All the supporters need to get behind an idea to force change, 11 years is enough. In the next couple of weeks we will be about 9th in the Premier League (we will not beat Man City, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool). What can we do as a group to change things (demonstrations, not going to games, phone-ins, tabloid newspaper articles on who we want as the next manager etc..).

We as supporters can change things if we stick together as one. Let's get things moving for a better Everton! Please post on the best way we as supporters can UNITE for change...

If Kenwright and the board didn't see or hear the reaction from our fans towards Wigan players and manager at the end of the game then they'll never realise we've had enough and want to see change. Then again, it is early in the morning.

I still think that any sort of demonstration before the match will have an adverse affect on the team's performance. Historically, we used to throw the cushions from the stands at the end of a game to show our displeasure. Maybe we should start a campaign to have the cushions re-introduced....

Love it Ray, took me back to when Millwall and Harry Crisp knocked us out in the early 70's. I was only a kid with my dad in the Upper Bullens and wandered what was happening as the cushions flew around Goodison. I'm sure there was a writer on WSAG who went under the name of The Flying Cushion.

Thanks again for cheering me up.

Dave, that Millwall defeat was my first game. Cant remember much about it though as I was very young.

I blame Moyes for the defeat to Wigan, but the bigger overall culprit remains Kenwright. How he escapes mass criticism of the kind you describe in the OP still bemuses me.

Those protests ( and many others down the years ) where the reason they got rid of the cushions and if you think they were a bit precious where does it leave the removal of AGM's.

BRING BACK THE CUSHIONS

Looks like B&M or Home Bargains for some cheap cushions to fling to vent our anger at BK and the board and Moyes.

See yers later.

Already given my two tickets away for the City game, fuck 'em all as far as I'm concerned.

When did it become a binary position - you are either pro or anti Moyes, or the Board etc? On this site to my mind things certainly became a lot more polarised during the Kirkby "debate", which became something of a pitched battle between certain contributors, such that if A (who was pro-Kirkby) advocated that Baines was worthy of a regular England starting spot, B (who was anti-Kirkby) would argue he wasn't - just because it was A making the point.

Everton's situation isn't black and white, but I think the key to the multitude of problems lies in the boardroom. Personally I don't give a shit if Moyes stays or goes. I lost any desire to defend him after the Anfield capitulation last season, and his steadfast defence of it afterwards. I think he's somehow gone from understanding the fanbase and feeling the pulse of the club, to a complete outsider. But as others have pointed out, we support Everton, not Moyes or Kenwright. And Everton will be here long after they're gone (unless Kenwright really manages to finish the job he's started).

I've posted before I think it actually suits the board to have these divisions (which they helped create with DK) as it now prevents any sort of accord amongst the fanbase. Maybe they could go further and dedicate the Park End to MOB, and the Gwladys St to IMWT. Bring back a bit of atmosphere. Hopefully if the fans ever turn against BK and cronies, after finally seeing that he's just out to make a fortune out of the club - fuck the Blue credentials, they can have a stand for that as well - probably be able to justify another tier on the Park End.

I really wish I could go and show my displeasure at Moyes, but being in Australia now makes that a tad difficult unfortunately.

Here's an idea, how about buying a cheap blue cushion, smuggling it in under your top so the stewards can't confiscate it, and chucking them on the pitch at the final whistle. Revolution in our own unique, historic Evertonian way, now that'd make the headlines.

Only problem with the above is you can bet your bottom dollar we'll have a screamer and beat City, rendering the cushions futile, and everyone will stand singing .... "Oh Davey Moyes, Davey Davey Davey Moyes".......

Come on, all together now ....

"Oh Davey Moyes, Davey Davey Davey Moyes"

Don't you just love being a blue :)

Does anyone actually remember the cushions themselves? As I recall you could hire them (but I was only a kid and would never be spending my hard-earned cash on one of those). However, they used to be discarded by people at the end of the game (they weren't always lobbed onto on the pitch), and you could pick them up and inspect them.

They were plastic, a rotten colour of off-blue, had practically no substance, and were only good for being thrown away once you had weighed your arse on them. I know what they remind me of.

It might get a bit tasty if we suffer another bad defeat but I think most of us will be saving our breath to cheer the TEAM to victory.
The MOB is well named but has no place in true support of our lads.

Oh yes, them's were the days, none of the excuse laden delusion of today.

Loved the cushions flying, remember the coventry game and Jimmy Hill on MOTD pontificating about it being disgraceful - bollocks to him.

