What does Bill really think about Moyes?

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We all know, publicly and privately, that Bill Kenwright and David Moyes are inseparable, with mutual respect for each other. Remember their love-in on Goals on Sunday last season?

People will probably shoot me down for writing this but a thought is bugging me. When we conceded the third goal against Wigan (sorry to bring it up again), what was Bill thinking when the ITV cameras picked him up? If he was the true Evertonian he claims he is, he would surely have had a word with Moyes after the match — or sacked him, wouldn't he?

Or what about that rollover at Anfield last season? For me, one of the worst days in Everton's recent history. If he actually cared about our club he supposedly loves, he would have either sacked Moyes after that match or given him a good hiding.

But no... I suspect, even if we got relegated to League Two, Kenwright would try to keep him even longer. Yet he is so detached from reality, like a dictator clinging to power that he thinks all of the supporters are behind Moyes... Did he hear those boos of disapproval at Moyes and the team against Wigan?

We are stagnating under our current management: Moyes has seemingly lost interest and run out of ideas and is seemingly looking to fill his pockets with more money from another club next season.

I'm going to ask you all, When we lost 0-3 against Wigan and 0-3 last season at Anfield, what do you think Kenwright's reaction was?

Ross Edwards, Liverpool     Posted 28/03/2013 at 21:18:24

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Paul Andrews
490 Posted 29/03/2013 at 06:52:32
I think he probably went back to his office, put his Alan Ladd cowboy suit on and played a few songs to cheer him up. Maybe "You'll never walk alone" — He has told us before it always brings a tear to his eye.
Wayne Smyth
497 Posted 29/03/2013 at 07:49:28
Kenwright cares far more for the cash and publicity he can make out of being chairman than any "love" for the club.

In Moyes, Kenwright has found a manager willing to keep quiet on the mis-management at the board level, provided those at the board level keep quiet about the mis-management going on at the coaching level and put absolutely zero pressure on the manager to perform in league or cup.....in return for one of the best salary packages in the league, of course.

Paul Gladwell
498 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:11:23
The fact he loves that song says it all for me, I have seen weddings ruined over that song and the man who claims there is no bigger blue loves it.
Christopher Kelly
502 Posted 29/03/2013 at 08:38:48
Con-man.

We're all witnesses.

Paul Jones
514 Posted 29/03/2013 at 09:28:19
Two words....

Human
Shield

Tony Marsh
523 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:26:25
Bezzie Mates always. Nothing Moyes does can ever get him the sack. I know because Bill told me so. His words to me were, "I wouldn't sack him even if we get relegated."

This was said after the game we lost 4-0 at home to Bolton a few days after the Bucharesti debacle. It was said in front of half-a-dozen fans who couldn't believe it.

That season, we stayed up with the lowest ever points and goals total in Premier League history. The lowest goals in a season in EFC's history. Moyes kept his job and here we are today.

Kenwright is a Clown.

Al Reddish
529 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:04:35
That's right, a bad result or two and sack your manager. So when we beat the Shite 3-0 should he have made him honourary president or something, same as when we have just beaten the reigning Champions 2-0 or the future Champions 1-0 earlier in the season?
Kunal Desai
530 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:00:47
For many of Moyes failings he has still kept BK out of the limelight, just the pure and simple fact that we've been a top 5-8 side for the majority of the last 12 years is probably like winning the league title every season for BK and that is why Moyes will always be his man.
Barry Rathbone
532 Posted 29/03/2013 at 10:59:08
Think he genuinely likes Moyes but expectation is so low debacles are accepted.

Kenwright is just the same as the majority of fans as long as relegation fights don't figure Moyes can do what he wants when he wants including holding the club to ransom.

Garbage in my book but that's lack of ambition for you.

Robbie Shields
536 Posted 29/03/2013 at 11:36:17
Garbage in my book too Barry. The worst thing that could possibly happen would be for Moyes to 'decide' that he's going to grace us with his presence for another 5 years on £4 million a year. It beggars belief. How can a man who claims footballers should all take a 20% paycut be the highest paid person at the club??????

And, how can a man who has publicly lambasted players for not committing to the club in the final year of their contracts then go on and the same bloody thing! Him and Kenwright are a marriage made in hell for this club, the sooner they are both gone the better, starting with Moyes.

Jay Harris
546 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:33:52
Just loved the latest rhetoric about Moyes being in total control of who comes in and who goes.

Yeah sure he was responsible for the Fer and Negredo fiascoes, wasn't he!!!!

