Be Careful What You Wish For

There will be some arses squeaking in L4.

'The answers are being sought right now; far too many Evertonians have had enough of the absence of truth over Everton’s managed decline and want answers from those responsible within the club and outside it, those who earn a living with no questions asked and don't want to rock the boat.

We'd ask Evertonians to forget what will become the popular view when the evidence is published; the truth is all that matters.

We wait with anticipation and with a little trepidation.

Bit cryptic that last sentence about the "popular view"; I can only think fans' reaction to the unpalatable truth à la the Blue Union/Kenwright interview is occupying their minds.

Understandable given the "Shoot the messenger" attitude that prevails whenever any revelations are made – Hicks and Gilette would of had the life of Reilly here the way our fans are.

I think it's merely an article giving the "feelings" that are prevailing at present... and have been for some considerable time to be honest.

Questions may indeed be getting asked... it doesn't mean they're going to be answered — not a lot of previous one's have, have they?

As Barry says, publish and be damned, the more pressure on the board the better, and in season with the media focus on football is surely preferable.

People are waking up to what is happening to our club. I look forward to the KEIOC report, and look forward to the fans who are unsure having their eyes opened to the shambles of a board who run our club.

I can't wait to hear what they're doing after Tyrrell got slaughtered by Stan Collymore. All sorts of rumours re battles with The Echo and with the club mismanagement...

I think they should publicise more what they're up to but I understand why they keep quiet, it's only just coming out about Kirkby and let's be honest our club look amateurs in a world of pros. The game's moved on, we're stuck with the Goodison version of Ratner's.

If they have got some damning evidence on the loans, or interested parties about to go public, it will embarrass every journo in this country, as well as a few acolytes on here and Kipper.

As a few posters have pointed out, people do not like being made to look like fools, and will ignore all the evidence in front of their noses.

I'm just going to concentrate on supporting my team and let BK build his own funeral pyre!

The term used in that article — "managed decline" — is shockingly apposite.

It's good to have the story retold in that two-part feature (The Cost of Insanity) at These Football Times website recently, but I don't recall reading anything new about the Kirkby scam... Is that what you're talking about or have I missed something?

That's hard to swallow; I think he's just a gross incompetent. Not that that excuses him, though!

He and the board are a shambles; with him and Moyes seemingly in it for an even longer haul, we can forget fighting for top 4 next year as he can't afford the milk and Moyes is a tactically inept moron.

Kenwright and Moyes Out NOW!!!!!!

Moyes has trousered the thick end of £25 million in his 11 years here and I don`t think Kenwright will be just admiring his manager`s wealth. He'll be looking for a return on his investment, believe me!

That said, my heart does go out to Coventry and Blackburn who must be wondering where it all went wrong.

Was it all much simpler with regard to the Moores and Carter eras? Or did we simply turn a blind eye because we were successful on the pitch?

First we had the "I will wait to see where we finish in the cup and league before I decide"

We get knocked out of the cup then we get his spokesman saying "performance is irrelevant, transfer budget will determine if he signs."

I agree with you,I am 100 per cent certain he will sign regardless of "finishing position" or "transfer budget". He will look after his arse pocket first and foremost.

The Carter years were more of an old boys club starting point and the subsequent years including the start of the Sky reinvented game we have consistently missed every boat going. The latter years have been a very slow motion car crash which has been ignored by the media more interested in patronising tags like plucky little Everton and how we manage on a shoestring rather than how BK and his merry band of carpetbaggers have royally fucked it up and sit back waiting for a gravy train that ain't coming.

Michael (#400) – sorry I took so long replying, only tend to look at tw in work, thanks for the email. I think you know the guys from KEIOC longer than me so you probably have the advantage, I know where they go before the match so I've had a cup of tea with Dave and them a few times and met them at meetings but they hardly talk about Kirkby so some of that is news to me, the story behind the planning group on Liverpool Council and stuff like that.

I still can't get my head around the size of the scam and how the board thought they could get away with telling the fans we were getting all that money off Tesco when it turned out to be a lie. I was asleep over Kirkby, the Blue Union woke me up.

You're right to call it a scam for it was nothing but... and I think it was important to have the story retold in that level of detail. I didn't have enough time to digest it last week but it really goes a long way to justify the concerns some (incredibly not all) fans have with the Kenwright regime.

What stood out for me was this quote from the Luvvie himself: "The first thing to say in terms of Kirkby is that the chapter is over and the book is closed. The motivation has only ever been to improve the finances of the football club." — As if the end justifies the thoroughly dishonest means employed to get there.

Obviously it would be fantastic if as many of the people as possible who oppose the Club's hierarchy could be actively involved in groups such as Blue Union etc, but geography and finance play a mitigating role in preventing many people from becoming activists. I empathise with your concerns but I wouldn't dismiss out of hand those people who only have sites similar to ToffeeWeb to show their disapproval of the Board and general direction of the club.

I wish you good luck in your endeavors and I'm sure that in the end the facts and the truth will lead to more people joining groups such as Blue Union and KEIOC. Like every opposition group, it will take time, patience and hard work in what must sometimes seem to be a thankless task.

Now in the absence of a Plan B, it's just stick a valuation of £180m on the club and hope someone bites. We'll still be waiting in another 13 years times.

These despots deserve no profit from their tenure, I wouldn't shed a tear if it bankrupted them, though sadly that won't happen — there's more to be sold off before it gets to that.

And when I read it the first time, didn't occur to me some shocking new info was on the way. Read it more that "history will show..."

Living in the other half of the 2 countrys created, and maintain, freedom of the press; I think "keyboard warrior" is insulting. People say what they say because they are able to.

Unless, Paul Jamison, you're thought-producing your opinions into ToffeeWeb, you're a keyboard warrior too.

I'm for KEIOC, but they're as open to questioning as any other entity. Others aren't "keyboard warriors" because their thoughts contradict yours.