Stunned Everton crash out in awful fashion

Fuck off Neville & Osman just shite.

Why doesn't he just go now!!

Sorry, I forgot — it is not the 70th min.

How the fuck can the people in power not see it? We will be lucky to finish top ten... Top six? My arse!!!

He really hasn't got a clue!!!!

He is boring, predictable and about as much use as a pair of tits to a nun!

Just to think, you all thought Moyes was clueless... shame on you.

Although he'll stand for the whole XI not playing for 90 minutes as long as they've done so to his exact (and baffling) instructions. Should've walked after the semi last season, he's got to go after this.

But Moyes will still sign as no one else will come in for him and I will still get my season ticket on early bird and still moan like fuck next season.

Meanwhile the shite have had two mediocre seasons, have bigger debts but will overtake us as we stagnate!

No one is buying clubs, but clubs get bought, and yet he looks 24/7 for investment!!!!

At the end of the day the best teams won, and we can moan about the players but Moyes picks them and now we have just got to look forward to being terrorized by shitty, spurs and the shite and all he will say is better teams have been their and lost, so predictable.

Fortunately, this was the cup and not the league. Won't lose any sleep on this competition.

I think today also proved once and for all that Osman is an absolute waste of place. A shithouse, wimp, lethargic useless cunt of a player. As for Neville... I'd never thought I'd say this about an Everton player but I hate the ugly cunt. Why oh why to God was he picked before Gibson???? What was going on through that wrinkly eyed dour Jock prick's mind to pick him????

Seriously, fucking unbelievable that. Fuck off Everton, fuck off Moyes. Nice one for ruining everyone's weekends.

What did David do? He stood there with his arms folded and never said a word. Tactically out-thought by Martinez.

This performance is more to do with those dipshits than it is to do with the players.

TIME FOR CHANGE!!! BIG TIME!!

Poor play by the whole team and management but I feel the players must bear the brunt as that reeked of just turning up and expecting to win.

Not one can come out with any credit at all, and I don't buy the "manager failed to motivate them" argument as this was the quarter final of the FA cup at Goodison for Everton. How much more motivation does a player need?

Disgusting.

Also, Moyes needs to stop being a cheeky twat and say whether he's going or not at the end of the season, because he's a shithouse tool if he thinks he can hold us to ransom after that load of shite.

Stagnation has fast turned into decline. Whatever you think of Moyes in the past (and I don't buy the "he's always been rubbish" tripe), he's so set in his ways and comfortable at Everton that we'll never see the kind of change we need.

Now, however good our manager is, they'll always be stymied in a search for long term success by the clusterfuck at board level, but while Moyes has definitely helped us punch above our weight in the past, that time is now over.

Neville is finished. Playing him instead of a semi fit Gibson, has just cost us a semi appearance.

The Martinez jibe has bit me on the arse, we start again. New manager, big turnover of players you'd think.

I hope Kenwright doesn't offer him a contract, and the twat fucks off now. Enough is enough.

He was more concerned with waving his arms around in frustration at his own failings than about paying attention to the game and trying to help his team, and that was totally unacceptable.

Just fuckin' do one Moyes. And take the "greatest chairman in the world" down the fuckin' toilet with you.

Cunts.

Today was not a surprise for me and many toffeewebers. Roll on the derby when we will get some respect back in that match!

God help Kenwright trying to persuade a quality replacement to come to the club.

If David Moyes is still here next Saturday, I advise all those who want what is best for Everton in the long run to stay in front of their TVs and leave the ground empty to show how appalled you are about going out of the FA Cup without a fight. It's bad enough carrying Jelavic but putting Neville in midfield when it's about 5 years since he was capable of playing there.

I have never seen an Everton team with as much talent as these lads, fail in every department.

Moyes must walk... Confidence will be in tatters for next week against City.

Bottom line... I don't give a fuck any more!! I will never watch another game while Moyes is in charge!!!

This season is a complete reverse to the recent past, and these last few games are going to be torrid for the team. We have got sweet fuck all to play for now, and to think of the calibre of teams we still have to visit during those last games.

Thanks Kenwright, thanks Moyes.

As far as I can see these are fully justified responses to an absolutely dreadful Everton performance.

This team is rudderless and without character. Shocking to describe an Everton team in such a manner. But there it is. Gutted.

Where they go from here, only time will tell. Someone must be held accountable.

No Everton player came out of this with even a shred of self-respect yet the sad fact is we could easily have had two in the last 15 with Barkley and Osman missing sitters. Mucha can't be blamed for any of the goals and in the second half didn't have a save to make.

One thing stood out to me: we can't seem to come to terms with bad weather — all of our worst displays have come in poor weather conditions this season. I think DM is on his way out, along with Fellaini, come summer. On the credit side, I still think we'll win the National and/or the boat race

Moyes out, the sooner the better

An unbelievable comment from an unbelievable Kenwright London luvvy

What did Moyes think would happen? The guy can't pass/control the ball and all Martinez had to do was press him. Neville absolutely destroyed us today and the lack of confidence when it comes to creating chances just flooded the team.

Just for the record, I'm a Moyes fan and I actually do believe it's time for him to move on. He made us a top 7 club with a shoestring and he has done well... but thanks — you can turn the lights off on your way home tonight, Moyes.

But the sight of fuckin' Wigan playing 'Ole' football at Goodison Park... simply too much.

We've some tough league games coming up now, including several at grounds were we've never gained more than a point. We'll do well to finish in any sort of European place.

When will Bill realise that the fairy godmother "investors" that he's looking for don't exist? Drop the price, drop the conditions, watch us sold. I wouldn't begrudge him making the £50+ million he's after personally if he'd made the club worth the price he's seeking. But he hasn't and it isn't. Therein lies the true problem. Whether Moyes could manage an annual budget of £30m transfers or not is immaterial. He'll not get it under these owners.

The more I think about it the more I think Moyes stalling on his contract has something to do with this, the team look completely rudderless, like a clock ticking but the hands not moving. Terry Maher's right, theres 'nothing there'. It's like he's put them limbo, totally irresponsible.

What has happened to Jelavic and Pienaar? What's happened to one of the best defences in the league? Why did we screw up so badly in the Jan transfer window...? I'm sorry but all roads lead to Moyes. Time to go.

Moyes your time is up. The contract fiasco has destroyed this season I think by him holding the club to ransom. I'm really not looking to the derby...

It's been some time to say but Kenwright out.....Moyes out and NOW please.

I'm not talking about the final score I'm talking about the tactics, the level of energy, the performance, the cliched post match waffle, Steve Round looking like little boy lost, Moyes looking like angry man catching kids scrumping his apples, Kenwright looking weepy (happy) and weepy (sad), Goodison getting a year older with NO improvement at all, a treadmill of players who either do well and go or do adequately and stay and then we get to Big Vic.

Aaarrrgghhhh!!!!!!!!!

Martinez most probably won't go on to win the cup.
They have got a better chance than us though.

1st Goal: There's people praising Martinez for out-thinking Moyes, it really isn't hard. They played for set pieces as they knew we can't defend them. And what the risk? You can load the box against us without any danger of a counter-attack. Worst case scenario: Everton clear the ball and you get another free and unchallenged opportunity to put the ball back in the box.

2nd Goal: Phil Neville starting games aged 36. He was at best a decent but professional player 8 years ago. He's a nice enough lad but his footballing ability has declined rapidly. This happens with age and Moyes' inability to spot it is inexcusable.

Any manager worth his salt would have made changes as soon as that third goal went in. But no, Moyes waits and waits until half time. Was it not worth giving Barkley more than 13 minutes?

