Season 2012-13
Opinion
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Kenwright's Decision?
Many of the recent submissions and comments have referred to the ability of Bill Kenwright to correctly identify, approach, interview and ultimately appoint the correct person to manage and coach at Everton Football Club for the next several years.
Kenwright has, famously, declared himself to be "only the chairman" and unacquainted with the inner workings of the world-renowned institution under his purported control.
There are several contributors to this site who clearly have a great knowledge of UK Company Law - I have none.
Kenwright owns 25.84% of the shareholding in Everton. Is he therefore entitled to unilaterally make this appointment without the knowledge, input, and advice of his fellow shareholders and directors?
Woods and Earl both have large stakes in Everton yet are conspicuously silent, as always. If both of these men trust Kenwright with their shareholdings, we need to be seriously concerned, not necessarily about their judgement, but the entire future of EFC.
Brian Hill, Posted 23/05/2013 at 14:19:23
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964 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:45:40
967 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:48:58
979 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:22:38
Don't ask Kenshite he's "only the Chairman" you know, I wouldn't trust him to look after artificial plants.
983 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:36:12
984 Posted 23/05/2013 at 17:40:35
024 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:14:49
026 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:16:55
028 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:18:39
Scary.
029 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:22:27
I guess in a way you have to admire their stoic standpoint. By not getting involved, they (presumably) make some money for doing absolutely nothing apart from maybe one or two meetings a year.
035 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:18:13
he's a self-made millionaire. He's a theatre mogul, celebrity actor, has dated several famous women, and is Chairman of EFC,
If I was him, I wouldn't be too fussed about what you think...
036 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:35:35
037 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:34:20
040 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:45:35
You appear to be a fan of Bill's?
043 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:49:38
046 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:55:57
051 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:53:51
To answer the question - it is a decision which can be made as the Board sees fit so it can be taken by all or none of them if they wanted to pass it to CEO. No prescribed way to do this.
052 Posted 23/05/2013 at 20:53:51
To answer the question - it is a decision which can be made as the Board sees fit so it can be taken by all or none of them if they wanted to pass it to CEO. No prescribed way to do this.
065 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:37:29
I guess he knew little about him at that time and took a calculated risk that turned out great for him as Moyes efforts have shielded this board
068 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:32:35
The new manager whoever that may be will be fully supported by all right minded Evertonians because once he is chosen we have no choice but to give him our best and to undermine him would be silly and pointless, likewise if those who thought that DM was the best thing since sliced bread should think about constantly reminding us of how he would have had more points or a better position in the table or he would have bought or sold this or that player it really is a futile past-time and will not enhance our performances on the pitch, let's all move on and hope the new bloke is a lucky as well as a good manager.
069 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:38:52
The appointment of a new manager will be no different from signing any player. Going by past experience, the other board members have given Kenwright carte balnche on all footballing matters.
070 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:46:38
072 Posted 23/05/2013 at 21:46:38
That Smith recommended Moyes story...urban myth
086 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:03:05
If you had massive wealth and were a shareholder but not board member would you seriously give your money to this lot?
091 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:06:02
092 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:10:18
"Walter Smith [Moyes' predecessor] recommended me for the job and if there's anything I can do to help Bill Kenwright and Everton then that's what I'll do."
096 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:15:16
Moyes also said there was no contact with Manure until a few days before the story broke...so do you believe that?
104 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:29:21
107 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:22:56
We have four directors, I believe. Bill is one. His mate Jon Woods is another, but he seems very much a silent partner: like Kenwright he has not, as I can see, invested any money in the business, he has only bought shares from someone else and it is not clear what his responsibilities are. Or indeed what contribution he makes. Maybe I am being unfair but the evidence is just not there at the moment.
We also have Robert Earl. I understand that he id British but made his money from brands in the USA. My suspicion echoes Gav Ram's at 984: Earl's interest in Everton was in the Destination Kirkby project, and it is unclear as to when he last attended a match, ket alone a Board meeting.
