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* asking price is around 125 million

* stadium is reason sheikh monsour bought city not us

*there is an interested middle eastern party at the minute

* our board and council want ground share rs don't

Interested party right now... and always is the case.

He puts so-called Blues like Prentice to shame.

Just heard another point that Kenwright has told everyone at the club to leave Moyes alone to make his decision in his own time, what a piss take, he should have his answer now and be preparing for next summer no wonder the wheels are falling off the team it's uncertainty which stems from the top.

Talking of which, I must confess that aside from a valuation which is below what I thought was being asked, I have seen nothing that has not been done almost to death on here.

From what I have read on here and other forums, it is the same old responses. Nothing changes then.

Just checked that e-mail, with 6 highlights to persuade me to renew my season ticket. The only highlight I can think of now is for Everton to announce Moyes has been sacked then i'll gladly sign up for another year.

Ian

I just wonder what spin the club will try to put on this tomorrow?

Col back after the break. Don't hold back any punches, sir.

We are being asked to swallow that the blame lies at the stadium not City being available for 45 million less at circa 80million.

They are every bit as shifty and greedy as Hicks and Gilette, if Evertonians don't clock this and start sounding off then every ounce of mediocrity we moan about is deserved.

It's a vanity purchase, which is worth nothing in it's current state IMHO. We are still where we were with Paul gregg.

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Yes Moyes could use Oviedo, Barkley and Hitzlesperger more, but that's just three players.

If he had any real backing, with 4-6 more players he would want to use, we'd be right up where we were in December.

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Also he knows the club inside out, he is familiar with the financial limitations and therefore has little to complain about if his squad is not of the size or quality he would like. He could have rested his established players at various times, but chose not to use his younger ones. He could have resisted using players out of form but again he chose not to.

If he honestly felt that the board could have found the money to replenish the squad in January and he genuinely felt let down, he should have resigned in protest, nobody would have complained and many would have applauded him for being truthful.

Now with a quarter of the season remaining we are all left in limbo, Club, Board, Players and Fans waiting to see what the manager decides is best for him, not necessarily what is best for Everton F.C.

Forget all our best players. We'd have more average players.

Quantity not quality.

Thats a good point but it's one Moyes has always been well aware of. He chose a strong first team over an over stronger squad. If we're in a position were we're left short or have no other option, complacency through lack of competition ect, that is still down to Moyes.

He could have two half decent squad players for what he pays Neville.

His squad has been too small, and his backing shocking. After the failure of the board to advance anything in the last window despite more tv money and a very decent start, you'd have to question apart for the £4m per season why stay?

Key injuries to Howard and jags were a blow, but paying ossie and Neville was clearly crazy against a mobile Wigan midfield. Everton have choked so many times, why? Why did we choke in the champions league, Europa league, derbies against 10 men, or being in form. Blowing games like arsenal away etc. We have had some good results, however when it comes to the business end we fold in pressure situations. We pull a defeat from the jaws of victory. We are losers.

I know this is a minority view, and yes Moyes has faults and doesn't seem to be able to change tactically even when Plan 'A' isn't working, but for my money it's the lack of investment stoopid. I let my season ticket go a few seasons ago after being a season ticket holder for years including the bad years of the early prem, and the even worse years 1980-1983, so what happened? It was the season that we beat Man U/Chelsea/Citteh and should’ve beaten Arsenal at the Emirites, which I saw the beginnings of a great side, only to see not a penny spent close season, thereby putting back the team to square one. So I went on a one man protest-If they (the board) won’t invest, why should I, why should my money be taken for granted (Just give us yer money Dave, and shut the fuck up)

Now I understand that BK and the chums may not have money and if that’s the case then surely they have to sell the business rather than hold out for what is obviously an unrealistic price, because this can’t go on. The club is treading water which means in fact that it’s going backwards; to state the obvious GP needs lots of money throwing at it or relocation, the squad is ageing and will need major overhaul over the next two seasons. Most business people realise that when the game is up, sell the business even if it means selling at a loss. To use an analogy, a homeowner in negative equity but cannot afford the mortgage or has the money to redevelop the property has very few options-I think this is the choice facing Lord Kenwright and his chums.