The most annoying thing out of all this is that come Saturday, he will opt for the same starting 11 with only Gibbo in for Nev. The man is a blinkered, negative, stubborn idiot. I've had enough of him.

We need to make our feelings known next week. Disgraceful.

Anyone who can't see this is exactly the situation, is either blind or completely and utterly Ian Allaker.

Osman, Neville and Pienaar stank the place out today yet he leaves them on, Billy Big Bollocks Fellaini gives it the big I am well he can fuck off if he in't interested too. Chiuckle Brother has the gall to look at the Park End questioning whay he is getting stick from us having given away goals in minutes, cue his cheeky shite on twatter tonight. Disgusted but not surprised, only one team wanted that game today and that was visible from the off - Gollum fall on your sword tonight you fucking misery, any smart arses slagging Martinez off tonight?

Fuckin' spot on Alan.

Why oh why pick Neville instead of Gibson? Why didn't Duffy start?

I can only see us getting 8th or 9th.

Some absolute basics let us down too

1-0 : Osman marking Figuerao and no-one on the post.
2-0: Neville happened.
3-0: Think we were shelled shocked by the first two and just allowed Kone to set it up for Gomez (great finish mind).

Neville said recently that he wouldn't carry on playing whilst he feels he can contribute - any decision on retirement has already come 18 months too late and I inclined to sign up to twitter to make that polite request that he expedite his decision.

This game and the fallout will see Moyes decide to move on I reckon.

Awful display and Moyes let himself down too.

Poor team selection (Anichebe ahead of Jelavic for me too) and why wait til HT for Anichebe - should have pulled Neville off at 2-0.

Fuck!

The knee-jerk that's needed is to boot that po-faced phoney cunt Moyes right down the fucking road.

And for the fans to MAKE it happen if that fat sheep Billy Bullshit hasn't got the balls.

I agree with Nick (#646).... Hitzlsperger should have started if Gibo couldn't! Playing Nev is a No, No, Fuck No by now! Osman should have been hauled off instead of Mirallas and Oviedo should have replaced Pienaar (who was losing the plot)!

Kenwright should use Moyes's dithering on his contract to let him go! Our team has lost faith in the manager and it shows big time! No More Moyes! Gary Lineker... He's all yours!

I've been more pro than anti- Moyes over 10 years. However, I never get caught up with individuals as I only support Everton FC and nobody is bigger than the club. He did a good job in first 7 or 8 years but it's clear that he's taken us as far as he can now. I also posted on TW 3 or 4 years ago that a trophy was essential sooner rather than later otherwise the DM era was largely forgettable. After the Chelsea final and the Liverpool semi-final, my doubts increased towards DM. Now, I think it's odds on he's history.

The contract offer should be withdrawn as he now seems to think he's bigger than us and this situation has clearly unsettled the team.There would be no animosity from me because he's largely done OK. Shake hands, move on.

For those who say "be careful what you wish for" I also have that fear though that's only natural given he's been here for over a decade. However, this management team is a little like a safe building society account with unexciting, mediocre returns. We need to take a gamble on the stock market (or a bank heist) otherwise we are always destined to be mid-table mediocrity. Personally, I'm not happy with a guaranteed mediocre future.

Perhaps this is my knee-jerk reaction - however, it's been coming for a couple of years now!!!

I'm 95% certain that the DM era is over. I don't have an answer for who should follow him. Unfortunately his tenure has been unsuccessful for Everton. Those who cite top 10 finishes are accepting of mediocrity. Top ten only looks good in comparison to the shambles of Walter Smith / Mike Walker etc.

Let's get back to Nil Satis...(somehow)...because this clearly isn't it.
Nil Satis should always be our compass regardless of financial constraints.

But the other 87 were equally bad. Moyes sat doing nothing whilst the team collectively panicked. He should have swallowed his pride and taken Neville off much sooner, but he sat inert. He should have prepared his team better, played a midfielder in the middle of the park, reacted when things went wrong, and sent out a team for the second half that showed Wigan what a cup game at Goodison is about. And what on earth was that Mirallas substitution about?

I don't have a problem with him taking off Fellaini, who was diabolical. I do have a problem with him leaving on Osman - I'm not an Osman hater or scapegoater but he should have been subbed today. Basically Moyes failed to react while things were falling apart around him, and I worry that is down to his pride. And I also worry that when he finally did react (Neville sub apart) his decision to take Mirallas off was frankly surreal.

I said yesterday I had a bad feeling about this one but this takes the biscuit.

With no investment in the club or the squad, no plans for the future of the club, a manager who refuses to renew his contract, players looking to move on to a "bigger" team, what do we expect?

Any manager who creates uncertainty should be asked to leave immediately... as should any player who wants to play for a "bigger' team. And as for Kenwright and his cronies — they should be run out of town.

At least this result will hopefully start the revolution that we need if we are ever to become a force again.

What a disaster of a performance, we underestimated Wigan and they came in ready for us...

How Moyes will show his face at Goodison Park again is beyond me. He's proven that he can't rise to the big occasion year after year and I can't wait to see if he wins a cup with another team. (His only hope is to go to Celtic because he won’t be able to do it anywhere else!)

Barring a miracle run in the league, it looks like another year without European football. His contract situation has sabotaged all the good work done this season. I know Kenwright and the board failed to back him but the players on the pitch represent him and his attitude and desire towards the game.

Safety, safety, safety: picking Neville over Hitzlsperger (assuming Gibson couldn’t go a full 90); using Fellaini in with Osman and starting Barkley upfront with Jelavic would have been unexpected (Martinez wouldn’t have planned for it). So many combinations could have been chosen today down the spine of the team but he went with the ‘JellyFish’ formation – Spineless. Same formula over and over and he never learns.

The last time we had a new manager in was March 2002. I’m really hoping March brings with it the next Everton leader because that’s what we need right now. That team on the pitch today had no leader and Wigan deserved the win. I hope they go on to win it so Moyes can have the images of Laudrup and Martinez lifting their Cups tattooed on his brain.

Correct, it's not the stuff of the mid-late 80s but it has been much better than that of the mid-late 90s.

So we found out the mental limit of most of our players are today, Fellaini being the worst example.

This was an extreme situation fundamentally created by Neville's mistake, being gifted a goal for 2-0 after just having scored will have been beyond Wigan's dreams. The third was a cracker but they were on a relaxed high after scoring 2 in 3 mins by then.

Question is: Are our players weaker mentally than others, or was this an extreme one-off, albeit self-generated by Neville?

I suspect most teams would have fallen apart in these circumstances, remember Man Utd collapsing at home to Man City last season? But ultimately it was self-inflicted, Neville should never have been on the pitch. I think it is unfair though to judge the performance once they had conceded the 3 goals, they were never going to come back from that and were probably just wanting the ground to open up.

All very sad.

When you are 3 down, and the manager is giving it to you I the dressing room, does anyone agree they are thinking " We'll you're off anyway, why should I give a fuck?"

Finally, I witnessed the Sunday League manager giving it to Anichebe, only for him to wave his arms, asking what the fuck he was on about. Moyes lost it today, where are all the Moyesophiles making excuses for that performance?

£4m a year? You must be fucking joking.

I agree he took us out of the doldrums but he reached his ceiling when he got us to the final against Chelsea. He is a half a season manager at best. His cup performances are poor, his European ventures were, in the main, crap. He is ultra conservative, hasn't a clue when it comes to substitutions, has a pathetic record against the top 4 etc....
I rest my case. His time is up.

