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Neville calls for Moyes celebration
"With the events of this week for Everton, for me personally, the manager, players, supporters and chairman, it will be one of those special days we remember for the rest of our lives," said the 36-year-old, whose eight-year association with the club will end next weekend.
"Forget my situation, just in terms of the celebration of the manager and his achievements it is going to be an unbelievable day and one I can't wait to be involved in.
"I am actually a little bit glad (the attention will be on Moyes) in a way. I don't want any fuss, I've not deserved the fuss, I've just been a player. Better players than me have left this club and have achieved more than me at this club.
"You never think it is going to get to this stage where you get to a point where you are leaving a club you have loved playing for, have captained and have a real special space in your heart.
"We are at that time on Sunday. I just want the opportunity to say thank you. I also want to put my feet on that turf again, to wave and clap and do a lap of honour with the players and my family.
"This has been an unbelievable period in my career. People say I've not won a trophy and, yes, that has been a big disappointment. But in terms of happiness, meeting friends, learning, growing up as a person this has been an incredible period.
"I'm not sad, I'm proud and this will be a celebration for me."
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2 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:47
3 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:44:48
Plucky little Everton should be grateful!
I am boring myself now but the Man Utd manager should not be in charge of Everton FC at the weekend.
4 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:42:22
5 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:42:16
I know, let's experiment by changing the subject of that sentence... "Better managers than Moyes have left this club and have achieved more than he has at this club." Hmm, it's still just as true. Interesting.
Celebration? You'd think Everton had been officially declared a nation in its own right and Moyes had won the World Cup with us! Polite applause from me, that's all you're getting.
6 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:50:03
Z-Cars is heard - 'what's this?' the crowd think and running onto the pitch is Malky Mackay. Not knowing who he is or knowing how to spell his name, they presume him a fat ball boy and its off down the pub.
7 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:52:44
8 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:51:23
You're right there.
Best Neville moment was at Goodison under the lights and tthe announcer comes on and says "Anyone caught smoking a ciggarette will be ejected immediately"
Out came the cry. "Quick, someone give Neville a ciggie".
Good captain, but hasn't been good on the field for sometime.
9 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:56:17
10 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:00:14
11 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:01:02
12 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:03:11
13 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:07:04
14 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:09:21
Looking forward to not seeing anymore of your floated crossfield 'passes'.
Exciting times at EFC......
15 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:11:22
16 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:16:53
18 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:36:06
19 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:25:52
This is now beginning to sound like a Neville love-in.....it aint. How many self absorbed football professionals would share the words 'theres been loads better than me'?? Nish, nil, none I'm reckoning. The narcisism of todays players is freaking mind-blowing so hear-here (which ever way its put) I say. Moyes still has a contract to see out so for the sole reason of lifting our pride and expectations during his tenure then I for one will be giving the bloke the upmost respect and offering cheered farewells...
20 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:39:43
Come on Mike Kenrick get them off the site!! You normally vet mail that is allowed in print so get a grip of these morons.
21 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:44:54
Why should we be "greatful" in his words? We're not Bolton you know... we are a team with 9 League Titles.
Take your plucky little Everton crap to Old Trafford Pip, we won't miss you one jot mate.
22 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:48:58
Then, once West Ham and Chelsea are out of the way, we move forward...
23 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:51:49
24 Posted 10/05/2013 at 15:52:28
What has Neville contributed to Everton? Nothing worthy of note. He has been average as has our previous manager.
"our loss is Man United's gain"
Other way round mate. Our gain is Man United's loss.
Have you fully recovered from this awful news?
26 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:37:46
Most overated player ever - but very good at pointing and shouting - should never have worn the royal blue jersey.
27 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:43:51
Yes Everton fans have always loved flair and skill, but we have always appreciated effort and belonging (we fans belong forever, players buy in or they don't) and Phil Neville like Tim Cahill before him certainly bought in to our club.
28 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:44:49
29 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:45:50
HAHA you were never going to get it anyway. I bet he is glad that all the attention will be on Moyes so he can kid himself if he hadn't of been leaving at the same time he would have got a big send off.
30 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:53:43
Not the greatest player to wear the blue shirt but certainly not the worst by a long chalk.
