Moyes says it was just ''one of those days''

I think he looks so down now because not only has he alienated himself even further from the supporters but has probably put paid to a new contract which I for one am pleased about!!

I like Moyes but today he got it horribly wrong. Neville and Osman!!! The subs should have been on at 2-0 or at least straight after 3. Jelavic, Osman, Neville, Heitinga and Pienaar (apart from last week) have been shit for ages now and it just goes to show what an opportunity we missed in the January transfer window when 4th was looking achievable.

Fellaini's attitude stunk - "The whole team is in it together" well when push came to shove very few showed any ability to fight for the cause. Neville geeing everyone on after he makes the pass of the game to gift them the 2nd. Fuck off Phil.

Champions League... we're having a laugh!!!

We just fell apart. It would not have mattered who started and who came on and when the whole team from the kick-off were an absolute disgrace to the shirt and the Club. Everyone in the ground was up for this game except those arseholes wearing Blue shirts.

We were slow to the ball, poor in the tackle – just absolute abysmal. If we were still playing, we still wouldn't have scored. Wigan were up for this and they steamrollered us – how fucking sad is that!

Moyes needs to get everyone of those arseholes in in the morning and make them watch a rerun of that. He should have made them walk around outside the ground after the game and let every one of them get the dogs abuse they all deserve. I've only been disgusted in my team a few times in over 50 years of going – this was one of them

Today is inexcusable, shameful.

David Moyes, please leave Everton now.

Sums the negative twat up.

I was in the lower Street End and everyone was going mad when this disgraceful 'tactic' was employed.

GET RID NOW and he can take that charlatan masqerading as our Chairman with him. Just wish his smug grid would have poped up on the big screen today.

And I NEVER want to see that phony Phil Neville in a Blue shirt AGAIN.

Sadly it all means we have to endure a couple of months of everyone going through the motions – watching the RS overtake us – and then seeing our better players leave (along with Moyes) this summer.

No sign of Bill leaving, so it's back to the drawing board. Let's hope a new manager with a bit more tactical ummph and enthusiasm will take his place...but do you think Martinez would accept a sideways move?

Wrong team selection, inability to react, hoof ball tactics, negative approach.

I think it is time for Davie to follow Walter's lead.

As for the superstar that is Fellaini can people please get out of their heads that he's world class. He strolls round like he's Beckenbaur. But doesn't bring anything to the side. He can't pass a ball can't strike a ball can't tackle and is easily bullied out of games

And if hear anyone uttering that line again, "Jelavic is only a goal away from going on a run" — I'll scream. He's not; he's fucking useless. For fuck's sake, give someone else a go! He's got one goal since December... it's shocking.

We could argue til were blue in the face about the contract situation affecting the players. That doesn't excuse the fact we were outclassed by a side fighting relegation – a side walloped the week before and in a shit run of form. All-in-all... gutted. But not entirely surprised because of team selection.

This pathetic loss runs a lot deeper than such a simple one-man explanation. I've even seen some ToffeeeWebers blaming the entire loss on the Neville backpass. They can't have been watching the same match as me, we were never in it.

The players just didn't turn up today. End of story. They were pretty much all, to a man, rubbish. Perhaps they just couldn't handle the big occasion – as they so often haven't in the past.

Maybe it just meant more to us supporters than them. Money is ruining the modern game. They all got paid handsomely today for that "performance".

I truly feel for the hardworking man in Liverpool who paid out good money that they can barely afford to watch that today.

Thank goodness he hasn't signed a contract... It is a shame Laudrup has mind.

Every failing you have pointed out is a player's poor performance.

What were we treated too? A bunch of millionaires not giving a shit, coached by another millionaire without a clue about how to motivate said charlatans masquerading as footballers. Well, I've had enough.

Fellani was a disgrace today; if he's a £25m player then things really are going downhill... Neville was a joke. A snail can run faster than Heitinga. Pienaar spent more time moaning at the ref or giving the ball away than anyone else. Coleman was slipping over or caught out of position too often. Jelavic was woeful and can't control a ball. Osman was too slow and Baines failed to get a single ball in the box other than corners....

The only one who came out of it with his reputation intact was Distin for me.

Freak results happen, and 3 goals in 3.5 mins killed the game. We seldom score more than 2 in a match anyway, so 3-0 down at home to a Wigan team with their tails up was the end.

But I know many fans won't have been surprised. The squad was never good enough to challenge for 4th with too many players guaranteed their place, no matter how poor their form. The lack of January transfer activity confirmed to many of us that we're destined for another season of what ifs.

We've now got several games coming up where we traditionally struggle to get anything out of the fixture. The same old excuses will be rolled out by the usual suspects, and we repeat the process. Toffeeweb's pages are as predictable as some of our results at Emirates/Anfield/Stamford Bridge!

a) stop listening
b) get very annoyed and look for another job
c) claim bullying and and unfair dismissal when you eventually resign

The players didn't perform today. You can't always blame the manager.

They aren't pointless – I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth, that's a poor argument.

But if you can't see the wood for the tree's, then what else can I say? You cannot blame today's performance on Moyes alone. The players (almost all) were terrible.

I'm not a Moyes defender. I don't hold him blameless for this. But some of you are holding the players blameless, and that's shameful.

The man has won an awful lot of matches for us over the last eleven years and I am sure he really wanted to win another today.The fact that his players weren't up for it will have hurt him greatly and I am sure there will be repercussions for some of them.

In the meantime, let`s all get real. The world won`t end tonight and next week we`ll still be cheering on our beloved Blues!

believing that Neville was a better bet in midfield than Gibson

or that Jelavic deserved a start (again) over Anichebe,

or that the Heitinga/ Distin partnership works,

or that not playing younger, hungrier, fitter, fresher players instead of Heitinga/Osman/ Neville/ Jelavic / Pienaar is a good idea

or believing that Wigan didn't want to win the match and setting up accordingly

or that not signing his contract would have a positive affect on Team performances,

or that holding the Club to ransom over said contract by holding out for a better offer (either from the Club or elsewhere) is a decent way to behave; given that any player similarly holding out to go on a "free" would be viilified by Manager and suppporters alike

or believing that any other "Big" Club is going to want to employ him over the likes of Mourinho and a host of other probable managers.

or lifting his skirts so embarassingly last year for Spurs or his antics this year in this regard would go unnoticed by anyone with half a brain

or for thinking that patronising Evertonians who bleed blue blood actually buy the patronising line of this being as good as it gets, because he and Bill say so (plucky Everton "punching above our weight" and all that bollocks spouted by both those two and their media mates.