I mentioned a few weeks ago about teams who raise their game when it suits them as being cheats, I stand by that view as they should at the very least come off the pitch covered in sweat after every game that Everton play, but too many times they only play when they are underdogs. Watch the game next Saturday against City, same ground, same time but a different Everton, why should that be the case?

Why oh why Neville and Osman. I shit me kecks when I saw that. Apart from strategy, though, what a fireless performance. Where was the fight and hassle??? Not only outplayed but outfought. Fucking really pissed off.

He brings Ross Barkley back after Sheff Wed then plays Hitzlsperger who hadn't had a game (against the reds I seem to remember). Where was he today? An over-the-hill Neville is a better bet than Barkley, Gibson or Hitzlsperger??? Hes fucking joking. Terrible managing that. I'm really fucked off.

Disgusting all 'round. Not a single 1st team staff member should feel comfortable looking an Evertonian in the eyes today.

Today, I believe could be a date on which we reflect as the beginning of a steady slide for the club. The foundation has been set and compounded for over two decades. For all his faults, Moyes has kept us in the premiere league but is clearly done. I don't believe he will succeed elsewhere. Key players will move on this summer. Felli and his old man will work on his departure from today on. It will be a miracle if we hold onto our talisman Bainsey, our best and most dignified player by a country mile. The board will no longer have the Moyes buffer effect to placate the fanbase.

Attendances will decline. Nothing will change on the board nor business side of the fence. We will remain locked into farcical merchandising and sponsorship contracts. Goodison will stand as is, a relic of times past. TV cash will go to debt, a signing or two of little significance and 'other operating expenses'.

I will buy an Arai Vector 2 motorbike helmet with the money I had 'ringfenced' for a trip to Goodison in May. Why Arai???......Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.....got to find somewhere to use our neglected motto.

Osman isn't a tidy little player with neat feet — he is absolute crap and should've been gone after the 2009 FA Cup Final. Neville is nearer 40 years old than 30 so whose fault is it he plays? Messing about with formations, negative formations, negative tactics, players out of form playing, no youth setup or young players getting a chance, bottle job in big games, lack of Plan B, etc, etc, etc.

It's been happening for 11 fucking years under Moyes. Those of you now bleating about what you once defended are no better than Moyes and Kenwright. You're helping destroy the club with your blind ignorant support. So don't cry lap the fucking shite up as you all deserve this result.

Mr Moyes, fuck off as far from Goodison as humanly possible.

And I'm calm.

His insistence on playing his trusted warriors borders not on stubbornness but insanity. He does have squad players he refuses to play e.g. Barkley, Duffy, Vellios, Stones, Oviedo, The Hammer etc.... He needs to go IMO.

They knocked us out of the cup because they out played us on the pitch, and because Martinez out thought Moyes on the sidelines. It's not rocket science to figure that one out.

We have been poor for a long time now, and there is no excuse for that. He bought this team, he played players who should have retired and those who did not deserve to be in the team because of their lack of form. Who's fault is, that Mr Moyes refused to build a squad in the first place, insisting on getting quality players instead of quantity of players?

It was he who said this was his best squad ever as the manager.

Today, again after much babbling about how it hurt to loose to Liverpool..we fail to actually do anything. Today's result for me and many others is a sackable offense. It was a disgusting performance, and Moyes takes the entire blame for that mess. He chose the team, he made the wrong substitutions and its him who has no desire, no will, and no ability to do anything about it. He is living on his over hyped media ego.

He NEEDS to apologize to every Evertonian and then immediately resign. This is simply no longer acceptable at a club of this stature. Enough is enough..and it's time the fans woke up and made his life pure hell!

'Three down in the Cup, they win a corner, and we have every player back in our box - just fuck off now.'

That is David Moyes in a nutshell. And for some reason, none of the media have picked up on this. Only Big Nev has ever dared question the club.

I could bash Neville all day long but at the end of the day its not his fault he gets picked is it? Fellaini supposedly has the talent to do something about it yet could do nothing much, like in every game that's gone badly for us this season.

To add to this, he continuously mouths off about the club whenever he is in decent form. While the club paid good money for him, he took four seasons even to get up to the crap standard he's at now.

The sooner this fraud is out of the club, the better. It just wouldn't surprise me at all if his 'dream move' to Chelsea doesn't actually happen when they realise how crap he is.

We all know he won't resign, we all know he won't be sacked... but under no circumstances should Moyes be Everton manager next season.

I can't talk about today's game as what is there to say? Time to finally look to the future and time to plan for a new manager and time to move on some of the players and bring in the youth who deserve to be playing.

Moyes comments on the official site this afternoon are infuriating and an insult to all of us. Sure, Wigan played very well, but the lack of any apology for another horror show, or acknowledgement that once again we've failed just when it looked like maybe, just maybe we had a chance to do something interesting... and now "fickle" Evertonians getting shouted down on forums and phone-ins by fans of other clubs for daring to question the ability of our much lauded manager. Lucky to have him aren't we?? We should be happy with where we are all things considered, etc., etc... yawn....

He's not going anywhere 'til the summer at the earliest is he? If he goes at all.

Haha, top notch ranting there Frida Ericsson!

Like you say, it's time to move on and look to the new season with a new manager, with drive, determination, someone who actually understands tactics. This entire situation makes me feel very sick indeed. The entire world today, saw just how shite we really are.

Prize prat!!!!!

So he ends up with a shit selection to start with, shit tactical change that changed nothing, and shit attitude from the start.

He's a one trick pony and after 11 years of dour defensive crap its time to go, but the greedy twat won't because nobody above us will want him.

Its time for action from the fans

MOYES OUT

I know Neville is captain, and you'd expect the manager to want to field him, but at what cost. That fucking pass for their second goal would have been an absolute peach if struck by one of their midfield players...

I'll always be grateful to Moyes for turning things around at Goodison. We've gone from a club teetering on the edge to one where we're sat here now, gutted that we've missed out on an FA Cup semi final, losing only our second game at home all season (when we've beaten Manyoo and Spurs at the Old Lady in the league). So, however, I think he is fatally flawed when it comes to the final push. Sort of a George Mallory or Captain Scott if you will. At best the nearly man. But after 11 years, that's not nearly good enough.

Time for DM to go, get rid of some of the players to generate some cash, and hope the new boss can spend it wisely.

Answers on a postcard to:

Blue Bill
24/7
L4

I have been an Everton fan since the 70s and this is about the shittiest game I have seen with Everton ever. Not only all the players were more or less playing bad, but they did not even fight.

As for Moyes, I seriously don’t know what he is thinking about. Everton has only one fast player and that is Kevin Mirallas, almost all other players are slow runners, with an exception for Pienaar and Baines. We are down 0-3 at home against Wigan. What does Moyes do? He takes out the one fast player we have and prefers to stay on with Neville instead of Mirallas. He takes out Fellaini, our best scorer of the season (yes he was bad today but still he can score).

Did Moyes not want to win this game?? When you are down 0-3 in a cup, you don’t have anything to loose: 0-7 or 0-3 does not matter. You could try to win the match, taking out Neville and Heitinga, letting Anichebe Gibson and Barkley get in on the pitch (Barkley played) and switching to 3-5-2 or 3-3-4.

I am sick and tired of always watching defensive football. If this ever is going to change, Moyes has to go, and I mean it: go.

Moyes is good to make a mediocre team to get into the top 7-12 but he is not a winner, and I think that has been proven the last 11 years.

This was absolute shit… disgraceful!!

Sums it up perfectly.

If he (Moyes) had a shred of dignity he'd resign ASAP.

So he'll still be managing tomorrow then.

