Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
We Know Our History and Only The Best Is Good Enough
I moved to Perth in November last year, loving the fact each morning was like waking up on holiday, with blistering heat and a laid back lifestyle but missing the march towards Goodison on gameday. The adrenalin rush as Z-Cars blasts through the speakers and the team run out. Watching away games on a pub screen and being surrounded by Blues, still I haven't missed a game this season, driving my girlfriend crazy, screaming at a tiny TV screen at 3am in the morning, and I am always on the TW site looking at how we as a whole are feeling. Strangely, with recent events I find myself looking at our situation with higher expectations than ever before.
For a while now, we have been the nearly team: nearly winning cups, nearly qualifying for continental football, nearly advancing the next young talent or nearly signing stars as they approach their peak. But we have always been in the mix. The reason many outsiders rated Moyes so highly is that the structure he built into EFC was to stabilize us as a team that, 9 times out of 10, compete with whoever we would be playing. We are consistent and challenging.
When looking at a new managers, opinions are divided – and that in itself is a problem. I personally want us to break the current ideal that huge investors are required and that cheating and intimidating the ref is acceptable by big clubs. I believe that League titles and European glory can be achieved by traditional clubs. I don't feel there is a team out there more capable of doing that right now.
That platform is there for something special. We have a coaching team with more than enough Premier League playing experience; if Pip Neville stays on also, even better. Our Youth teams have performed very well this season with talent apparent and I for one feel this is a great opportunity to kick on. Moyes did what he needed to for us; the next step is to employ a visionary manager who builds on that stability and adds that extra bit of magic.
I know it's a bit romantic of me, but I believe somewhere out there is a superstar manager – proven – who shares my notion, and wants to make history with a club that has not lost its identity and integrity whilst others melt into the common, bland and fickle...
I only hope the names being thrown around are due to bookies underestimating our potential and that BK (if you do read on here Bill, take note) sees this as the biggest and most important signing he has ever had to make.
Get it wrong and a generation of work will have been wasted,
Get it right and we can become the Everton we deserve....
Ash Coakley, Posted 16/05/2013 at 12:34:36
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444 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:31:28
447 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:48:36
451 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:48:45
454 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:49:08
After all Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and the rest have all changed managers some more frequently than others, but they have all kept their identities no matter how high the profile of the outgoing manager. For some people Everton are seen as David Moyes and that cannot be allowed to happen again, we are Everton a club that means a lot to many people and we should never forget that and as such we need a manager who represents the club and its aspirations whoever that may be.
457 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:04:06
Martinez, no thanks. Not good enough. He is a patchy manager, although I accept that there are considerable mitigating circumstances. You don't hear to much about his coaching methods and devotion to the job, other than from what Whelan says, which is as believable as the words from our own beloved chairman.
Mackay is someone Cardiff fans tell me they will not be sad to see the back of. Which tells me all I need to know. Apparently he's a Moyes-lite type amanger who does little to excite.
My top 3 are all obtainable and realistic:-
1. Bielsa
2. Benitez
3. Peirera
All are actually top coaches and could do a lot with the current side without much investment.
458 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:11:38
A good manager perhaps, but we resent certain managers due to their personality and rightly so in my opinion.
Strange then that you would call Lennon hateful. The Champions League group with Barcelona and Benfica wasn't two-horsed.
Pereira or Poyet for me.
464 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:21:10
Benitez is mental, we all know that, but I quite like that in a person! He may be bitter but he sticks to his guns, and that's a fine quality for a manager to have. He backs his players and they respect him, he takes no shit and doesn't care who he upsets. He's my kind of manager. The Chelsea players have had nothing but good things to say about him, and he gets results - that, in my opinion is the biggest factor here, winning games.
467 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:30:35
468 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:19:24
Eleven years ago, we were a perennial bottom-ten club, unrecognisable from the mid-Eighties legends.
Moyes duly delivered a decade of top-seven finishes and restored some sanity back at the club.
