I moved away from Liverpool in the late 80's so was lucky to see some great footy and success in between. I now live in South Wales and only get to Goodison about once a year.
If I'm honest I find a lot of Toffeewb depressingly negative (I'm absolutely a supporter of Moyes and the team), and I get intensely irritated by many of the posts.
Nevertheless I'm drawn to the site daily, although a bad result will mean that I won't log on for a couple of days, simply because I can't stand the bile and personal abuse that is thrown at Moyes. Mind you, if we lose, I won't watch any footy either for a couple of days.
Despite the fact that I feel that the general consensus on the site is overly critical, and unnecessarily abusive to Moyes (imo a dignified, diplomatic and immensely loyal individual), I am nevertheless drawn to the site daily. That is, I think, a testament to the great work that MK & LL do. Like a lot of other contributors, I think that the other efc blogs are simply rubbish (bland and lacking in any kind of debate).
i too thought Moyes on holiday in Scotland was comedy gold.
Thanks for a stimulating and provocative read,
COYB!!!!
555 Posted 01/03/2013 at 03:31:42
557 Posted 01/03/2013 at 04:04:25
The only thing I'd enjoy seeing next to people's name is their location and whether their MOB or IMWT or Boring.
Roman Sidey
Toronto
MOB
560 Posted 01/03/2013 at 05:38:36
Nick, toffee web dating?. Lord help us, I think the profile would read
Sex: only when Everton win.
Interests: Everton FC, drink and sex ( dependent on the first)
Attractive: improves with points one and two above
Finances: juggling money to pay the bank
Looking for: a rare breed of individual, an Evertonian with a pulse
I think your right though Nick, I am slightly outnumbered I would really love to see other women commenting on the site.
I remember when I first posted, I was taken back by some of the abuse I got, but advice from M&L convinced me not to give up. I am glad I didn't, TW has some great discussions, some infuriating wind up merchants and then some passionate genuine and concerned fans. I have no doubt the management of the club do read the site and reacts to it, it is perhaps the closest perspective to what's going on at our club, a few thousand heads analysis an issue rarely gets it completely wrong.
Long may it continue!
565 Posted 01/03/2013 at 07:26:44
Nick #356; you say (creases me up, Eugene) We finish where we are because of Moyes....
Ex-'kin-actly, a less cautious approach might have us higher... after all we have the best squad since (fill in year of your choice).
But hey, be careful what I wish for coz the next guy (if you listen to some) is nailed on to get us relegated... (or not, if you listen to others).
Me, I've done my dash with Moyes... change for change sake.
Oi, you, Bill... Money for God's sake!
Oh yeah, back on topic... ToffeeWeb's (to quote Jim Bowen) super, smashing, magic... Look what you COULD'VE won.
568 Posted 01/03/2013 at 08:09:13
Eugene for his classic humour, you can picture the guy holding court in a pub to a captive audience. What's also just as important though is the platform for all views, even if they drive you insane — all points of the compass are represented.
Long live the king.
593 Posted 01/03/2013 at 10:38:54
619 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:36:27
624 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:43:56
That's the nicest thing youv'e ever said to me. I'm filling up.
625 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:47:41
Our kid married a girl who lived in Peterborough Drive. Sylvia Campbell.
Ring any bells ?
628 Posted 01/03/2013 at 13:00:08
630 Posted 01/03/2013 at 13:09:19
Her Sisters nam is Roma and has 2 brothers Roy and Graham.
638 Posted 01/03/2013 at 12:33:03
Remind me - it used to be list-based didn't it (well, in the ToffeeNet days)? Also, is MK known as Kermit? I recall an author, famous around the Netley, sending drafts of her interviews with former players and managers, and made a disparaging comment of "Kermit's" comments about her draft in a private message to another user. Except she sent it to the list. So we all waited until daylight dawned in the USA to see the reaction...
I'm amazed how well known TW is when you meet Blues. Of course some say they prefer BlueKipper as ToffeeWeb is "too negative". You then point out that most of the content is user-generated, therefore a reflection of what real fans are thinking, and they are stumped for an argument.
I'm glad that TW never became a club mouthpiece like BK did (hmmmmm). I don't visit BK/Kipper anymore. Mainly due to the auto-running filler content they put in - which was fine until the auto-mute function was disabled. But I also don't like their blatant censorship of non-party line viewpoints.