31 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:55:25
Arsenal 7-0 and 1-6
Bucharest
Benfica
Shrewsbury, Oldham & Leeds (didn't fucking Brentford beat us too)
Every Anfield Derby
Almost every Visit to United, Arsenal and Chelsea
FA Cup Final V Chelsea
League Cup Semi-final V Chelsea with them on the ropes)
Semi v Liverpool
Wigan
Lowest points total – 03-04
Portsmouth 0-3
Blackburn 0-4,
Bolton, West Brom and Villa 4-0
God awful hoofball
Foxes in the box, running the channels and finally running out of steam and confidence
"Knife to a gunfight"
I'm sure there's more.
So there's a lot to be grateful for.
He should go now and treat the club with the respect it deserves and not this circus 'celebration' that's coming.
32 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:58:28
My heroes Brian Labone and Bally must be spinning in thier gaves.
33 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:55:07
Sunday is a time once again to show the rest of the country what class fans we are yes disappointed at losing our manager but thank him for all he has done in restoring pride into our club. I hope in 12 months time I am not checking the fixtures to see if we can pick up enough points to stay in the Premiership.
34 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:03:16
35 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:02:57
"Neville bought into the club", he actually could have, the huge wages we paid him.
36 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:00:09
37 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:23:12
I don't think that will reflect the tone at Goodison on Sunday when I'm certain you will see Everton fans behaving with class and dignity and saying thanks and good luck to DM.
As you have said, I'm not sure what some people actually want. For years, many of them have been ranting for DM to go. Now he's leaving, they're ranting because he's going - you couldn't make it up!
38 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:27:38
39 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:31:13
40 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:42:06
No good insulting fellow posters, the fan base was polarised during DM,s tenure , and it is as he says his farewell: nothing new there then.
41 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:43:33
42 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:46:09
43 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:41:35
44 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:51:32
That clip of Moyes and Ferguson having a touchline love in whilst our team are being battered 2-0 was enough for me.
45 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:41:37
So, from the safety of your keyboard, you call someone a tosser, THEN accuse people of being 'keyboard warriors' then finish with a desperate 'better blue' load of wank
You could not sound more dumb.
Enjoy the party - be interested in your reaction when Moyes comes for Fellaini and Baines in a couple of weeks
Steven, Gary, Brian - it might interest you to know Everton are playing West Ham Utd on Sunday.
I do hope this doesn't impinge on your celebrations.
47 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:59:19
if Moyes does come for Baines and Fellaini in a couple of weeks well shit happens - it's football. Transfers take place.
However, because DM isn't in our gang anymore, we have to give him the cold shoulder.
Jesus - it's like being in the playground all over again!
48 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:52:16
If Neville has ANY minutes (which would better served for players who will be here next season) on the pitch out of sentiment then it will be a fucking unprofessional disgrace. He offers nothing at all in a professional top flight league game which we need to win to guarantee the highest place possible.
49 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:02:29
50 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:10:34
51 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:02:14
52 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:13:54
53 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:13:24
54 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:12:41
D'ya know what, we're blessed! What a guy.
Oh, and Neil, Moyes has been paid lottery winners wages at this club, so he's not really the martyr you think he is.
"Good luck to Moyes and Neville" says it all. You are very classy. Great guy. Well done.
55 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:16:02
You accuse someone of writing 'egotistical shit' while proclaiming yourself to feel a 'better blue'.. Good for you Neil.
56 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:19:49
I actually worry about him and some of the others when the Manchester United boss walks past on his lap of 'honour'
http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/nk%20dec22%20p.jpg
58 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:16:15
I have wanted him gone for some time but I would still stay behind and offer applause because he has served the club for ten years but I can fully understand those who think it just wrong that he is staying for the last two games.
I won't be at the game because I just can't afford to travel over at present.(lesser blue?) .Also why should opponents of Moyes be generalized as "internet warriors" whilst his supporters are match going blues. Must we now back our opinions with our credentials?
59 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:21:56
60 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:26:20
61 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:26:47
do you honestly believe Moyes has brought "dignity and respect to our Club" ?
Dignity and respect would have been doing what he's said he would do all season
Dignity and respect would have been to leave with us getting something back for the millions he's been paid over the last 11 years.
The dignity and respect that Moyes demanded of others appears lacking in himself.