Regardless of the fact that we never strengthened in January, when we absolutely needed to to achieve anything close to our ambitions this season, we still had enough in this team (Baines, Pienaar, Fellaini) to WIN.

He rested Gibson. He stayed with Jela instead of Big Vic. He could of actually played Fella in the middle. Neville as right back. Coleman on the wing. Mirallas in the middle... There's a lot Moyes could of done. He just didn't... and I have had enough.

This team that 'he' assembled is better than this. This one is down to the manager, I just can't get away from that. FACT.

Fellaini also needs to go. Had enough of that muppet. Having to turn a blind ear to his stupid remarks the last few seasons. Sell him to the highest bidder and strengthen the squad with 3 players that play for the shirt and not themselves.

Sadly as we all know, Moyes peaked a long time ago and the past five years or so have just been the same old story over and over, we get so far but can never quite make it over the line. Why? Because Moyes won't change his tactics, never has a Plan B, is overly loyal to particular players regardless of form/ability, is so negative and incapable of taking any risks... a day like today is just de ja vu.

The so-called experts on TV keep telling us how "organised and hard working" David Moyes teams are, what an amazing job he has done, how we're hard to beat and won't ever give up, how lucky we are to have him... Sure, Everton are not big news any more, we have to accept that sadly, but not a soul in football without an Everton allegiance seems to notice any of the flaws in Moyes, the regular days like this we've had to put up with over the past few years. We've gone as far as we can under Moyes, that's it, done and dusted. Time to move on.

That leaves our only option from the wings, then he starts with Mirallas on the left and Pienaar on the right. What's that all about?

Moyes is a Championship manager at best. He's managed to get Jelly, Fellaini and Mirallas all playing badly at the same time and ruined every striker to come to the club.

The ritual Anfield humiliation will further dismantle the last vestige of your support so spare everyone the angst and gnashing of teeth and be gone.

Time for a new start, our club has looked after you royally for a decade providing a terrific education while making you a multi-millionaire to boot, now I and thousands of others would like it back.

Good luck on the telly or at Stoke or wherever you end up.

Neville has never been a footballer, and it's an absolute outrage that he's played so many games for Everton, let alone Manchester United and England. Divvies like that O'Keefe at the Echo continue to propagate this myth that he's a great leader, yet week-in, week-out at Everton he's the worst player on the pitch, and under his supreme leadership and captaincy, Everton continue to freeze and capitulate in the games when you need somebody to demonstrate leadership. I think he's got two Merseyside derby own goals under his belt, a sending off or two to boot, an assist for Cisse's goal at Goodison, an own goal against the Mancs, honestly this fella is an absolute disaster, his captaincy has presided over some truly craven performances, particularly when it has mattered most. Even when he was lauded for that tackle on Ronaldo, he cowered in the face of criticism from Ferdinand and Giggs; he's allowed Everton to be bullied by officials and the likes of Gerrard & Carragher have made a fool of him and Everton in many derby games.

If he had any humility he'd have retired at half-time today. He is absolutely fcking useless.

More light? Moyes will go, thank Sheedy. He will resign in May. Today taught us what many have known for a while, the sickening sight of all back for a corner, 3-0 down, 20 mins to go, tells us all that we need to know. Replacing a forward with a forward with 15 to go tells us all that we need to know. I must confess to having a crumb of glee watching the miserable looking fucker on the sideline, chickens roosting and all that.

More light? Gotta feeling that today in the face of the world may become a day when we look back in say 5 years and say that was a pivotal turning point. New gaffer in the summer, some sponds, clean out - Osman, Neville, Fellaini (did you see him giving it loads to the paddock), Heitshittiger, Howard, Naismith. Someone with a creative spark and, dare I say, flair.

We need to put those sad bastards on here who accept mediocrity and the status quo to bed. Enough is enough. £6 million – you ginger Presbyterian thief.

(The above is personal invective and does not purport to reflect nor gainsay the opinion of the "vast majority" of tossers who support Moyes and the Kenwright board)

On the other hand, he has put us into a position of mediocrity, you know, never winning anything, always going through the false dawns. I can't remember a season under this manager, when we have played a full season from beginning to end with all thrusters on the go.

Everyone out thinks this manager, and it's really not hard to see why either. I think we need to get rid off as soon as possible. When I saw the squad at the beginning of the season, I had my doubts these pensioners could last , was surprised Neville had chosen not to retire, in fact the biggest surprise really was the fans did nothing to get this man out at the end of last season.

We have wasted a hell of a lot of money on average and poor players over the years imo, that could have helped to build a bigger squad, one that could survive an entire season and one that could battle to win cups or something.

Looking through the team, it's no surprise it fell to shit, during the season, it simply isn't strong enough or good enough to go on a long run. We lived off the high profile wins, and got done a few times by the refs...but all those draws which where winnable, this team abysmally failed..failed because imo it was not good enough.

There are far better players out there on the free and able to be got on loan, that could have done a job for us. So even with no or little money, we could have strengthed...particularly during the transfer window last summer.

He is incapable of managing his resources..the squad is small because it pretty much picks itself. give the man a bigger squad and we'd be in serious trouble.

My real fear now is actually Moyes realises he won't get another better job than the one he has now. The worse we now are, the more likely he is to sign his new lucrative contract. Let's hope for everyone's sake we go on a blistering run so Moyes goes back to thinking very highly of himself and fucks off.

Although it seems trite to say it, today`s defeat will, at least, remove any distraction from the manager's primary task of getting as high up the Prem as is reasonably possible. I believe 5th place and Europa qualification is very much still on although 6/7th will still return good place money.

As for Moyes's future, it is vital that he can be persuaded to stay. All the suggested replacements have days like today and I am not persuaded that Martinez's solitary win over him renders our man useless.

Player-wise, I do agree that it`s beginning to look time for Captain Pip to move onto the coaching staff and I do so hope Davey will feel it right for us to see more of young Barkley.

As I told the lads in the pub, it may seem the end of the world but a good win next week will more than put it all to rights.
COYB!

Pissed off and wishing I'd never been born off Everton Brow.

Wigan do not have a superior squad!!

Pissed off and wishing I'd never been born off Everton Brow.

Get him out on loan to Accrington until he learns how to produce a perfectly weighted, pin point, back four splitting pass just like the one that Captain Pip produced today.

And if he can do it at the right end of the park all the better

Stubbs, Moyes: both defenders, both coaches at a club that has conceded the most headed goals in the Premier League.

You think tactics are small minty white sweets. Next Man Utd manager... hahahahaha.

So thankful I don't live near enough to waste my hard-earned cash watching these overpaid pricks. Fall on your sword Davey, go to one of these clubs that think your wonderful as we all keep hearing from anyone who dosen't support Everton!

We were outplayed by a team that wanted it today, and how many times does Neville get given the ball back to him to look up panicking to get rid of it again? Let's hope Martinez felt at home!

Ian (#766) – Laughed out loud! Great comment!

I think maybe I shouldn't but I will be back next season — I just hope Moyes is not...

Absolutely right. The Gibbo sub was ridiculous. He's a good player but he was never going to change the game. He just isn't that sort of player.

I like Osman but he needs resting. He hasn't had a good game in months. Moyes bangs on as if playing Barkley is a huge risk. Is it?! Neville and Osman give the ball away so frequently. At least if Barkley does make a mistake it's because he is trying to force an attack.

Again Ray, you are spot on about the squad. We have good players who don't get a look-in, and terrible players who are regulars.

You look at McAleny, Barkley, Kennedy and even Junior. These are players who can make an impact. They are young but so what? They should be given game time here and there but Moyes won't allow it. Oviedo anyone?

