Kenwright hopeful of keeping Moyes at Everton

Choking in big games, Liverpool, Wigan, Chelsea, Sporting Lisbon. Dinamo Bucharest, Standard Liege, negative tactics, ineptitude, incompetence. The list is endless.

BK, the biggest liar in history, time after time he says we are in talks with investors with nothing materialising, Kirkby, Kings Dock, and that Blue Union interview was embarressing. The both of them are useless, the quicker they both go, the better.

Kenwright Out, Moyes Out.

He bought them for £5million and stands to sell them for £37.5 million. 2nd mortgage? Where do I sign???

Alan Myers used to work for Everton I think I am right in saying?

If this was Fergie, or someone who had made this club into a force in world football, you could understand the sentiments.

He then insults every fan of the club by wheeling out the tired "interested parties" line, as season ticket renewals are due.

This is not having a go at Moyes, I don't blame him for looking after himself, but this Board really need to go, if we are to have any chance of moving on.

Nothing to do with money either, they are just no good at running a modern day football cub in the Premier League – they are 30 years behind the times. Proven by the fact Carter still has any say in the club's affairs.

Kenwright is a League two Chairman, both financially & business wise. He is being controlled by outside financial interests, and it's a recipe for the disaster which is slowly unfolding before our eyes.

Hence no-one wanting to make a profit has made serious enough proposals. (Yes, they do want to make a profit.)

Roman has spent what, over a billion on Chelsea and they're worth £500m?

Let's get in the real world please and stop slagging people off who the football world greatly admires.

Everton is now not a laughing stock but a club with pride and real values admired by others. Yes I want a Billionaire, who wouldn't, but do I want a Lerner, Venky, Gillett & Hicks, etc etc? No, no, no.

Got me to thinking Martinez makes sense for this bunch. We'll slide down the Table, suavely. We'll "attack" every team. Martinez will glowingly explain why we lost yet again (playing "beautifully", mind). And it will all be blamed on the lack of financial fair play.

Fuck me, you gotta give it to Kenwright.

How fucking daft does this muppet think we are? Yet again, when the chips are down, a Phantom buyer is wheeled out... and yet again, it's a Phantom buyer who eludes the worldwide media?

When will Kenwright turn this shite in? Do all Evertonians walk around with the word TWAT tatooed on our foreheads? — because that's how we are treated by the club.

I want Moyes to go, I want Kenwright to go, I would even consider relegation for a season to rid us of this cancerous regime. Once relegated, we could be sold on the cheap and BK and his cronies get fuck all...

This is how the shower of shite who run EFC have got me thinking. It appears the only way out to be honest. As long as we stay in the Prem, the vulters will stick around for a pay day.

We are Fucked alright.

Moyes out of our Club

Is the reference to Moyes making all the squad decisions the beginnings of a smear campaign for when he leaves? Or is it the contradiction to every apologist's argument who tell us that Moyes is dictated to by the board with regards to transfers? Or is it all bullshit.... maybe all 3?

My position has always, and remains, that the overwhelming majority of managers/head coaches, all sports any country, are meaningless, inter-changeable parts. Nothing you can produce statistically can prove me wrong. Have a go. Try it. I'm wrong, I'll acknowledge it.

Moyes is in my exclusive group of managers who make a difference. I assume him gone come mid-May.

I came in January 2010 with LD. Over the next 6 weeks was shocked that a team this attacking was working itself up from 10th place. Did you see some other Everton then? Did it appear shackled?

From others in here, my impression of the Club when Yak, Pienaar, and Arteta first came, that we were attacking routinely. Perhaps you saw things differently then too.

Moyes hasn't won here because our ownership is Shit. Plain and simple. For some reason I can't fathom, Martinez, seems to be favored for next in. God help us; you and me. But Kenwright will love him as he takes the Club down to where he's used to managing.

When that happens, and it will if Martinez is hired, expect fusillades of "Financial Fair Play, If Only the Playing Field was Even" coming from Kenwright.

But don't wonder why you're worrying about Everton in risk of being sent down. Or do worry. Won't affect you and me; two guys shooting the breeze on some website.

Right?

'I came in January 2010 with LD.'

Do you mean you started supporting the club when Donovan joined?

[Oh, the suspense......]

Equally plausible, Dennis.

As things stand, we should at least be third in the table but after starting in such an exciting way we became negative and were afraid to lose.
MIFTBsssss.

If Moyes does leave, it will be a signal to everyone of us that there is not enough money forthcoming in the transfer window. So, no matter who the fuck comes in, Alex Ferguson included, we, through the laws of simple football logic, ie, injuries prevailing on a small squad, will struggle eternally. There is an end in sight to all of this, and I bloody-well mean it when I say insolvency for the club. Blue Union — it is time to get your act together.

