"Some Latin gets missed off"

If that's all it is, you simply don't count do you?

Certain people have not sat on their hands with regard to Kenwright and his ilk, however.

Maybe as an Evertonian I don't count Peter, and I too hate the badge (for what its worth).

But I prefer to get upset about the day to day mis-management of our club that has been going on for over a decade and continues as I type this.

People keep talking about Moyes foundations well thats all it will ever be if theers no money to buld the house on them.

Yet the hysteria caused by missing a line of latin is, gathering mass media coverage, nearly provoking walk outs and protests.........the mind boggles.

" Some Latin gets missed off" is a terrible way to try an describe the terrible new badge situation Daniel. It means so much more than that mate.

Do you know what tho? There is some truth in what you just said.

For instance if 20,000 Evertonians signed a petition in favour of change of ownership then I'm sure this would make headline news and fill sports columns too. It would also let people know how pissed off we really are and ask questions of our supposedly well run club!

Evertonians in general don't do high profile protests as they don't want to rock the boat, but I think the fact that 'some Latin gets missed out' is a gross misrepresentation of the reasons for the 20,000 plus Blues who have voiced their displeasure. Unlike our neighbours we don't enjoy the media interest and the Board and the club can easily dismiss any malcontents as an unruly element that doesn't reflect the fan base as a whole.

The club should never ever take good manners as a sign of weakness and when and if the time comes to protest in large numbers they will, but seeing as there is no solution to having BK as Owner/Chairman save finding a buyer to replace him there is little point of marching around town with placards and banners which will be a waste of time and achieve little.

Much better if more investigations are carried out by talented and professional Evertonians into the whereabouts of the debt, the types of loans and the true picture of Everton's financial position. The truth is the only thing that will bring things to a conclusion, it may not be a satisfactory conclusion and may cause more pain in the short-term but without it we are powerless to remove the person(s) who many think have led us all a merry dance for far too long.

The badge change is a very simple, single, standalone event. It's very easy to create a petition for, it's very easy to campaign against, it's very easy to write a story about. Even then, there's different nuances to the debate (I actually don't care about NSNO not being in the badge - it hasn't been there in the past - I just care that it looks cheap, tacky and awful).

That's not the case when it comes to the deep structural issues regarding the ownership and management of Everton as a business. "Kenwright out" as a petition? There a multitude of different alternatives to "what happens next", and significant disagreement on all of them.

That being said, I do think we can push to have greater media analysis. I wish someone like David Conn in The Guardian would write one of his in-depth pieces about the long term mismanagement of Everton.

I totally agree Daniel. I'm not saying the badge change is irrelevant it's not, it is fuckin' terrible, but I find it hard to believe 20,000 blues can protest against this, whilst forgiving the board much worse crimes. Maybe it is the final straw, but I remember the vitriol spouted by some on here towards the BU not two years ago. We were all warned.

Well said Daniel Johnson

'Treat the club like rubbish all you want but don't change our badge'!

It's not as though our curent badge was the original or best version of it anyway!

I totally agree, Daniel, absolutely spot on, mate. When you realise the bigger picture at Everton and the way Kenwright, his board and Moyes have been allowed to go unchallenged for years with the total mismanagement of the club, this fury at the badge situation is very strange.

Where does all this rage, anger and passion for a fight come from when more serious issues are continually overlooked? The new badge means nothing to me as it's just something stuck on the kit. What about the Kings Dock? The Kirkby Fiasco? Selling off club assets? Outright lying to fans over ghost transfers? Moyes being allowed to leave for free? Being managerless for nearly a month?

In fact, the whole club is rotten from top to bottom, run by liars and conmen and no-one gives a fuck... but, Oh tamper with the badge and WW3 ERUPTS.

I hate the new badge but I never really cared much for the old one either. LFC have got a proper badge that represents this city; ours is nothing to anyone outside of Walton. Revamp the thing completely for all I care but don't you think BK is loving all the attention being re-directed away from the real issues surrounding EFC?

As for Nil Satis, that is a joke motto to use for a club ran in the way ours is. We are and have been a long way away from the best for years now and plenty of our lot have been quite happy with it all. Clapping Bill and singing "Oh Davey Moyes" at matches when plenty of us warned you these two muppets were at it together.

