Mark. You'd think logic would be a useful tool wouldn't you?

What if you're not actually dealing with a logical person?

I mean take for instance the ghost offers for Fer and Negredo....they were never going to happen, and ghost offers have happened before leading me to believe that BK doesn't learn.

I wouldn't discount outsiders being interviewed only for BK to announce that none of them had Everton in their blood like the one/s he's appointed. He wouldn't have appointed the insiders already simply because there's no theatre in that...keep 'em excited right to the final curtain!

If we'd been transition planning for months then I think the new manager could have already been announced? Sooner the better for continuity and all that?

Portuguese season is over I believe.....

Unless the new man still has a big job to do in his old role. Such as the Scottish cup final on Sunday.

Horrible thought I know but to me everything is pointing towards Neil Lennon.

If as you say it was an internal promotion, could have been done straight away. English and Portugese season is over so nothing stopping the immediate appointment of any of the other candidates mentioned.

Though I suppose Bill might be thinking of waiting as long as possible to save on the wage bill.

If he made a quick decision, everyone would say he rushed it. He can't win whatever decision he makes.

unfortunately fans don't use logic to weigh up kenwrights decisions or anything else to do with Everton. Certain favourites can do no wrong, whilst others can do no right.

I don't like kenwright myself but I'm totally convinced he will take his time, take advice, and hire the best available coach. My only worry is that it may turn out to be Benitez. He ticks every box, for what people on here want, the main one being foreign for some reason.

Spanish La Liga still has a couple of games to play though how about the special one? Seriously it will probably all wait until Jose has gone to Chelsea and Man City confirm their new boss before we can appoint somebody from outside. If you were an agent of one of the managers we are considering you would bide your time and see how the land lies in a week to ten days time.

BK is likely loving the attention he's gleaning from all this.....everyone waiting with bated breath for news from the powerful chairman on his decision.
He needs a lap dog. He'll get one internally. NSNO and wreaths will be removed from the crest to simplify it for a kit manufacturer from whom we receive nothing. The annual investment in 50 gallons of royal blue gloss paint for the Goodison touch up will be made in July to prepare for our season minus Baines, Fellaini, Heitinga and Mucha. Business as usual, opportunity lost last January and BK realizing that last season was his only real chance of cashing in on a club on the brink of success. Time to try and replicate the prior 10 with a gamble on an inexperienced ex Blue to tow the party line and not have the gall to require cash to keep us in the Prem. Oh, the life of an Evertonian. Somehow I can't see a new generation of blues having an appetite for what's to come but I sincerely hope I am very wrong about all of the above.

Christ, isn't anyone on this website at all positive or excited about the prospect for a new manager?
The process seems quite straightforward really and going according to plan. A shortlist has been drawn up, people are being spoken to and I imagine within the next week or so someone will be appointed.
How is that different from every other club? I notice Chelsea and Stoke don't have managers currently or Real Madrid for that matter.

Chris - Stoke sacked Pulis and are interviewing Hughes, all within a few days. Mourinho is definitely going to Chelsea. There's no comparison.

The news about Moyes broke 17 days ago, and since then we've only had strong rumours that BK has interviewed some of the present staff, but whether that's for the manager's post or relating to internal changes (PN to the U21s?) we don't know. Other than that, we are not aware of any progress. I think you've got a funny idea of things "going to plan".

It's probably just another of those oddly inexplicable betting patterns, but William Hill has Harry Redknapp rocketing up the favourites list today, now at 9-2. Someone at work who's a well connected Spurs fan told me that Redknapp is under consideration, despite his previous unwillingness to re-locate from Bournemouth...

Chris James......We're all excited at the prospect of a new manager but not so at the board/Kenwright/whoever, getting it right...........and can you blame anyone for that?

Chris James (337) - "Christ, isn't anyone on this website at all positive or excited about the prospect for a new manager? The process seems quite straightforward really and going according to plan"

PHEWWWWWW!

Thanks for that, you have put my mind at rest.

You can't believe how worried I've been.

I feel SO daft now

This will make you laugh too - I actually thought the process and decision was in the hands of a complete and hopeless incompetent with a long history of lying through his teeth (you know, the kind of feller who might change the club badge to something shitty and tacky-looking without consulting supporters).