I believe on some sort of optimistic note, that one of the board (worth £1.2 bill) is waiting in the wings to step in once True Blue Holdings (Kenwright) are waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces, and have in fact offered the chairman his `coin back` on his shares, but to no avail... Kenwright`s hope for the wild card offer for the club, being the eternal fly in the unguent.

Last thought... Do you honestly think that the Reds would take one season alone of all this illusionary transfer `ghosts`, 24/7 investor hunt???

WOULD THEY FUCK!!!

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Seriously, Kenwright knows Moyes is gone. His statement's just the opening shot.

I've posted in here the last few days that Moyes leaving isn't as important as who's in next. We have the same owners.

Apparently we are to sign Neverina Millionyrs VeggettBuyer.

That sums up the deluded deceitful fool.

He has not put one penny of his own money into the club and has turned the £35 million net asset position Johnson generously gave up to him into a £40 million net liability at a time when record levels of money are pouring in to Premier League clubs.

Shut the door behind you Bill.

He has made some astute signings but many poor signings also. He is responsible for the mistakes in team selection, tactics, substitutions and player morale which have all been questionable.

We, the frustrated fans, do not want another season of the same old, same old. We may be lucky if we scrape our way into the Europa League again but what's the point if we don't have a squad or a manager who can make a good showing?

BK sees a personal sacrifice. I see a loan to invest in something that is going to return tens of millions.

Is this guy supposed to be a businessman?

Took that post as joking from a nimrod who feels safe. But will answer it as a serious question.

The only reason Arena hasn't been managing in Europe the last dozen years is that he speaks english with an American accent. Ideally, EFC would hire him. Never gonna happen because our owners are as dim-bulbed as you.

Now you don't matter, but what our owners do, does. One of the miniscule group of managers who matter, Moyes, is gone. And goes with him is the safety-shield he's deflected from the consequences of inept management over the last dozen years.

So, Andrew, who in next for Everton?

Playing mind games with Moyes to get him to sign a new contract etc...

It really does not matter what manager we get, we are shafted if we don't get a buyer.

Both of these guys, despite the current trend of "out, out, out" garbage, have the best interests of Everton at heart. They may not be setting the world alight or even doing the right things but bugger me, they are 1000 times better than the dross that exists out there.

Do I want to be a Chelsea or City? Count me out. I want to do it properly and, despite their failings, that's what Moyes & Kenwright are trying to do. The last few years have been fantastic compared to the shite I have endured under Walker, Smith etc. I am happy where I am. Realistic, not delusional.

So If it can't be proved statistically then it's automatically wrong is it? And presumably in your world that translates to you therefore being right as well. Your original position was that all managers are meaningless, this changed when it was pointed out to you that in that case we could get rid of Moyes and be no worse off, now you move the goalposts again. You've obviously learnt a lot in the 3 years since you found us, Moyes on the other hand has had 11 years, and I've been watching for those 11 years, plus another 25 on top of that.

Moyes is in your exclusive group of managers aye, well wupdedoo, congratulations Moyes, another award to add to your LMA's, member of the James Flynn exclusive group of Managers award for actually making a difference.

IMHO, you haven't got a clue what your talking about.

I assume disgruntled Blues are making season ticket purchases rather slow and this is his cheap trick at trying to boost sales.

Not exactly a trick seen before, eh???!!!

The blue awakens from his trance, sits bolt upright and nods his head, with a great big smile upon his face. A licking of a stamp shortly follows... He then wakes up the next day, bleary eyed, thinking "Oh no, I've done it again, haven't I? Kenwright's stitched me up like a kipper... What is it now? 3? 4? 5 years? More?"

I'll be honest, I wouldn't say there were that many.

The only reference to "all managers are meaningless" is you just declaring them so. Never occur to me to mock the few who count; most particularly Moyes under Kenwright, Green, and them.

Maybe we discuss this again when you're sober. And when you wake up, please acknowledge you were drunk when you posted at 366. Otherwise, there's no reason for me to take your posts seriously.

Now, after season tickets sales are going slowly, TWO buyers suddenly appear from nowhere.

The sad thing is, we have supporters who will still fall for this kind of stuff from Billy Bullshit.

BK Out.

Could it be that guy with the dodgy haircut who runs North Korea?
Or maybe its Ken Barlow (who was seen dishing out free fun packs in Goodison Road).

I would love to know how much Moyes has been promised to spend in the summer, but understand the need for secrecy — other clubs' spies, lamplighters and fifth columnists are everywhere.

Two years in Flynn and you know better than life-long blues/scousers

Your analogies are so wide off the mark; you are without a shadow of a doubt one of the most irritating posters on TW, and hey I stayed adult and didn't say "Fuck the lot of you" — okay DUDE!

Er, I forgot about that bloke who rents a bed sitter in Manchester yet even then we never got his name.

If you don't like them, don't renew your season tickets.

Apparently 99% of fans are happy with the way the "football club" is run.

Bill "a football club is only as good as the fans behind it". Don't you be getting disgruntled with the club now, that will mean you are not a Blue.

How any sane person can not see the oily insincerity, the complete phony make up of this man is beyond me.

'Blimey this is embarrassing, season ticket time is upon us. Seriously though how long will it take before those fans who believe this finally catch on that he just feeding us a line and it happens about this time every year? WAKE UP!!!!'

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I don't think many fans 'buy it'. Regardless of what BK says, we'll hand over our dosh for our season tickets because we love the club.

It is embarrassing though. He is the most insincere man on the planet. His whole life is an act. He fucking loves it too. This is his stage and we are his audience...and nobody is calling for an encore.

I want to believe him so much, as he is an Evertonian and despite being an incompetent football chairman, he surely has the clubs best interest at heart.

But as each season passes, I become more cynical.

Quit pro quo James, still no list of these 'exclusive' managers eh James? go on be brave.

With regards to Arena, it seems that the entire world of professional football (soccer) outside of the USA is also as 'dim-bulbed' as myself for not giving this man a chance, could it be that this man is the new Clough but nobody knows except you? He even got to showcase his talents on the world stage with the national team and still no other continent came calling? Interesting.

I support Everton the name, not this fraud who cries when he hears the devil's song.

Don't you save about £80 doing the early bird?

Some protest, giving Bill an extra lump.

Think it runs out on the 19th so I'll wait till then.

I know SOS are currently doing one however the Moyes vote has shown over 7k voters on here which is a pretty good number if you had such figures in a survey about the running of the club, unlike the bullshit 84% the club did with invisible men.

We all know Bill is still going to be head of the 'Everton family' many years from now, propped up in his seat, semi-mummified, with puréed pukka pie dribbling down his chin, like a less lucid version of 'grandpa'' from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. "Now don't you worry. Old grandpa Bill he was the best. It won't hurt none".

The only part I had any interest in was this: "suggesting that Moyes is already aware of the budget he would have this summer for team building".

Wasn't that supposed to be what Moyes was waiting on, according to Stubbs and a number of those who support his contract stance?

The only point I would take up with you is when you say Bill is a "former" actor.

This idiot is still acting and not very well!

In the modern idiom the surname has numerous variant spellings including Kenrick, Kenwrick, Kerrich, Kerrage, Kerrick etc.. A famous namebearer being Emma Eleonora Kendrick (1788-1871), a miniature-painter, and author of "Conversations on the Art of Miniature-Painting", 1830. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John Kendrich, which was dated 1279, in the Hundred Rolls of Cambridgeshire, during the reign of King Edward 1, knownn as "The Hammer of the Scots", 1272 - 1307.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Kenwright#ixzz2Ov2q8GQG

So she was a dwarf? Or she painted dwarves?

Who in their right mind would 'trust' Abramovich? Or think he is a person of high integrity after the way he treated De Matteo?

I think managers mostly look for 2 things when joining a club. Firstly, how much will they earn. Secondly, what prospects does it have for their career. Yes, there is a third choice where the manager has an affinity with the club, but this is quite rare.

I have never worked out why anyone would invest Billions into something the don't have an interest in and of these clubs that have had massive investment I think possibly only the Glaziers would be able to sell at a profit. Our neighbours have had 2 sets of American owners the first nearly broke them and the second lot have no intention of building a new ground which is the only way they could have hoped to compete with both Manchester clubs plus Chelsea and Arsenal.

Yes we may have finished between 6th and 10th on a regular basis, but is that really enough to keep people happy/satisfied? I wont even go into the style of football that has been offered up. If asked whether you'd be happy staying the way we currently are for another 5 years, would people really be happy (be honest)? Don't delude yourself into thinking there will suddenly be a change in playing style or hope of winning something.

The thought of another 5 years of Moyes in charge is truly depressing. He would also become the longest serving manager in our entire history - playing defensive first football and not even pretending to be capable of winning anything. The fan base is just going to keep going down - kids don't aspire to safety, stable first football - we need to actually entertain people and bring back hope.

BK really is scared of bringing someone else in who may rock the boat and force this board of muppets to do one.

IF YOU LOVE THE CLUB DAVEY - PLEASE GO!

I couldn't give a rats if you don't take my posts serious or not, you obviously haven't got a clue anyway. I'm just making sure everyone else knows how little you actually understand about footy, despite your claims to the contrary.

Phil Neville looking for a way out also smacks of DM's time coming to an end as any prospective new manager wouldn't surely keep Phil on. Alan Stubbs alluded to it and we all know it: DM is going; BK is staying.

Do you think BK would get to the end of the season and not know if he should be looking for a new manager??? Also, if he want Martinez, then he will have to compensate Wigan so there goes any funds that he has left....

Goodbye Fellaini, Heitinga, Neville and Hitzlsperger.