The there is "Sir" Philip Carter. Now in his 80s, I suspect that he was brought back again in order to make board meetings at Everton quorate. If only two directors are present from the three then it doesn't look very good and may be contrary to company rules.
There is a paucity of experience on the Everton board if only because there are so few directors. I don't think Robert Elstone is a director. That idea about bringing in external business talent and developing an advisory board sounds ever more attractive by the minute,
110 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:31:54
To justify his involvement in appointing his successor? D'ya want that salt, vinegar & sauce back?
113 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:40:05
I spoke to Walter Smith personally he recommended Moyes to Kenwright - Bill didn't know who he was!
114 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:32:51
I've got a goose that lays golden eggs, you can have it for a tenner.
118 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:45:19
I don't doubt that you spoke to Smith but Walter perpetuating that particular urban myth...pretty predictable I'd have thought
121 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:53:03
122 Posted 23/05/2013 at 22:58:05
124 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:09:36
125 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:07:16
149 Posted 23/05/2013 at 23:58:45
I've just told Gavin where to stick his magic beans & you've come along with a whole goose...I hope the fact that it's golden makes it easier
170 Posted 24/05/2013 at 02:57:39
I can see all the benefits from MUFC's point of view. But what are EFC getting out of it? Debt write offs? We have done a lot of business with MU over DM years (Rooney, Neville, Howard, Gibson - did I miss some? Did we do more business with anyone else?).
Also for those pointing out the links between Smith, Moyes and Ferguson, well there is a Premier League managers school seminar at Largs each year ... the Scottish, particularly Glasgwegian, managers know each other very well..
178 Posted 24/05/2013 at 06:51:56
182 Posted 24/05/2013 at 07:27:31
Daily Mirror 2012 - "Moyes celebrates 10 years at Everton and claims: I wouldn't be here but for Jenny Seagrove!" -
D'OH!!!
186 Posted 24/05/2013 at 07:40:48
187 Posted 24/05/2013 at 07:50:05
Yeah Grantchester is a right bastard.
Fuckin' wake up!
188 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:08:48
Perfectly put.
189 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:17:17
Sorry - "fellow blues were talking about Moyes. All long before he eventually came in"
Really?
I mean REALLY?
Seriously, WHAT fellow blues were talking about Moyes 'long before he eventually came in'?
And WHY would they be talking about Moyes 'long before he eventually came in'?
Sorry but that makes NO sense at all.
I think for 99% of Evertonians, the first time they heard the name David Moyes, the response would have been 'Who the fuck is he?'
190 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:15:48
He is not an infinitely wealthy oil Sheikh, to whom money is like sand; no, he is a ruthless investor whose only motivation is personal profit.
So, why Everton? Why the silence? This man must believe, with a high degree of certainty, that his purchase of Everton shares will produce a very significant dividend for him within a reasonable time frame.
Furthermore, he must believe that such a dividend will accrue without any personal input from him to the governance of the Club. What does he know that we do not about the future of EFC?
I am very, very concerned.
193 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:41:28
But your last line ? Chill out. It wasn't designed to make you burst a blood vessel.
194 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:50:58
Looks like the decision is made (Stubbs?) and we are still in safe hands!
195 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:52:45
Brian (190), you make a really good point regarding the reasoning behind Earls purchase of shares. I know, with this statement, i'll be up there with the "9-11 was a set up" conspiracy theorists but, maybe, just maybe, Earl didn't buy his shares. Or maybe, the BVI based mogul had "other" reasons to buy shares in Everton. The truth is out there mate.
I know. Mental eh?
196 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:27:13
In conclusion, and based upon Bill Kenwrights deision making history to date, what he does next has a huge bearing on what I as a lifelong blue do next. Do I or don't I renew 3 season tickets and buy merchandise next year, it pains me to state on here that so far the answer to that question is NO. As a supporter I've been treated like shite too many times by this unamitious autocratic lying sod.
197 Posted 24/05/2013 at 08:58:03
"Jenny Seagrave
Blue Bill
Wally Smith
Jack & Jill
Kendall, Granchester,
Long term planning...Manchester
Who did decide to hire...."