He and "Boys Pen" Billy may be delusional but I'm not and I think increasingly neither are other Blues. Today's result has been coming since before Christmas. We got exactly what we deserved today...nada; but it wasn't because Wigan played well, it was because 11 professionals playing in Blue Shirts played poorly, without belief and no discernable game plan and the fact that Moyes won't admit it and chooses to praise Wigan just reinforces the sense of delusion and feeds my disillusionment and that of many others.

I respect your opinion a lot, and of course the manager has to do that – but he isn't entirely 100% responsible for their performance. Just as employee's, our boss isn't entirely responsible for us when we mess up and its our fault. If that were the case, only managers would be sacked, and not employees, and that's rarely the case (football is weird in that respect, only because of the cost of players contracts).

And today, the players were at fault. It's been Moyes's tactics many times in the past, but today they players are to blame.

3-0 down and like someone else said when they had a corner, 11 men back in the area. Moyes has not got a clue.

Let's not make a fool of ourselves in Europe, we might be okay in the earlier rounds but that's about it. Baines was the only decent performer today.

What are we - Amazonian rain-forest dwellers who see everything as simply being the plan of the gods and therefore just smile philosophically when it pisses down and say (like Moyes) 'just one of those days'.

Let's be honest - expressions like "The players just didn't turn up today" (or Moyes equally stupid "It was one of those days") are fucking nonsense.

There are actual REASONS for why things do or don't happen on a football field.

If the players 'don't turn up' there's a reason - the manager.

He picks them, he trains them, he buys them.

Phil Neville was (and has been) fucking shite, BUT Phil Neville did not select Phil Neville

This suggestion of 'well it was written in the stars" or "well it's the cup" is about as piss-weak as 'excuses' get.

The reason for coaches and training and tactics and this player over that player and video analysis and conditioning is so players DO turn up.

Of course there's no guarantee of results, but fuck me, if we start excusing results like todays with that kind of two-bob shite, we might as well not have managers - just pull 11 names out of a hat and leave it to fate.

That YOU might not want to hear/accept/discover the reasons for WHY the players didn't 'turn up' and prefer to suggest some ethereal cobblers is up to you, but don't give it all that 'End of story' shite because in reality it doesn't even HINT at 'the story'.

I know its flawed - football managers get sacked and not players, I said it. But they get sacked as they are easiest to get rid of, and cheaper. Easier and cheaper to sack the £50k a week manager than the six £80k a week players who didn't perform.

you are right of course.

No it's not the end of the world but at half-time it fucking felt like. Do you expect everyone to just shrug their shoulders and just say, "Oh well, there's always next year..."? But there's not under this one-trick pony shithouse of a manager, is there?

I think you need to get real if you're happy with that shambolic performance — but then you're probably the type of fan who thinks Osman is a complete midfielder.

Another reason why managers get sacked and not players.

Its one thing to make mistakes. It's another to make the same mistakes every week for months on end.

I said they had no transfer/asset value other than remainder of contract value. I know you like your facts Michael when making a point, so maybe you can re-read...

The other thing I noticed is that the whole Everton squad seems to be like a bunch of pussies... Where's the tough guys? The guys that roll up the sleeves an get stuck in? We're too nice... I can bet you now that every Everton fan would of killed to see a Carsley or a Big Dunc out there today.

My own summary : the players to blame a lot for what happened today, and I'm sticking by that.

So I'll bow out for now. I must just be wrong.

I think Moyes has improved us from when he took over, no question, but we are now going backwards. Apologies to whoever said it earlier, you're quite right, it's a slow, lingering death.

Captain Pip, it's been clear for sometime now that it's a season too many for him, yet he keeps getting a game. That's not his fault, he doesn't pick the team.

Johnny, he has not been at the races all season. Why, who knows, but to keep picking him when Jags or Distin are not available, it doesn't make sense. If I was Shane Duffy, I would be battering the managers door down to find out what I had to do to get a game. Not to get a chance despite the season JH is having, what does that say about the managers opinion of me.

Ossie, needs a rest, Pienaar last week excepted, hasn't kicked a ball for months, jelly, confidence shot,Felli, totally disinterested but they still keep getting picked.

Oviedo, Hitz, Duffy, Barkley, Vic, they must be thinking whats the point, no matter how these guys play I will never get picked before them.

It is still in our hands, we could finish very high up the league, but the chances are that DM's inability to learn from his mistakes, and worse to keep making the same ones, we will probably finish 8th/9th, a crap return when top 4 was there for the taking if only DM and Bill had gone for it.

Has there ever been a more pointless....point?

I mean how exactly is one supposed to respond to it?

"Hey I never thought of that - that is a VERY good point, I will immediately shut the fuck about losing my legs, because on the plus side, the planet has not exploded in a huge fireball - RESULT!"

The man has very little money to spend, has no crowds at the DW, but still keeps them in the Premier League year after year. (And his players are on peanuts compared to what Everton pay!)

He has to sell his best players every year (Valencia, Rodiellga etc), but his team tactically outplayed Everton with players from Chile, Austria etc who he gets the best out of, while we have to put up with Championship players like Neville and Osman in the centre of our midfield!

Moyes and his 'BIG' salary and Kenwright "I don't take a penny from the club" have been found out and supporters need to get them out or get used to more of the same while Davy and Bill get richer by the week and are content with just getting the big money from the Premier League every season.

Collectively the whole team plus subs were outplayed and out paced by Wigan !!
Nothing was down to tactical blunders...the players all played badly but all the blame is put on Moyes.

The board did not use the transfer window to strengthen an obviously jaded squad.
I was apprehensive BEFORE the game and so were many others who write on this site.

We have not had decent subs all season and now its come back to bite us.
The whole board is a disgrace and I do not blame Moyes as much as a lot on here do.
Having played the game I know that it is mainly down to the players.
Lots of teams have days like today and that includes all the big money spenders.
The players that played today are all we have to choose from and they must get it right from now on.
Some played at half cock, some did not look interested and some caved in when we went three down.....they are all we have !!
We can trot out Duffy and Barkley next game and see what happens but that is about all we can do.
If Wigan play like that for the rest of this season they will get out of trouble (I hope so).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21730155

Be staggered if he's in charge for the next game.