I can't TELL you how silly I feel, now I know it's all 'straightforward and going according to plan'

I'll get a decent night's sleep tonight!

Mark, who in their right mind associates logic with Everton?
The Portuguese season is over and only their cup final is left to play. Apart from Martinez, everyone else associated has nothing to play for.
If Martinez turns up at Everton we are sunk!
The only reason for the delay in appointing a manager is that they (our board) are waiting for dithering Martinez to make his mind up. Will he leave Wigan or not? Who cares so long as he doesn’t come here.

Martinez is probably bricking it, as he knows he is no good. It isn’t even a deep inside feeling he has, he just knows it.

If Martinez does come, I will be gutted, I live in Skem and the Wigan fans I know don’t care if he goes or stays. In fact, most aren’t impressed with the way they play. ‘Going forward is OK, but when they lose the ball it is a disaster’, is what one fan said to me.

Eugene - what was the frigging point of that

Ged, Eugene was being sarcstic, but he's right. The lunatics are running the asylum and Kenwright grins like the biggest loon in Loonsville.

Our former / current manager is having a clear out of his backroom staff at OT with Assistant Boss Phelan and goalkeeping coach Eric Steele being removed from their posts. Meanwhile back at Finch Farm......zzzzzzzzz....zzzzzzzzz!

Patrick, itsobvious by the lack of movement that the club is waiting for dithering Roberto to make up his mind. Stay at Wigan like a tool or be exposed as being FUKING SHITE by joining us.

This is fucking rediculous.
He's our manager untill middle of next month, isn't he ?

I'd sue the bastard for breach of contract, talk about a laughing stock.

Only at Everton, sigh..............

Official Everton twitter account tweeting Man Utd news???

Fucking embarrassing!!

Dave you're very upset this afternoon. You're telling us that Redknapp would rob the club blind on the other thread.
Chill. Isn't the sun out where you are?

Fuck me, Lewis is right, what the fuck! Does our club or board have a fuking spine. I am seriously beginning to hate the fuking dickheads in our club.

Fed up with it all Shane mate.
logging on every 1/2 hour at work hoping it's all been put to bed, the silence from the club is really winding me up now.

Dave Lynch, I know how you feel.

How long does it take to get the A Licence? Because Neville has tweeted that he's at Day 2 right now.

I am afraid logic goes out the window where football is concerned, that is both true of fans and directors. Obviously the Chairman and his board want to be seen to be doing the right thing by drawing up a shortlist and interviewing the candidates.

They have supposedly interviewed 3 internal candidates who are already contracted to the club so if it was to be one of them then I am sure an announcement would have already been forthcoming. So I presume it is someday still contracted to their club, and I am really concerned that the candidate they are waiting for cant be appointed for at least another week. Which delays time to asses possible transfer targets, as well as decide which staff he will bring with him and which staff he will keep at Finch Farm.

So BK whoever the choice just please get on and make the decision, just make sure it is not Martinez. Otherwise I can just see me around Jan looking who are last 6 games of the season is to see if we can stave off relegation.

Moyes clearing out the backroom staff at Old Trafford has to be good news - surely Neville wil join him there. It would be arrogance, vanity and stupidity for him to suppose himself ready for managing a top six Premier League club.

Well said Brian, Martinez is no good. I think they are waiting for him to make a decision.

Kev, to be fair we could probably have had Hughes installed by now but would you be happy with that?

I've no idea where they're up to but I'm certainly not worried yet. The season only finished 5 days ago after all, and the new manager's basically just going to go on holiday for a couple of weeks straight away anyway. Yes it would be good for the fans to get sorted early but other than that there's no great benefit.

Some people seem to forget that it's not just a case of picking your target and them coming running - we're not Real Madrid. Some of the people being mentioned (Martinez, Benitez, Pereira etc) may be wary of agreeing to come to us and then finding they were on the verge of a call from PSG, Malaga, Napoli or some crazy Russian side who are in the Champions League and pay stupid money.

Mark, Everton would supposedly be a good place to start!! Neville's words.