Everyone take a white balloon to mark the surrender of "nil satis" blow it up in the ground and let it fly.

Doddy, I'm MOB BECAUSE I support the lads. Moyes has done so much damage to them, and you only have to see the difference between the start of the season and what we have now for proof.

Barry, I wasn't around then, and am not even British, but have an idea that Chinny was a bit of a wanker.

Oh Doddy, you just don't 'Get it', a bit like Moyes just doesn't 'Get it'

Those that know.........

Barry, I like the white balloon idea, very poignant

I like the idea of a cushion with a white helium-filled balloon attached to each corner so when they're whizzed from the stands, they take a lot longer to hit the deck and...

Sorry, I'm being flippant.

I really like the cushions idea AND the balloons idea and believe if we perform against City with the same lack of guts we did against Wigan, and the response at the final whistle is simply weary blues trudging home, we probably DO deserve Kenwright/Moyes and the rest.

Richard Dodd @ 889

THE MOB - YOU'RE PRICELESS (there's always atleast few of you)!

The cheapest adult season ticket can only be bought for £427 plus these days, that's potentially a mortgage payment for some in the middle of a terrible recession. Many fans who have supported this club all their lives (and their parents/grandparents....) are struggling to pay for these tickets.

They are not a "MOB" they are EFC supporters with a love of the club!!!!.

They have had enough of paying DM £4m per year (and also what the players earn). This loyalty you think you are showing (when you attack the mob) is really "Yes sir, I'll shut up and eat my gruel".

The world is a different place, when I first started going I was paying less than £2 for the Gwladys St, the Park End is now £700 for a first time season tickets (that's 350 times more expensive!!!), that's a fucking financial investment for most people in this city (we are all shareholders!!) and they have a right to make noise when it goes wrong. If the so called "MOB" does make it's feelings known, you can always shout to them:

"C'mon boys!! the gruel doesn't taste so bad here, one day if we're lucky it might taste as good as the stuff they serve across the park!"

You said: "The MOB is well named but has no place in true support of our lads."

I should think the French are exceedingly happy you were not a Frenchman at the time of the French revolution, they'd all still be eating cake while the meat and veg is being consumed elsewhere!

As I said, you're priceless!

It was Moyes that picked the team on Saturday, it was Moyes that rested one of our best midfielders. It was Moyes that chose to have two old players who are drained to play against 5 midfielders with pace. It was Moyes that doesn’t play Hitz or Barkley.

From last years semi to last Saturday the EFC squad was more than capable of winning both games with ease: this lack of winning vital games is down to the Manager not the Board, he has the squad most on high wages to overcome these hurdles and he has failed!!

The second half proved how he couldn’t grasp the problem of no pace in our forward and midfield. Its time for BK to sack Moyes immediately for the simple reason he has refused to sign a new contract, he is playing poker with the club it’s now time for us to show our hand and get rid.

Allow Stubbs/Ferguson to take over for the rest of the season and blood players, there is no use continuing in the current status quo especially playing players like Phil Neville and maybe screech its time to blood new options especially as we are safe it’s the only way forward. BK, show some balls for once!!

Wave white handkerchiefs, that's what our lads did on Saturday after all.

What if we all took sniper rifles?

Too much?

Paul - "What if we all took sniper rifles? Too much?"

I'd have to say yes, too much.

Although having said that I have no idea of the cost of such a firearm.

(maybe on ebay they can be picked up cheaply)

Seriously though, completely ridiculous suggestion.

There's no way you could get all the paperwork for a firearm like that, completed in a few days, it would take weeks.

Sorry Eugene I obviously hadn't thought it through, maybe a catapult or slingshot then. And for the kids a paper aeroplane with MOYES OUT emblazed along the side.

I was just wondering what if Moyes signs a new deal say 5 years worth again and stays and nothing changes this summer, we sell a couple and bring a couple in, would yous still go to the games or have yous had enough?

Me personally, if this were to happen, I won't be going. I love my club but I'm not prepared to role the pockets of that chancer Kenwright no more and his lap dog Moyes. The only way we can get change is to hit them were it hurts, and yes the club will be fine, the Sky money is huge this coming season, but an empty Goodison would send a huge statement out to the media and world that we have had enough of this regime. COYB!!

EJ

I'm taking a large Asda "like Mum made", foil-based, tea-plate size custard pie.
When Boys' Pen Bill's mug comes on the big screen, the big screen's gonna get it.

(You're probably right about the paperwork – it'd arrive too late.)