No wonder Moyes is considering going.

He is as pissed off as the rest of us at Billy Bullshit's lies and taking all the flak for him.

Paul Andrews
547 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:39:42
Robbie Shields,
Hallelujah!!!
Steve Jones
549 Posted 29/03/2013 at 12:49:49
Al Reddish,

Common sense has no place here....stick on message man. There are bandwagons to jump on and irrational rants to be had! You want considered and balanced opinion, you are not in the right place!

Phil Bellis
554 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:16:46
Paul Gladwell

You reminded me of a wedding I was at in Sessions Road, just down from the Royal Oak, in `67. The arse of a groom had sneakily arranged for that dirge to be played

Most of the congregation, including me and the bride, walked out. Shortest nuptials on record – I DID warn her about mixed marriages.

Mark Frere
564 Posted 29/03/2013 at 13:25:37
Every team has bad results now and again, it's not an excuse for getting rid of our manager. The facts are, we have finished in the top 8 consistently, been in two semi finals and a final. Not bad to say Moyes has had zero backing from the board. We cannot judge Moyes's capabilities to take us to next level, until the board puts their hands in their pockets.

People on here worry too much about the RS. For me, it's nice to beat them and finish above them, but it's not the world to me. I would much rather win a cup or qualify for the Champions League. I would gladly lose to the Red Shite every time if it meant we could win something or get in the CL.

Mike Allison
591 Posted 29/03/2013 at 15:33:51
Of all the things people have slagged Kenwright off for, its utterly undeniable that a huge strength of his is that he doesn't sack the manager on a whim. This single fact is what has kept us ahead of many other Premier League teams.

Ridiculous post.

Paul Andrews
629 Posted 29/03/2013 at 16:59:55
"David is in charge of all players coming in and all players leaving.He has total control" = When the new manager arrives and tells us we have an ageing squad it is nothing to do with me.

"David has known what his transfer budget for the summer is for a while now" = When the manager tells the fans (via one of his coaches) that if he stays depends on transfer budget, he is lying.

The smear campaign from Kenwright has started. Who needs enemies when you have a friend like Blue Bill?

Ian Edwards
646 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:44:07
Mike Allison

Yours was a ridiculous post. Kenwright has sat idly by watching Moyes display the tactical nous of a housebrick.

There have been too many capitulations under Moyes. Wigan two weeks ago deserved the sack as did the disgraceful throwing away of a derby at Anfield last season. Also, the rabbit in the headlights second half semi against Lpool.

By not sacking Moyes he is guilty if dereliction of duty.

Moyes will leave in the summer because the sensible fans have seen through him.

He will never win a trophy as he is not brave enough in big games.

Fortune favours the brave. Not the cowardly lion.

Colin Wainwright
647 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:50:45
You're right Paul (629). It's as predictable as it is inevitable.
Mark Frere
664 Posted 29/03/2013 at 17:54:06
Ian Edwards.
You talk absolute shite. It's got nothing to do with Moyes not being brave enough in big games. The reason we lost the FA Cup Final and League Cup semi-final to Chelsea, is because they spent 100s of millions more than us and were a better side, it's as simple as that. Against the red shite in last year's semi-final, Distin made a shocking back pass which led to Rat Boy scoring, was that Moyes's fault?
James Stewart
666 Posted 29/03/2013 at 18:30:54
Kenwright doesn't care about success; all he wants is Premier League safety and the TV revenue it brings. Moyes guarantees that and so has been vital to Kenwright. Hence Moyes's paycheck.

We now have a team capable of staying up – with or without Moyes, though – so, if ever there was a time Moyes could be cast aside, it's now. A cheaper stooge must have Blue Bill rubbing his hands with glee.

Clive Rogers
700 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:11:54
I have realised that what Kenwright truly loves is himself.

The name of his theatre company, Bill Kenwright Ltd.

The name of his record company, Bill Kenwright Records.

Nuff said.

Phil Walling
701 Posted 29/03/2013 at 21:14:48
Didn`t you hear what he said on Sky? "I have a million, billion, trillion per cent confidence in him." Feck me, I wouldn`t even say that about my missus... Ouch!
Ian Black
728 Posted 30/03/2013 at 00:38:59
Kewright's reaction will have been to nod his head solemnly and think "Martinez has just passed his job interview."
James Flynn
749 Posted 30/03/2013 at 05:00:14
Bill loves him. The fellows actually pulling the strings couldn't care less.

Which opinion matters more?