Everton a good place to start (sigh)

Everton used to be the best place to be.

Christ we really are Utd s bitch

Seriously embarrassing unless Phelan is to be announced the new manager here lol

Logically an internal appointment makes the most financial sense, and, equally logically, you would still want to go through the process of checking external candidates as well to see if they brought more in to the club set against any additional cost - i.e. if they were value for money. This is a business case justification.

So no, I don't think there is any logic in expecting an internal announcement already.

In addition, fans always get frustated that the business of new signings doesn't start straight after the last game but it is often because holidays etc delay things.

In our case it is usually because we don't want to pay wages over the summer which is why we are always so frustratingly bargain basement late. This last reason is why it is quite confusing to me that Moyes' contract was not terminated by mutual consent after the last game of the season. Some people on here have likened this to being on so-called 'gardening leave' scenario when people leave a job and to work for another employer but it isn't like that at all, because the difference is that 'gardening leave' is an employee giving a statutory notice period and the employers making the decision that they would prefer the employee not attending the workplace. Employers are however contractually obliged to pay the employee (usually in a lump sum) and the employee cannot therefore work for a new employer during this period (though this is often waived for practical purposes), but this is entirely employer discretion.

The situation for a contract employee such as footballers and managers is quite different and if Moyes is working for United by mutual consent then his contract with Everton should have been terminated also by mutual consent. Now his contract may have a clause in that says he has holiday entitlement but surely not six weeks to June 30th?

For me this is the only aspect of the Moyes leaving matter which really rankles as I don't see why he is technically still a paid Everton employee when he quite patently isn't behaving as such by any practical definition.

He leaves with my thanks for dragging my club off its arse and leaving us in much better shape than the 11 years (and more) prior to his stewardship but 5 more weeks of this ridiculous situation will not be beneficial to any party except David Moyes from the £300K+ he is trousering under false pretences.

That's between 500-600 season tickets worth!!

Ernie

It's a nine day course apparently. You need your UEFA Pro Licence to manage a PL club though. He will have a further 12 days AFTER his appointment to gain that. I sincerely hope I am providing entirely irrelevant information here.

I am 100% certain that Martinez wants to leave Wigan. Some of his interviews in the last couple of weeks have been cringe worthy, the way he has had to wriggle around certain questions. I can only suggest that he has asked for another week because he hasn't had a better offer yet.

I've not seen these Everton tweets about Man Utd by the way. Are you sure its the official feed?

Im very happy to see Moyes get rid of the Man Utd goalkeeper coach though. I pray he takes Chris Woods off our hands. A nice bloke but he hasn't ironed out some very basic faults from Tim Howard's game in the years he's spent with him.

What do we think about Mike Phelan to become our next manager?

I would have no problem with 'Arry being the next Everton manager - but he'd have to change his name to Blueknapp!

This stinks of a Calamity Kenshite special, done on the cheap and nasty with the inevitable nasty result. He'll drag his arse for Chuckle Brother gets his A licence then his Pro and announce the least inspiring manager at Goodison for years.

I think I`ve worked it out.BK can`t make an announcement until Martinez gives him a decision.Neither can he appoint from within until Davey lets him know which of his backroom staff he wants at Old Trafford.Then he`s got to run it all past Jenny to see if she approves.
Oh,I forgot,he`s also got to consult with us supporters to see if we approve.
Simples!

Joe #405

Well said. Sums up my thoughts exactly.

Well, when I say "sums up my thoughts excactly" what I mean is you've managed to put in a well reasoned erudite manner my thoughts which were "why the hell are Everton paying Moyes to make decisions about Man Utd?"

If we appoint a new manager we want him to start straight away in order to make preparations for the next season. Trouble is he can't because the last manager still has the picture of his wife and kids on the desk and might pop in at any moment even though he's moved on to his new job. Absolutely bonkers.

Logic and Everton?

While we're on the 'logic' thread, I have to say that, logically, I don't fully understand the widespread animosity and/or horror at the potential appointment of Phil Neville as manager.

It seems to me to come down to three primary arguments:

1. He has no experience managing in the Prem

2. He wasn's a great player and also a defender

3, He's not an Evertonian proper and has been disrespectful to EFC

All of which I think are bollocks reasons and based on emotional prejudice.