Stephen

I'm debated whether or not to get a season ticket next season. I simply can not put up with Moyes no more. I love Everton and I want to go the game but going under Moyes is a chore/bad habit. Rarely do I leave Goodison happy with the football i've just witnessed. £600 for a season ticket plus lost wages is getting to be far too much to justify.

Stephen, Good point.

What if Moyes signs his new five year contract before everyone turns on him and the club.

It would cost us millions to get rid. Surely he wouldn't, would he?

Here's a novel idea......let's cheer the team.... I know madness, right! but just bear with me....... Forget your personal view about an employee of Everton, let's get behind the team...you know Everton? It's not Moyes FC, it's Everton FC. Do everything you want after the game, but before and during, maybe let's...I don't know.... try and support the men in Blue.

Tony
They didn't support us on Saturday (but you're probably right)

Tony 973, there is certainly merit in what you advocate and it is usually what Evertonians have been renowned for, but unfortunately I can't see it happening, there may not be the demonstrations that some have called for but there will in all probability be a very quiet atmosphere on Saturday as we continue to lick our wounds and contemplate what is going to happen in the near future.

The problem as I see it is that there is little or no way of removing the incompetent board of directors and until they are gone the apathy will continue to grow and eventually fans will just stop attending in growing numbers as they become less and less interested in Everton FC.

I am not renewing my season ticket next season. I am sick and tired off us being the nearly club: we nearly got to Wembley... we nearly finished 4th... we nearly signed a player.

After that Wigan game, I can not put up with it any more, that game was a disgrace to Everton Football Club and us fans. Why should I give them my money and my support? Why? We get nothing back off them.

By the way, my season ticket application form came this morning — what a time to get that after that bag of shit against Wigan!

I agree Phil and thank God I missed the game due to my mates 40th away.

Every player and the manager should have come out and apologised for that performance but we need something special to beat the Mancs but I too fear it will be like what Patrick states, a quiet atmosphere with us starting to get on the players backs when we haven't scored/concede another one.

It's not going to be pretty.

Alan Williams, above, calls for Moyes to be removed immediately and replaced by a temporary management team of Stubbs and Ferguson. Somebody else suggested Royle and Gray. The reality, of course, and I`m sure you know it, is that David will be here for a while yet, so naming replacements is totally fanciful.

But since when did reality ever invade these columns? The more certain scenario were the worst to happen and the Club be left rudderless is that Round and Weir would take the helm, them being the most senior staff members `left standing`.

And you thought it couldn`t get any worse than Moyes? Just be careful what.............!

The real problem isn't only Moyes. It's the players too. I see Fellaini cancelled his autographing session. Another gutless fool.

Richard
"But since when did reality ever invade these columns?"

An unintentional epitrope, there, I reckon

Nice one,Phil. Ooch !

Tony, I have to agree. Supporting the team on the field is paramount. The only downside to this is Moyes is so arrogant he will see this as, "See, they knew it was just one of those days, and they love. They really, really love me."

It is fortunate that we have a home game immediately after such a farce like we saw on Saturday, as it gives the supporters an opportunity to show some mettle. Whether the match going fans take that opportunity is completely up to them.

As I said, all for supporting the team on the field, but Moyes and Kenwright both need to be told that they can't behave this way any longer.

The thing is Phil we all know Fellaini is leaving in the summer. Its Moyes that's refusing to show his cards.

In the space of 3 months I have gone from being a very sure that Moyes was the best man for the job given the circumstances, to now thinking I've had enough of the same bloody starting 11 every week, with no imagination or variety. Time for a change.

He should take a leaf out of Fellaini's book and admit to us he wants to try get a job with a Champions League club in the summer. I for one would have a lot more respect for him if he did.

BTW Fellaini throwing a huff and cancelling the signing session is a disgrace. F'ing prima donna!

I rescind the offer to let him shag my wife!

Tony, agree re any protests being left until after the game (and if we win 4-0, probably cancelled unless you want to look a twat).

Another point you raised is regarding it being Everton FC rather than Moyes FC.

Well I agree but then have to ask (certainly myself) why has it so often FELT like it is Moyes FC?

Every manager we've had before was..just that - 'Joe Schmo, Everton manager"

Someone lauded if we did well, criticised if we didn't and out on his arse if we continually didn't.

Why with this feller, the whole Moyes..um..cult thing?

"He must stay, are you nuts, are you insane, who else could do the job?" etc

The guy is not without certain talents, but for the last 5 (and at LEAST) 3 years, it has been (imo) obvious that the whole thing has gone stale.