Hell, even Hitzlsperger, though no spring chicken, is still worth a game over Neville.

Maybe if Duffy had played Centre-Half from the start we may have managed to alleviate the problem of headed goals, but we'll never know because DM doesn't trust youngsters.

And it was.

Match report for anyone interested - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/mar/11/match.sport10

For those who think Moyes should NOT throw his hand in, or NOT (to use an expression popular in the world of physics) be fucked off sharpish, I'm curious to know what set of circumstances would have to take place for them to say - 'that is fucking IT!'

I'm genuinely curious - who would we have to lose to, or how bad/lackluster/inept/boring/predictable would performances have to be before you'd say 'enough is enough'?.

Should we demand Moyes and Neville out!? They simply don't belong on the field.

Neville does himself no favours by agreeing to turn out when he really wants to get on with his coaching badges. I understand he`s presently 6/1 against in the betting stakes for next manager. Not everbody's choice, I know, but I`m sure BK will consider him... seriously.

Or was I? I was thinking how crap we have been since the Chelsea game and a lot of the rants since then, and especially after to recruiting in the January window I think the supporters really are just so tired and pissed off with Everton from the running to the playing staff.

I sit to far from the dugout/chairman in the Main Stands and watch out next week for me maybe being removed from the ground as I will be venting my frustrations to both, hopefully, irrepective of the result I am followed by a few more!!

P.s. what was the name of the group trying to oust Kenwright, been quiet for a while?

Finish higher in the league? He has completely lost this squad of players, it's clear to me, they don't trust him. How could they? The better players look around the pitch and probably wonder what the fuck Moyes is doing with the likes of Neville, Osman, and a few others.

I am under the impression the only possible people who could ever want this manager to stay, despite never winning a thing, playing some of the worst football ever seen, are those who want us to win nothing, because in reality this man never will win a thing.

Do you understand what the word mediocrity even means? There is barely any excitement because at the end of the day, we know what will happen and it usually does.

We are Everton FC not some Championship side... regardless of money, there are other alternatives. He has had 11 years to change his ways, his tactics and the way we play...always a false dawn under this man.

How any manager could come out at the beginning of the season and say this is his best ever squad / team, goes to show just how little his determination is to win things. Half or more of the team needs moving on at the end of this season, and Moyes needs to go with them.

The man is a charlatan. he talks and talks but he is without substance, and don't give me all the crap about this being about money. Swansea winning the League Cup, Wigan have been playing some decent stuff, just not getting the results I think they deserved. Moyes wouldn't know what an option was if it smacked him the face. Tactically inept, and the media know nothings feathered his over paid nest egg and gave him a big fat ego he doesn't deserve... If we ever want to win something, anything, then we need someone in who knows what the hell they are doing.

11 years, and where is our striker?...sorry his time is up and it needs to be, because I fear relegation next year under this squad, who clearly have given up on him.

I feel much worse today after that abject pile of shit.

Useless team selection.

Easily the worst ever centre midfield performance I have seen from an Everton team.

Extraordinary lack of effort from most of the players - only Shameless and KM actually looked like they were trying.

When Baines put the ball out of play, so that their injured player could get the treatment (THAT HE WAS ALREADY RECEIVING!) I knew that the players didn't even want to get back into the game. If the manager can't be arsed why should we expect the players? I am sure that they are crying all the way to the bank.

Did anyone else notice that Vic moved himself to right back for the last 10 minutes so he could head off straight down the tunnel as soon as the so-called ref blew final whistle.

Not long after the 3rd went in, I said to my brother that Moyes will bring Barkley on near the end with the message "if you can't change the game, you must be shit!"

I've had enough, there's no way that I'm renewing next season. The players don't deserve our support and loyalty.

Moyes has a good squad but he does not get the best out of them, especially in big games!!! THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KENwRIGHT!

There. I've said it... quite put me off my curry tonight.

It was like the weather forecast saying "rain expected".

That said, losing badly at home to a relegation threatened team in a major cup competition is not "just another match", coming as it does after so many prior bitter disappointments we have to swallow. It should be a watershed moment, when the club realises a management change is necessary.

Whether this will happen, we do not know, even though it should. I think this is where the source of frustration lies for so many.

Season well and truly over, don't forget we have still to play Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and RS away. We all know how well we have done at all those places in the last 11 years!

He doesn't get the best out of his resources, because he is completely clueless what to do with them. This has been going on for years. He simply doesn't care. It's his way and that's it, and the problem is, his way is utter shite.

He could have the entire barcelona or real madrid squad, and still be just as gormless / useless what to do. He hasn't got a clue how to win anything of importance, because it's beyond his ability as a coach.

I have this theory, that his squad is delib small, because he can't cope with big squads. I am sure Preston's squad was no bigger than ours now at the time he was there.

The man is a charlatan and a fraud, and he needs to go. Or it will be us going down next season imo...lets hope the fans do something to get this dour negative halfwit out. I am genuinely concerned for a future under this bungling manager

I would not be surprised at all if Neville now retires and that was his last game. A sorry way to go out if it turns out that way. Moyes should have recognised he was past it and saved him the ignominy of today. Hopefully Phil now doesn’t need to be told.

When a team concedes 3 goals in 4 mins at home they are always likely to fall apart. There was no coming back from that.

As an aside there's a rather sad minority on here of 'I told you so's who seem to be relishing in today’s debacle as they seem to see it as some sort of needy justification of a previous personal opinion. I'm just pissed off by the result, I really couldn’t give a shit about whether Nobby99’s past opinion was right or not. Get over yourselves. What is actually important is where our club and team goes from here.

Wont be going any more games this season

I went to Wembley a few years ago and saw a debacle happening in front of me. I watched the match today and saw the same thing.

I believe Moyes should go at the end of the season. My guess, though, is that Kenwright will do everything he can to keep him. Therefore what we witnessed today, what we saw against Chelsea at Wembley, what we sw against Liverpool (twice) will happen again.

So, in my humble opinion, it is time for Mr Moyes to move on but I don't think he will until Kenwright leaves this club... and the quicker the better!

'There are a few of us that wanted Moyes out years' ago

'Why all the vitriol and bile? It's what vast numbers of you have decided to ignore for years now.'

'It's been happening for 11 fucking years under Moyes. Those of you now bleating about what you once defended are no better than Moyes and Kenwright. You're helping destroy the club with your blind ignorant support. So don't cry lap the fucking shite up as you all deserve this result.'

The manager picks the side not Neville.

As soon as I saw thier MF and our team selection I feared the worst.

Martinez freshened his team up with players who had not been playing recently Moyes picks the same old tired legs every game.

It has been obvious for over a month that Baines, Pienaar, Osman and Neville were struggling and in Jelavics case for the majority of the season.

Why no Velios or Oviedo on the bench today or for that matter even in the team.

They would have had the legs and the enthuiasm.

Moyes is draining the spirit out of the fringe players with this craziness.

We were gifted a route to Wembley and did our level best to chuck it away at every turn, God knows what would have been in store for us in the next round had we got through - ritual humiliation by teams that don't make their 'bad days at the office' in crunch knockout fixtures at home!

When it comes to stepping up to the plate Everton under Moyes do not have what it takes, simple as that. They are petrified by failure rather than driven by success, stumbling around lost whilst the competition know what they want and go for it.

Get Kenwright out, and get in an owner who has the vaguest intention of turning our club into a success and a manager with some bottle - and that man is called Steve Clarke.

So who?
Two mad names:
Mourinho
Benitez

Others?

I still think he has done good service in his time for us and if he does go then I personally will wish him the best of luck.

I'm not sure people expecting him to resign immediately have any grasp of reality. Maybe it would be a nice gesture but how often has that happened if ever? I also don't think its fair to put ALL the blame on Moyes as the players have to put their hands up and say they are all capable of playing a hell of a lot better than they did today.

I can't say that I think Moyes leaving would necessarily have a beneficial affect on the club but I would certainly be curious to see what another more dynamic manager might be able to do. Clearly they could not do a lot worse in the cups.

Could we get them? I would like to think we could lure one of them in. They all work under extremely low budgets. They would all do well in the premier league. Hell I would take the Valencia coach.

These are just a few of the top quality coaches who can work on a shoe string budget and who I believe could do a good job in the Premier League.as they know what they are doing..and pretty clear they know the English game too

Imagine a midfield with Gibson and Barkley pressing up behind Jelavic instead of Neville and child-like Osman. It's astounding that Moyes can fuck up as bad as this. He's been doing it for 11 years. Time to go now. And if the rumours are true that clubs like Schalke are unwilling to meet his wage demands, we should sack him not offer him a contract.

"I think he got it very wrong today with his team selection (by that I mean mainly Neville over Gibson) and clearly his ability to prepare/motivate the players"

I'm confused, you can apply the above to most of the really important games we've played under Moyes - what's the big difference about today?

You sound like you where sucked in really good by the media, and all their lies. The man has no tactics...how is that good exactly? The man relies entirely on percentage football, again how is that good exactly? The man repeatedly offends by naming the same dire shite players week in and out...ditto as above.

He built this team, and it's not good enough...he CLAIMED IT WAS THE BEST SQUAD HE HAD EVER HAD. Now you take a look at the utter shite in that team, and you try to justify giving some of them places in the starting team, let alone on the bench.

This has absolutely nothing to do with money, it's to do with managing resources, something he has never ever been able to do successfully. The man is a shithouse when it comes to big matches, he is tactically inept.

This is Everton Football Club, irrespecitive if we have money or not, the performances under this clown are utterly unacceptable anymore.

Where you there at arsenal when we got battered 7-1? or about the rest of worst results this club have ever seen under this man?

This season we have lived off the united and spurs wins, and the only reason we have managed to hold onto our league position , is simply because the league is utterly shite this season..12/13 draws and we are still 6th??

We flatter to decieve, and there are a lot of people blinded by the continued bullshit expoused by blue bill and the media. Yes I am thankful for being further up in the league but we are a big club, and we are in this league to win things.

Under this clown, the only thing we'll eventually win will be relegation and you can count on that. Money money blah blah..funny that, because teams like Swansea can go on to win the league cup, with Bradford in the final for crying out loud!..and what happened to us? thats right we got beaten by world beaters leeds from the championship.

Year after year after year, and the performances just get worse with each bad result, this is why it is imperative to get him out now...our season is now over, we won't go down this year, so it doesn't matter who we bring in, until we find someone more permanent, someone with drive, intelligence, tactically knows what he is doing...and wants to win things...you can't say that about our golem. he is a looser, because he looses in every big match that matters every single time without fail. Check all the european matches when it mattered..check the derby's when they matter..in fact check every single match that mattered under moyes..and they all share one thing in common..and that is more than enough reason for him to be gone and now. Today's result was a mere formality.

I have generally been a a supporter of Moyes over the years and appreciated his work overall in strengthening Everton during those years while disagreeing with selections, tactics etc during this time. However, things do seem to be unravelling at a rate of knots at the moment.

While none of us know what goes on behind the scenes, the one common denominator in the decline does seem to be this issue of him not committing himself to a new contract and the chairman and the board are culpable in not bringing that to a head immediately.

But in this sorry spectacle today, one decision by the manager has contributed to my almost complete loss of respect for him and that was his decision to throw Barkley into the shambles.

Here is a young man about whom there is much debate as to his merits; while many sing his praises, many, including the manager it seems, are not so sure. And yet, while at times not even putting him on the bench, nor having the conviction to introduce him during recent games, he then throws him into this dreadful shambles today. It is inexcusable and I would say unforgivable.

To me it smacked of "gesture politics" – nothing left to lose, throw Barkley on, most of them are crying for him anyway... Shameful.

I am going over old ground here, but the only way to avoid serious disturbance amongst the home crowd next week will be if the younger replacements are played. Absolutely nothing to lose but an awful lot to gain, if only pride.

There seems to be a lot of surprised people on here who are feeling angry but not me. This is a good day for Everton FC and our future. It gives me hope.

This is not knee jerk; David Moyes should salvage any integrity he has and resign, Phil Neville should retire today. The rest of the team probably havent' the wit to feel shame but they should give it a go.

Eugene, its not the first time that I think Moyes has got it wrong. But i'm sure there will be lots of times that you think he got it wrong and I think other factors have been at play. The point is that overall I think he has been a good manager for us...whereas I think you possibly you may disagree.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21730155

Do you really want to give him the Fellani/Baines/Miralles/Jagielka money?

The chances are they'll all be looking for the exits now!

Well said!

We'll be lucky if we can get Martinez, why should he want to come to us?

Agree with your sentiments.
Except for the ultimatum.
BK should withdraw the contract offer.
Shake hands, say goodbye at the end of the season.
I don't want him to sign that contract.

That gives us time to seek out a new manager and get them on board late in May if possible. It also shows the world that Everton FC call the shots.

DM has gone as far as he can and, while I wish him luck, I think the peak of his career as a manager will have already been in the past.

I don't think it will be a different team against City, regardless of who he plays and what formation.

They're in bit psychologically and will not recover from that.

Why so scared of giving Vellios or McAleny some game time? What, are they honestly going to have a poorer strike rate than Jelavic at the moment? Oviedo looks a player, but has been restricted to cameo appearances, despite the team being in a relative slump for the last couple of months...

Moyes has done a lot for this club, but he keeps making the same mistakes over and over. Time for someone new.

As for Moyes, I think he needs to go because we've gone stale. The first team is too old and there are too many players in there that need replacing and fast. Moyes has clung onto them for dear life and today we paid for it.

He has been a good manager for us and done incredibly well with a pathetic budget for a club our size. But the continued lack of board investment has finally done for him I'm afraid.

As for BK, I could go on forever but will leave it at no real Evertonian would have let it get like this. Clearly the club motto isn't something he comprehends.

However, I think Jelavic is out of physical form, at least he has been out of physical form, he has looked tired after 20-25 minutes... that is not normal in premier league. If physically fit he is good.

Then Anichebe... say what you want but he has been good this year. He has had several good goals when he actually has passed the defender banging the ball in. That is more impressive than many other goals. How many headers have we had? A lot.

We have some weak spots. The weird thing is that Moyes does not see them. The weakest spots are Neville and Heitinga. Neville simply does not fit anywhere. He shold definitely NOT play in midfield. The only thing he does with the ball is to give it away to the nearest man behind him, looking absolutey stressed out every time he gets the ball. With Neville in the midfield the whole midfield is dysfunctional.
He is not good in the defense either. He gives away too many passes and disrupts the game.

Heitinga has just lost whatever magic he had. Against Aston Villa he was absolutely disgraceful. He cannot play any good strikers, especially power strikers. Looks uninterested and has lost speed and will to play.
If you have played football you might know how irritating when playing with bad players interrupting the game. You get irritated and it affects your will to fight since fighting feels meaningless. How do you think it feels to play with Neville??

Defense. Jagielka is good in the center, Distin is still good, Baines is good(although his defense skills are not as impressive as his offensive skills). I also think Hibbers is decent on the pitch, not brilliant but he is a solid defense on the right side.

