The money showed Moyes to Man U, and it's now showing Martinez as a massive favourite:

http://oddschecker.mobi/#_football-football-specials-football-specials-everton-next-permanent-manager

The new manager is a no brainer to me. He has done well wherever he has been, has bags of experience and set things up nicely for Mackay but incredibly is under the radar and not even on the ToffeeWeb poll. He is a safe pair of hands which is what we need and an Evertonian, not a using Scot. Everton were tremendous for Moyes not the other way round as some deluded Evertonians think. No doubt people will citicise the suggestion of David Jones but I am confident he would move us forward with ease. He has one thing the teacherous one didn't have. Common sense

I nearly spat my cornflakes over the monitor when I read that there are Everton fans touting Benitez! If he becomes our manager I'm going to give up following football and take up cross-stitching. FFS!

Lucien Favre is the man.Currently the manager of Borussia Monchengladbach. I like his cv.
Favre's teams play a dynamic, quick and attacking minded football where ball possession and change of tempo alternate. This attractive style of play has brought results in every club he has managed. Furthermore, Favre is very skillful tactically, leaving his opponents struggling to penetrate his well-organized sides.
Favre is also well known for his ability to develop talented young players and introduce them into the first team. Under his leadership, Blerim Džemaili, Almen Abdi, Steve Von Bergen and Gökhan Inler made their debut with the Swiss national team before signing for foreign clubs. In 2007, FC Zürich became Swiss champions with an average age of twenty-one years and a half. He is also credited with raising the game of German starlet Marco Reus whose fine performances procured a call up to the German national team and a high-priced move to league champions Borussia Dortmund.

It would be fantastic to get favre or the porto guy who are both successful and would put some excitement back into this club after 11 boring years. Sadly I cant see the board taking that chance and kenwright will never appoint anyone who wont tow his weak and pathetic line. No lennon and mackay are most likely and where is the excitement in them?

So Favre is your favourite?

People wanting Benitez I find truly mind boggling. Hell why not just appointment Gerrard while your at it!

While my choice would be different the way I see it now, its a straight up fight between Mackay and Martinez. Mackay will be Moyes's choice. Pick a side!

Yes Brin #070 Favre is my favourite.
Will Cuff the Everton Chairman in 1929 said.' Everton should always play football in the scientific way'.
Favre will do that.
I say a British manager would be a disaster!

What is Kenwright's email address?

I want to tell him about Lucien Favre.

Malkey NO!, we need to raid the teams that the manager has now at his disposal. Who on earth are we going to get from Cardiff?. Laudrup or Martinez for me.

Clive,

There is one player Cardiff have who would be perfect for our centre midfield.
Peter Whittingham would do a great job for 2 or 3 years doing the thing our midfield struggles with. Keeping the ball.

OK, here's a crazy idea...

In January, Moyes was tipped the wink that SAF was likely to go at the end of the season (if he won the Premiership) and that he was the leading candidate to replace him. He promptly told BK, who - and this is the crazy part - has been working behind the scenes since then to provisionally book in our new manager; by this point he has agreed to join us and will be announced at the end of the season, as is appropriate.

Why do I suggest that? Well, it accounts for several things... Firstly, although I strongly dislike our chairman (his Hboro memorial speech made me want to puke, and that is no exaggeration) I find it hard to believe that - with Moyes' contract unsigned - he did nothing at all to find a possible replacement. That would be incompetence of the most staggering dimensions. If, as I suggest, DM told him Man Utd had been in touch, etc, and BK still did nothing then his incompetence would be not only staggering but virtually criminal. OK, that is entirely possible. BUT BK is (a) a highly successful theatrical impressario, a businessman who presumably had to be ruthless to get where he is, and (b) a complete operator. Those two things suggest that things may not be as they seem.

So, if he knew, and has already taken steps to find us a new manager (advised from the outset by DM) then his weepy interviews when DM's move to Man Utd was announced were pure fakery. Acting. Is BK capable of that? In my opinion, he is. It was a smokescreen, with a few shiny mirrors thrown in for good effect. The next Everton manager was sorted before SAF's retirement was made public.