I have wanted him gone for a few years now, not because I hate his guts or because I think anyone else is going to come in and move us into regular CL places - I don't.

I do however think we need something/someone....fresh.

I want him gone for the same reason I change my wall-paper every 5 years - because it gets stale (nb: I have never put up wallpaper in my life but it seemed like a decent analogy).

If you take out the financial aspect (ie: his staggeringly good wages), I also believe it would be the best thing for Moyes (fresh start, fresh challenge etc).

I appreciate nobody is actually going to say - "To be honest, I'm so conditioned to having Moyes as manager, that irrational as it might be, I'm terrified at the prospect of anyone else" - but I really think that is what has happened to many.

I was thinking about this last night - if you're a blue 25 or under, it must be almost like the Everton manager HAS to be Moyes because...well he always has been.

He's become the Rev. Sun Myung Moyes

He DID do really well for a good while and was exactly the boost we needed after Smith.

In my humble, we need that boost again, now and he is 100% not the man to supply it.

If he stays...well after stale comes..mould*

(*that's a guess, couldn't be arsed with 'chemmo'...or is it bio?)

Eugene (000)

"To be honest, I'm so conditioned to having Moyes as manager, that irrational as it might be, I'm terrified at the prospect of anyone else"

Spot on, I think I have just recently broken out of that exact state of conditioning

Ray Roche - You say it may have an adverse reaction on the pitch. But don't you realize, that's the exact reason we need this buffoon out because of the tripe he has served up time and again.

Getting him out, is the only way we can improve on the pitch, improve in cup matches, and improve in matches that matter.

Of course won't go until the end of his contract probably... but by making it clear to him and the board until the end of the season, we don't want him and will not accept him as the manager, he will be gone in the summer.

The real question is, will the meek fans do anything at all? Evidence in the past as shown they won't. A few boos here and there, if we the fans do nothing at all, at home and away, then I am sorry to say we deserve this clown and his Sideshow Bob (Round) team. It really is as simple as that.

Eugene Ruane,

We agree on something! Are we fighting on the same side? What can I say I'm impressed with your insights on our unreplaceable "Moyesiah".

Well said.

Tony normally I agree with you and even earlier in the seaosn I complained that people were booing at half time of the first 0-0 of the season. I thought that was unreasonable behaviour. I don't expect people to cheer on Saturday and nor should they unless they ar egiven something tangable to get behind. There used to be a time when Everton for me seemed to have unlimited credit in the bank so that even during bad performances I could still get revved up for the next game. This current team however seemed to have adopted an unattractive attitude of 'you should be grateful for what we give you' that is turning the crowd away from them. If they were going out and giving it 100% most weeks and still losing then I still think people would be getting behind them. The difference is this season is that the talent of the team is higher but the effort rate has dropped completely so that even when they win sometimes it has seemed as though they haven't been bothered. The highs used to be so high because the team would have to give everything for it, and the lows not so low because they'd usually given everything again. For the first time in the entirety of Moyes tenure (in my opinion contrary to those who advocate 11 years of unchanging turgid nothingness) this season has been the first where I've seen a real lack of effort and almost blase spirit amongst some of the players and this is ultimately what loses you the crowd.

Moyes should take a lot of blame for what happened on Saturday but when do we start to realise that the mindset of this group of players regardless of the manager just hasn't been good enough at times. A team with Mirallas, Pienaar, Jelavic and Fellaini in should not go a whole game wihtout making a realistic effort on goal. Moyes can do whatever harmful things some people believe he does int he week, he can play whatever formation he wants but at some point when do the players stop looking for excuses and start doing even the basics right? People can say what they want about Moyes' previous years but a team with Hibbert, Cahill, Carsley, Arteta would never have allowed that sort of performance. Limited as some of these players were they never lost some inherent Everton qualities that are sadly lacking in all areas of this team.

Well I will be renewing my season ticket for the 40th consecutive season, not because I think we will win trophies that is just a hope at the beginning of every season. I support my home town club unconditionally irrespective of manager, owner or players, yes I am as desperate for us to be successful again but being a supporter in my view means in good and bad times. Otherwise for people not going to the game means they don't support the club, or only support the club if the club adheres to there personal preference.

Believe me after going to Goodison for in excess of 60 years I have seen some very poor teams, but we didnt choose which team to support like many we were usually pre-ordained to be blue before we were born.