The only highlight these days is seeing the illiterati on there trying to make sense of a Mickey Blue Eyes post.
641 Posted 01/03/2013 at 13:50:02
Used to love the My Auld Fella Shouts.....that's it!
685 Posted 01/03/2013 at 20:16:35
So many great posts which, to me, showed up BK for what he is and what he was trying to achieve. I just thought it would have killed our club and what came out was an insight on what was going on in and around the Board.
Many Thanks for serving the fans with a fantastic site, thanks to Tony for his may heartfelt posts, put in the best Shakesperian prose I've seen in many a long day, and to Eugene... for, just being Eugene and bringing us laughs in such a witty way.
To all the Blues who contribute to this fantastic site... even the ones who can stand BK!
714 Posted 01/03/2013 at 21:59:34
727 Posted 01/03/2013 at 22:49:27
731 Posted 01/03/2013 at 23:28:55
The website has a much more grown-up feel to it than the others, I think the use of real names and the inclusion of surnames builds towards that. I just wanted to say thanks guys and long may it continue. Also, without some of the characters on here, it wouldn't be what it is either, some of the comments have been hilarious and had me in stitches. Keep up the good work! Viva la ToffeeWeb.
737 Posted 02/03/2013 at 00:32:11
Best site frankly I've ever been to.
Eugene, Gavin, Christine, Andy Crooks, Matt Traynor, and yes.... Tony Marsh and his alter ego, counterbalancing ying and yang Richard Dodd. Plus a ton of others - Barry Rathbone, Paul Ferry, on and on and on you can go. Honestly - just magic.
if this site were sold I'd fucking cry. What else does a 43 year old father of 5 boys do with his time?
Errrr.... read TW of course!
Jamie Crowley
The "other" American red-headed beaten stepchild EFC done got me I'm addicted fuckit "fan"
I am quite serious - I love this site to death and the myriad of opinions, personalities, temperaments, etc it brings. Fantastic!
Oh, and my fav post ever was when we signed Kev Johnson....
739 Posted 02/03/2013 at 01:02:17
757 Posted 02/03/2013 at 06:50:23
The Cabbage, the orchard opposite, the walk through fields to sexton church.
Shops? The co op where you could lean on the big plate windows to knock down the displays, the kiosk was by the chippy opposite the Eden Vale wasn't it? Warwick Bolam school, so many memories, still have family in Louis Pastuer ave, ..
802 Posted 02/03/2013 at 10:14:12
I've seen alliances formed on this site, sulks last weeks and weeks, smart people dig a hole and keep digging, abuse, forgiveness and an occasional Red get us all in a fury.
My dream - to see all of us meet in one room and enjoy the shock at how different people are in real life compared to their TW personas.
I heard the great Tony M is actually a ballet dancer but may be wrong.
814 Posted 02/03/2013 at 11:54:18
It's still just as rough.
844 Posted 02/03/2013 at 14:24:07
845 Posted 02/03/2013 at 14:30:02
Yes, that's how I remember it too. Can I ask, are you an estate agent per chance?
850 Posted 02/03/2013 at 15:34:44
Si Cooper is right in as much we were brought up to have an opinion and that is what the game is about – opinions. The Moyes brigade totally piss me off because we are Everton FC not Moyes United and when he goes we will survive.
However, I respect their right to have an opinion even though I think it is a load of bollocks.
Gary Poole on the contrary I don't find it negative, what I see are opinions of different generations of blues. Some have seen success, some haven't, so you are bound to get varying views. If we all felt the same way it would be boring as shit.
Lyndon, Michael thanks for being such a big part of my life,
851 Posted 02/03/2013 at 15:42:55
4 Peterborough drive was a paradise .. That's how I saw it too.
Colin, it still has a great community even though a lot has changed, it went through some rough times but I still love to go back. Rose tinted glasses? No I just think it was a little gem then.
860 Posted 02/03/2013 at 17:03:56
We were forever swimming in the "cut" (canal) in summer. Don't think they do that now. There was the odd dead cat floating past then. Peterborough Drive was just round the corner from me btw.
871 Posted 02/03/2013 at 17:20:07
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225 Posted 27/02/2013 at 19:25:32
There is already a growing paranoia about the Moyessiah and his contract without you adding to it.