203 Posted 24/05/2013 at 09:14:32
So, however begrudgingly, I think we do need to give Kenwright a modicum of credit for appointing Moyes (or not if you never actually rated Moyes in which case Kenwright must take the blame).
Also, isn't Kenwright previously taking advice from Smith on who should have been manager and supposedly now taking advice from Moyes on our next manager in a way what we'd want? i.e. taking advice from someone inside the game rather than choosing all by himself or taking advice from other directors Earl and Woods? Isn't it in a away akin to the demands of the Blue Union, with respect to selling the club; that we bring in people more qualified to sell than Kenwright himself?
We could debate whether Smith and Moyes are the people you'd want to consult on selecting managers but I'd rather he took advice from someone like them then him doing it all by himself or with the invisible men of the board.
236 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:42:08
Moyes had quite a reputation for his, ahem, philosophies on football. I recall there was one gent who was besotted with him. Moyes had given an interview on his training methods at PNE and was considered pretty forward thinking.
239 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:56:09
247 Posted 24/05/2013 at 10:52:36
SAF offers Moyes assistant Managers job when at Preston.
Moyes says no, wants to be a manager in his own right.
Kenwright sacks Smith who then recommends Moyes as Manager.
Smith uses severance pay to buy shares in stretford manegement agency.
SAF gives Walter Smith a short term coaching job as Rooneys parents think the world of him.
Moyes falls out with Rooney, goes to Man United for a pittance.
Smith leaves Man United, mission accomplished.
Everton get Man Utd cast offs every August transfer window when Rooney payment is due ( Neville, Howard, Saha, Gibson )
Moyes eventually joins the club he always dreamed of managing.
305 Posted 24/05/2013 at 13:48:48
314 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:04:37
He may well have said this, but did anyone hear him say he would take any notice of what they may say?
317 Posted 24/05/2013 at 14:15:42
416 Posted 24/05/2013 at 17:46:53
You're quite right, good point.
432 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:25:45
433 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:23:28
Why does Robert Earl contribute nothing to the management and future direction of EFC? It is truly bizarre.
I'll come back to this thread later, I need some new tinfoil on my head...........
435 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:37:39
436 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:39:50
438 Posted 24/05/2013 at 18:13:26
But as always, lets not let these things get in the way of a good whinge and moan where you can roll out all the same shite you spout on every single thread you post in, regardless of what the original posts may say. Its as if many of you just copy and paste your responses, and alter the odd word or two.
And I love this assumption that because Kenwright said he will speak to the fans, it seems there is an expectation he will personally come on to ToffeeWeb to ask your opinions?
486 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:29:05
"Sorry I could not resist"
You should have tried a little harder
489 Posted 24/05/2013 at 20:35:50
511 Posted 24/05/2013 at 21:07:44
See Redknapp's name has suddenly starting appearing amongst the favourites - hope to Christ he comes nowhere near us. I for one would never go inside Goodison if that alleged tax-dodging Del-boy is in charge.
516 Posted 24/05/2013 at 21:16:40
562 Posted 24/05/2013 at 22:02:07
567 Posted 24/05/2013 at 22:13:51
570 Posted 24/05/2013 at 22:13:57
575 Posted 24/05/2013 at 22:36:12
580 Posted 24/05/2013 at 22:46:58
637 Posted 25/05/2013 at 05:19:05
807 Posted 25/05/2013 at 16:11:21
Did Moyes really drive to London and "pitch himself" to Kenwright? Did that really happen? Is it common knowledge? How wonderfully theatrical that sounds. Who is driving to London as we speak?
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957 Posted 23/05/2013 at 16:22:14
It does make you wonder what goes on behind the scenes at Goodison, one director is never seen and the other never speaks, while BK takes all the flak. The three wise football monkeys in charge of Everton FC see no football, speak no football hear no football, still we just carry on watching them from the outside praying to god that they know what they are doing, although their motives remain shrouded in mystery.
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