I have never slagged Moyes (apart from last seasons give away at Analfield )nor demanded his departure but after the disgrace of the last few days he should be shown the door as just another passing through bit part performer who is no different from anyone else that is not a True Blue.
62 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:39:40
You don't think taking us from a bottom six team to a top six/seven team on one of the smallest transfer budgets in the division (less than 1mil net spend per season) is us getting something back from his contract?
64 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:41:54
I fully expect Moyes to be given a tremendous send off. So perhaps there is a difference between "internet warriors" and match going blues?
65 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:39:04
Now, so I can be sure it's you on Sunday could you wear a nice pair of leather trousers (with the seat missing) pulled up to your chest, with your everton shirt tucked neatly into it. in one hand a bunch of flowers (just to prove you are not confrontational) while the other should hold a rather fetching and eye catching sign which says 'I promise I wont bite'.
66 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:48:29
What exactly do you reckon we've actually had ?
Who's to say someone else couldn't have done exactly the same or better ?
We will never know.
My argument with Moyes as I said is purely down to the fact that all the shit he has espoused since joining the Club has, in my opinion, evaporated in a day.
From being a so called man of integrity and dignity he has shown himself to be no better or worse than any other "mercenary" who has signed and played for the Club.
A real person with integrity and dignity would have walked the day he decided to go - in my opinion of course.
67 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:47:04
I'm a fan, you're a fan – you think you're right, I think I'm right. However, my opinion appears to be supported by the board of the world's biggest club!! Whether you wanted Moyes out or not he should be shown respect on Sunday – in my opinion that is the Everton Way!!! Over and out!!!
68 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:57:36
69 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:02:04
70 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:04:19
71 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:42:05
It's building up to be a surreal afternoon, end of an era, so time to say goodbye and then move on.
72 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:07:27
73 Posted 10/05/2013 at 18:59:22
- 40,000 blues lower their heads in shame -
BUT....
- 40,000 blues raise their heads -
On the plus side....
- 40,000 blues look hopeful
"Moyes was honest about Fellaini"
- 40,000 blues break open Champagne and sing 'what an atmosphere' -
(fuck me, anyone else remember when it was all about Everton winning games?)
74 Posted 10/05/2013 at 17:08:32
I'll be celebrating — not because I agree with Brian (#630) on Moyes but because it gives us a chance for a much-needed fresh start. But what Brian says about Neville was spot-on. Given the general apathy / support for Kenwright and the club hierarchy, and seemingly widespread dislike of the BU, I'm sure the majority will not be so mean-spirited.
75 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:07:52
"...against what the Manchester United board think?"....
And the Everton Board
And the majority of Everton fans
And the majority of other football managers
And...fans of other clubs,pundits, players, sports journalists etc. etc. etc.
76 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:18:27
77 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:04:42
A) Moyes has lied. All the cloak & dagger mystery surrounding the "will he, won't he" contract stalling.
B) Sir Alex Ferguson didn't wake up Wednesday & think it was a good time to retire. This is a big decision that goes beyond club football. It will have been decided at the beginning of the season at least!
C) Moyes has been Fergies top arse rimmer since before he came to EFC. It's well known that DM can & does pick up the phone or meet for mentoring.
D) There's been a weird sort of noticeable link between MUFC & EFC that makes me uneasy, for a while now?
We've been done over MUFC styleee!
78 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:16:19
At Preston Moyes nearly did something special, but didn't.
At Everton Moyes nearly did something special, but didn't.
At Man Utd, given all the facilities and resources a manager could want then, if you and the majority are right about Moyes, he will achieve something special.
Titles.....? Champions Leagues....? Doubles..... Trebles.....?
We will have to wait and see.
79 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:21:13
Clearly the grief over his lovers Moyes and Pip leaving have led to him having an emotional outburst at my expense.
Michael, Lyndon, surely you must look at this comment and get this idiot banned. I will not tolorate being abused like this.
Disgraceful.
80 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:17:08
2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th
2012-13 6th
and before....
2000-01 16th
1999-00 13th
1998-99 14th
1997-98 17th
1996-97 15th
1995-96 6th
1994-95 15th & FA Cup -
1993-92 17th
1992-93 13th
1991-92 12th
Now... is that the finishing position, before Moyes, of a top club? or a team generally struggling in the bottom third of the Premier league? in the last 10 years, Moyes has a net spend of 863,000 per season. That's less than Norwich, Newcastle, Fulham, West Brom, West Ham, QPR, Sunderland, Stoke, Spurs, Villa, United, Liverpool, City and Chelski...