' So, as the pages of the calendar turn over to the conclusion of Moyes' deal, decision time comes closer. Moyes explained he wanted to see how his side fared in the Cup and the league - now one avenue has been closed off. If Moyes wanted to wait and see, there was nothing encouraging to see here. '

'There are a variety of forces now at work at Everton surrounding Moyes and the decision that will shape his and the club's immediate future. '

I wonder who or what those forces are?

Gomez and McCarthy must have been rubbing their hands together at our soft centre.

It would have been subject to the usual mutual consent bollocks, along with a legal undertaking meaning that he couldn't say a word about what was really going on behind the scenes. So on that basis, we the fans would be non the wiser and a large percentage of us would still think the sun shined out of Kenwrights arse !!

I think Moyes is a genuine guy, I just think he has taken us as far as he can. I think he himself needs a new challenge, and we as a team need a new manager with fresh ideas.

How successful that will be however, with the current pathetic and financially paralysed owners/board, remains to be seen, I for one certainly won't be holding my breathe !!!

Moyes will still be here. Kenwright will still be here.

Very disappointing!

I humbly submit, if that fate could befall Harry Catterick, what price the very average David Moyes?

Says a lot about his attitude I think!

Much has be said about how far Moyes has taken Everton as far as they can go, and that Moyes deserves a chance with a "bigger" club. My take is that we need the change for the club to kick on to the higher level, not the manager.

Good to see Barkley make an appearance today, but taking Mirallas off? Why?

Where is Vellios? Is Victor a right winger? I have seen him in training, he needs to be up front every time.

And please, what on earth was Baines doing when he kicked the ball out of play for a player who was not even on the field, to receive treatment?

Re an earlier post, why would BK sack DM when he is out of contract at the end of the season? Last time the contract was on the table in the January and Moyes delayed signing, this time no contract has been offered.

I took my boy today! 6 years old! child cruelty?! Nah, just a shit day at the office for Moyes and Co...which cost me a total of £100 and other fans similar amounts!

Minimal effort...fucking wank. I'd keep only 2 people presently at the club...Baines & Mirallas...Felliani can fuck off with all of the other shite...

"Most of the players we have available to us are internationals and they have many qualities, but the biggest is the collective spirit and desire to win for Everton. It's part of the DNA at this club and I hope that you supporters have seen it and today you'll see it again as the players and the staff try make your Saturday night as good as we possibly can."

When it comes to the crunch, DM just hasn't got it.
In big games we bottle it - FA Cup final and semi, League Cup Final and most Derby matches.

I could see today coming and wasn't that surprised. To feel like that says it all. The RS semi-final was the low point of the Moyes era for me as I expected success and was sickened by the performance and result that day. Today, as DM put it post-match, was "just one of those days".

Bollocks.

Even the "good" first half of this season was a surprise given the pre-season shenanighans.

Now it's back to same, tired, stale manager, football, post-match comments etc etc etc.

Time for a spring clean out. Get rid of the dead wood. Start again.

The first goal was the fault of whoever thought little Osman could mark Figueroa. The horrific second should be Neville’s swan song into retirement. And the third was the same pathetic passivity that marked the attack all day, exemplified by the useless Fellaini. The only passion on display from anyone besides Mirallas and Distin was the endless whining to the referee about nothing. That this team should produce this display in the biggest game of the season, at home against an inferior opponent, is inexcusable – and it’s on Moyes. I have no complaints about his lineup or substitutions. But this was clearly a flat, uninspired side.

This season is pretty much over. The way we’re playing, we’ll be lucky to get three points out of our next three games. So no chance for 4th, no chance for 5th unless both Arse and the RS fold up. Nothing left to play for except finishing ahead of the RS, and I really don’t care about that. Time to close the accounts of Neville and Heitinga, send Gibson off to surgery to get ready for September, and find some nice comfy seats for Osman, Pienaar and Jelavic while we blood as many of the young players as possible in the final 10 games of the season. I want to see what we really have in Barkley, Oviedo, Duffy, Vellios, McAleny etc. before the manager and roster decisions are made in the summer.

But I don’t think it will happen.

I'm not one of his supporters, but I've always thought he conducted himself with dignity.

I can now only now conclude he's either deluded or has no honour?

Go now!!!

However he was let down by the other players as well, sure he picks the team and trains them but its the PLAYERS who didnt turn up today and they should not be not be excused blame.

The simplistic argument that the players didnt turn up so its just Moyes fault is too simplistic. Ask yourself has no one you trusted ever let YOU down in your life? When they let you down was that your fault then?

The players were in the main a disgrace today and let down the fans and the manager.

I agree and well said mate, you can see the greater picture!

Kenwright has allowed him to build a team of OAPs that wouldn't last 5 minutes in the Europa or CL.

New build a youthful team for the long term.

Sorry - meant semi final - drowning my sorrows and the ales started talking.

Here's a crazy thought - there was a time when Everton managers were SACKED for their inability to win trophies.

Now we worship the 'Moyesiah' for taking us to the 'promised land' of 40 points a season.

If Everton managers are no longer ACCOUNTABLE for performances and winning trophies then BK should do the decent thing and let us MUGS who still care know.

Andy (#090 You have more or less echoed what I said earlier.

I asked the question before: Who did we have on the bench to alter the state of the game? I honestly believe we have the weakest bench in the league and I have said this while we were winning prior to the January transfer window.

This bungling board let EVERYONE down in January when it was openly obvious that the first team needed a few fresh faces to retain the impetus of the great start we made to the season. Once more after a defeat, it's the manager who is the punch ball for the board and they seem to get off Scot free.

I was really afraid when I saw who we had available for this game. We totally missed the boat in January and this board have written this season off because we now have enough points to stay up.

If Moyes go's at the end of this season we will be losing one of our best ever managers. He has been finally let down, frustrated and looks broken to me. This board will take the plaudits if we win but skulk in the background when we lose.