Okay, before somebody has a go, he has taken the club forward and he has hung around when others may have walked. I think he is let down by poor PR and he really needs to understand that supporters need to be engaged in the club and not kept at arms length. Having so many with no confidence in him or thinking he is not to be believed is not good for either party or more importantly Everton FC.

Now to the real world. I don't get how so many people can dream that there are billionaires out there looking to take control of Everton and BK is the barrier. I know business and so do the billionaires and Everton is a fantastic club, but not a great business. We need a huge investment to become a top club again.

Sorry to those who point out history, but history is for fans not billionaires. So what is the message to prospective oil sheiks or Russian gas producers? Tell me what they are missing? Do we want to be a Blackburn, a Villa, or even a Liverpool because more money does not mean enough money to make a difference to what happens on the field.

I am as frustrated as anybody else who loves this club and dreams of a Ross Barkley one day lifting the Champions League trophy but, until the committed and generous benefactor steps forward, let's be a little happier with where we are and those who have got us here.

The following seem to me to be the main factors dictating whether Moyes stays or goes:

(1) The availability of funds (he most likely perceives that he cannot develop any further as a manager under the present financial constraints)

(2) How strongly he feels about needing a change (he has been quoted as saying something along the lines of that after a while fans too welcome a change)

(3) Whether he has had any offers from abroad or elsewhere (he himself has mentioned Germany, and his track record with Everton would undoubtedly get him a job offer somewhere else in the Premier League, albeit probably not from one of the top four or five)

(4) His perception as to whether a sufficient number of Everton fans have turned against him (I heard him speak at a fans’ meeting a few years ago saying that he, ‘would stay as long as he was wanted, but would not outstay his welcome.’

It is difficult to know how representative are the views of more vociferous Toffeeweb anti-Moyes brigade. Around a third of people on here don’t seem to want him to renew. Certainly if he were to read some of what is stated on the site, he might start to brush up his German.

I imagine the club have been asked for more information, and thought ooh fuck - we can't tell more porkies, we will be digging a deeper hole here, then ordered the Echo to remove the story. Incredible.

Under Moyes we have gone from continually fighting relegation to regularly challenging for Europe. Given the lack of money this is a minor miracle. His safety-first approach has been appropriate to our financial circumstances. Every time he has come close to kicking on – on the pitch – the lack of money has kyboshed him. The transfer window was simply the latest egregious example of Kenwright's utter failure as the Club's custodian.

When Moyes goes we will be fucked. On the day the team is relegated and Kenwright is run out of town, will all the Moyes-haters admit that they were wrong? Will they shite.

Why is it that I keep hearing and reading that I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright – but no-one ever says that about Moyes? Answer that one.

If the club is sold next year and Moyes was given a healthy transfer kitty and never took us to the next level, then, and only then, can every single one of us demand he hands in his notice.

What do you expect Moyes to achieve with no money to spend over his 11 years here? Aren't you at least grateful to him for taking us from relegation material, to a top 8 team every season?

The reality is that money talks in this league and the money teams are the ones that win things and qualify for the Champions League.

All I ask for, is that this board give the manager a little bit of money to spend; if not, sell the club for a realistic price and stop holding us back.

Keep feeding them shite Mr Chairman & keep feeding me top notch annual salary, regardless of continued lack of transfer fees or investment into the club, I will back you up 100%

Moyes has done a good job but, as trite as it is, he's taken us as far as he can.

He was absolutely the man for the job when he came in. He has worked miracles and up until maybe 3 years ago I'd have been devastated for him to leave the club. In fact, I was regularly labelled an apologist and accused of blindly following Moyes into the abyss.

Gradually I've done a near 180. I still appreciate what he has done but his shortcomings are becoming ever more obvious. I could now rant for hours about the various things he does that wind be up – but I shall try to keep it brief.

1 – The style of football.

At times we have been magnificent. Man Utd, Man City, the belief against Spurs... but as alluded to by Jags in his 'Shackles' comments, we are always, always holding back. Scoring a goal is the worst thing we can do. Be it in the 1st minute or the 91st, if we go ahead you can rest assured we'll spend the rest of the game camped in our own half. That is not how you win football matches, that is how you draw them.

2 – Every man back for corners

Such a small thing that not one single pundit has picked up on (to my knowledge). Yet this more than anything defines Moyes's management. The completely fucking insane thing about it all is that it isn't even a good defensive strategy. Never mind the fact that it removes any opportunity of a counter attack – that's one flaw – but we absolutely ensure that the opposing team gets two bites at the cherry when it comes to getting in a decent delivery. How has nobody realised this inside the club when thirty fucking five thousand fans are screaming it every week?!

