Season 2012-13
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What does Bill really think about Moyes?
We all know, publicly and privately, that Bill Kenwright and David Moyes are inseparable, with mutual respect for each other. Remember their love-in on Goals on Sunday last season?
People will probably shoot me down for writing this but a thought is bugging me. When we conceded the third goal against Wigan (sorry to bring it up again), what was Bill thinking when the ITV cameras picked him up? If he was the true Evertonian he claims he is, he would surely have had a word with Moyes after the match — or sacked him, wouldn't he?
Or what about that rollover at Anfield last season? For me, one of the worst days in Everton's recent history. If he actually cared about our club he supposedly loves, he would have either sacked Moyes after that match or given him a good hiding.
But no... I suspect, even if we got relegated to League Two, Kenwright would try to keep him even longer. Yet he is so detached from reality, like a dictator clinging to power that he thinks all of the supporters are behind Moyes... Did he hear those boos of disapproval at Moyes and the team against Wigan?
We are stagnating under our current management: Moyes has seemingly lost interest and run out of ideas and is seemingly looking to fill his pockets with more money from another club next season.
I'm going to ask you all, When we lost 0-3 against Wigan and 0-3 last season at Anfield, what do you think Kenwright's reaction was?
Ross Edwards, Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:18:24
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497 Posted 29/03/2013 at 07:49:28
In Moyes, Kenwright has found a manager willing to keep quiet on the mis-management at the board level, provided those at the board level keep quiet about the mis-management going on at the coaching level and put absolutely zero pressure on the manager to perform in league or cup.....in return for one of the best salary packages in the league, of course.
498 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:11:23
502 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:38:48
We're all witnesses.
514 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:28:19
Human
Shield
523 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:26:25
This was said after the game we lost 4-0 at home to Bolton a few days after the Bucharesti debacle. It was said in front of half-a-dozen fans who couldn't believe it.
That season, we stayed up with the lowest ever points and goals total in Premier League history. The lowest goals in a season in EFC's history. Moyes kept his job and here we are today.
Kenwright is a Clown.
529 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:04:35
530 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:00:47
532 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:59:08
Kenwright is just the same as the majority of fans as long as relegation fights don't figure Moyes can do what he wants when he wants including holding the club to ransom.
Garbage in my book but that's lack of ambition for you.
536 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:36:17
And, how can a man who has publicly lambasted players for not committing to the club in the final year of their contracts then go on and the same bloody thing! Him and Kenwright are a marriage made in hell for this club, the sooner they are both gone the better, starting with Moyes.
546 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:33:52
Yeah sure he was responsible for the Fer and Negredo fiascoes, wasn't he!!!!
No wonder Moyes is considering going.
He is as pissed off as the rest of us at Billy Bullshit's lies and taking all the flak for him.
547 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:39:42
Hallelujah!!!
549 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:49:49
Common sense has no place here....stick on message man. There are bandwagons to jump on and irrational rants to be had! You want considered and balanced opinion, you are not in the right place!
554 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:16:46
You reminded me of a wedding I was at in Sessions Road, just down from the Royal Oak, in `67. The arse of a groom had sneakily arranged for that dirge to be played
Most of the congregation, including me and the bride, walked out. Shortest nuptials on record – I DID warn her about mixed marriages.
564 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:25:37
People on here worry too much about the RS. For me, it's nice to beat them and finish above them, but it's not the world to me. I would much rather win a cup or qualify for the Champions League. I would gladly lose to the Red Shite every time if it meant we could win something or get in the CL.
591 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:33:51
Ridiculous post.
629 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:59:55
"David has known what his transfer budget for the summer is for a while now" = When the manager tells the fans (via one of his coaches) that if he stays depends on transfer budget, he is lying.
The smear campaign from Kenwright has started. Who needs enemies when you have a friend like Blue Bill?
646 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:44:07
Yours was a ridiculous post. Kenwright has sat idly by watching Moyes display the tactical nous of a housebrick.
There have been too many capitulations under Moyes. Wigan two weeks ago deserved the sack as did the disgraceful throwing away of a derby at Anfield last season. Also, the rabbit in the headlights second half semi against Lpool.
By not sacking Moyes he is guilty if dereliction of duty.
Moyes will leave in the summer because the sensible fans have seen through him.
He will never win a trophy as he is not brave enough in big games.
Fortune favours the brave. Not the cowardly lion.
647 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:50:45
664 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:54:06
You talk absolute shite. It's got nothing to do with Moyes not being brave enough in big games. The reason we lost the FA Cup Final and League Cup semi-final to Chelsea, is because they spent 100s of millions more than us and were a better side, it's as simple as that. Against the red shite in last year's semi-final, Distin made a shocking back pass which led to Rat Boy scoring, was that Moyes's fault?
666 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:30:54
We now have a team capable of staying up – with or without Moyes, though – so, if ever there was a time Moyes could be cast aside, it's now. A cheaper stooge must have Blue Bill rubbing his hands with glee.
700 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:11:54
The name of his theatre company, Bill Kenwright Ltd.
The name of his record company, Bill Kenwright Records.
Nuff said.
701 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:14:48
728 Posted 30/03/2013 at 00:38:59
749 Posted 30/03/2013 at 05:00:14
Which opinion matters more?
778 Posted 30/03/2013 at 10:29:33
793 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:46:44
If you had any understanding of football you would know that Distin was looking to play the ball forward but as there was no outlet he had to turn back and do a backpass.
The lack of outlet was due to a tactically bereft manager who decided to sit on a goal lead in a semi-final.
Perhaps Mr Frere should read some coaching manuals before posting like a fuckwit.
798 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:54:34
You're talking more shite than anyone. If success is purely down to money, how have we beaten both Manchester clubs this season?
And if Moyes has had zero backing, then Fellaini, Yakubu, Beattie etc were all free transfers were they???
I have one question for the Moyes apologists: If Moyes does go to another club next season, will you still support Everton or will you follow his new team.
803 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:59:49
What counts for a level playing field at present is how managers can make the most of what they have. This is not the best squad that Man Utd have ever had under Ferguson yet he has them fifteen points clear. Man City have a great set of players yet they have been shockingly poor this season under Mancini and may not even finish second. Swansea have a fraction of City's budget yet have won a trophy this season. AVB was belittled during his time at Chelsea yet at Spurs, a club which while not poor has fewer resources, he is pushing for a CL place.
The biggest complaint about Moyes is that he has not evolved as a manager. By extension, this is a criticism of Kenwright as a chairman in that he has done nothing about it. Knee-jerk reactions by chairmen and boards at football clubs usually backfire. They are to be commended in a way that they did not get shut of Moyes after one or two ordinary seasons but after eleven years, it is time to do something.
808 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:16:14
Prepare crocodile tears...
As for Moyes, think about it for a sec: why on earth was Moyes given such a lucrative salary for an unsuccessful team with no money? His brief had to be, "Keep us in the Premier League and cover my back" — total loyalty. He was paid off in advance for his loyalty disguised as friendship.
I knew the right idea of a friend is what someone can do for me...
811 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:32:53
Moyes is becoming less and less like the golden boy as time goes on and the fans and the media are starting to highlight his shortcomings more and more. Kenwright cannot hide behind him for much longer as a result.
For any club, the two people who stand out the most to the public eye are the chairman and the manager. If their co-dependency is not getting them anywhere then they may just decide to call it quits.
819 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:51:31
822 Posted 30/03/2013 at 13:00:23
998 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:24:44
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490 Posted 29/03/2013 at 06:52:32