Matt Bone
778 Posted 30/03/2013 at 10:29:33
Mike Allison, I totally agree. Ridiculous original post.
Ian Edwards
793 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:46:44
Mark Frere

If you had any understanding of football you would know that Distin was looking to play the ball forward but as there was no outlet he had to turn back and do a backpass.

The lack of outlet was due to a tactically bereft manager who decided to sit on a goal lead in a semi-final.

Perhaps Mr Frere should read some coaching manuals before posting like a fuckwit.

Tom Sullivan
798 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:54:34
Mark Frere

You're talking more shite than anyone. If success is purely down to money, how have we beaten both Manchester clubs this season?

And if Moyes has had zero backing, then Fellaini, Yakubu, Beattie etc were all free transfers were they???

I have one question for the Moyes apologists: If Moyes does go to another club next season, will you still support Everton or will you follow his new team.

Kieran Fitzgerald
803 Posted 30/03/2013 at 11:59:49
Mark Frere @664. By your reasoning Swansea and Bradford should not have contested this year's League Cup Final. Millwall and Wigan should not be in an FA Cup semi-final. Why do we even bother to enter any competitions when Man Utd, Man City et al have far better teams and transfer kitties than us?

What counts for a level playing field at present is how managers can make the most of what they have. This is not the best squad that Man Utd have ever had under Ferguson yet he has them fifteen points clear. Man City have a great set of players yet they have been shockingly poor this season under Mancini and may not even finish second. Swansea have a fraction of City's budget yet have won a trophy this season. AVB was belittled during his time at Chelsea yet at Spurs, a club which while not poor has fewer resources, he is pushing for a CL place.

The biggest complaint about Moyes is that he has not evolved as a manager. By extension, this is a criticism of Kenwright as a chairman in that he has done nothing about it. Knee-jerk reactions by chairmen and boards at football clubs usually backfire. They are to be commended in a way that they did not get shut of Moyes after one or two ordinary seasons but after eleven years, it is time to do something.

Christine Foster
808 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:16:14
Gosh guys, if you are Kenwright, you would be in arse protection mode right now. His manager has delayed his decision to sign a contract until it's up... well, to me, that sounds like Moyes was substantial and rock solid (Jerry McQuire, show me the money time). Kenwright can't give him that so the groundwork is being laid for his departure to ensure a 'holier than thou' response from Kenwright, being I tried, etc etc,

Prepare crocodile tears...

As for Moyes, think about it for a sec: why on earth was Moyes given such a lucrative salary for an unsuccessful team with no money? His brief had to be, "Keep us in the Premier League and cover my back" — total loyalty. He was paid off in advance for his loyalty disguised as friendship.

I knew the right idea of a friend is what someone can do for me...

Kieran Fitzgerald
811 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:32:53
Christine, you get the impression that each one has outlived his usefulness to the other. Kenwright cannot come up with any more cash, either for transfers or for a new and improved contract for Moyes.

Moyes is becoming less and less like the golden boy as time goes on and the fans and the media are starting to highlight his shortcomings more and more. Kenwright cannot hide behind him for much longer as a result.

For any club, the two people who stand out the most to the public eye are the chairman and the manager. If their co-dependency is not getting them anywhere then they may just decide to call it quits.

Christine Foster
819 Posted 30/03/2013 at 12:51:31
I think the public shows of mutual affection have worn thin, to the point that Moyes is not prepared to take Kenwright's word any more. Kenwright's bluff has been called, so the game is being played out to save face.
Colin Glassar
822 Posted 30/03/2013 at 13:00:23
I heard that BK is already preparing his post-Moyes speech, crocodile tears included. BK has told family and friends that he will give the performance of his life and expects a Bafta nomination at least. Moyes has been told to wear black and nod in agreement. As the ginger one doesn't do tears, eye drops will be provided.
Gareth Fieldstead
998 Posted 31/03/2013 at 00:24:44
Personally I think he is desperate for him to stay. Unbelievably he has the press on side and Moyes will always guarantee a top ten finish. I think like a lot of fans he is worried about the unknown, what if we return to the days of Smith, Kendall (harsh) and Walker, regular relegation battles and lower attendance figures? If he is having difficulties selling the club now can you imagine it under them circumstances? The situation is finalised regarding Moyes surely? Short of CL qualification Moyes will be aware of any transfer budget and he has refused, why delay otherwise? We got to a final and came 5th in 2009, yet the board didn't give him a penny. As for Wigan, Kenwright refused to sack Smith after Tranmere the worst result I had witnessed in 26 years of going the match.

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