We did choke against Villarreal in the home leg.

I think he considers his bank balance more than whats in his heart

I believe this is the best way forward for the club, no matter who the members of the board may be in the future. A landlord / tenant relationship seems a workable solution to me and Trust Everton are still working to achieving this aim. However, it's a long term plan and all stakeholders will need to share the vision for it to happen.

And I'll add, this is not just about Finch Farm. It's about all the current and future commercial property assets relating to the Club, wherever and whatever they may be. Whether this can be achieved will be down to many factors, but primarily down to Christine's comment.

This would give a prospective buyer a foothold in the club, reduce the overall asking price, reveal how much of the inflated price is down to the Spurs boys and even make him a bit more popular amongst the rest of us. I for one promise to leave him alone if he does.

As I've said before, if he'd delivered Kings' Waterfront, EFC would be worth IRO £300m+ now, and he'd make a handsome profit (on something partly enabled by public funds) - but I don't think anyone would begrudge him that. Kings' would've been our "Emirates". Forget that Arsenal are struggling (in their terms), they are cash-rich and paying down the debt at a rate of knots. Any failing on transfer strategy as perceived by their fans is down to board and manager strategy.

As I and others have said all along, BK and the others saw the opportunity to get a top-flight club on the cheap, and took it. Fair enough, but instead of praising him as "the Biggest Blue", perhaps just call him a speculator, or carpet bagger, who happens to be an Evertonian.

He may be in hock to Green, and Earl only owns a couple of percent less of the club than Kenwright - and we have no idea how much of Kenwright's shares are diluted through third parties. People forget Kenwright raises funds this way for a living - it's his job!

The whole ownership issue is that muddy, it will no doubt be difficult to find a consensus when a potential buyer does make an offer.

The trouble is that the current incumbents have known about this new T.V. deal for some time, and only see their valuation rise as the club & facilities crumble around them. They are absentee landlords who want to walk away with tens of millions after running the business into the ground.

I know of a company many years ago that was well known within its sector who had a long history of success, but because of internal strife had to bring in partners that it ordinarily wouldn't have considered, the partners then began the process of stripping the assets and using various creative accounting methods and slowly what had been a decent company became rudderless and lost its direction. This resulted in the company eventually going into administration and closing down completely a few short years later, but what happened to the prime location of the said company. well those unwanted partners ended up owning the property and redeveloped it into high value luxury flats, making a vast profit.

Everton being a football club does not protect it from having a fate similar to the one I described above. Bill Kenwright always tells us that he will do his best to ensure that any buyer will be right for the club, let us all hope and pray that his business allies have also been subject to this litmus test.

Instead of True Blue, what about Park Bench PLC Holdings as the next name? The trouble is, there will be rock all left to hold, apart from a couple of photocopy machines and an “Operation Goodison” manual.

It's obvious that Bill Kenwright is a puppet on a string chairman for Everton Football Club and he has only himself to blame.

He went cap in hand to his 'mate' in london and borrowed the money to purchase his shares. (Correct me if im wrong but I think he may have borrowed it to pay back the person he had previously borrowed off to purchase his shares in the club?)

So of course he has the least influence of all the shareholders especially since his 'mates' big pay day in kirkby went tits up!

Technically Kenwright isn't even a shareholder, he's just a front for a person who claims to have no links to the club and has no interests in investing into a football club?

So when we ask ourselves things like, Why the board can't do the honourable thing and sell the club for what they paid? Well the answers simple for me, Bills 'mate' wants his money back and the handsome profit he was onced promised.