What do I reckon we've had? what do you think?
I'll call him a miracle worker. A manager who has restored pride to this team. Who has left it in a far far far better state than when he took over.
And there's moaning because he hasnt beaten a select top four away during his tenure? has anyone bothered to work out how good his home record has been against these teams? how often we won at the Bridge and Old Trafford and Anfield before he arrived?
It amazes me how football fans seem to lack any objectivity...and somehow imagine we are still a top side, because of history.
81 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:27:02
Are you thinking of the same Ferguson?
82 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:27:31
83 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:26:57
84 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:30:25
85 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:29:22
By around December it was clear United had won the league, the only other team that could have put up a fight was city, and lets be honest here, they simply where never good enough to catch united by that point.
86 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:32:28
87 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:32:18
League finishing positions are just stats now...and transfer spending too?
88 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:32:05
So calling a fellow Evertonian a tosser is the Everton way is it?
89 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:31:34
90 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:34:03
Well Verdin, ranting about me and Eugene being keyboard warriors, then a needless insult calling us tossers because we have a different opinion of your lover than you.
Calling us keyboard warriors, then calling us tossers. The irony is brilliant isn't it.
If you miss your lovers so much, why don't you follow Moyes and Neville to Old Trafford?
91 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:35:38
Exciting!
92 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:25:24
you're so hyped up I'm sure you are not quite sure what you're saying.
I personally am only an Everton supporter and I couldn't give two shits what the "board of the worlds biggest club think " you obviously do.
I am only interested in how my team are viewed by us.
My point is that Moyes has set himself up to be a man of principle and in my opinion in the last few days that's been thrown out the window.
I have always been ambivalent about Moyes but if you're gonna preach then practise what you preach.
I don't want to see Moyes booed by anyone on Sunday. I think he shouldn't be there to be booed or cheered.
These guys come and go, unfortunately we can't.
He managed us for 11 years and he was our manager, now he's decided to go, so go but please don't tell us how much he loved us etc etc etc etc
A true man of principle would have been honest with the supporters - he wasn't !
93 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:37:59
94 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:35:11
Its not all bad. Moyes had to work pretty dam hard for his accolade...you're much more of a natural.
96 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:31:55
"Miss, miss he's been calling me names, he's been really horrible to me"
If you going to dish it out you have got to learn to take it.
97 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:42:23
very boring.
98 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:31:21
99 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:42:27
100 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:45:41
No it isn't.
101 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:42:02
102 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:45:45
103 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:46:09
104 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:47:29
105 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:46:57
I would resign forthwith and not post any more comments until a full and unreserved apology is forthcoming. That will show them.
106 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:49:45
107 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:46:13
It doesn't take months and months to sign up a manager. The re-scheduling of Ferguson's hip operation (announced one week ago) suggests his decision was relatively recent. Personally, I expect he decided in March(ish), when the title was pretty well wrapped up, and I expect Moyes has been contacted more recently.
108 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:51:33
109 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:45:09
Not a problem for me, heard em all before, I say go for it.
More importantly, let me state this as simply and clearly as I can.
Under NO circumstances would I ever boo David Moyes.
And had he ACTUALLY left yesterday, I would, no question, have applauded him on his return to Goodison with Manchester United next season (maybe not as long and loud as others but...)
Plus, as much as I wanted him gone, I have often balanced posts on what I've seen as his footballing shortcomings, by pointing out his plusses - honesty, his dealings with the media, his work ethic etc.
(I know this confuses those who can only deal in black and white but not much I can do about someone else's lack of capacity to understand a post...Neil, Gary etc)
I have (I'm fairly sure) always kept my criticism to specifics about his football and when halfway through last season we decided to play some football worth watching, I posted to praise him for doing so.
He is now Manchester Utd's manager and I would wish him luck with it (although I'm only interested in what Everton F.C do).
However him agreeing to, or deciding on taking charge of Everton against West Ham is imo just plain fucking wrong.
Everton should have said no, so should Moyes - the game is now a sideshow.
110 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:52:54
111 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:56:03
112 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:56:15
113 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:43:33
You took it as league position.
