We Know Our History and Only The Best Is Good Enough

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I moved to Perth in November last year, loving the fact each morning was like waking up on holiday, with blistering heat and a laid back lifestyle but missing the march towards Goodison on gameday. The adrenalin rush as Z-Cars blasts through the speakers and the team run out. Watching away games on a pub screen and being surrounded by Blues, still I haven't missed a game this season, driving my girlfriend crazy, screaming at a tiny TV screen at 3am in the morning, and I am always on the TW site looking at how we as a whole are feeling. Strangely, with recent events I find myself looking at our situation with higher expectations than ever before.

For a while now, we have been the nearly team: nearly winning cups, nearly qualifying for continental football, nearly advancing the next young talent or nearly signing stars as they approach their peak. But we have always been in the mix. The reason many outsiders rated Moyes so highly is that the structure he built into EFC was to stabilize us as a team that, 9 times out of 10, compete with whoever we would be playing. We are consistent and challenging.

When looking at a new managers, opinions are divided – and that in itself is a problem. I personally want us to break the current ideal that huge investors are required and that cheating and intimidating the ref is acceptable by big clubs. I believe that League titles and European glory can be achieved by traditional clubs. I don't feel there is a team out there more capable of doing that right now.

That platform is there for something special. We have a coaching team with more than enough Premier League playing experience; if Pip Neville stays on also, even better. Our Youth teams have performed very well this season with talent apparent and I for one feel this is a great opportunity to kick on. Moyes did what he needed to for us; the next step is to employ a visionary manager who builds on that stability and adds that extra bit of magic.

I know it's a bit romantic of me, but I believe somewhere out there is a superstar manager – proven – who shares my notion, and wants to make history with a club that has not lost its identity and integrity whilst others melt into the common, bland and fickle...

I only hope the names being thrown around are due to bookies underestimating our potential and that BK (if you do read on here Bill, take note) sees this as the biggest and most important signing he has ever had to make.

Get it wrong and a generation of work will have been wasted,

Get it right and we can become the Everton we deserve....

Ash Coakley, Perth, Australia     Posted 16/05/2013 at 12:34:36

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James Marshall
441 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:35:09
As long as the massively overrated Martinez doesn't get it, I'll be happy.

He's won 25 games since Wigan have been in the Premiership - that's 6 games a season, yet everyone thinks he's a great manager. He isn't.

Laudrup won't leave Swansea - why would he when the just won a cup and will play in Europe next season?

Lennon - awful character, hateful little man with a rose-tinted record in a 2 horse (now 1-horse) race in Scotland.

Phil Neville - no experience at all = bad choice.

Rafa Benitez gets my vote, along with the other 5% on here according to the poll. He has all the attributes required, regardless of the RS connection and his occasional meldtdowns & outbursts - I like his passion and he's a very good manager. His family live on the Wirraland he's a proven winner looking for a job in England - name me a better placed/bigger club in the Premier League that's looking for a manager? Yes, it's us.

Controversial for the majority, but if people could put the past behind them, and let bygones be bygones, he's the best man for the job by a country mile.

Gavin Wadeson
444 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:31:28
I don't actually think that opinions are that divided over the new manager. Kenwright said that he would listen to the fans, but he wouldn't be looking for them to provide him with a specific name. Instead, he would be looking for Evertonians to provide him with a 'feel' of what type of manager they wanted. In this respect, you could argue that we are united in the type of manager we want.; a young, non-British coach, playing school of science football ....and, unlike Moyes, the ability to win a trophy on a shoestring budget!
Kev Johnson
447 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:48:36
A total of 50% of all people polled went for Laudrup, Martinez or Pereira - three managers who couldn't be further away from Moyes in terms of playing style. So, that's what BK should take away from it - that people do NOT want a Moyes Mark II.
Gary Reeves
451 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:48:45
James Marshall. I take your point about Martinez's record, James, but c'mon Wigan in the Prem for 8 years counts for something. They're hardly a club who're going to attract the top-notch players (even if they had money) so they've got to rely on good organization and talent spotting. They've moved on their best players in recent seasons, so it's a credit to Martinez that they've hung around so long. I'd give him a go!
Patrick Murphy
454 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:49:08
What we really need is a manager who promotes the club and doesn't allow himself to be the centre of everything, which in these media driven sound-bite days is difficult. I don't think DM actively courted the publicity for himself but he was promoted by the media over and above the club, and somehow ended up being the club to a lot of people.

After all Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and the rest have all changed managers some more frequently than others, but they have all kept their identities no matter how high the profile of the outgoing manager. For some people Everton are seen as David Moyes and that cannot be allowed to happen again, we are Everton a club that means a lot to many people and we should never forget that and as such we need a manager who represents the club and its aspirations whoever that may be.