Bill Kenwright is up to his neck in it but it is the club and the fans who are suffering and will continue to suffer unless we stand up and force the issue!

I sure hope Goodison will be able to retain its safety certificates over that period..

Not one solitary line on the Echo website regarding this story.

Who says they don't control the local media on their reporting of club affairs?

...and the corporate types bring in the money...and the money is spent on the team and the team gets better and brings in more corporates...and it confirms the game is now a business and, unless you want to keep being skint, you swallow that just like every fan of one of the top clubs has had to do.

....unless you have genuine principles like the splinter group of Utd fans did who set up their own little team. 'Sporting Everton' might have a nice ring about it if you do.

No matter what the stadium has to come first as, otherwise, money spent on the team is wasted. This is simply because if we get money into the team...get Champs League once or twice...we are shafted by an inability to generate revenue off the stadium. If we cant generate the revenue we cant pay the big wages and the teams success falls off...and its all a waste.

Put the stadium in first...then put the money into the squad and revenue increases with success without the stadium capping it. Unless you are a believer that the Football Quarter can make Walton competitive with the city centre for the hospitality and tourism market then the only answer, long term, is a new ground with far better facilities in a location thats attractive to corporate spending. The fact that its nearly impossible to see how it could be delivered doesnt change the fact that it is the only real option for taking us forward in any meaningful way.

Everton are suffering from the old 'Failing to plan is planning to Fail' syndrome.Oh for the days of Jim Greenwood and his simple equations, not the modern day algorithms required to manage a football club.

He claimed that Everton will receive in the region of £250 Million over a three year period. That being the case, and he was very confident in his statements, does anybody here believe that Kenwright et al will handle this money judiciously and for the sole benefit of the club, or will "other operating costs" increase tenfold, as seems to have happened before?

We pay off the debt with the money but as we have no considerable means of commercial income in comparison to our peers we will simply go back into debt trying to keep up with the rest of the division.

The whole pricing thing is a misnomer. As I've said before, there won't be a typical Middle East investor, as they won't get involved in stadium redevelopment. They pay others to build up their own emirates, they're not in a position to start building stadia overseas! Therefore Everton needs a buyer who commits to building the asset base up, and then maybe sell (or run as business). They are few and far between.

The thing I found really funny was when a caller said BK couldn't sell for £40m, as we'd just attract a carpet bagger, who'd sell on for £60m, to someone who'd sell for £80m etc.

Yeah, thank fuck we don't have owners who bought us cheap, done nothing, and are looking to make a killing. Careful what you wish for indeed.

"I can't see even if we had the best facilities in the country, being able to poach prawn-sandwich man to Goodison when he can choose Dark Side and both Manchester clubs"

Facilities alone you're right...we need both facilities AND a bit of success to do the job. Need to have the facilities so we can capitalise on the success....one things for certain that if we don't try to succeed in attracting that market we'll fall even further behind.

CONSPIRACY theories OR WHAT?!

All Premier League footballers, irrespective of ability, are paid salaries beyond my personal understanding, given what they do.

If any Everton player, actual or prospective, demands some even more obscene income than that which he already receives, based upon the new TV money, then let them negotiate elsewhere.

There is only two clubs that can claim outright success by being taken over, Chelsea and Man City. The rest have varying degrees of success, going from not much better off, to disasterous. Man Utd, they simply gained a load of debt that they didn't have prior to the takeover. Liverpool and the two cowboys. The jury is out on whether the latest yanks are any better. Aston Villa and their yank, looking relegation in the eye. It's a big gamble. I know, your all sick of Kenwright and his bullshit and so am I but being taken over by chicken farmers isn't always best for the club. Chances are it will be a huge gamble no matter how sugar coated the deal appears to be at the outset.

1would we wish for our current owner?

1- would we wish for our current Chairman?
2- Would we wish for our current manager?
3 -Would we wish for our current board? No 3 times.