Well I still don't agree with you cos taking your interpretation of my remark then I would say that I would have expected us to win some silverware - even the Zenith Data thing ! Anything.
So, no he hasn't repaid us anything.
If you think being the best of the rest is good enough then theres nothing I can say.
I don't see Moyes as a culprit I see him as a victim of this Board, thing is this man of principle has been privy to far more info about that shower than we have and he's supported them. He's the one who lied to supporters about signing/not signing.
I remember Carey being sacked in the taxi, very few men of principle in the last 50 years at Goodison.
Yes we've done many things the right way, far better than those over the road but at the end of the day its been a succession of mercenaries, Moyes is just the latest.
114 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:33:08
115 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:56:23
116 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:59:47
117 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:59:18
118 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:53:42
119 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:53:17
120 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:58:58
121 Posted 10/05/2013 at 19:51:54
122 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:02:05
123 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:01:17
That might put a bit of a strain on match day attendances.
I have seen some stupid comments on here but that is right up there.
124 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:02:20
You can't deny Fergie a send off this weekend at OT, and I'm still not sure why the NYSE can demand to know his replacement, but if he had to be named immediately then in what other way could this pan out that would keep people happy.
Lots of people in a tizz here but its a fairly unique set of circumstances.
125 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:00:12
"He is now Manchester Utd's manager."
No, he is not. He remains the manager of Everton until 30th June, when his contract expires.
126 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:05:33
127 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:07:08
128 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:11:16
Now you're really starting to freak me out...
129 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:09:17
130 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:13:03
131 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:08:19
Oh my god REALLY!!!??
You should notify the world's media immediately - they're all mistakenly referring to him as "New Manchester United manager, David Moyes"
132 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:00:08
If you look at Moyes team, they are full of his favourite players, who shouldn't be anywhere near the bench in mine and many other peoples eyes.
His skill set is very narrow, compared to other managers around him.
David Moyes was tactically naive, never knew how to turn around a match.
So many things that I did not like about the way he managed.
People will point and say things like, well he kept Everton in the top 7 etc. Did anyone stop to think, just how bad this premier league is outside of the top 4 or 5 with spurs?
If all we had to do was play half a season and still finish 6th, should show you how shockingly poor the premier league is. Look at this season , and remind us all again how many draws we have had and why we are still 6th? How can the teams below us, be faring worse than us?, it isn't Moyes...
Anyway, next season I am looking forward to, and I will be right behind the new manager unless its one of the ones we really don't need, like hughes, oneill, lennon etc.
Seems most United fans are going to be doing a Hodgson on Moyes at the start of next season, can't blame them really. While he will be there, success will be finishing in the top 8
133 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:17:36
134 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:17:40
135 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:20:58
I stole them from Doddy!
136 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:19:00
137 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:17:57
Sounds as if you're happy to have a pop at people even before you see how they perform. You've formed your opinion, so...
You wouldn't be behind our new manager?
138 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:22:53
139 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:24:01
140 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:25:20
Next seaon you will see all of my comments befitting Everton Football Club!
141 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:05:43
I think at the end if the day people have got different perspectives.
I think we'd agree Fergie and Utd can do what they want, they have gained the power to suit themselves.
Moyes has been made an offer he can't refuse and has chosen to go for it. I don't begrudge him his decision at all.
Where I think we differ is once that decision is made I don't believe he can stay, he no longer belongs here.
Where I think you, and many others sit is given the length of his tenure, results etc it would be the right thing to let him play out the final two games of his 11 years, say goodbye and move on.
The problem is on that final difference because of our beliefs / perspectives its unlikely many people will shift, hence the friction you can see on this site.
Either way, I'm think we (almost) all wish him well and all want to see a positive replacement. Now lets get here two games won and bury the Reds. :)
142 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:19:13
You think Moyes is tactically naive and useless.
SAF has personally recommended him as the next manager of the biggest football club on the planet.
Mmm who's opinion to take.
And then the coup de grace. To paraphrase " I will be completely behind the next Everton manager as long as it is one I like"
Are you sure you are not related to Jimmy?
143 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:24:40
144 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:27:04
145 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:27:54
146 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:30:03
147 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:15:42
148 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:30:16
149 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:29:11
Just because someones a great manager dosnt mean they know how to choose a fellow great
150 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:31:55
It all comes down though to whether or not you're a fan of Moyes, so this last two game business is really a perspective by proxy.