Then we have several decent players that plays way to little. I think Barkley, Oviedo, Vellios, Duffy should play more than they do. Also it could be interesting to try Junior and McAleny.

Goalies. I think this is a kind of weak spot as well. Howard is a decent goalie but he does too many weird things fairly often. This is I think the main reason why we the opponents score against us almost EVERY game. Mucha, have not seen enough of him to rate him.

All in all we have many good players. A good manager would get more out of them.

Moody, apathetic and generally shite, he treated the club and the fans with contempt. The sooner he and the ginger knob in charge leave, the better

I recently read an article with a number of comments arguing against having Martinez next season, well today you got a number of reasons why. He completely outclassed Davey in every department. He kept encouraging his players to keep going, but what did Mr Inspiration do? Stood there, absolutely clueless.

They passed us off the park and kept going for more goals and could have got at least 6. He also exposed our poor defending and weaknesses at corners and our mistakes unfortunately were to be our downfall. If that was us in Wigan's situation Moyes would have parked the bus at 1-0 leaving an agonising last half hour. He is a massive big game bottler, next Man Utd manager, you're having a laugh.

His subs were also baffling and summed Moyes up. He could have put Barkley on to replace Fella instead of putting Gibson on, who isn't a game changing player. If he was given half an hour instead of 5 minutes we could have possibly got 1 or maybe 2 goals back.

I would like Moyes to play some of the younger players against City next week, why doesn't he try Stones, Vellios, Oviedo and Barkley who offered more in 5 minutes than Osman has in the last few games. At least they would be up for it and not hopelessly outpaced like Neville and Heitinga. I should also mention that Fellaini played his worst game in a Blues shirt today, and his tantrum when he was subbed could be a sign that he wants his Chelsea move in the summer.

Liverpool went to Wigan last week and could have got double figures, whereas we couldn't hit a barn door. Someone mentioned on this site that we could still get Top 4, well there is absolutely no chance after that today.

People on here got excited after the Oldham game, saying that this would spur us on to Europe, well this shows that we are a long way from the likes of City, Spurs and Man Utd because such a result would be expected.

God help us against City because we have got to defend and perform 100 times better than that or else we could be in for an absolute hiding. If we lose 5 or 6 against Man City, Moyes should do the honourable thing and walk.

Kenwright should inform Moyes that he will not be offered a new contract when his current one expires. The team and the squad need to be revamped with an influx of fresh legs. Moyes gives no indication that he is the man to do that. It is time for a new man to take the lead.

I like David Moyes. I like the fact that we have finished in the top 8 regularly under Moyes in the past decade as opposed to scrapping to stay up during the previous decade. Football in England changed dramatically in the late Eighties/early nineties and Everton, for various reasons that have been covered on Toffeeweb numerous times, weren't in a position to capitalise. We have however moved on under Moyses tenure to expect a much more respectable Premier League position each year. I think the the standard of the league has also improved noticeably over this time too. The 'Whipping Boys' are no longer there, newly promoted teams compete on spending with established Premier League teams pressing for Europe.

I think Moyes has done a really good job but I do believe he has achieved all he can with us and he knows it. Every single one of us has our limitations and Moyes has reached his tactically and motivationally. I thought it was telling during the week when Leighton Baines was quoted as saying that this Everton side was better than the cup winners of 95'. This is probably true, but the 'Dogs of War' attitude under Joe Royle's guidance beat Man Utd that day when, player for player they had the better team.

The best performances under Moyes individually and team wise have echoed this attitude. 4-4 v Man Utd last season, the 09' cup run, the desire of Tim Cahill to beat defenders much taller than him to crucial headers, the comeback against Spurs this season to cite a few. Moyes was a gritty but limited defender in his playing days, and it shows. Tactically we rarely outclass our opposition. Our attacking movement is all to often painfully slow and predictable despite our first eleven having the most creative best attacking players of Moyes reign.

It is with a heavy heart that I think Moyes will leave at the end of this season as he knows he has no more to offer. He can't take us to the next level, with or without an arab billionaire, but we should all take a moment to think about where the club sits today compared to this time 11 years ago!

I hope this isn't taken as a fatuous opinion, as I write with the best intentions of our beloved club at heart.

"At least they tried", FFS. Tried what? Fellaini was shite and acted like a nob. He'll go in June and bring in a few bob. Osman and Neville will still be here. There's a thought to cheer everyone up.

Ossie is a player I like for his close control but he is too easily pushed off the ball and gives the ball away in a dangerous positions too often.

Now that, in my view, there is nothing left to play for this season (Europa league notwithstanding) the safety first approach can surely no Ionger be justified and I would like to see players like Barkley, Oviedo, Hitz and Velios get a game ahead of the established players. I really don't think they could do much worse and they might just display that they have what it takes.

Not bringing in reinforcements in January was a huge mistake and today's debacle was the result. We need to freshen things up, and in the absence of new buys for heaven's sake give the fringe players a go.

A couple of years ago he was on the bench. Moyes stubborn as always played with Cahill and several other players on the field(don't remember exactly who). One of the few reasons Everton fought back was because of injuries.

Beacuse of the injuries the "Good" players like Osman got a chance to play and Everton started winning again.

I blame the manager. Never used to......but I do now.

And that's the problem - we lost today because the team is compromised for individuals. Which wouldn't be so bad if it was compromised for the benefit of the right individuals!

Why start with Jelavic, a striker who doesn't look like scoring any time soon. Just start with Anichebe – he's not the best but at least he has a go and worries defenders.

Shane Duffy can't be much worse than Heitinga... give him a chance, maybe give players like Barkley, Junior and Vellios a chance.

At the end of the day, Moyes is his own worst enemy; he just doesn't seem to be able to notice things most fans can see.

Barkley, Vellios and Duffy should definitely start against City, maybe even bring Oveido or Hitzlsperger into the team. All us fans ask is the players put some effort in; he's built a good team but doesn't know how to ultilise the players in the team.

Try something different! He just plays the same tactics all the time hoff the ball to Fellaini, opposition teams have worked us out yet Moyes will still put the same team out against City.

He's lost the supporters now... he won't get a job at any big club because of the fact he hasn't won anything, so he's stuck here. Personally I believe he's waiting on the Chelsea job — that's why he's not signing his contract.

Today was a massive wake-up call, a beating from a team that most of us consider pretty poor but, to me, that's all it was. EFC are still sixth in the PL; Wigan are in the relegation places tonight. The league doesn't lie.

There are probably a load of managers that would love to come and manage us if Moyes does go in the summer. I think there is change on the horizon for a lot of the squad and possibly the manager but, if Moyes does stay, then I'm still behind him.

ps: Fellaini was awful today, shame he picked the day we are on "normal" telly to have an off day.

On the 4th is still possible thread I wrote ' Players and management bottlers to a man '

On the Abandon the dream thread I wrote '...consider it done, Bill has.

Little did I know how right I would be.

The short version reply to all this post match angst is...

Walter got the sack for shite like this.

It's a good job they don't have the cushions now it would've been a blizzard.

People leaving after 35 mins, not seen that before.

Only muted booing at the end ( see above?? )

Tony Marshes chickens coming home to roost.

People on the match day forum saying.... seems like the MOB were right.

If only Boys Pen Billy was actually in charge and not just Earl and Green glove puppet... Moyes and all his minionswould be gone ( google the Cronulla situation ) by Sunday Lunch.

With all said lackeys henchmen minions and yes men gone ( and you pip )

Who in the team would you make player coach....well...