Here's another thing that bolsters this scenario. I am of the opinion that DM is a man of honour. I have become increasingly critical of his management, bored by his general dourness and keen for a change, but I don't go with all the Moyes character assassination that's happening on TW at the moment. I think that DM wanted the Man Utd job but also wanted to do the right thing by Everton - a tricky balancing act in the circumstances. In that sense (and that sense only!) I would sign my name to an IMWT petition. I think he is an honest man... unlike BK. But BK is a businessman with professional experience of ducking, diving and making decisions; he is also - all bullshit aside - an Evertonian. It is his job at the club to do a spot of contingency planning. Can he really have epically failed to do just that? Yes, he could have - in which case he should be shot. But maybe that's not what's happened?

I fully realise that what I'm saying is lacking evidence but then again, what evidence is there to support any conjecture at this point? I think what I'm saying hangs together - at least, it makes sense to me...

Simples, put it out to vote amongst ST holders, shareholders etc. Get the players and Moysie to endorse Mackay, and say there is simply no plan B.

The night before the close of the vote, get the Echo to run an impassioned plea from Chloe Green (Phil's too busy, and having been dumped by JLo's ex, she's got the time) as to why this is the most important decision in the history of the club, and at £3m compo, it's "Virtually Free".

Then Bill can wax lyrical on Sky about how it was the fans who made the choice. In other words, our fault.

Kev #106. Not a crazy scenario in my view. Certainly possible.

I' d go for Hoddle. If not then he'd be my man to find the right man.

Brent - I guess what I was saying was that the idea that BK is not a total buffoon - maybe only a 75% buffoon!) is crazy in the context of TW discussions!

Here's another thing... I am sure Man Utd DID have contingency plans in place. They are a well run club and are listed on the New York Stock exchange, which makes such planning legally necessary. They would have insisted on this NOT leaking out from our end before they made an announcement, which EFC would have had to comply with. Maybe SAF's retirement was not definite, only a possibility, which might explain why everyone was surprised even though they were aware it might happen.

Flimsy evidence # 1 called for the defense... Does anyone remember Martinez's immediate response when we were drawn against them in the cup? Wigan had just played a televised 5th round tie and he and some of the players were in front of the camera as the draw was made. When Everton v Wigan was called, Martinez gave an odd little wry smile. There was something strangely secretive about it, as though he knew something. That's what I thought at the time, I'm not inventing it in retrospect. So maybe, just maybe, he'd already had preliminary discussions with us at that point?

I happily admit that I'm relying on a bit of psychological observation here, but it's one way of looking at things, isn't it?

I'm with Roger Trenwith(#050) if its Beneathus I stop watching football and go and watch Roger cross stitch instead. And its Roger Trenwith Roger Trenwith Fc he's by far the greatest cross sticher the world has ever seen.

But back to the "What will Kenwright do?" as Fuck right off isn't one of the options, he should go for continuity but the last time we did that we ended up with Colin Harvey, or Laudrup-but how about a shout for Arry Rednapp

Kev #120 - I thought I was agreeing with you...

What will Kenwright do? Fuck off hopefully.

Yeah, I know you were Brent. I was just trying to clarify the whole crazy/not crazy thing. Crazy people don't know they're crazy, they're too crazy to see it. I admitted that I might be crazy, thereby proving that I am basically not crazy. Anyway, enough craziness...

David - My first pattern is already on standby...

If we had to go for a blue, I'd have Royle back as interim, becoming perm if we're in 5th or above after xmas.

1996/97 can't happen twice, it just can't!

Briefly mentioned at the top, but what about Stuart McCall?

Bettered only by Celtic in the SPL with Motherwell and knows what this club is all about.

The thing is Tamhas we don't have to go for a blue. I keep hearing these ridiculous names mentioned who are not top managers anymore but on the basis that they are Everton fans all we be good. It is a cut throat business and things don't work like that. I am unsure how big an advantage it really is

Ged Dwyer- we are sixth in the prem and your answer to move us forward is to get the journeyman manager of Sheffield Wednesday? bewildering really. You can't be serious can you?