There have been many occasions when I have thought do you really want to watching this rubbish next season, but then I moan for a while then think well maybe next season it will be better because that's what makes us fans. So I would urge my fellow Evertonians irrespective of what you think of the manager or certain players you are supporting the club not the individuals. Remember players and managers will come and go but our support is there from birth to death.

Brain, I too will be renewing.....because there is something inside me which makes it impossible not to, irrespective of who is manager, owner or player....I want to watch Everton play and God permitting, winning games.

What gets on my tits are these keyboard warriors referring to the match going crowd as sheep or as the dope above above says "meek fans" because they won't scream and shout at the top of their lungs all the bile that gets posted on here.

I am assuming from his name (I know, I know makes an ass out of U and me), he doesn't go the game but as the cheek to suggest the match going fans have in any way contributed to the shit state we find ourselves in...... fuckwit.

My mate has just thought of a comment for the MOB banner " in Moyes we Rust" Barkley has just been sent off in a U21 game so now banned for 3 games so I’m told!! Neville in CM then for the rest of the season! DM also says not much he could have done to change things on Saturday! Is he really that far away from reality? Stubbs/Ferguson to take over until May.... please BK?

Lets get it straight Kenwright will not sack Moyes because Moyes takes all the shit that Kenwright should be getting. I am not a fan of Moyes and I personally think Moyes should have gone 5 years ago. One of the problems we have is the lack of a tacitly of Kenwright and the Ghost board who never show themselves in any way shape or form. Look at Kenwright's cv at Everton since he too, control, promise after promise after promise and NOTHING, no sign of anyone wanting to purchase the club although he tells us he's working 24/7 to find a buyer oh shit sorry an investor not a buyer. Now the board well what can I say ' what a shower of fuckers' between the lot of them they could piss on the Yanks financially but refuse to back and support the club financially. Yes Moyes is to blame for piss poor performances shitting himself when we play the red shite and throwing the towel in but don't get blinded by it all being his fault look at Kenwright and the rats on the board. At this moment it's hard being a Blue knowing we lied down to be taken apart by a poor Wigan team and then less than 24 hours later having to listen to the kopite gobshites moving above us in the league.

Why don't the Blue Union organise a protest on Saturday it would be a perfect time for them to get as many supporters as possible. Why have they just given up protesting, the atmosphere will be atrocious on Saturday I think a lot of fans won't even bother to clap the players.

Frida Ericsson @ 005

Frida, I realise many things. Getting this "buffoon" out of Goodison is cleary
at the top of many fans agenda, but I don't particularly want another episode
like we had versus Arsenal when the Lescott affair led to a 1-6 humiliation at
home. But this time at the hands of the Mancs.
We will not improve, on or off the pitch, while Boys Pen Billy is in charge.
That should be paramount in our thoughts. When someone else has the reins
and invests in the team, we MIGHT see the sort of improvement we all want.

If Moyes is to go, then he will go at the end of the season, when HE decides,
regardless of any protests from us before a game.

Frida Ericsson,

I assume you will be at the match on Saturday voicing your dissatisfaction?

Great plan, Frida.

Let's all boo the team when we're playing the richest team on the planet & the Champions of England. Yeah, bound to help.

Brian Harrison @ 030

Hello Brian,

I respect your views and I think many of us have a lot in common with you, but would you sit through unconditionally another 11 seasons of what we've been getting in the last few months?

Tony J Williams @ 046

Hello Tony,

It's totally wrong to call you a "meek" fan, you're entitled to your ticket and to use it. However you are BK's ideal fan at this time and he'll go on doing what he's doing if left unchecked.

Out of interest though do have a cut of point when you will say: "Things have to change, I can't pay for this anymore."

Did anybody read the patronising drivel written by David Maddocks in The Mirror today?

He states "some" disgruntled punters think it's time for Moyes to go, and then defends him and his record, saying we are a well run, well managed club with little debts... is this man real? He has obviously not heard of Kings Dock, Fortress Sports Fund, Destination Kirkby, the Park End thing being cancelled... I won't mention the debacles on the pitch.... WOT A TOSSER!

By the way, a confession, me and me mate, who I wont name "acquired" a cushion each in the early seventies — mine got stuck underneath me wrangler jacket and I couldn't get it out till I got home!!!!!!

What's the point in booing the players this will only work against us and work in the favour of Chitty. The main culprit is Kenwright and the board who fail to back the club every year when we think we're in a position to move forward.

The January transfer shambles had a knock on effect both on and off the field. Today we here reports that the Fer transfer saga could be back on in the summer, perfect timing once again by Kenwright as the window to renew season tickets opens.