Talk about double standards

Wigan looked ten times the athletes we did, knocking us off the ball, and with seemingly miles more pace. Our only reply was to try and hoof it to Fellaini or Jelavic when the chips were down, do we really pay £4m a year for this tactical masterclass?

What manager in world football has all 11 players in his own box when 3-0 down in a Cup game? Would a Sunday League managervever employ such idiotic tactics?

We now find the club being held to ransom by this fraud, what a fucking shambles. Spurs gave Redknapp his P.45 after finishing 4th, we are on our knees begging this man to stay, after shaming the club with his shite. Incredible.

boat?...you mean ship. A sinking one.

To be a player apologist and suggest that it's because Moyes did this or that is complete bollocks, and is making excuses for multi millionairre professional footballers who just fucking bottled it. I am not saying you're doing that by the way mate. They are all responsible for this shambles.

boat?...you mean ship. A sinking one.

If Everton players play at 'half cock' - down to Moyes.

If Everton players don't look 'interested' - down to Moyes.

If Everton players cave in when we are three down - down to Moyes.

Not only that, but if Everton are outpaced by Wigan - down to Moyes.

You say nothing was down to tactical blunders?

Nonsense - it's a tactical blunder (always!) to play Neville in midfield (or anywhere)

Yes the players played shite but they're HIS players.

He bought them.

He picked them.

He trained them....badly.

Oh and to say 'they are ALL we have' is also simply not the case.

He has been, in the opinion of many, ultra cautious with some of our younger players.

Fine when you have a successful/winning side, but when things need freshening up...he hasn't.

When he could have been brave, he hasn't

The dogged, intransigent presbyterian, repeating the same mistakes/tactics/players over and over and over and... learning nothing it seems.

I don't hate David Moyes and I do believe he is a decent man.

Many times (even this morning come to think of it) I have paid him compliments regarding his dedication.

But he's going backwards, has undoubtedly gone stale and I believe his contract HAS become a distraction.

I think if would be better for Everton if he went and I think it would be better for David Moyes too.

Were you watching the same game as the rest of us today?

You are in the absolute tiniest of minorities!

Did you see that nearly empty stadium well before the end or hear the boos?

The fans didn't leave or boo because they're upset DM has no money to spend, it was for another reason!

Do you know what it is?

I'll give you a clue: just maybe the don't want him to have that money to spend?

Anyway, before the game, on paper, we should have had more than enough to see off a team fighting relegation, who embarrassed themselves last week. I've seen some awful displays over the years and that one is up there with them.

Moyes is devoid of ideas, a First World War general, fighting a Second World War battle. Let's play the fringe players / kids from now on, see what we have got and start again, preferably without Dithery Dave and that Belgian phoney and his deluded dad.

As for Moyes, I have been a fan of his up to Christmas this year and I've defende him on this site. But no more. He is clearly leaving at the end of the season but even with that knowledge, when the big game came around and he had a chance to take us to Wembley, he bottled it once again and reverted to type with his team selection. Heitinga and Neville are clearly busted flushes but they were on the team sheet when Duffy and Gibson (or even Barkley) would have been better suited to this game.

As soon as we went behind we capitulated and it was clear that there was no Plan B (some might even say there was no plan A). I don't think that Martinez is the answer but at least he came with a game plan today and a tactic to exploit our weaknesses. We had nothing.

The whole club stinks from top to bottom. A tired and worn out stadium. A tired and out of ideas manager and ageing and under talented team. No money, no ideas and no prospects unless we have a route and branch clear out from top to bottom. Bring in a new manager with new ideas. Sell Fellani and give said new manager the money to buy young, hungry players and let's start again. I'd rather finish 12th and have seen a different style week in week out next year than the same old staid and laboured shit we have been witnessing of late.

Dan Mckie – #931. Spot on, Moyes’s mantra has totally fucking gone.

Richard Dodd #969. Seriously - I mean fucking seriously, that was Wigan who popped over the M6 and gave Moyes a serious lesson in football!!!!!!!

As for Neville - your days as anything that resembles a footballer are fucking finished.

Moyes – fucking wow, how many fuck ups can one person make, or allow to happen, in a 90 minute window. Take all the publicity and self image that you think you have, pop into BK’s office and tell him to fuck right off. Then leave this wonderful club.

Next time I have a shit day at work and I do a bad job, I'll blame my boss.

Moyes is responsiible for picking the team. He certainly should take the blame for picking Neville, Osman and Jelavic. They are all clearly not worth a place in the side at the moment and havent been for weeks.

You blame him for picking Baines and Fellaini then do you? They were sensible logical selections pre kick off, that any manager would have included in the side. The fact that they were shite is down to the players not Moyes.

You put the fault of defeat squarely at the foot of the board for not providing Moyes with the funds to beat Wigan. Here's a fucking wake-up call for you.

Wigan spend about HALF what we do on players. Their turnover is about £30M / season LESS than us, and they sold some of their best players last season and turned a profit.

We weren't playing Barca. We weren't playing Chelsea. We were playing a team brought together on a much smaller budget.

Moyes bought or retained ALL the players in the squad. If the squad is too shit to beat Wigan, then the blame lies squarely at the clueless, negative twat in charge who is one of the highest paid managers in the league yet bottles it every single time we get near a trophy, regardless of the opposition.

I firmly believe that most of the players have seen through Moyes and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they're not giving 100% to get the dour tit out of our club.

Only 1 player today really showed some fight for the entire game and that was Mirallas. Osman was poor, Neville was an embarrassment to himself and the club; most of that squad should be donating their wages to a charity this week. The performance from manager and players was just unacceptable.

Gibson would have made a massive difference, because I'd bet my last pound that had he started, instead of Neville, he wouldn't have made the pass for the second and he would also have been in his usual position in front of the back four to block the third, so you see, we did have a player who would have made a difference, but it's a little difficult for him to do that from the bench, and that is definitely the fault of the manager, and nobody else.

I do agree that he has been shafted time and again by the board, and for me the comic capers from Jan this year are coming back to bite us on the arse. But even allowing for that, there are things that Moyes could have done which would have made a difference, like starting Gibson, and also his ridiculous reluctance to make more frequent use of players like Oviedo, Vellios, Duffy and Barkley, it really is pretty poor fare !!