Your right we don't want just any new owner.
If we are not careful we could end up with a new owner who end up selling all our assets,outsourcing the catering and kit supply and even a new owner that would not provide the manager with any transfer funds.
Thank goodness we made the right choice last time

I agree with Ian Bennett that Moyes is failing with his team selections.

Yes it is important to have new investment and a new ground but that won't guarantee a successful team without a manager who knows the limitations of the players he has at his disposal and Moyes fits that to a tee.

What we have are owners who viewed EFC as an opportunity to make a killing and it fell thru.So here they are.

Without investing their own gelt, the group that owns EFC can't compete for the top slots. And everything over 10-12 years indicates the professional sports franchise they own winning the EPL doesn't matter to them. Just the profit.

So a projection (a positive one, by the way):

TV money in next season

Moyes, Fella, and Baines gone/sold

Massive profit pocketed

Team sold

Fucked way to think as a fan, perhaps. But if the TV money and Moyes, Fella, and Baines going results in current ownership going with them? I'm sold.

When he bought City we were the 5th best side in the land and cup finalists. We had a better side than City. Plus he had plans to invest £700M in his club of choice. £200m would've been more than adequate to make GP bigger and better than the Etihad. Remember that it isn't even an asset of Man City. Whereas a redeveloped GP would be a substantial asset to us.

I like your phrase though - 'spent millions of their own time...' Lovely.

2009, was it? 4 years ago. He's only (only!) been here 11.

We have owners who don't give a fuck where the Club resides in the Table, as long as it's not in the relegation zone; affecting their profit.

"Takeover" is a who knows, but never "Look out for. . . . ".

What we've known these years current ownership didn't buy the Club to be in a photo, lifting the EPL trophy. They got in because the King's Dock was viable and thumping profits called. All fair enough. Except the KD's been how many years ago?

I want Fella and Baines to remain part of what the recently deceased Moyes has built, despite Green and them's me-first and only, fuck-the-fans, ownership. It's not happening.

Moyes gone should be a given. Not because of you who've been delighting in last weekend's sorry exhibition "proving" you right all along. The boys tucked their tails last weekend. A rare thing under Moyes. But it happened.
Moyes out, players sold is meaningless. Come the summer, we'll still be owned by owners who couldn't care less if we win or not. They don't care!

Hopefully, the TV dough combined with the sale of Fella and Baines will line their pockets to where they'll drop the price of the Club for sale.

I have to believe this.

You've answered your own question... £200M, with your numbers, that could go on buying marquee players that would get publicity and help them toward a title which would get publicity. The whole point of Mansour's involvement in the Prem being to get publicity, of course!

£200M building a new stadium in Liverpool doesn't serve their purpose... buying 4 big name stars for £200M would and did. Simple as that.

Defending Bill. Check.

Slagging Moyes. Check.

Do you work for Everton Football Club, David?

Check.

Now, Steve, an Edwards? One knows not what to expect from that tribe.

It was Steve walking around, "Be careful what you. . . ", I know it.

No quarrel with your and Patrick's posts.

It's just we lost Saturday, just as Henny Penny and Cocky Locky came knocking, stating the sky was falling down. I chose to turn to the only folk I knew could take that it stride; Irishmen.

Forgive my presumption. Or don't.

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The income from whomever at the moment is insufficient to put this club up with the elite and so they have to shake the barrel now and again in order to get fresh faces. Selling Fellaini seems inevitable and would be good business in May if they can bring in quality players (not misfits and has-beens). However, Moyes is not the man to carry Everton forward.

Not even scoring a goal against Wigan was the final nail in my book and although Everton may win one or two more games before the season's end (hopefully one will be against RS) I still want him to go.

Moyes has made some astute buys but has made many bonehead buys also. Some buys have hardly seen the light of day and that is evident at the present time.

I don't think new investment is around the corner and I don't think any fan wants Moyes here another 10 years serving up the same old failed tactics and poor decisions with players.