SOme interesting comments regarding Favre. I would add Philippe Montanier who has done a great job at Real SOcieadad to that list as well

I don't think a replacement manager will be appointed soon. BK will leave it till the last minute; a week before the start of the season and pronounce it is all too late to get extra signings in. It fits in with next seasons TV money having already been borrowed against. Any money the new manager will have will be from sales so again little time for him to sort out well thought out buys. Fits in with BK's CV. Total (B)ollock (K)isser

The 4th most successful team in the country, currently 6th in the most high profile league in the world. We've just groomed a manager for one the biggest teams in the world. The side is littered with internationals. Massive, loyal fan base... and we're looking at Malky Ma-Fuckin-kay, Neil Lennon, Martinez etc?

All these managers have one thing in common... they are run-of-the-mill. Oh yeah... and they are shite!

They will not take Everton forward, quite the opposite. This is the level of thinking that we've been fed from this complete joke of a board. We should be looking at the top managers around the world, not these half-wits.

I've said this before, WAKE UP. Stop acting & thinking small time because that's how we come across to everyone. You either want to try & kick on or just stay in the league. Moyes's comment that we should be satisfied with 6th, 7th, 8th was a joke. With each passing year, we get smaller & fall further behind and it's this sort of thinking that causes it.

I hope he doesn't ask Barry Horne or David Unsworth for advice. Just heard Barry Horne say "Owen Coyle"!!?! David Unsworth said he "passionately" believes that he should appoint Alan Stubbs.

Personally, I think he should listen to the fans. After all, if the fans disagree with his choice of manager, not only will the manager be hounded out after a bad run of results, but there'll be a witch hunt for Kenwright. There's a LOT of fans who come across as hating him. If he gets this one wrong, God help him!

What will Kenwright do?

Employ a manager from a small club who he can control while keeping the bed warm for Moyes's return?

Kev (106) - Nor crazy at all. Plausable, all of it.

Whatever the Board decide, they should move quickly as, until they do the focus of attention will be on them & their inadequacies. I'm sure they'd rather shift attention onto the new manager & any transfer activity, etc, as soon as possible.

Calamity Bill will panic a bit, hesitate and appoint Mark Hughes.

How we are relying on him to appoint our manager is beyond belief.

He is so clueless it is unreal.

Bill will wait until deadline day to bring in a manager, so we wont have to make any signings, Baines and Felliani money will go straight to the bank.

Kev 106 and 120 - I think Kenwright's completely incompetent but also a very slippery operator, and in that everything you say could ring true.

Your observation made me smile, I wasn't looking for anything yesterday but when Martinez was doing his lap of honour he had a bit of a rueful smile that for me seemed to say one thing and that was:

'Goodbye'.

Cue Dave Whelan polishing his small print reading glasses.

Wigan need a miracle today after Norwich and Newcastle won, anything other than wins in their last two games against Arsenal and Villa will see that tory pillock Whelan slide his beloved latics like a turd down into the championship. Wonder how he will keep that team with Spurs hovering for McCarthy and the likelihood McManaman and Kone leaving too.

Big summer ahead. If we can get close to £25 to 30m for Fellaini and Heitinga plus around £250k+ a week off the wage bill from Neville, Moyes, Fellaini and Heitinga, I see no reason why can't get some good quality in and maintain our top 6 push.

We've got to sign better than we've got. We've got to push ahead buying young up and coming, and not sticking our bottom lip out when the big boys come knocking.

Please can we drum up a campaign to NOT appoint Hughes. This is urgent because, if he is appointed, I am sorry to have to say, for the disastrous period that he would be in charge, I would have to turn my back on Everton. (I never ever thought I would say that but he will ruin us.)

The twat is a mercenary, says all the right things (like he's doing now) and I've got a horrible horrible feeling BK will fall for this non-scoring ex-'Evertonian'.

He left Wales for the big bucks of Blackburn at the time, and was never charismatic enough for Man City; they couldn't wait to get rid at the end, could they.

He had a massive hand in relegating QPR even with all that money available and just used Fulham as a stepping stone to keep his pocket lined and his hand in.

I know a lot of you end your posts with 'we're Everton FFS' alluding to culture and integrity etc., well Hughes has never demonstrated any of that.

A Mr Trenwith has a post on here stating 'anyone but Hughes' — I agree, so come on everyone... HELP!!

Its not too far fetched to think that Martinez has already been sounded out and/or agreed.

But I know BK will love the sound of Mackay because he's cheap and British and he can argue it went alright last time in case he gets stick. He's always playing to an audience. (Which isn't a crime when u r an actor but its not business like which is his biggest flaw)

Lucien Favre.

An utter maverick, which may explain why the big boys haven't taken a punt, but everywhere he has gone he has he has taken on and beaten the established order. He possesses the mentality that was sadly lacking in Moyes and if he came, and had a few quid, he could smash through Moyes' self imposed glass ceiling.

Mark Pierpoint - I despair of people like you. Using the word journeyman makes David Jones a poor manager does it? Sheffield Wednesday makes him a poor manager does it? When he took them on they were on the verge of getting relegated from Div 1 and by the end of the season he had won them promotion, something most Premiership manages would struggle to do. His track record shows he can do the business at any level and does not make him a 'journeyman'. Look at his record it beats most of the other names mentioned.

I agree, Ged. Jones wouldn't top my list but I'd prefer him to some of the current names floating 'round. Interestingly enough, Jones says in his book that the very first person to contact him to congratulate him on winning the court case against him was none other than ... Bill Kenwright. So Bill's obviously got his number & is on friendly terms with the guy - you just never know ...

Really like the Favre shout Andrew. Outside the box. Wouldn't mind that at all.

Jim #132 That's the best possible scenario. Bill probably thinks Lucien Favre is the former American Football player.

Honestly, I hate the man but the Fat Spanish Waiter is the most qualified person to take over. Laudrup is my first choice but I would have Benitez ahead of the rest of the names being mentioned.

I agree with-Kev Johnson, This has been known for a while, Fergie wins the title he was going, and in comes Mr Moyes, if Fergie stays so does Moyes.
I agree with Moyes replacement has also been highlighted and interviewed, whatever negatives Bill Kenwright has, he is at the end of the day a successfull busnissman, he did ot become successful without being prepared for the future.
I would love to see Lucien Favre come in, he has brought success and stability to every club he as been at, as well as developing youth prospects. I beleive he will offer both an attacking free flowing football and maintaining our hard to beat "Moyes Philosophy". Whilst also utilising the youth players we have in the likes of Barkley etc

"Moyes philosophy"
I didn't know he had one to be honest.

Unfortunately we can't bring back james beattie. He's accrington's new manager.

Billy liar will do what he always does. He will hide and hope things sort themselves out.

Does anybody believe that Kenwright is capable of handling this situation with competence, dignity and clarity?

His public utterances are beyond embarrassing.

The man has been involved in acting, directing and production for all of his professional life.

Therefore he should be able to handle some simple on-camera questions, yet he comes across as an incoherent, blubbering fool.

Can you conceive of a situation in which he will ask a prospective Everton manager searching, relevant and meaningful questions?

I love Everton Football Club. I admit I wanted David Moyes to leave but now that it has happened and the focus is 100% on Kenwright I am very, very, concerned.

Rijkaard?

Mourinho

Capello?

Mancini?

Sven.

Roeder?

Mancini.. Good shout. And with pip as his assistant I can see the future being full of trophies

This thread has degenerated into one word posts. Come on, lads, make an effort.

Alan Stubbs - 2 words.

Very clever, Brent (3 words)

Sorry, Kev, being a smartarse (that's 5 so out of sequence - unless part of the Fibonacci series).

Fibonacci - doesn't he favour a 1-2-3-5 formation? It's adventurous, I'll give him that, but I worry we might concede a few with him in charge.