The ( on field ) silence of the lambs ( to the slaughter ) is part of the problem

As for the alleged boos on the Fellaini substitution. He had a poor game but the boos were for a substation which removed our top scorer! By playing up front, Fellaini was the best hope for scoring a goal or assisting.

Today bringing on Ross when 3 down got to me more than 'that 4 minutes'. Fucking unbelievable, it really was. He brings him on at three down hoping for a miracle, but can'tget a game against Oldham.

Don't know who will replace him but anything is better than what we have to endure, maybe Big Joe.

To all the Moyes lovers, there was life before him, they'll be life after him.

WE ARE EVERTON!

Things were falling apart so he just gave up and started fucking about. That stupid backheel wound me up, and when he stopped playing and turned his back on a Wigan player with the ball I just wanted Moyes to sub him, send him down the tunnel and fuck him off from the club. Thankfully Moyes at least got that right.

I've no time for Fellaini now. We saw what he thinks is the required effort for this club. Not good enough. Fuck off.

(A) Baines: "We need to prove that we are better than 1995 blues."
(B) Heitinga; "looking for redemption'
(C) "Still hope for 4th."
(D) Moyes says it was just "one of those days"
(E) Moyes's FA Cup record.

What infuriates me the most about the whole contract situation is that its showing what a hypocrite Moyes is. During the Pienaar saga a couple of years ago, Moyes made all these noises about him not signing and shipped him out to the highest bidder when he wouldn't sign. If Kenwright had the balls, he should do the same, and get rid now so we can get someone in now in preparation of attempting a decent run next year.

"Why would he resign? Your hopes don't play any part in reality and 10 weeks left of the season is hardly going to make him jump when he'll still be chasing 4th."

I've gotta ask.... You're taking the piss, right???????

Don't be a dick, mate, you actually sound like you're enjoying yourself.

no argument that Moyes got it completely wrong today and some of our so-called stars really do need to take a good long look at themselves... but to say that he has disgraced the club and that any Everton supporter who has given him their backing is an idiot... well that's a disgrace in itself.

Neville & Osman in midfield, FFS — when was the last time they passed to a blue shirt? Both off them are piss poor and the people on here who stick up for them are deluded.

You are obviously a very nice person, but fuck me, pal!

"It is no shame to hold a different view."

It is when you're the Evertonian equivalent of a flat-earther!

He has to go.

'Chasing 4th'! Well we are 7th at this particular point in time as I watch Sewer-Rat cut through the Spuds defence and watching the happy smiling faces at Anfield is gut-crushing Moyes.

'Chasing 4th' you deluded unseeing status quo merchant. More than a few on these boards have written that you appear to be luvvy Dahling chubby Billy's agent or perhaps you are the shitbag himself, ghosting in on here as you sit in 1st class on the way back to Lahhnndon. Seemingly silly, I know, but isn't it revealing of you how many people write about you in that vein and you with your head in the sand as the tide comes in fast.

The sort of deluded nothing-to-fix rote that you splurt gets us absolutely nowhere – hang on, newsflash, Spuds level, we're back in 6th, hurrahhh – and is, quite frankly, damaging. All change please.

We're arriving at Euston Mr Kenwright/Entwhistle: "Phew, home, got back in one piece Jenny, Scouse cunts, don't know what's good for them as I do, that would be lovely Dahling, vension, and Dicky IS coming round, heavenly, oh it was 2-0, no we lost, hang on 3-0, he's a little upset, but you know Davey, car waiting Jenny, hugs".

IN MOYES WE RUST

Wish I could feel differently; we need to look in the mirror... so do the owners.

An anagram of 'DAVID MOYES AND EVERTON' is

"NOSEDIVED TO A MAD NERVY END"

FUCK OFF YOU OVERPAID MEDIOCRITY MONKEY.

Shit at anagrams like.

Well that's him back in the reserves then!

And that's where he should stay until he learns to hit a ball so weakly that a shot (from leaving the foot to hitting the corner flag) takes the required 8 seconds of ball bobbling and pea-rolling.

(surely Neville could show him how, you know with all his coaching badges and stuff)

Phil will be with Stones and Duffy on "Pointing Exercise" followed by "How To Punctuate Every Movement with a STOP" training.

We have Ossie for "Powder Puff Shooting Practice".....

Who the fuck are you to call blues who have supported Moyes "deluded" - I mean, who the fuck are YOU.

Do you go to GP you internet typo freak? Because I do not know any blues at GP who would belittle their own, it don't happen. Do you get some joy slagging off blues who have given Moyes their support, blues who go to Goodison and support this club. I have supported Moyes, I am fucking pissed and now I want him gone, along with that blank Neville and "I love myself" Fellaini - but, I would never slag off blues who have a different opinion to me. Never.

You need to keep your rhetoric shite to yourself? Slagging off fellow blues - fuckme.

Followed by - "I would never slag off blues who have a different opinion to me. Never".

Love it!

By the way Mike, you state " I have supported Moyes, I am fucking pissed and now I want him gone"

Question - Is your use of 'pissed' the British or the American version?

(comes across as the British version but one never knows these days..dude).

I tend to refrain from on-line arguments as they usually end with the laptop going against the wall. However, I’ve read your response and I have not got a clue what you are going on about. The American or British version of the word “pissed”? As I’ve never been to the US we can safely say that it’s the English version, so if I’ve spelt the word incorrectly we can blame spell checker or my inability to match compliance standards. Take your fucking pick.

But what has the above got to do with blues logging onto TW and reading abusive shite from so called fellow blues – absolutely nothing. I get up of reading posts that do nothing other than abuse blues who have supported Moyes. By all means have a crack at BK, Moyes, Neville or who-ever you want, media products and email addresses are available and free to use, so fill your fucking boots.

There is nothing to be gained from “knowing” that Moyes was shite several years ago and now typing that all other blues were prats, sheep, deluded or sad fuckers because they weren’t on the same wave length as you. I mean, all these posters were fucking quiet at the start of the season, but, as with a lot of things in life, just wait and your time will come.

As for me having a go at Max Murphy! If the guy had been at GP on Saturday he would have known that all blues were fucked off at what was going on, absolutely everyone – it was like the 80’s with the stewards ejecting fans for the aggression being aimed at Moyes and co. So my take on Max’s post is that it was nothing more than abuse aimed at blues he knows nothing about.

Yep, I want Moyes gone - basically because we are heading for an in-house riot at GP if things continue as they are.

Eugene – is that English enough for you?

Basically, I'm with you, though. I wasn't at GP on Saturday, but this site is bubbling over at the moment. There's a lot of name calling going on, and it's not good. We ought to stick together, if we can.

Fine, so you meant were drunk, not angry

There IS a difference and your use of pissed WAS unclear given the two completely different meanings and that the context seemed more angry than drunk.

To be honest, I'm now impressed with your Charles Bukowski-like ability to write whilst bladdered.

Cheers!

"Write whilst bladdered" – the game was two day ago and my original post was about 2 hours ago. So sadly, I have to let you down regarding the multiple skill sets.

However, I now see what you are getting at.... my use of the word "pissed" was aimed at anger and being fucked-off as there were no beers on my part till the post match audit. Maybe it was a throw back to the 70s, 80s or 90s – it certainly felt those times.

Yep - cheers.

I have discussed this with my Cardiff City supporting workmates who all think I'm nuts / having a knee jerk reaction / don't know what you have until its gone etc... I used the Dave Jones / Malky McKay analogy where a change in management to a more tactically flexible man has taken them from scrabbling for a playoff place year on year to challenging for automatic promotion. Perhaps its time for Kenwright to make a bold move, though I think he is probably happy with Moyes steady top half finish.