Thanks to that, the complaint over these past few years has revolved around our inabilty to crack the top-four under him.
Although Benitez is a good shout, I doubt many can get past the Liverpool FC affiliation; but that is the ideal standard for me.
My fear however, is that Kenwright just isn't thinking that big.
469 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:32:53
That could be one interpretation. It might also be possible that some are looking to one of those three because they'd be more likely to bring us "success", regardless of the style of play. Maybe a mix of both?
471 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:36:58
472 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:38:48
Holding grudges is not helpful to anyone, and this is 21st century football, not the 70's.
I would counter everything I've said, and contradict myself somewhat by saying the chances of it being Benitez, are probably slim to none!
He's still the best man for the job, in my opinion.
476 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:48:09
478 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:46:31
482 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:00:16
Little hideous shitbag Lennon is now leader of the pack.
NO
Neil Lennon 11/4
Roberto Martinez 3/1
Alan Stubbs 6/1
Gus Poyet 8/1
Malky Mackay 20/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 25/1
Vitor Pereira 25/1
Mark Hughes 28/1
Phil Neville 28/1
Rafael Benitez 40/1
Michael Laudrup 40/1
Duncan Ferguson 40/1
Peter Reid 250/1 –
504 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:41:24
507 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:45:35
Jus sayin, like...
515 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:53:06
Thats a good point. So I'm thinking we all start laying a few quid on Periera...his odds start too tumble...the tabloids pick up the story...it goes national and we basically railroad Pereira through the gates of Goodison. Yes we can!
517 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:58:26
519 Posted 16/05/2013 at 17:01:05
Have you looked at the list?
521 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:59:51
Of all the candidates he is the most experienced, lives locally, would love to stick it up the reds, and just imagine the furore from tha dark side if we were to get him. Unlike Moyes, he does know how to win a game that must be won!
528 Posted 16/05/2013 at 17:20:06
Yes, I've looked at lots of other lists too - none of them cheer me up sadly....
542 Posted 16/05/2013 at 17:52:09
Let's get Rafa.
544 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:20:04
549 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:28:31
Hughes
McKay
Beneathus
Neville
Stubbsy
Big Dunc
O'Neil
'arry
Big Sam
NO.
Martinez
Pereira
Zola
Hoddle
Lambert
Poyet
Jorge Jesus
YES.
552 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:49:03
Or is this just another name at the head of the list, to be replaced by another in a few days?
555 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:54:11
I think he would scare the shit out of billy.
559 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:02:50
564 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:14:04
566 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:04:09
You say that to a lot of people saw David Moyes as the club, and was promoted by the media over and above the club - you do not want this to happen again.
I would disagree. If this happens, it means something is going right. You mention Utd still holding their identity. Before Ferguson they were 26 year nobodies and everything they are today is because of him.
Wegner too at Arsenal - he is the club.
Chelsea, Mourinho... In fact it is Abramovic's billions that keep the club successful. He is the club's identity. Man City don't have one - they haven't had the level of success to make such a name.
Liverpool? If they had a manager above their name, they wouldn't be where they are now. In fact Shankly is all you ever hear about. Clough is all Nottingham Forrest will ever be. Revie, Leeds.
The fans and the club only bare witness to success, and that will be brought by the manager. If he's around for a long time and becomes revered, he will take on the club's identity. Names are made on the back of success and hopefully the name of our next manager will become huge... the club is merely the vehicle to provide that success.
That Moyes achieved it by finishing 5th and 6th etc, is a sign of the times. Modern day football. Perhaps in the same way Dario Gradi is Crew. Its all comparative but if the new managers name becomes bigger than the club I will look forward to the day!
577 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:34:51
581 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:42:35
591 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:47:57
Kenwright has sold all the assets and run up a massive debt. He's no idea how to run a business or a football club. Another £9M loss last season. This situation cannot go on much longer before something gives and I fear for our future with that clown in charge.