For Point 1, he has over 500 appearances at the highest level, half of which under the most successful manager of all time. He seems very hungry, dedicated and eager to learn to me. Pep Guardiola did not do the lower league apprenticeship we seem to want. He spent abouot 18 mths managing Barcelona B before taking the top job. Pip has been coaching for a similar amount of time, unofficially with Everton and officially with England;

For 2 - there is no correlation whatsoever between great players and great managers. In fact I'd postulate the complete opposite, since less naturally talented players who make it at the top level generally have to work much harder and this is a much more valuable quality for a manager than a player. I would say that a naturally talented player finds it much more difficult to communicate to lesser footballers what comes naturally to them, while hard workers have been through the process. You can buy great talent for a huge price but coaching improvement relies on - dare I say - industry? This is what Moyes has squeezed out of the players he has had set against a Mancini who paid £600M for it

Point 3 - I really don't get people who read things into comments supposedly made by Phil Neville as disrespecting Everton, many of whom also want Benitez in. People on here have very short memories. Pip always comes across as genuinely proud to have played for two of the great old football clubs and so he should be.

I personally wouldn't be surprised for him to be given it and actually I think we could do much worse. In many ways it is the least risky option in terms of continuity. He knows what the deal is and if he is as knowledgeable as his brother appears as an analyst I don't think it's at all that bad.

I think any of the other three internals would be much more of a risk mostly because he is a proven winner.

Nobody was a bigger fan of David Moyes than me.He did a wonderful job here and set a high standard for whoever follows him. I will always admire him for that.
Now he`s taking the piss!

It's now common knowledge that PIp has been offered the job and wasnt sure he wanted it. Neville isn't fully qualified so this rushing off to get his badges says he might've changed his mind.

All this pontificating by Kenwright is a joke – he has known for months who he had lined up. If Pip has knocked it back then it will be one of the others from Finch Farm.

It's all turning typical Everton now... I despised Kenwright for the Kings Dock shambles and still do; this manager search is turning out every bit as bad.

Joe, the problem for me in appointing Neville, it could end up just being more of the same, don't think I could take anymore of the last 11 yrs.

Phil 406 I don't use twitter so when I read it on here I checked the Everton official website and the Man U tweet was there for all to see!!!

Doddys last sentence sums it up for me

Richard, he's been taking the piss for the last 17 days, at least.

Boys Pen Bill will be counting how much money he can save in managers salary if he doesnt appoint for a few week/months.
The fact Moyes is being allowed to be over at Old Trafford show how low the board have sunk-maybe Kenwrights balls will drop into place one day and he will put the interests of the club ahead of the interest of Moyes and Man Utd

Don't know about logic but the bookies are all over the place on this one......Solskjaer now favourite with Paddy Power.

So hand on heart, who will we end up with?

I think either Martinez or Neville. I'll be slightly disappointed with the first (his lack of commitment/direction has out me off) and gutted with the second (he's a fool to underestimate the job and he needs to earn his spurs in League Two).

Steve, I heard it was going to be Stubbs, with Round staying on as his assistant and Neville taking over the U21's.

That was in reply to you Mark.

Brian 450

Yes it could.

Or it might not be.

Or Bielsa/Pereira/Martinez etc could take us down

Neville could be another Moyes or he could be another SAF or god forbid another Mike Walker, who we appointed don't forget on the back of getting plucky little Norwich to 3rd but patently didn't understand the job at a bigger club.

I just don't get the logic of decisions based on could be this could be that. You have to make big decisions based on reason and looking at all of the facts. That's all I'm trying to say

Brian, Yeah, Stubbs with Round wouldn't surprise me. BK

might see it as a seamless carry on from Moyes.oops,did I say "carry on"?

Actually, Stubbs, in a recent radio interview stated,"There is no substitute for experience". Sounded like a DM echo. As for Round. Well, he knows the Moyes way better than anyone.

I can think of many worse appointments. My own choice would be Pereira, Bielsa or Hoddle. Obviously, Bill and his mates will be thinking through their wallets and will see everything from a different angle. Let's hope they get it right.