I could have bet the house Eugene and Ross wouldn't have liked the situation... but of course fans of Moyes see it from an unbiased and thoroughly objective perspective that requires no further questioning or doubt.
NONE!
151 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:37:05
152 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:41:19
153 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:30:24
If you think Man Utd will appoint a manager because he is a mate you really are in la la land. Like most of the MOB who constantly derided him and claimed he would never get a big job the last 48 hours has been a real shot across the bows.
So instead of showing a bit of grace we have had another series of smoke screens.
He has betrayed us.
He shouldn't be in charge for the last two games
He will fail at United
I will be there on Sunday and I can confidently predict he will get a good reception because the vast majority of match going supporters appreciate his time at the club.
154 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:36:09
155 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:48:03
156 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:49:44
Totally agree with your statement James #894. It is difficult to understand why there is so much bitter hatred - unbelievable for a man who really did continually improve our pathetic standing when he joined us...
http://www.premierleaguepredictions.com/blog/david-Moyes-managerial-record-vs-the-best
157 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:51:11
I don't think he has been selected as a no.2. £5m a year for 6 years suggests they think he is the real deal.
158 Posted 10/05/2013 at 20:57:14
I think your post says it all, the problem is that the anti-Moyes guys, along with being incredibly disrespectful to a guy who has give so much to the club, don’t have much time for facts and numbers. They tend to prefer their snide opinions over actual facts.
They have conveniently forgotten that last week most of them supported the idea that "A big club would never touch him". And rather than offer up a bit of humility – as somebody who is normal would when they are seen to be so wrong – well, being wrong actually seems to reinforce their opinions of themselves.
Now, how can you have a rational argument with somebody like that?
A net spend of less than 1 million a year......... how dumb do you have to be to not respect that.
And if next season is a fuck up, wouldn’t surprise me if we had an outbreak of amnesia.
159 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:45:23
“He’s done so much in the game and to be rewarded with the job at Manchester United is a mark of how much they respect him and everything he’s done as a manager.
“He cared so much about Everton that it took over his life, and that’s what happens when you join a club like Everton. For me personally, he was like a father figure. He wasn’t someone who needed to praise you all the time but he was someone who got the best out of you on and off the park.
“I’m a bit shocked because it’s one of the biggest jobs in the world.
“We text each other quite a lot and I’ve wished him all the best. He’s someone I can still turn to now for advice, whether it’s football or not.”
Tim Cahill
A player I personally admire and trust - but I suppose he is full of hit too!!!!
160 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:37:18
A. Because Manchester United wanted (not Everton) to give their manager a send-off in front of the Old Trafford faithful.
They didn't even consider our position, and all this was played out through the media, before any formal announcements or even any formal approaches to Everton were made. They only let us announce our manager was leaving because of an afterthought.
If that doesn't make us their lap-dogs, bitches or whatever else you can describe this once proud club as, then I don't know what does.
For that reason, I won't be joining in with party I'm afraid. I have a little pride left for this club, even if some are really happy Dave has landed a 'massive' job. Sorry.
161 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:26:55
Wow, you're SO perceptive - fancy you knowing that I would be against Manchester United's manager being in charge of Everton for a couple of games.
Fancy you knowing I wouldn't like the distraction of the Moyes love-in before an important game.
Incredible!
By the way, I would 'bet the house' that if Moyes shat it into his own hand and flung it into your garden, you'd be on here talking about him helping put fertilizer down.
Seriously, you sound like a 70s teenie-bopper with a crush over Donny Osmond.
Let him go Nick, just....let him go.
162 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:50:25
163 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:52:39
Outraged at everything...
164 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:21:11
Some of the Moyes-haters were adamant that United would not approach Moyes right up to the moment that it happened. As you say, they ignore facts and present their prejudices as "opinion". Some people are just deranged with hatred for Moyes; they deserve our sympathy.
Neil 927:
Good post, that; thanks. Tim was another great servant to Everton (wonder who signed him...)
165 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:38:05
166 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:29:36
Don't be too surprised though if at some stage, an Everton West Ham game breaks out.
If it does, just ignore it and keep shrieking and applauding towards the dugout.
Oh and no throwing your undies, specially as you'll have probably soiled them the moment you see 'