Season 2012-13
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Waiting for Roberto?
Talk to any Wigan fan and they will tell you that Sunday can`t come quick enough because that`s when Roberto Martinez will tell Dave Whelan whether or not he`s moving to Everton.
Note: Moving to Everton, not Stoke or anywhere else. If you believe the Pie-eaters grapevine that is, an offer that has been on the table since Moyes decided to move `up the scale` as long ago as last Christmas.
Now, this isn`t a new experience for the Wigan loyalists. They went through it last year when Villa (and, maybe, the RS) waited on their man`s decision and the year before that it was somebody else.
But as an Evertonian who works in their midst, I care little for their angst, worrying more about how this heart-stopping drama will impact on my club. Should Bill Kenwright be giving his reported first choice (I do realise whoever is eventually appointed will be paraded as such) so much time to make up his mind? Should not someone who gets the call be so enthused by the opportunity that they can`t wait to get started – à la David Moyes at Old Trafford?
My old man told me last night that the Club has gone through this scenario before. Apparently, post-Catterick, Jimmy Armfield of Bolton took over three weeks to decide whether he was up to the Everton challenge .....and then bottled it! As a result, John Moores looked at all the Everton old boys and appointed Billy Bingham!
Now I guess I'd be happy with Roberto – not ecstatic but happy – and the same goes for Perreira or Mackay but it worries me that nobody seems to be knocking Bill`s door down to get started. Is it that they are only lukewarm about the job or just that the money on offer is not very appealing?
Perhaps Pip will tell us when he gets the job!
Richard Dodd, Posted 22/05/2013 at 09:58:43
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422 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:19:35
I know the Martinez thing is extremely divisive but for me he is just a manager that got Wigan relegated, nearly did it 3 times before that and did worse at that club than the likes of Paul Jewell and Steve Bruce !!
424 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:24:43
427 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:21:24
438 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:39:34
But whoever comes in, if they are given the "backing" by Kenwright and the board that Moyes was will do well to emulate anything he did for us. And I would also think that if they do emulate or surpass him will be snapped up by another club a lot sooner than the 11 years Moyes spent with us. Some people have very short "Premier league" memories or simply choose to ignore the laughing stock we were pre Moyes ! Yes, I can remember the 80's too but football is a different game altogether now, so catch up, get with the present day and reality, MONEY TALKS !
443 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:48:08
447 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:54:51
Martinez moved the goalposts after saying he would give his decision Monday gone,and told the press he would after all give his decision tomorrow.That will be after hearing of the speculation re Pereira.His arse has gone in case he misses out
448 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:56:58
449 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:58:07
452 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:00:30
456 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:52:20
Is nominating the inexperienced dangerous? Looking at Wolves, it certainly looks like it.
I think - given our circumstances - it's worth promoting from within, but find an experienced deputy for the new guy. My heart says Duncan, but my head says Stubbs. Stubbs has done well with the reserves, playing attacking football. He's Blue, and is not totally without coaching experience. Weir could be a deputy of sorts.
So, it might pay off if we get Stubbs plus an experienced old head - not many of them around available, maybe Warnock? And then allow Sheedy and Weir to come onto the 1st team. Big Dunc can take over the 18s, learn his trade a little more and then come on board.
473 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:48:02
474 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:47:37
475 Posted 22/05/2013 at 15:50:47
"Indeed Mick, I feel the same. It will be very interesting to see how we fare under a new manager and will settle a few historical arguments as to wether Moyesie was good for the club or the dour negative money grabbing anti Christ some people on here like to paint him as. I for one think he did an amazing job for us, deserves the recognition he got, how many manager of the years ? followed by being given one of the biggest jobs in football"
Without doubt the most obvious 'I heart Davie" piece posing as an opinion on another subject since Moyes left.
(seriously, it made me grin)
487 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:20:10
Just for the record, I thought Moyes did quite well as Evertoon manager, he quite often made me furious with shit mind boggling subsitutions or somewhat negative tactics and very often fell short in big games as his record testifies too. But I also happen to think that anyone that denies he did well for us considering where we were before he took over, in terms of PL history, is living in denial, but that's just my opinion.
496 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:43:50
Hurry up and appoint someone Bill. This craziness has to stop.
502 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:56:51
512 Posted 22/05/2013 at 16:58:27
Come and be our shanks not shanks pony like the last fella and just look what happened to him...... and he won zip!!!
519 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:06:05
521 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:11:18
Everton have already interviewed Neville, Stubbs & Weir.
Eternal candidates on short list are Martinez, Pereira, Laudrup, Mackay and Di Matteo.
Looks like any pre-contract talks are a load of old bollox.
526 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:19:44
528 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:21:38
Who next I wonder?
532 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:26:10
539 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:40:50
550 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:52:01
He was in London yesterday for talks with Billy & Co, apparently and has verbally agreed already.
Thank God for that - I really hope we've avoided Martinez, who would have been a huge mistake in my opinion. Massively overrated manager would have made us relegation fodder like he did to Wigan.
552 Posted 22/05/2013 at 17:54:11
598 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:47:42
599 Posted 22/05/2013 at 18:55:46
604 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:04:21
614 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:06:48
He also said that no club has made contact over Martinez?
Can't see Everton waiting this long to approach them if he was first second or even third choice.
617 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:16:07
625 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:31:55
629 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:36:52
http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/22/everton-set-to-appoint-porto-coach-vitor-pereira-as-new-manager-on-two-year-contract-3805027/
636 Posted 22/05/2013 at 19:32:24
Earlier today a newspaper hack suggested that Everton were looking for a manager who would run the whole show in the manner of David Moyes. This casts doubts over Pereira who is just a coach.
778 Posted 23/05/2013 at 00:03:01
The new manager is definitely going to have to be given a grace period by the fans to impose his style and create his team. I wonder how patient the fan base will be and especially us ToffeeWebbers. If it is a popular appointment there will be a greater grace period given, if unpopluar this will be less so.
Unproven candidates are a greater gamble, but all eventual great managers had to start somewhere. Bring it on!
792 Posted 23/05/2013 at 01:44:56
I think that any manger coming in is going to need some time to settle in and I don't mean a few games. My gut feeling is that Pereira has a holistic approach to management (as did Moyes). So, it would take a while for him to get his methods and players in place. Many great managers (including SAF and our own HK) suffered set backs & fan disapproval early in their career but went on to great success afterwards. I guess this is more aimed at non-EPL managers who are likely to take some time to learn and adjust.
841 Posted 23/05/2013 at 09:49:55
The way the Martinez/Whelan meeting is being reported suggests we have not offered RM the job, or firmly signalled that he is in with a chance. Perhaps he was expecting to have been approached by now? One thing is clear: in the (unlikely) event that he says he's staying at Wigan, we can cross his list off our shortlist.
There's been a big TW swing towards Pereira, but I am still firmly in the Martinez camp. Come on, Roberto, let's be having you!
845 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:02:11
We're picking from a fairly narrow band of manager. Up and coming British based or possibly proven in a lesser league. These guys are a bit better than the merry go round managers who spout off every time 'Midtable Athletic' are looking for a new coach.
We're well and truly off the merry go round that goes on below us.
848 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:09:59
As one put it,`Roberto`s a great bloke but he puts us through this every summer. he needs to commit to our project (ugh!) or fuck off`.
I can`t imagine he will quit Wigan without having a job to go to,but who knows?
851 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:20:01
862 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:39:59
In my opinion, Martinez would be a huge backward step - he's a hugely overrated manager to my mind, flirting with relegation every year, never addressing their obvious flaw in defending. During their time in the PL they only won 6 games a season under Martinez. 6!?
That's just not good enough and I've never understood what all the fuss is about.
He could go to Malaga (please!) with Pelligrini coming to City by the looks of things. We should appoint Pereira - he's a free agent, comes from the Mourinho/AVB mould and though a gamble, he's a much better gamble than anyone else that's been mentioned. I would have said Laudrup as first choice but it'll never happen, nor will Klinsmann though I'd like that too.
I continue to pray it's not Martinez....or Stubbs.....or Weir.....or Round.....or Neville.....or any of them!
866 Posted 23/05/2013 at 10:48:49
873 Posted 23/05/2013 at 11:10:42
874 Posted 23/05/2013 at 11:16:53
875 Posted 23/05/2013 at 11:16:04
883 Posted 23/05/2013 at 12:18:47
902 Posted 23/05/2013 at 13:33:52
Sounds like he's keeping his options open, waiting for BK to officially approach Wigan. He evidently doesn't want to resign without another job lined up.
907 Posted 23/05/2013 at 13:35:22
919 Posted 23/05/2013 at 14:07:10
Much more important to get it right.To this end it seems likely that soundings have been made with Martinez and Pereira and,I suspect,Mackay. Only the Portugese is free to make an instant decision so plenty of time to `do the right thing by giving` the in-house guys` the chance to make their pitch.
Meanwhile,here in Wigan,the locals are still convinced Roberto will take the job but is stringing Whelan along whilst he seems to prevaricate.Personally,I`m not so sure-both whether he`s up for the challenge or the right guy for the job.
The longer this goes on,the more likely it will turn out to have been a charade by which BK, with his great love of drama, takes us through all the emotions,sets false trails and then HOMES IN on the `suspect`who has been under our noses all the time.
Call for Stubbs/Weir/Neville. They`ll carry on in `the Everton way`.
We should have known!
938 Posted 23/05/2013 at 15:34:52
952 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:06:08
Shame really.
013 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:42:22
They won the cup off the back of playing crappy teams, or teams that played terribly on the day (us and City), and then they got relegated - on what basis do you think that makes it a shame?
017 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:48:10
That isn't meant to be a sarcastic question but a genuine one.
Whilst not always sharing your views on Bk and DM, I've admired your willingness to be a 'lone voice' on TW often in the face of criticism.
If you have changed position, just wondered if it was anything specific to make you change your mind ?
031 Posted 23/05/2013 at 19:56:11
You either listen to Wigan fans who recognise the inevitability of their plight given the drastic reduction of their wage bill from the previous regimes or you don't.
Given the regular financial excuses for our previous manager it seems a staggering oversight notably by many who would trumpet said excuses the loudest.
Adhering to principles which long term might make Wigan stronger and more successful just as his foundations did at Swansea is unique in the contemporary english game. Martinez is a man of vision and genuine principle borne out by evidence not media hype.
The choice to ignore these points not to mention the FA cup win and concentrate on the inevitable relegation is either ignorant or agenda filled.
The clamour for a man of zero experience in the english game, "vitor", is FM game playing taken to the nth degree - no-one knows him from jack shit all the info is off the web and it really is Christian Gross mk2 in the making.
Lucky dip mangement if you ask me - Martinez is the man for us and has been for a few years - as I've repeatedly said.
042 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:12:22
That, in a word ,is LEADERSHIP-a quality so sadly lacking in a man who feels able to justify holding office via occasional soundbites and emotional outbursts.
Don`t start me on his inability to control and direct an AGM and his subsequent defranchising of the shareholders,a move which demonstrates his total contempt for so many supporters whose holdings had been passed on through generations of Evertonians before the Boys` Pen was even thought of.
My swing in support has nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of King`s Dock or Destination Kirby but everything to do with his total abrogation of responsibility `in the face of friendly fire`. In short he is a man not fit to govern.
Everton demands more of its chairman than the tears of a clown!
Now back to this manager nonsense.......
198 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:59:16
' ... a man who feels able to justify holding office via occasional soundbites and emotional outbursts.'
Well put.
218 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:12:10
Surely all the main players know what there plans are by now, including our Board.
223 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:25:57
Find someone else over the weekend and if on Monday he says he'll manage us tell him to fcuk off to Stoke.
403 Posted 24/05/2013 at 16:55:16
Meanwhile Lumsden and Woods are leaving us for the Mancs indicating Moyes is really getting on with his new job.Just wish BK moved with the same urgency!
610 Posted 25/05/2013 at 00:14:50
611 Posted 25/05/2013 at 00:31:42
251 Posted 26/05/2013 at 10:05:48
BM and BVD showed everything that EPL managers aren't capable of.
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421 Posted 22/05/2013 at 14:17:50