Watch this space over the coming weeks Kenwright is in his office with potential buyers and money will be available for squad strengthening JOKE. He treats us supporters with contempt and treats us like idiots DON'T BUY INTO IT ANYMORE.

Enough is enough Kenwright and his cronies need to go before we sink any lower.

James I couldn't believe that the Early Bird runs out by 19 April and that you can only guarantee your own seat by the 13th May a week before the end of this current season.

This is how loyalty is rewarded by Kenwright and the board, make the supporters pay off the 25 year loan borrowed by Kenwright to purchase our club. Look at all the deals Kenwright has signed us up to 1 Kitbag who say what we can sell and where we sell it 2. Finch Farm which we hire and is draining us dry 3 Chang a piss poor sponsorship deal. What about the new plaza being built at the Par End which we then find out the land doesn't belong to us and need I go on. Fortress Funds on there way, Kings Dock, Kirkby, try reeling off players linked to us at times when things are going bad and Kenwright is on the ropes you can probably put a team together that would match Barcelona and every other major team in Europe. Kenwright is a play writer and spins us a new story line year in year out. Piss poor excuses and lies is all we get and then when season ticket sales are in the bank it's normal services resumed.

If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got.
If you keep on paying for the crap dished up on the field, you are just perpetuating the cycle.
I gave up paying years ago and am off to Rhodes for 2 weeks on the savings.
I'll think of you all crying into your pints while I'm soaking up the sun.
Happy Holidays!

Hmmm Barry #329
I remember having that attitude until an Adrian Heath goal very many years ago taught me the value of keeping the faith. Two weeks in Rhodes...you sell your soul cheap!

Brendan

Last Year it was South Africa, the year before Corfu, also Goa, and South Africa again. What can I say? I enjoy travelling more than continual disappointment.

In the late 50s and throughout the 60s, I attended every home match. Through the 70s and 80s I attended 4 or 5 matches each season. Since then, I chose to spend my money on things that bring me happiness. Everton only brings me disappointment and misery so my interest has become casual.

I still get upset when they lose and elated when they win. But I won't be wasting any of my hard earned money on millionaire players, managers and owners.

Yellow balloons would be apt as that was the colour of most of our players and manager last weekend.

So you want Moyes Out to be replaced by who knows. He will still inherit the same squad without Fellaini I guess but will have no money to spend. The only guy who needs to go and urgently is Kenwright and he should take what he can get for Everton FC because after Moyes it will be pennies. Trouble is a lot people still have Boys Pen Bill on a pedestal.

What I don't understand is this idea that we started playing poorly around the January window, insinuating that this was one of the causes. I think the loss to Reading in November was the definite beginning, but could even go back as far as the Wigan game in October - our seventh league game of the season. This "early season form" everyone talks about lasted about a month, and this was after we did bring in some new players.

Roman Sidey @ 470

Hello Roman,

Around about the Wigan game you might assume that all the other teams had shook off their pre season rust and were beginning to play again? Maybe Moyes for once had a very good pre season and had them ready and willing (instead of the usual shockers we have), we took advantage to begin with, but after a while (6 games) some of the old cracks began to reappear when they caught up?

That's maybe a simple and possible reason why?

"However you are BK's ideal fan at this time and he'll go on doing what he's doing if left unchecked.

Out of interest though do have a cut of point when you will say: "Things have to change, I can't pay for this anymore."

Robert, I don't care that you perceive me as an ideal fan. I support Everton and I will keep doing so until I can't afford to go the match, then I will support them from my armchair, Kenwrong, Moyes, Fellaini mean not a jot to me in comparison to Everton Football Club.

I will keep going even if we get relegated. The only time I stop going (money permitting) will be when we don't exist anymore. So no, I as a football fan, do not have a cut off point where I would turn my back on Everton. I never will.

Some dickheads say sheep, I say committed fan.

Tony J Williams @ 549

Tony, I'm happy people like yourself exist (loyal fans!), you make the club what it is and that's very well supported home and away. The set of circumstances we find ourselves in don't happen every week (I think you'll agree?), these circumstances are polarising opinions and things are being said, that perhaps shouldn't.

I've never called any loyal fan a "sheep" and If you think that's what my post is saying to you - it's not.

Circumstances are extraordinary, the last time was 11 years ago, some of us value their tickets/seats more than others and are showing more patience that others.

I'm personally one of those people who cannot/will not exist in stagnation and will act, that's my mindset, that's why asked the questions I did.