You can only use the tools you are given and Moyes has been trying to make silk purses out of pigs ears for too long.
No one else was bidding for ANY of the players we have signed over the past few years including Jelavic, Heitinga, Fellaini and Bily.
We immediately drop out whenever any other club shows interest in a player.
Newcastle Utd have a top chairman who signed at least five players during January.
Wigans bench is stronger than ours never mind the top clubs.

Take a long, serious look at the playing assets at our club and all we have is a decent first eleven without any subs worth retaining on the payroll.

In the past seasons we have given jobs to the likes of Hahnemann, MacFadden, Hitzelsberger and Naismith, none of whom were wanted elsewhere by any club with ambition.

Now we stand to lose Fellaini and perhaps Baines with the distinct possibility of Moyes joining them.

A new manager will want money to buy fresh faces so the only person who will be employed once DM moves on is someone who will take the job without a transfer budget.
Once Moyes go's we will slide down to the way we were before he took the job and bailed us out.

As Ive said before..this club board will only part with money when relegation threatens.

I know it's only a small part of the shambles today but can anyone explain why Baines put the ball out of play for a Wigan player who was injured off the pitch?

Thick as fuck!!!

Non of this has fuck all to do with money. Do Swansea or very poor Bradford have shitloads of money? of course not, but both appeared in the league cup final, while we went out against world beaters leeds.

The fact is, this happens to us every single fucking season. Always when it matters the most..we get slaughtered. I can accept freak results, shit happens, but that being said..it continuously happens every single season. The man is incompetent and inept in my opinion.

10 years of the same old same old. At one stage where where going forward, but then we came back down to earth with a loud thud, nothing has improved, but things have got worse.

The League this season as been shite. How else do you think we are still in 6th with 12/13 draws? we should be no where this position,now teams around us are starting to pick up point and we are caught, down the league will go.

when it matters this manager doesn't care..if he did, he wouldn't fuck it up every single ocassion, I have come to the conclusion that the only people who could possibly want this idiot to remain at the club, are those with interests away from Everton and I sincerely mean that, because with Moyes in charge we stand no chance of ever winning a thing snd that is a fact.

he needs to go now, because for me he has well and truly outstayed his welcome.. this squad is pathetic...and most of it needs getting rid, just like Moyes needs to be sacked.

I do not want mediocrity and mindless / pointless seasons where we can't win anything due to the dour negativity this manager breeds into our players.

He built a very poor team, of which most would struggle to get into a fucking championship team let alone lower league...and this man proclaims them to be the best he has ever had ?? he statements are just as baffling as him being a manager...go back to the championship and learn your trade properly you tactically inept baffoon.

I won't say thanks for what you have done, because you are over paid to do the job your supposed to. you want to manage in germany hahahaha you turnip brain

When you say "nothing to do with the players then" it tells me you simply haven't read my post, because if you HAD read it, you would have clearly seen - "Yes the players played shite" - which I would suggest is hardly me saying 'nothing to do with the players'.

You continue..

"Next time I have a shit day at work and I do a bad job, I'll blame my boss".

Maybe, maybe not, you see I'm familiar with the details of what happened today at Goodison and with those involved, so I feel able to make the call I have. Before I'd feel confident giving an opinion on YOUR boss, I'd need to know more. I'd be interested in things like, did you feel motivated by your boss? Did you feel tired? Properly trained? Were you distracted because your boss might be fucking off? Do you respect your boss? Has he employed a bunch of nob-heads who were no good at their jobs when he employed them and now they drag you down with their incompetence? That kind of thing.

The next paragraph could have been written by me

"Moyes is responsiible for picking the team. He certainly should take the blame for picking Neville, Osman and Jelavic. They are all clearly not worth a place in the side at the moment and havent been for weeks"

No argument there, next.

"You blame him for picking Baines and Fellaini then do you? They were sensible logical selections pre kick off, that any manager would have included in the side. The fact that they were shite is down to the players not Moyes"

No I don't blame him for picking them, I blame him for for putting them in a team containing the useless players that YOU just pointed out, thereby giving them the work of two players. I also blame him for failing to sufficiently motivate them (if they appeared not to be sufficiently motivated).

Hope that helps, but if I'm wrong, maybe you could make a list of what you think a manager on 3.5 mill a year (or whatever) SHOULD be responsible for.

Would be genuinely interested.

The tool who made the pig's ear that led to their second goal today wasn't 'given' - Moyes bought him.

Shit!

Guy Hastings #157 I agree with you..whats the point when there are not enough people brave enough to usurp this turnip??

No one forces Moyes to pay Hetinga £60k / week
No one forces Moyes to pay Neville £50k / week.
No one forced Moyes to pay £15M for Fellaini
No one forces Moyes to ignore our youth squad.

I think you'll find your argument has no substance whatsoever.

Any new manager will need money to buy players. I suspect that £20-£30M for fellaini plus offloading Hetinga, Neville and a few others is likely to save the club enough money to buy 2-3 decent quality replacements. Maybe our new manager could make use of Duffy, Barkley, McAleny, Vellios etc. They'd be like new signings!

Arsenal won't spend; Spurs are riding their luck with Bale; Chelsea haven't a clue, who'll be Ferguson's successor (he's as good as landed the title and still they're not happy); Villa, well the writing was on the wall last season; Liverpool are very so what and still suffering from the fallout of KK's second coming; Rangers beyond laughing stock....

The only fans I know who seem to be enjoying watching football are in the lower leagues. After today's display, we may well be joining them in a season or three's time. So it's not all bad...

Were we prepared to ignore out doubts about the tactical ineptitude and fundamental negativity of DM as long as he kept us SAFE ?

40 points a season at ALL costs ?

Have we colluded with this insidious process ?

Tony Marsh has often been ridiculed on this site for his negativity because he's dared to question the Everton legends that are BK and DM..

Everton have done a pretty good job of portraying the Blue Union as the 'enemy within'.

After almost 40 years of supporting this club I feel very uncomfortable tonight because I know that I've been prepared to accept the crap that BK and DM have offered up.

What's that saying about good men (and women) doing nothing ?

Moyes is offered what they supposedly can afford (if you believe it) so we end up with POUNDLAND shopping. Wigan's chairman puts our board to shame... he invests in the club!! Same goes for Newcastle's chairman.

Our board get into the ground for free... we the fans put in the investment. They sit on their shares and fiddle while Rome burns.

So long as you clowns continue to blame the manager who has kept us in the top ten most seasons, this board can sleep peacefully in the knowledge that we have survived another season in the Premier League.

He is the best paid punchbag in the club!!

Talk of getting rid of Heitinga and others is ludicrous... no one wants them. Only Fellaini and Baines are wanted.

Maybe, just maybe we can get someone who reveres pace, skill and attacking football, that won't just pick his favorite jack of all trade types who try really hard in training and pick the cones up at the end. FFS we are paying millions of pounds a year and morons are still saying who could we get that's better!

How much damage has today's result done to Everton FC around the globe? Whelan will take full advantage of Wigan Athletic playing at Wembley and if they survive in the PL he will probably sell to a new owner before next season. If Everton FC had gone on to win the FA Cup they still wouldn't be able to generate enough interest because the board is and always has been inept, that does not excuse the manager or players for today's performance or any other similar performances.

Neville, never pull on a blue shirt again.

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Apart from one good calendar year, it's been fucking awful. Truly dire.

Being a scouser and previous season ticket holder now living in Kent, I decided not to attend any more along time ago. 5 hours and a bundle of my hard earned cash to go to watch KITAP1. No thanks.

Thought we might of turned the corner after our early season form. We have the same players but can't do Shit. What happened?

It was pretty depressing watching the stadium empty today. It probably says a lot more than words could.

Fast forward 11 years another 3-0 defeat for defeat, sorry, surrender in the quarter finals for an Everton team managed by a dour scot. I wonder if history will repeat itself with regards to the manager?

A few people have said that Distin was the only player to come out of today ok, I disagree I thought Mucha did ok as well, he's certainly not at fault for the goals and made at least 3 saves of note. The worst player in a blue shirt for me today was Fellaini he just didn't seem to care; if that's his attitude, the sooner he goes the better.

I want them to come out of the tunnel looking like they want to tear the opposition a new one, play like want to tear the opposition a new one and win, lose or draw walk off the pitch knowing they'd done their best to tear the opposition a new one.

Did we do any of that today? Did we fuck.

Neville should never play for us again and people on here who say Osman is a good player are fucking deluded — sorry for the swearing but I am pissed and and sick ff takeing shit off them RS... FUCK OFF EVERTON.

Good luck, Wigan — hope you win the cup. By the way, the Ref was a twat.

Nelson, stood on deck of Victory at Trafalgar was asked by his second in command what his tactic was faced by the combined might of the French and Spanish fleet.

His answer was 'I'm going to go at them'.

And the rest, as they say, is history. Something we seem to be pretty fond of....

Wigan didn't have chance to sit on a one goal lead (and we don't know if they would've) before Neville gave them another.

But they defo didn't sit on a 2-goal lead.

When it was 0-3 all they did was play a very comfortable rope-a-dope. The last hour wasn't exactly Rorke's Drift backs to the wall stuff was it.

I'll be cheering for them in the Semis and, with a bit of luck, what could've been our Final.

How many Groundhog Days is this now?

As per usual when it come to the crunch the man is always shown up for what he is a fucking defensive clueless fool. I wanted the prick gone 5 years ago. I hope he fucks off soon.

3-0 down at half time.Quarter final at home, game at Wembley on offer

And the team runs out for the 2nd half....and shows fuck all passion. Fuck all anything. Same as before.

If you cannot motivate the players in this situation, well then, you're shite.

And as for the Mirallas sub... well, that's one way to resign (please... please).

Moyes World.... get the shirt on Phil, the midfield is weak.

That's okay boss, I can shout a lot and point... as for passes.....

Our next best centre midfielders play up front or left midfield.

Moyes took a risk with Neville against 'lowly' Wigan.

They scored 3 goals in 4 minutes which is a bit of a freak.

Moyes will be much more annoyed than his comments allude.

I hope he learned something today; if he did, we should see quite a bit more of Barkley now. (I'm certainly not a Barkley booster but enough's enough.)

"Oh dear, never mind"

Muttering below breadth.

"There's always next week"

Mild expletive summoning the almighty.

"You're just like a kid, it's only a football game!"

Exasperated shouting countered by folded arms and sour look.

"Anyway, I thought they said Moyes is a good manager".

Complete silence.

As a respecter of Moyes but not regarding him as the Moyesiah, that silence is the cue for him to signal this season will be his last. Because I cannot think of a single argument for why it would benefit him or us for him to sign a new contract.

Same goes for the Wigan game. They have a manager that dares to send a team out in a big game with a brief to go out and dare to win a game. On paper, they are inferior to us in pretty much every position, but when you have a go anything can happen. That's the difference for me, and why Moyes will never manage a club bigger than us.

It was inevitable we would not win the cup whilst teams like Man City, Chelsea & Man Utd are still in it. It hurts like hell going out to Wigan, but think how bad it would have been at wembley, so in a way im relieved that pipe dream is over.

Moyes has to go now. I am grateful to him for all he's done, but we need a fresh pair of ideas and eyes looking at things. Martinez gave a great interview for the job today, and I would love him to be given a go.

COYB

I started reading this thread and thought I had better watch the recording to see if it was as poor a performance as my fellow Blues on this site were saying it was. IT WAS!!!

Even if I hadn't known the result after the first ten minutes of watching the recording I would have predicted Wigan scoring the first goal. They were obviously up for it and had figured out (like most other teams in the premier league) that if you go hard at this Everton team they will crumble. That was their game plan and it worked.

Anyone who believed the Pre match propaganda that Wigan would put out a weakened team for this game is deluded.

Picking Neville before Gibson was like saying to the Wigan players and their manager - "we are frightened to death of your threat going forward and we are going to start the game cautiously." Wigan got the message and obliged.
To see Everton fans flooding out of the ground was heartbreaking. I have been guilty of swallowing the "great job under difficult circumstances" line. Not having any more of that. We were out thought AND outfought by as someone said elsewhere "The Mighty Wigan"
To win in the premier league you need a winning attitude. We haven't got it and it definitely is NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

Good luck to Wigan in the semi AT WEMBLEY - whoever they play I am sure they will give them a game.

'When we defend corners, we bring every single man back in to our penalty area'.