Steve Ferns
457 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:04:06
Laudrup is a myth. The guy was okay at Getafe, and sacked or jumped before pushed at his other jobs. What's he really done at Swansea? Michu has been an excellent signing, but he appeared to carry the side early on, and since Christmas, it seems like everyone has figured Swansea out and that they have been largely ineffective. For me, next season is the one for Laudrup to prove he's a good manager. For £10m compo, I just have not seen enough quality.

Martinez, no thanks. Not good enough. He is a patchy manager, although I accept that there are considerable mitigating circumstances. You don't hear to much about his coaching methods and devotion to the job, other than from what Whelan says, which is as believable as the words from our own beloved chairman.

Mackay is someone Cardiff fans tell me they will not be sad to see the back of. Which tells me all I need to know. Apparently he's a Moyes-lite type amanger who does little to excite.

My top 3 are all obtainable and realistic:-
1. Bielsa
2. Benitez
3. Peirera

All are actually top coaches and could do a lot with the current side without much investment.

Shane Corcoran
458 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:11:38
James, Benitez is a bitter man. He found it difficult to say a good word about Ferguson's or Moyes's achievements recently.
A good manager perhaps, but we resent certain managers due to their personality and rightly so in my opinion.
Strange then that you would call Lennon hateful. The Champions League group with Barcelona and Benfica wasn't two-horsed.
Pereira or Poyet for me.
James Marshall
464 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:21:10
I can't stand Lennon for many reasons, some of them political, but this isn't a place for that kind of talk.

Benitez is mental, we all know that, but I quite like that in a person! He may be bitter but he sticks to his guns, and that's a fine quality for a manager to have. He backs his players and they respect him, he takes no shit and doesn't care who he upsets. He's my kind of manager. The Chelsea players have had nothing but good things to say about him, and he gets results - that, in my opinion is the biggest factor here, winning games.

Kevin Tully
467 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:30:35
Benitez is just leaving one job where the fans didn't want him - there is no way on earth he would consider coming to Everton.

Kevin Hudson
468 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:19:24
Whoever the new man is, he's facing massive expectations I would have thought.

Eleven years ago, we were a perennial bottom-ten club, unrecognisable from the mid-Eighties legends.

Moyes duly delivered a decade of top-seven finishes and restored some sanity back at the club.

Thanks to that, the complaint over these past few years has revolved around our inabilty to crack the top-four under him.

Although Benitez is a good shout, I doubt many can get past the Liverpool FC affiliation; but that is the ideal standard for me.

My fear however, is that Kenwright just isn't thinking that big.

Brent Stephens
469 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:32:53
Kev #447. "A total of 50% of all people polled went for Laudrup, Martinez or Pereira - three managers who couldn't be further away from Moyes in terms of playing style. So, that's what BK should take away from it - that people do NOT want a Moyes Mark II".

That could be one interpretation. It might also be possible that some are looking to one of those three because they'd be more likely to bring us "success", regardless of the style of play. Maybe a mix of both?

John Gee
471 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:36:58
There are 7 billion shaven monkeys on this rock, if we can't find someone more suitable than Benitez then I'm topping myself.... FACT!
James Marshall
472 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:38:48
Agreed that Benitez wouldn't be popular at first, but most Chelsea fans have grown-up and got over it and so could ours.

Holding grudges is not helpful to anyone, and this is 21st century football, not the 70's.

I would counter everything I've said, and contradict myself somewhat by saying the chances of it being Benitez, are probably slim to none!

He's still the best man for the job, in my opinion.

Kevin Tully
476 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:48:09
Sorry James, forgot to add Benitez will also want top wages, probably more than D.M. was ever on.
Brian Harrison
478 Posted 16/05/2013 at 15:46:31
No doubt Benitez knows what he is doing but could you imagine 2 years after appointing him Liverpool sack Rodgers and come for Benitez and no doubt who he would choose. Also our transfer budjet would be too small for Benitez.
Paul Ferry
482 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:00:16
Seven wounds of Christ.

Little hideous shitbag Lennon is now leader of the pack.

NO

Neil Lennon 11/4
Roberto Martinez 3/1
Alan Stubbs 6/1
Gus Poyet 8/1
Malky Mackay 20/1
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer 25/1
Vitor Pereira 25/1
Mark Hughes 28/1
Phil Neville 28/1
Rafael Benitez 40/1
Michael Laudrup 40/1
Duncan Ferguson 40/1
Peter Reid 250/1 –

Brian Harrison
504 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:41:24
I have to say I haven't met 1 Evertonian who has said Neil Lennon, so who is betting on him to get the job. Unless all the Rangers fans are on a wind up, would be interested to know how much money the bookies have taken in bets not a lot I would imagine.
James Marshall
507 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:45:35
Benitez has said he's interested in either a top job with money to spend, or (his words) a 'project' which seems to suggest a longer term, challenging role..