Please direct your energy to something important than a club crest as the place is in a right mess ran by Gobshite free-loaders who don't give a shit about anything but turning a quick profit when or if they can sell up. Worry about badges and mottos when these clowns are gone.

New badge, new Manager, same old problems behind the scenes. The long awaited shareholders meeting should hopefully involve the process of putting the salient questions around finance and the role of mysterious directors such as Earl to the board. It will certainly be an improvement on the stooges on the fans forum and Sharpie and one man and his dog's corner.

It seems like the new crest is going to be used for next season according to the club's website who admitted to a lack of communication with the people who should come first — the supporters.

This statement to me means they are not going to listen to the supporters and are expecting after a season the majority will accept the new crest. I hope that as a large number of supporters who say they will not purchase anything with the new crest on it stick to their word and see how long it takes the marketing people to realise the mistake and rectify it.

Myself and a lot of other supporters are finally realising that this management setup from top to bottom do not listen or take any notice of the people that without them the club would be in serious trouble. That is the supporters who, like myself, have been supporting Everton since before most of them were born. Watching are chairman with his smug look on his face talking about the supporters makes me want to give him a kick in the balls but after experiencing his lack of foresight, his outright lying and unwillingness to help move the team when it was most required, I realise that he does not have any.

Daniel, changing the badge is an achievable outcome for supporters. Getting shot of Kenwright won't happen with an on line petition. Small victories are better than none.

Bravo...

The Badge was a travesty... but what your article alludes to is entirely correct and bourne out by this affair.

A large swathe (probably the vast majority) of our fans clearly care more about style than substance...

Kenwright gets his big mug clapped on the big screen after presiding over some of the most disastrous episodes in our history – but a badge gets this result.

This is a clear case of attacking the effect rather than the cause.

Andy, do you not think though this small online petition victory could be the start of something of a ripple effect? If 20,000 Evertonians felt strongly enough to protest about the direction and leadership Kenwright has taken and is taking the club and chose the first home game of next season to do so, surely he and the club would have to take note?

The issue I have though, as has been proven by which the petition exploded in numbers in just hours is that it's a tiny vocal minority that post on ToffeeWeb about kenwright and the need for change. At least 99% of Evertonians appear to have bought the stories over the years and think Bill is the best thing since Mr Hovis first thought of slicing up his wholemeal loaf.

If you can get 20000 signatories on line for the badge, how many could you get in Liverpool city centre to get rid of the board?

We the undersigned demand the immediate resignation of the Chairman and board of directors of Everton Football Club and the appointment of a third party to organise the sale of the club.

Considering the media coverage that the crest got a good result here would be massive news.

Robin has said it very well. The fact is, there are already existing attempts eg KEIOC etc that are trying, but obviously this is a far more complex situation. I believe fans are behind these initiatives, but he whole process, outcomes, resources needed are all unclear.
In the case of the badge, its one "option B, or stick to an existing option A"
. The alternative is already available. Easy to vote/petition against. Likewise, KEIOC is also a similar "choose option B or stick to existing option A". Voting the chairman and the board for another is not, because we don't have the other option concretized.
I believe that if there are existing buyers known to the fan, and the board is resisting, fans will take issue if they know that the newer option is better.
But we don't, do we? This is not a cop out, but rather, I would subscribe to what Lewis has said; we can do more, and perhaps this will be something that starts a ripple effect.
I look at Blackburn and their vehement protest against the Venky's. They probably know what they are saying; got lotsa media exposure over more than a season, but to little effect.
Thus, I think, before we slate any fans about wrong priorities, it might be prudent to consider that fans have actually thought things through, and recognized the complexities of things.

Surely among all the Blues throughout the world there must be one who is friends with a person rich enough to make a bid for the club, even if they didn't want to buy it, if we could somehow arrange a stalking horse to find out how much they were asking and what conditions were being attached it would be a start. But in all honesty with the way that secrecy is the order of the day and confidentiality agreements etc are used even that might not result in more information appearing in the public domain. All we can say with certainty is that every passing day is a day closer to when BK leaves the club but it could be another 20 years and some of us may not be around to witness it.

However clumsy Daniel's reference to nsno, his logic imo is sound and hard to argue against.

It's strange, on TW, some give a harder time to the BU for not being perfect and/or getting some things wrong, than they do to Kenwright for lying to them over and over again and for basically treating our club like his train-set.

It is VERY odd when you really think about it.

The new badge is shocking and they should rightly be brought to book over it. But it doesn't surprise me one bit.

What I find incredible is that we haven't had the same furore over the Kings Dock stadium fiasco where Kenwright lied!! He has told that many lies about our club: we must have the cowshed in Kirkby "cos we won't get a safety certificate for the old lady". They say they don't take a salary but their personal wealth has rocketed since they have been running our club.

That is from the Sunday Mirror when they published a table of the Premier League owners wealth table. When he took over, he said he had to remortgage his house. So why the fuck did he buy the club if he has the club's best interest at heart?

You are a conman. Kenwright. I wanted David Moyes to go because I hoped it would expose the board for what they are: liars, conmen and greedy people. They have managed to put us further into debt every season when even the likes of Stoke City are making money.

Every player we have bought has been with loans. They have not put a single fucking penny into the club they say they love. So to ban legit shareholders tells you they are terrified of it all coming out.

No, our priorities are not right. The board should resign, the chairman should resign and the club should put up for sale to the fans as a fan buyout. As the above have mentioned on here - this pathetic excuse for a management team have been wasting opportunities and alienating the fans for a decade - they should go, and if not, should be forced out.

You are correct Daniel, our priorities are not right.

However as other posters have stated this was a one off subject that was straight forward and easy to challenge etc.

I think Davey Moyes leaving was the start of bigger change at our club. Moyes shielded BK and the board. They have lost that shield and the layers will start to be peeled away exposing the true deceit and mis management of our great club.

Unfortunately the only pressure for change from the fans will come from a run of bad results dropping us down the table. Then you will see the Blue Union protests returning to the streets and the fans calling for BK et al. to sell-up and ship out.

Didn't know where to put this, but it seems the document Eugene posted, has been picked up by the Echo.

Looks like our DOC may have some explaining to do!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leaked-list-compared-liverpool-fc-4025956

I think we've just been ground down by lost opportunites and disppointments and the younger fans have never experienced the John Moores era or great Everton sides

Years ago, this shower of charlatans and their hangers-on wouldn't have lasted a season and there'd have been 20000+ cushions littering the pitch

If one more "savvy" Evertonian tells me "Bill's a Blue" or "he's mortgaged his house for Everton" I'll swing for them

Kevin 225

Quite a damming article. So what's this shit doing at Everton? BK must have have seen something in him to appoint him Director of Communications. He must reflect BK's way of doing things. Says it all really!!

Alan, apart from being a rabid redshite, his MO points to him being employed to deal with the BU. He should be suspended with immediate effect, pending an internal investigation.

I've a feeling he may resign, as his position has now become untenable, especially as there may now be legal action by some of the named parties in the document.

Not been a particularly good week for our club employees has it?

From the Echo - The Farm frontman and outspoken Reds fan Peter Hooton – who is referred to on the four-page list – said he was considering taking legal action over some of the claims about him in the dossier. Mr Hooton told other fans on web forums that he would be “getting his lawyers onto this”. And Spirit of Shankly said it was disgusted to be compared to a “murderous genocidal regime” just for taking a different stand to the club’s management. The SOS’s James McKenna told the ECHO: “To see this sort of confirms what we suspected, that there were briefings and dossiers and blacklists".

Seriously, if there is ANY truth to this, we need to get rid VERY sharp.

What is in the document makes him sound like 'tail-gunner Joe' (a famous senator from Wisconsin).

To have a person employed by Everton FC, prepared to work against supporters in this incredibly underhand way, would be just plain wrong.

Wouldn't it?

Daniel, I find the remarks about our club's motto puzzling. I think it's a major thing, it's our club's history and heritage, and to not consult the supporters is criminal in my view.

Fair enough if it's a kit design or something, yes, that's a bit naff, but the club's heritage — I don't know about you but that means a lot to me: nothing satisfies but optimism.

Ryan #292

Just to clear up this "history and heritage" thing.

Until next season's abortion takes its place in the list, there have been nine badges/crests in our history.

We didn't have one until 1920, when a simple "E.F.C." came into view (it happens that two more of the nine were also the letters E.F.C. in different fonts).

NSNO was introduced in 1938, omitted in 1972, reinstated in 1978, omitted again in 1982, and re-reintroduced in 1991.