596 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:02:56
He has won things when inheriting good teams. He inherited the CL champions in Inter and destroyed the team in a few months. He inherited the CL champions in Chelsea and scabbed the Europa league.
The only thing that will unify both sets of supporters when we play our game against Chelsea at the weekend will be a shared animosity against Benitez.
No a thousand times
600 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:08:36
Why would he come to Everton?
Why would we want him?
601 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:21:36
604 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:33:37
Has been said before "he would win us something"
605 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:34:24
639 Posted 16/05/2013 at 22:01:17
If Moyse recommends the next coach, surely he will pick a clone of himself. How many of you want that? Because I don't. I don't think we need that much change in Staff and with the likes of Oveiado, Duffy, Barklley and Velios with say 2 forwards, midfielder and goalie I think we'll do ok.
647 Posted 16/05/2013 at 22:09:36
If you combined the achievements of the entire list of wannabees not one of them comes anywhere near.
I think it was myself who first raised his name as a candidate and nothing I have read on this or any other forum has named a better alternative.
A few words he spruiked in support of the RS have really got up the nose of some people and for that sole reason they do not want him.
I wish Moyes had sometimes spoke on our behalf in similar fashion but Davy was probably more concerned with not blotting his Manure copybook.
One thing Rafa did at Analfield was Kow Tow to the yanks yet that more than anything would not endear him to Blue Bill's boardroom cronies.
724 Posted 17/05/2013 at 04:18:34
730 Posted 17/05/2013 at 06:03:59
BK is just covering his arse so that he has someone else to blame when the choice turns out to be wrong and unpopular.
It's the same stunt he pulled with Desperation Kirkby.
731 Posted 17/05/2013 at 06:08:33
The same ones that told him the (alleged) new badge is great?
739 Posted 17/05/2013 at 06:17:00
777 Posted 17/05/2013 at 09:54:09
795 Posted 17/05/2013 at 10:01:48
814 Posted 17/05/2013 at 11:48:06
898 Posted 17/05/2013 at 15:49:37
066 Posted 17/05/2013 at 21:43:28
In reality he wouldn't be interested and neither should we. Hateful character.
101 Posted 17/05/2013 at 23:47:49
1982 in Grasmere seems such a long time ago now........................
150 Posted 18/05/2013 at 08:49:02
"I know it's a bit romantic of me, but I believe somewhere out there is a superstar manager – proven – who shares my notion, and wants to make history with a club that has not lost its identity and integrity whilst others melt into the common, bland and fickle..."
It's much easier for any manager to succeed with bucket loads of money in this day and age - Man City proved that (eventually).
But to be a really great manager and write your name in the history books you have to do something out of the ordinary.
Thats what Sir Alex Ferguson did at Man Utd, restore a great football club, with a great tradition back to the top of the pile.
We need someone "special". Perhaps the name of the manager you are looking for is Jose Morinho.
Can you imagine what he could do at Everton. I suspect if you offered him Glory or money at this stage of his career, I would back him in to take the Glory and I reckon he has got a lot of respect for Everton Football Club and its fans.
Get on the blower Bill - the "special one" might up for it.
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441 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:35:09
He's won 25 games since Wigan have been in the Premiership - that's 6 games a season, yet everyone thinks he's a great manager. He isn't.
Laudrup won't leave Swansea - why would he when the just won a cup and will play in Europe next season?
Lennon - awful character, hateful little man with a rose-tinted record in a 2 horse (now 1-horse) race in Scotland.
Phil Neville - no experience at all = bad choice.
Rafa Benitez gets my vote, along with the other 5% on here according to the poll. He has all the attributes required, regardless of the RS connection and his occasional meldtdowns & outbursts - I like his passion and he's a very good manager. His family live on the Wirraland he's a proven winner looking for a job in England - name me a better placed/bigger club in the Premier League that's looking for a manager? Yes, it's us.
Controversial for the majority, but if people could put the past behind them, and let bygones be bygones, he's the best man for the job by a country mile.