3 – Youth policy

I'll keep this short because I seem to write about it every day. It's shite. Barkley, McAleny, Kennedy, Junior, Duffy, all good players who deserve a chance. How Gueye and Naismith were getting games instead of these lads is beyond me. And if they're not ready then get them out on 3-6 month loan spells. Not 1 month deals racked with uncertainty. Is this not absolutely fucking obvious?

Let the players have a run and play competitive football. The most laughable has to be John Stones's affair. The lad had been doing brilliantly in the first team of a decent side playing at a good level – why couldn't he have stayed there? That would surely, SURELY, have been the best option for Stones, Everton and Barnsley.

4 – The man himself

I'm growing to detest him. The arrogance, the contempt for the fans, the furrowed brow, the sense-of-humour-bypass he has undergone at some point during his tenure. He is a bore in the entertainment industry and there are few bigger crimes. The man is absolutely fucking mind numbing.

Enough is enough.

Investment... 24/7... blah blah fucking blah... the man is an absolute embarrassment....!!

"... the fans don't want another Bill Kenwright...."....well he got that one spot one didn't he!!

Denis #528 & Robbie #533 you are wasting your breath, fellas, whilst there are people like Carl out there (and there are thousands of them), Moyes & Kenwright will never leave. I have said this time and time again on this site lack of cash doesn't have any effect on the style of football or the tactics used by the manager on a game to game basis... this team has been created by Moyes and plays to the style and tactics instructed by Moyes... let's not kid our selves that if he was given unlimited funding that there would suddenly be an influx of top class ball players brought in because quite simply there wouldn't.

Moyes has destroyed every centre forward that has been brought to the club during his tenure with his ridiculous 'run around like a headless chicken and make sure you run the channels...' tactics.... Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu all prolific goalscores at their previous clubs until Moyes got hold of them... now he's doing the same to Jelavic.

Yes we are no longer annual relegation candidates but that's it...we are now higher mid table also-rans... we will NEVER win a trophy whilst Moyes is in charge because the man bottles every big game he's involved in... the evidence can be no more overwhelming than last year's semi-final and that wasn't the first time... Fiorentina (away), Chelsea (League Cup semi both ties & FA Cup Final), every time he goes to The Emirates, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge & Anfield... he has NEVER won a league game at any of these grounds FFS....

Moyes has done a DECENT job taking us from where we here to where we are but that's it... He is NOT a great manager because he has not one one single trophy in 11 seasons even when he has been on the brink of doing so on a number of occasions... unfortunately he possess the fear factor and sadly he will never lose it.

I love Everton Football Club and I have followed them worldwide for 40-odd years but sadly due to his dismal boring defensive style of play and his fear of using attacking tactics the only thing I will remember David Moyes for is being the man who drove me away from Goodison Park.I gave up my season ticket 2 years ago, because I couldn't stand the shite he serves up any longer... Yes, I still watch the match every week (home & away) but it's just not the same but I will NOT fork out my hard earned cash to those pricks any more... enough is enough and IMO it really is time for him to go!!

Give me one example of Moyes's arrogance or his contempt for the fans.

And can you answer the question of why I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright – but not with regard to Moyes?

You wish for whatever you want mate. The one thing I'll say on that matter is appointing a bad manager can cost you a season. Appointing a new board can cost you your club.

I don't like BK and I want him gone, but I'm not daft enough to put the club at the mercy any Tom, Dick or Harry. I can see both sides of that one.

So – Moyes's contempt for the fans. Have you seen his interviews? Not just his demeanour, but also his words. He has said as much that we should be glad to have him at our helm. He repeatedly lied about his contract situation. Both the signing of it and the blatant effect it was having on the players.

He's also advocated all players taking pay cuts while himself accepting huge pay rises. Pay rises are fair enough – but don't preach the opposite.

Your post doesn't answer the question. Let me re-phrase it. Who do YOU think should replace Moyes?

Carl

Moyes is an employee of the club, under contract until the summer. What's he supposed to do - go running to the press and slaughter Kenwright in print?

As it is, he will probably leave in the summer. We have been lucky to have him and I now genuinely fear for the club's future.

As for Moyes, who else is going to give this muppet £4M a year to win and achieve absolutely fuck all in eleven years? I for one won't lose any sleep if he goes. Please, David, fuck off to Sunderland and bore the bollocks off their supporters. Let's see how long you last there.

Next Pixar movie, Bill can sing that as an animated mouse.

You asked:

And can you answer the question of why I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright - but not with regard to Moyes?

To which I answered:

You wish for whatever you want mate. The one thing I'll say on that matter is appointing a bad manager can cost you a season. Appointing a new board can cost you your club.

I don't like BK and I want him gone, but I'm not daft enough to put the club at the mercy any Tom, Dick or Harry. I can see both sides of that one.

Now you say you actually wanted me to answer:

Who do YOU think should replace Moyes?

They're not the same question are they?

Firstly, it's not my job to find a replacement - if it were, I'd be doing a lot more research than I currently am and I'd have more ideas than I currently do.