Jus sayin, like...

Brendan McLaughlin
515 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:53:06
Brian #504
Thats a good point. So I'm thinking we all start laying a few quid on Periera...his odds start too tumble...the tabloids pick up the story...it goes national and we basically railroad Pereira through the gates of Goodison. Yes we can!
James Marshall
517 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:58:26
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd never even heard of Periera until the bookies started going on about him....I can't help wondering why everyone thinks he's the best man for the job.
Brendan McLaughlin
519 Posted 16/05/2013 at 17:01:05
James #517
Have you looked at the list?
John Wingrove
521 Posted 16/05/2013 at 16:59:51
Hey lads, E-Mail Rafa yourselves and tell him we'd like him on board. web site = segaisuk@rafabenitez.com

Of all the candidates he is the most experienced, lives locally, would love to stick it up the reds, and just imagine the furore from tha dark side if we were to get him. Unlike Moyes, he does know how to win a game that must be won!

James Marshall
528 Posted 16/05/2013 at 17:20:06
Brendan#519

Yes, I've looked at lots of other lists too - none of them cheer me up sadly....

Ste Traverse
542 Posted 16/05/2013 at 17:52:09
Forget these no-marks. Let's get a top manager in. He's available soon, lives on Merseyside and is a proven winner.

Let's get Rafa.

Ray Roche
544 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:20:04
Rafa. I never thought I'd hear that. But preferable to Lennon. (I'd sooner have McCartney)
Colin Glassar
549 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:28:31
Lennon
Hughes
McKay
Beneathus
Neville
Stubbsy
Big Dunc
O'Neil
'arry
Big Sam

NO.

Martinez
Pereira
Zola
Hoddle
Lambert
Poyet
Jorge Jesus

YES.

John Ford
552 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:49:03
Is there anything around, events, meetings, reports that anyone knows about that would explain Lennon being place as favourite for the job?

Or is this just another name at the head of the list, to be replaced by another in a few days?

Colin Glassar
555 Posted 16/05/2013 at 18:54:11
It's probably thousands of Celtic supporters placing bets on Lennon hoping he will go. Wtf we would want someone like him I haven't got a clue.
I think he would scare the shit out of billy.
Sam Hoare
559 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:02:50
Possibly just rumours linking Martinez with the Malaga job instead.
Paul Gladwell
564 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:14:04
Why would Benitez want to get one up on those reds? The man still loves them as shown when he refused to slag rat boy off, also he would never chance wrecking his CV with taking a job that means he would have to work hard due to the lack of funds he would get.
Nick Entwistle
566 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:04:09
Patrick,

You say that to a lot of people saw David Moyes as the club, and was promoted by the media over and above the club - you do not want this to happen again.

I would disagree. If this happens, it means something is going right. You mention Utd still holding their identity. Before Ferguson they were 26 year nobodies and everything they are today is because of him.

Wegner too at Arsenal - he is the club.

Chelsea, Mourinho... In fact it is Abramovic's billions that keep the club successful. He is the club's identity. Man City don't have one - they haven't had the level of success to make such a name.

Liverpool? If they had a manager above their name, they wouldn't be where they are now. In fact Shankly is all you ever hear about. Clough is all Nottingham Forrest will ever be. Revie, Leeds.

The fans and the club only bare witness to success, and that will be brought by the manager. If he's around for a long time and becomes revered, he will take on the club's identity. Names are made on the back of success and hopefully the name of our next manager will become huge... the club is merely the vehicle to provide that success.

That Moyes achieved it by finishing 5th and 6th etc, is a sign of the times. Modern day football. Perhaps in the same way Dario Gradi is Crew. Its all comparative but if the new managers name becomes bigger than the club I will look forward to the day!

John Crawley
577 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:34:51
Benitez is a brilliant tactician in those important games, he's one of the very best but he just isn't very good in the transfer market. When you consider Everton's budget and were we will be competing you need to be very good in the transfer market and he isn't. Plus he's also another negative manager and I've had enough of that with Moyes.
Ross Edwards
581 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:42:35
I can imagine the facts rant at Rodgers next season can't you?
Clive Rogers
591 Posted 16/05/2013 at 19:47:57
The first priority for Kenwright is that the new man will have to be cheap. It's obvious he's looking to save on Moyes's wages and won't want to pay a signing fee.

Kenwright has sold all the assets and run up a massive debt. He's no idea how to run a business or a football club. Another £9M loss last season. This situation cannot go on much longer before something gives and I fear for our future with that clown in charge.

Ray Said
596 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:02:56
No to Benitez. Overrated by most and and hated by almost everyone outside the reds fans.
He has won things when inheriting good teams. He inherited the CL champions in Inter and destroyed the team in a few months. He inherited the CL champions in Chelsea and scabbed the Europa league.

The only thing that will unify both sets of supporters when we play our game against Chelsea at the weekend will be a shared animosity against Benitez.
No a thousand times

Steve Pugh
600 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:08:36
Benitez called Everton a small club. He only ever goes to clubs in Europe and already capable of winning in Europe. Chelsea fans don't want him, despite winning the Europa.

Why would he come to Everton?

Why would we want him?

Jeremy Benson
601 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:21:36
Can't ever forgive Benitez for what he has said about us in the past. No class whatsoever.

Eric Holland
604 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:33:37
Benitez would do me, above all the other unproven names at the top of the list.
Has been said before "he would win us something"
Lee Mandaracas
605 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:34:24
@ John Gee (471) - Hilarious and yet absolutely spot on.
Jack Cross
639 Posted 16/05/2013 at 22:01:17
Who will and who wont manage the blues well we certainly wont be having any say in it. When was the last time BK asked any of us how to run things? It sounds good on the TV when he is being interviewed. We all know what a shit actor he was that's why we can see right through him.

If Moyse recommends the next coach, surely he will pick a clone of himself. How many of you want that? Because I don't. I don't think we need that much change in Staff and with the likes of Oveiado, Duffy, Barklley and Velios with say 2 forwards, midfielder and goalie I think we'll do ok.

Dick Fearon
647 Posted 16/05/2013 at 22:09:36
Rafa has stated he wants to stay in England, he must be worth a punt.
If you combined the achievements of the entire list of wannabees not one of them comes anywhere near.
I think it was myself who first raised his name as a candidate and nothing I have read on this or any other forum has named a better alternative.
A few words he spruiked in support of the RS have really got up the nose of some people and for that sole reason they do not want him.
I wish Moyes had sometimes spoke on our behalf in similar fashion but Davy was probably more concerned with not blotting his Manure copybook.
One thing Rafa did at Analfield was Kow Tow to the yanks yet that more than anything would not endear him to Blue Bill's boardroom cronies.
Steve Carter
724 Posted 17/05/2013 at 04:18:34
Haha Ash, you're really on the horns of a dilemma aren't you. Cottesloe, or maybe Freeo and then off to the Perth Glory...or the Winslow on a dank December day in L4.
Eric Myles
730 Posted 17/05/2013 at 06:03:59
Gavin #444 "Kenwright said that he would listen to the fans"

BK is just covering his arse so that he has someone else to blame when the choice turns out to be wrong and unpopular.

It's the same stunt he pulled with Desperation Kirkby.

Eric Myles
731 Posted 17/05/2013 at 06:08:33
And what fans will he listen to?

The same ones that told him the (alleged) new badge is great?

Eric Myles
739 Posted 17/05/2013 at 06:17:00
Maybe all those that want the FSW will sing some nice songs to him next game to make him feel loved and wanted and willing to come to us?
Jon Withey
777 Posted 17/05/2013 at 09:54:09
Benitez left Liverpool with a load of expensive dross. We can afford that even less than them.
Ged Simpson
795 Posted 17/05/2013 at 10:01:48
Still like the idea of the West Brom manager
John Ford
814 Posted 17/05/2013 at 11:48:06
I agree Ged. We must be the 2%!
Chris Hannon
898 Posted 17/05/2013 at 15:49:37
The likes of clarke would bring more stagnation, we would never be in danger of a horrendous season but never close to top four/six! We need a winner! Bielsa or Pererria are the only ones mentioned who are suitable in my book!
Charles Barrow
066 Posted 17/05/2013 at 21:43:28
I would like Benitez as manager just to witness the RS hysterics, confusion and hypocrisy.

In reality he wouldn't be interested and neither should we. Hateful character.

Stephen Sulliven
101 Posted 17/05/2013 at 23:47:49
Ash, If you meet a lady (must be 52 now) by the name of Janice Harse (I used to ask if she had a brother name Sly) then send her my regards.

1982 in Grasmere seems such a long time ago now........................

Laurie Hartley
150 Posted 18/05/2013 at 08:49:02
Ash you wrote:

"I know it's a bit romantic of me, but I believe somewhere out there is a superstar manager – proven – who shares my notion, and wants to make history with a club that has not lost its identity and integrity whilst others melt into the common, bland and fickle..."

It's much easier for any manager to succeed with bucket loads of money in this day and age - Man City proved that (eventually).

But to be a really great manager and write your name in the history books you have to do something out of the ordinary.
Thats what Sir Alex Ferguson did at Man Utd, restore a great football club, with a great tradition back to the top of the pile.

We need someone "special". Perhaps the name of the manager you are looking for is Jose Morinho.

Can you imagine what he could do at Everton. I suspect if you offered him Glory or money at this stage of his career, I would back him in to take the Glory and I reckon he has got a lot of respect for Everton Football Club and its fans.

Get on the blower Bill - the "special one" might up for it.

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