Ah! Good one, Kev! Unless it's in reverse (what, 5 goalies? catanaccio gone mad). I love the way you can identify the Fibonacci series in things such as Limericks.

Kev, "Fibonacci - doesn't he favour a 1-2-3-5 formation?" Jeez the more I think about that the more I see the beauty in it. Do you think we've stumbled on the new golden formation? The Johnson / Stephens formation. Competes with the Duckworth Lewis formula.

Not a BK fan but to say his public utterances are embarrassing is a bit rich. His speech at Anfield was pitch perfect and the TV interview where he was basically hi-jacked was truthful and direct.

Wait and see before you climb into him ... we may get a good 'un.

Oh wait, this is ToffeeWeb and the culture of complaint rules with some- even before decisions are made!

In Someone We Trust? (Or 'hope'?)

Spragg - laughed my left tit off at "In Someone We Trust"! - ISWT!

In all honesty, Brent, I think it's been done. I would heartily recommend a book called "Inverting The Pyramid: a history of football tactics" by Jonathan Wilson. As the title suggests, it tells the story of footie formations from an original 2-3-5 (excluding the keeper) to a modern defense-loaded set up such as a 5-3-2. Brilliant book. Stick it on your Xmas list, mate!

It's on my list! But if people on TW can keep saying the same thing on here, why can't we? OK, I'll just buy it (read it).

It seems that there's also a Fibonacci link to football betting. Google it.

Bring back 2-3-5. Plenty of goals and player positions that I can understand ! None of this new-fangled nonsense :0) And don't get me started on zonal marking or short corners.......

I think billy should bring back the boys pen. He could stand in the middle of all the kiddies and gently weep on match days.

I have already touted Lucien Favre, now I will add Vitor Pereira.
Both have a great philosophy about the way the game should be played.
BK remember the School of Science!

Poyet quit last night immediately after the game, he's keen to manage in the Prem and Brighton's failure to get there has apparently forced his hand and he'll be going all out for the Everton job....

James I know he said he wouldn't hang around if Brighton can't match his ambition but he hasn't to my knowledge quit as yet. I'm not sure he'll be the right guy as he doesn't seem to be the type that will last if things get tough. I think it will be Mackay for a number of reasons not least the Philip Green has some interest in Watford and Mackay used to manage them.

Bill might surprise us all yet. He might calculate that Moyes could die on his arse in his new job and be out by Christmas, especially if they are fourth and out of the CL. Maybe he could go for a 12 month rolling contract on someone like Trappatoni at Ireland. I know he's old but his club record is fantastic and how he got that Irish to the Euros last year I will never know.
I know they got battered there but it was no disgrace getting stuffed by Spain and Italy.

This current team should be in the CL places when you think of the points we pissed up the wall this season. An organiser like Trapp might be enough to get us over the line.

BK might reason that should Moyes come available again that Trapp could shuffle off and it could be like deja vu all over again!

Ed James, if that's the case then I'd prefer jupp heynckes. He's won the league in Spain and Germany and he's younger than Von Trapp. Won't happen though, we need a manager with a mid to long term strategy.

Heynckes has retired, hence Guardiola taking over at Bayern

Ed, Trappatoni is long past it and his style of play is atrocious. Last match I saw, he got Ireland to shut up shop for the whole of the second half against a very mediocre Austria side that were there for the taking and inevitably got caught out.

He'd rather play a championship hoofer like Paul Green than a ball player like Wes Hoolahan. The only reason he is still here is that the IFA can't afford to release him from his contract. His brand of football is: lump it forward to a target man while the midfield is too deep to support.

Constantly talks down the Irish team to make excuses for not beating a big team at home. He couldn't even be bothered to watch young prospects at club level and had to be told by the Irish FA to do this aspect of his job. Again, the brand of football he plays is not just bad, but completely unwatchable. A thousand times no to the Trap.

Who suggested Trapattoni? He is the ultimate football dinosaur, the reason he failed miserably with Italy and Ireland is that he still plays a negative catanaccio style of football that is about 70 years out of date.