Secondly, I don't know what the wage on the table is, what the transfer kitty is, who is staying - who is going or any other info that BK holds.

So with that limited knowledge I'm really not in a position to start asserting my half formed opinions.

There's a few managers I'd like, some I'd accept and others I'm apprehensive about.

What do you think Carl? Do you want to keep Moyes when his heart's not in it?

And then watch that interview.

Whether it is your job or not is irrelevant; you have formed a view as to why you think Moyes should not carry on. It follows that you have assessed what are the qualities, skills and experience of the man who should replace him.

I note that you STILL haven't answered my question, which I asked twice.

Heigh-ho.

Carl

Perhaps I expressed myself badly. I am saying that Moyes could not have slaughtered Kenwright in the press WHILST STILL UNDER CONTRACT. I was responding to the charge, made by a fellow poster, that Moyes was complicit in Kenwright's behaviour.

Doesn't mean that BK is not lying of course!

I don't call that arrogance. It was a poor strategic decision that backfired spectacularly. Not the only one he has made, either: Neville for Gibson in the Wigan game was another.

Anyone on this thread done as well?

If this board doesn't move on, we are never going to progress as a club! Moyes has his faults, but nothing compared to that of our board.

If he is constantly complaining about not having the finances to compete of a grander stage he shouldn't complain to the media, he should go to Bill, offer him an ultimatum and then resign but no. I think their love in was confirmed by the most embarrassing interview in television history on Goals on Sunday.

But then again, for 3 top 8 finishes on the trot he gets £12million doesn't he, which cheers him up.

I guarantee that if BK reduces his salary he'll get up and walk. Arrogance and greed beyond belief, but as Phil said hat surrender at Anfield underlined his contempt for the fans and his inflated ego.

Moyes and BK Out.

It wasn't a strategic move that backfired, it was undermining a Merseyside Derby, which he damn well knows is one of our most important games of the season, by putting the reserves out, without even giving one about our feelings or the result, but at the end of the day he gets his 4 million quid and praise and unlimited support from Fleet Street and Billy doesn't he?

As I pointed out, you've asked me two different questions. Both of which I have answered honestly. I posed you a question there too - which you roundly dodged.

Again - Are you happy with another 5 year when Moyes' heart isn't in it?

How can I give you a definitive answer as to who I want to manage Everton when I don't know what we can offer financially?

Guardiola? Klopp?

Hoddle? Venables?

Ray Wilkins?

Roberto Martinez? Chris Houghton?

Some foreign manager I've never heard of?

Some I'd be happy with, some ecstatic and some not so sure.

That was the team against the Shite last March. I'd be happy if 9 of those were playing on Saturday. Yet that was the team that got stuffed at Anfield last March. Only Jelavic and Osman, yes, the much maligned Osman, were on the bench, and they came on along with Drenthe in the 2nd half. I don't get all the stuff about a team of reserves. The team didn't turn up. Again.

"How can I give you a definitive answer as to who I want to manage Everton when I don't know what we can offer financially?"

Fair enough, but how do you know Moyes wouldn't produce greater success with a decent transfer budget?

By the way, I asked the same question twice, differently phrased. Let me ask it again: all other things being equal who should replace Moyes?

Oh, and I dodged nothing. I want Moyes to stay, but he would be an idiot to do so.

As Ray has pointed out, the team Moyes put out in that derby was competitive, but Jelavic on the bench was a major blunder. It was very far from writing off the derby and shitting on the fans.

I don't KNOW anything for certain. Only two people do. But the fact is that Moyes has been meanly starved of funds by a bunch of slippery, self-seeking charlatans who have invested a total of £0.00 in the Club. In thirteen years. During which football has dripped with money.

Just take a moment to look at these questions...

1. And can you answer the question of why I must "be careful what I wish for" in respect of Kenwright - but not with regard to Moyes?

2. Your post doesn't answer the question. Let me re-phrase it. Who do YOU think should replace Moyes?

If you think those are both asking basically the same question then you are completely fucked in the head.

I try to avoid ad hominem abuse wherever possible. And I note you still haven't answered the question - or questions, if you prefer.

One more time: all other things being equal, who should replace Moyes?

Yours,

Carl

Brian #527, it wasn't the owners that nearly broke the RS, it was their manager Beneathus.

Mike #537, Martin O'Neill looks likely to be available at the end of the season, a manager who more than a few were touting on here a few seasons ago when he parted company with Villa.

And as for fans not thinking BB is not to be believed, well who's fault is that? Who is it that has been telling lies all these years?

I see he's wheeling that auld chestnut out: "There's parties interested" — of course there is, Bill, there has been for years. But tell the truth and admit you've got no intention of selling the club... because you actually love seeing your smug cabbage-patch dolls face on the big screen at Goodison or on Sky Sports and that'd be your lot if you we're to sell.

While I'm not Moyes's biggest fan, he must have the patience of a fucking saint having to put up with your shite for 11 years. Would anyone blame him for wanting to do one? No, thought not.

It must be hard to avoid it when you encourage so much to come your way.

Anyway, at least you've admitted that you asked two completely different questions - that's a start.

I'm not sure what these 'other things' are that you wish to hypothesise as 'equal'. What are they, exactly?

It just seems as though you don't know what question you're asking, how many questions your asking and what variables you're imposing?

It makes it difficult for me to answer when neither of us understand what you're on about.

I'd like Guardiola to replace Moyes, but I fear he may fall outside of these mysterious parameters you have set me.

Ask yourself this... would Big Joe or Howard Mk I have even considered doing such a thing? I think, deep down, you know the answer...

Ok, I'll re-phrase it again. Which manager do you think will do a better job than David has done under the final constraints that obtain at Everton Football Club Co Ltd?

Yours clearly,

Carl

Kenwright has no money, Woods and Earl are the ones with the deep pockets. These two own 42% of the club and are the ones who need to put in the money to keep us happy. Kenwright is not a multi millionaire so his blame is:

1. He has not persuaded Woods and Earl to put in more money;
2. He has not persuaded Woods and Earl to sell their shares to someone.

Bill is a figurehead who takes all our abuse, while Woods and Earl sit there and say nothing and watch their investment grow. Quicker we realise these are the real villains, the better.

We'll have to disagree. I'm not saying I agree with Moyes's selection policy for that game - not at all - but I just don't agree that his motive was to stick two fingers up to the fans.

As regards Kendall and Royle, I agree, on the whole. I stand to be corrected, but didn't Howard play a second-string team in a Goodison derby late on in the '84-'85 season? And we won!

Not wanting to really get involved, but your flogging a dead race horse that had asthma.

I'll answer your question though. No one!

I may be wrong but it seems that Earl couldn't give a flying fuck about Everton Football Club, yet he was invited on to it by Bill. IMO his crimes number far more than the two you have given Phil.

Right.

So who do I think would have done a better job in the past - not who do I wish to take us on in the future?

You're mixing up past and present tense there so I'm not quite sure as to which Everton we are talking about. Everton today or Everton 11 years ago.

As I've said many times, Moyes was the right man for the job then and has done great for the club. I'll give him all the credit I can for that. However his limitations are now holding us back - and perhaps more importantly, his heart isn't in it like it once was.

So, who do I think could have done a better job than Moyes?

Not many. He's done great for us.

Who do I think can do better in the future?

It's a difficult question. I think many managers would initially make us worse before we became better. Martinez is one candidate. If he got the job I'd be ok with it. He would need time and I would fear the fans getting straight on his back after a few poor results.

Laudrup is another - though he won't leave Swansea now.

Glenn Hoddle? I'm torn on him. I'm convinced he's a terrific manager, but I really don't like him as a person.

There is going to be a leap of faith involved regardless of who we get. That much is unavoidable. We would be moving from a period of stability into the unknown. Some of us are tired and bored of Moyes and wish to take that plunge in the hope that we see some better football. Results may suffer initially, I think we all accept that.

I hope somewhere in all that you can find at least one answer to your questions.

I think you're right, on both counts.

What is worse, in my opinion, was his total lack of regret and, indeed, his remarks after the event, along the lines of he'd do it again and maybe even rest more players, exemplifies what you asked for – a clear instance of arrogance bordering on contempt.

I admit this is, I think, an isolated occurrence but ask around; he lost an awful lot of the support over that game and his post-match responses.

Yeah, why not.

Oh, believe me, I know he pissed off a lot of people. I just think he had a decision to make in terms of priorities; it was his call and he made it. It exploded in his face but I think it was honest.

By the way, I checked on that '85 derby. The starting line-up was actually decent but still contained Wilkinson, Atkins, Harper and Richardson, good players but not first choice.

Now our average finish is 7th, but let's not forget some of the football along the way, the likes of Wigan a few weeks ago, and the outright capitulations at the four that shall not be named.

Some believe as long as we are the top half, we are achieving all we can as a club. I don't, for a £4m a year salary for the manager, and a good nucleus of Internationals on £50k a week or more, we can at least expect a trophy. Add to that 11 years to put your stamp on a team, and the time to try all the tactical experimentation you want, we should be achieving more.

Moyes has done well during his time at the club, but I would expect this level of performance when you look at the whole picture.

Read my post again. The hint was in the "he could have kept quiet." If he's supposed to be this man of the highest integrity, that pretty much blows that myth for six. His statement put him on the hook as just another mouthpiece, like good old comical Ali, shunning out shite contrary to the truth.

We are a Premier League club who have their snout in the money trough, not a Championship side hoping for a play off place. I would imagine this Bank outfit are fairly savvy as far as finances are concerned, why have we not been approached, I wonder?

No. Going against your Board is committing career suicide. I don't know where you work but try walking into your boss's office and tell him he's doing a shite job. Better still, get onto the local press and tell them what a shite job he's doing. Then see what happens.

I hope they both jump in the Mersey tbh. They are both a pair of cynical twats who don't give a damn about our club. Oh and I'm sure there are two investors interested in buying the club. I wonder who they are? Riquelme and Moutinho? Or Cannon and Ball?

Go do one, BK, you moron!!

For many in this economic climate, having a normal job on normal wages, it would be extremely difficult to tell your boss he's a lying bastard. Moyes is different; he's been earning BIG money since he was a kid at Celtic and could probably have retired very comfortably on the wages he had earned as a player.

He's been managing at Everton on phenomenal wages that we can only dream about and is obviously a multi-millionaire. Now that, combined with being a "man of principle" should put him in a position to easily tell Bill he's a lying bastard!

Presumably the fault lies with me, but your last two posts made no sense whatsoever, on any level from the grammatical to the logical. I just "didn't get" them.

If Moyes comes out against Kenwright then any future employer will look at him and wonder whether he can be trusted. How many managers have done it? I can't think of any.

If David Moyes resigned tomorrow he could spend in 12 months what would probably take us a lifetime to earn, so, in my opinion, money is not an issue.

Are you honestly suggesting that, if Moyes went against Kenwright, he wouldn't work as a manager again? According to the media, he is much sought-after and one of the game's top men. How could he not get a job?

I seem to remember Mourinhio slagging off Abramovich and now he's odds on to return!!! Allardyce slagged off the Venkeys and got work straight away.

I think you'll find there's lots of managers get work after leaving clubs under a cloud.

You say Moyes could have said nothing about his contract, and let's say he followed your advice. What do you think would have been journalists' first question at every press conference? So, by saying he would make his decision at the end of the season, he has taken away the need for journalists to keep asking the question.

Plenty of managers have left jobs under a cloud, as you say. But how many managers have come right out and slagged off the Board whilst still under contract? Not many.

Mourinho's was an odd case; he appeared to be trying to engineer his departure, if I recall correctly.

We are not the richest, we have a terrible board, we are terribly leveraged, we have next to know assets, we have a massive debt burden. We have a stadium that is falling to bits.

However!

We are Everton, I love Goodison Park, its my church. We have honour, integrity, class. I fell in love with Football, the club and the ground as a 7 year old when I walked through the concourse up the to take my seat one and saw the floodlight pitch and EVERTON written in white seats in The Bullens one December evening in 1987

Regardless of the clubs shortcomings. I am, and always will be proud to be blue.

Moyes goes, whoever comes, we still have the same owners. And they're not letting go for the forseeable future. How much more are they pocketing soon due to the increased TV contract? They ain't selling.

Even down to relegation. How much is the parachute payment? Then they'll sell, since the tit will have been milked dry.

Can you imagine a manager in the most popular league on earth taking Gavin's advice?

"It would not be professional to comment."

Oh brother.

Haha. Good stuff.

Article after article have David Moyes saying "I've seen the transfer budget for the summer but I'm waiting on the details of it" and then goes onto say "I'll make my decision on whether to sign once I see the details and what is for the good of Everton".

I could be wrong, but maybe he's been offered a respectable amount and is worried the club is putting itself in more debt just keep him. Hence why he's waiting to see the "details".

You're wrong.

Death or relegation will see Kenwright leave.

Simple.

BK a "liar", a"charlatan", a "phony"... OK, fair enough. He might well be all of those things. What I don't get are the labels "buffoon", "idiot", and "thick" applied to a guy who has reached the top of his chosen profession, is a multi-millionaire, has properties here and abroad, is married to a gorgeous, successful woman and has the best seat in Goodison Park. Anyone on this thread done as well?"

He should have stuck to what he's good at.

By the way, I'm Dave not Dan. He's my half sister.

The rest is just desperate dan...

Grounds did not stop Villa,Sothampton, QPR and West Ham being bought out.

Anything can be sold at its market value but Bill wants to keep hold of his toy and Earl and Green want a "magic" pay day hence a totally unrealistic valuation bearing in mind our debt and the cronies' desire for a retail-led development of a new stadium and its consequent bonus for them.

Please, Dave, can't you just fuck off somewhere else and let us move on???

Although it has been disappointing the team hasn't kicked on from a promising start to the season, Moyes has still punched above his weight. Realistically, he isn't going anywhere. He would have clearly gone to Spurs, but there are no other UK jobs out there that he would consider a step up. Swansea would be the owner/manager model I would aspire to, with the club ensuring that the overriding philosophy matches with their recruitment.

All of the people hating on Moyes should try to nominate a manager Everton could reasonably expect to get. Good luck.