That in one line describes Moyes and his whole philosophy. Early in the 2nd half yesterday Wigan had a corner. Bear in mind we're 3 down and have brought on an extra striker and what do we do? Bring every man back. Pienaar clears the ball from the corner and guess what? Jelavic is stood on our fucking goal line. What a fucking joke.

A few of on here have been shot down for pleading with Moyes to try some of these lads. Well it's obviously been on the minds of some senior pro's as well.

If you are a top manager then in big games you get the players and the team to play to the top of their ability. Moyes has never managed to do that. For those people, if there are any left, who still support Moyes then ask yourself would Moyes have got that team to beat Spurs and Man Utd in 1995. I think the answer is pretty clear! He's never been anything better than a good but limited manager. He shouldn't have been here for 11 seasons when he has never won a trophy. The club should withdraw the contract offer and Moyes should move on.

Unfortunately Moyes cant complain about his players because if he cant be arsed to sign his contract then why should the players be arsed to play. Only at Everton would Moyes have the freedom of the club to take the right royal piss.

I believe every fan who paid to watch that shower should be refunded their money and preferably from Moyes buldging pockets

A few weeks back, I made a thread pointing out that the manager's communication skills were zero, and he was failing in one of his prime duties - which is to speak to the fans via TV and newspapers. Most people who posted said that didn't matter. In fact, some even said that they respected the fact that DM treated the media with contempt it deserved. I'd like to know what they think now, after that fiasco. Is furiuosly glaring at the hapless interviewer the appropriate response? No, it is not

To be clear: I hold DM partly responsible for what happened - he picks the team and sets them up to play in a particular way - but I hold the players equally, if not more, responsible. It's not all his fault, but some of it is. He needs to hold his hands up here, the way DIstin did after his semi final howler last year.

Ultimately, I realise, his post match interviews are irrelevant, but if he had been able to communicate with the supporters then it would have been a silver lining. He needs to publically address the question "What went wrong". As someone said - there have been so many posts since the game that it's hard to keep up with who said what - the boos ringing round Goodison are highly significant. The players, manager and board all heard them and that will influence what happens next. DM is perfectly well aware of crowd reaction, that's why he was calling for Evertonians to be the "12th man" in the lead up to the game. Well, the crowd gave the team what they deserved, in no uncertain terms. What say you now, Mr Moyes?

Now, I would sob my heart out if he ever took over at EFC...but at least the man has enough humility to accept the views of others.

Moyes genuinely believes we are lucky to have him. He came at a good time for us and I honestly believe he has done great considering the circumstances. But now those circumstances have changed, we have a squad that has outgrown the manager - not the other way around. Quality players who are played out of position, quality players who are not given a chance, and quality players who are not rested when they clearly need time to reflect.

Moyes, as far as I'm aware, does not live on Mars and commute to Finch Farm. He knows what the fans are crying out for. He is the most stubborn man I've ever come across and will flat out refuse to acknowledge the fans desires. The only way the likes of Barkley will ever start a game is if we all shut up about it and Moyes is allowed to make the decision by himself. Then it's 'his idea' and he is once again a genius in his own mind.

I'm almost in disbelief that I'm writing like this about Moyes. This time last year I would have argued hammer and nail for him to stay. Something really hit me this season though. Moyes belonged at Everton 8 years ago. A team of also rans with phenomenal team spirit and work ethic - and Marcus Bent up front. That isn't Everton anymore and Moyes is completely out of his depth.

It would be one thing if we were shipping goals because we were playing 3 up front and getting caught out. It's the absolute opposite though. We are playing the most defensive minded, every man back for corners, bullshit I've ever witnessed...and STILL throwing goals away.

And any time we do attack and get a goal - well batten down the hatches, because we ain't crossing the halfway line for the rest of the game.

And outsiders, the media and Moyes himself think we're lucky to have this man at our helm. They're wrong. We were lucky when he came. He has done brilliantly for the club. But now his time is up and everyone who goes to Goodison can see that.

Did I mean tooth and nail or hammer and tong? You know what I mean.

It looked to me like Mirrales was one of a couple having a go second half yet Moyes drags a attacking midfielder off and replaces him with young Barkley who wont be as attack minded as long as he lives, and were all sick to death of this eleven in the box defending corners yet we still concede, how the fuck are we meant to break if we do win the ball? we were destroyed by simple pass and move football and all Moyes team offered in response was the usual high ball from the centrebacks upto the one striker on the pitch who is up against four or five six foot plus defenders are these the tactics of a top manager?

Moyes thinks none of us knows anything about football and things could be worse if he went but ime quite sure if the gamble was took we would at least have a victory at the Emirates, Anfield or Old Trafford in the next eleven years its never likely to happen under his management as for the who could do better mob well I would trust a couple of hundred on here as much as I trust Moyes. The only suprise yesterday was that Naismith wasn't his first sub.

Hello Phil,

Well said!

Although I personally was saying to anyone who would listen and there wasn't many of them, that I thought he had reached his plateau and wasn't going to win anything 4 years ago. I've been one of those tiny few voices and now there should be enough of us to topple him.

The problem is BK who I blame for allowing him to build an eldery team close to retirement, DM was thinking only of himself with this team and not the long term prospects of the club. We've only go 4 players we can sell Fellani/Baines/Jagielka/Mirrales, who would want the rest for any reasonable price?

When Moyes says: "Just one of those days", he's either deluded or has no honour?

Our fire should be turned on BK who's allowend Moyes to develop this team of old duffers at the expense of you youth/hunger/aggression.

Bill Kenwright has got his way, he wants the fans to have no expectations and he's provided us with a "lifetime" manager who's happy to fulfill that role. He's got us so terrified of relegation we're happy to accept just being in the Premiership.

After reading through comments, I must say Richard Dodd appears to be a spin doctor for Bullshit Bill and Dour Davey!! You cannot defend the indefensible!!!

Every Evertonian is fucking pissed but they don't need to be referred to as lemmings, sheep, or whatever other sad name TW posters are calling them — they are blues who go to Goodison Park. It easy to sit on your PC typing how knowlegable you are about Moyes and Everton but at the end of the day you are slagging off fellow blues who will now have to suffer working with RS fuckers who could well be above us in the league by the end of today .... fuck this I'm going down the pub.

But lastly, that Fellaini was a total disgrace, he was spoke to by several Everton players and by the manager but he still played like the self-loving twat that he is.

How can he expect the fans to be the 12th man when he treats us with such disdain? Rhetorical question. He can't.

Mike & Andy I'm not the enemy. It's BK and the dignified "Man of honour" on the touch lines you should be firing at.

I'm after no award, I've just struggled to believe just how many of our so called Knowlegeable fans up until literally this Christamas still thought he was the "Moyesiah" and give him all the money he needs. Keep him on was the common opinion a few months ago.

Like you I'm venting frustration (this should have been stopped years ago).

Mike, can you find the words "lemmings", "sheep" or anything of the sort in my post?

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this can't happen again, we all have to learn a lesson?

New manager and give him the Fellani/Baines money to bring some decent youth in, the sun migh shine again?

Will he pick the same team as yesterday and give them a chance to redeem themselves? I don't think he should but if he does they will need to get a result and fair dos to him if they did.

Will he drop a few of his faves and put in the likes of Duffy, Oviedo, Barkley? That would show he's willing to make a point to his senior pros and in his eyes take a risk. If they lose then I think he would actually be under less pressure as he would have been seen to react to yesterday.

I think a new manager can invigorate our squad and Baines, Jagielka, Mirallas and Jelavic are all key men I'd like to see the team built around.

The fact is, before his recent slump, Baines was consistantly changing games from left back. He is the best in the country there, without a doubt in my mind, and we should do our best to keep him. Also, I don't know what it counts for these days...but he's a great lad who gives his all for the club.

Ship Fellaini. I've enjoyed having him at the club but he doesnt want to be here and his magical showings are more than outweighed by game upon game of mediocracy.

Fellaini, Heitinga and Gueye should bring in at least £25million- hopefully more. Neville to retire. Thats c. £160k off the wage bill in total.

I hate to play the accountant...but theres money for us to build and improve under a new boss (who isn't on £70k p/w)

Hello Andy,

The sad thing (for DM and us to some extent) is that even if he does drop his faves put out a decent attacking setup, I think as a team they're just simply psychologically sunk, they may do well for the first 20 mins (or whatever), but as soon as they concede one (like a boxer with a glass jaw) they're going to wobble.

If I was BK and I suddenly experienced a bout of bravery and decisiveness I would sack DM (or offer him the chance to resign), come to the conclusion we're safe we're not going down and give the team to stubbs (it doesn't matter who (we're not going down!)) and take the pressure off him by telling him to play the youth, enjoy the football, give them some regular experience before the new manager comes. I for one (and believe there's many) would enjoy the sight of the kids having ago, win or lose. Even if this club did get into the euro places are we prepared? The same will happen as what happened previously.

Build for the future!

I simply don't want to give any new money to DM - he's tired, we're tired.

I've got not problems with what you've just said Phil, there's obviously people who shouldn't (Round, Neville etc), Dunc or Sheedy let's do it!

We probably all expect Moyes to be in charge next week, but for the first time ever I think anything could happen.

Assuming Moyes is in charge next week, his team selection is going to be one of the most interesting I have personally looked forward to. I wouldn't like to bet either way on wholesale changes or no changes.

I think he should make changes because as you say mentally some of them are fooked and conceding first may see them falling apart. The crowd will also be super tense.

At least Spurs have just equalised.

BK not that brave, he'll probably be here at the end of the season. We may well get well and truly sorted out by Chelski,Arse,RS, BK and DM have their excuses (lack of funding blah blah..... or just one of those days!) and then maybe a win and mainly dour draws against the lesser teams.

If he won every game to the end of the season, I would still expect the same old same old next season from him.

Leading upto DMs contract end there will be a long silence and then afterwards one also, BK will be testing the water and hoping the fuss has died down so he can re-hire him!

The reason I think the above is because of DMs "just one of those days" statement, there's a real confidence in that statement (and arrogance, does he know something we don't?), I'm hoping deep down he's deluded and BK will find the backbone to off him from the club.

The difference is he is well paid to explain what went wrong and provide reasons and answers for the diabolical display we all witnessed.

Bad day at the office or one of those days doesnt cut it for me, I honestly feel the time is right for a change and hopefully he will now move on and let us bring a new face in to start a new chapter in the grand old teams history.

This deluded fool takes no responsibility for his tactics and failings and believes that the jeers and boos from the crowd were born out of mere frustration and not aimed at him or his players. He even has the temerity to state that any criticism from the media or supporters is redundant due to fact that we really don't know what we are talking about as the game is far more complicated than we were led to believe.

Well, Mr Moyes, who should we blame for conceding a goal a game from set pieces?

Who should we blame for playing Phil Neville?

Who should we blame for not having a Plan B in every game?

Who should we blame for not signing a midfielder or centre half during the transfer window? Shall I continue?

Any remaining respect for you has now gone as you didn't have the decency to hold up your hands and say sorry. No contrition, no dignity and therefore no sympathy from me when you get jeered at the Man City game.

Yes you do. You have done it in the last few weeks:

"I need more from Mirallas"........

"If Jelavic does not score goals our season will be difficult."

In his first 5 years I thought he was an honest, respectable kind of chap with integrity but not for the last 6 years. He never excepts responsibility and is probably the most stubborn manager I have ever seen. If he was to speak the truth it would go something like this...

"That was my fault for that performance today, I've played the same players in the same positions for far too long without giving the reserves a chance. I should not've put Neville in midfield but I need someone to galvanise the team when they self-implode due to my stale, overly defensive tactics and because I need someone in there who I can trust. I should've rotated the team earlier in the season, bringing in some of the youth which could possibly've breathed new life into the team. I should've dropped Osman because he's a bit too lightweight, but again, as with Neville, he's my friend and someone I trust. I've lost the changing room on several occasions and these are the type of players you need on the field as well as in the background... you see there's quite a lot of whispering behind my back so it's always good to have people to back you up. Apart from that I wouldn't know what to do as I only have one style of play. That's right I did say style... What are you giggling at?"

A.....NOT IN A MILLION FUCKING YEARS !!!!!!

Sir John must be spinning in his grave at the clueless buffoons that now control his beloved club....Chairman, Board of Directors & Manager...all fucking clueless...time to go....."TAXI...." for the fucking lot of em

Spot on Richard, I feel like cutting and pasting that everywhere!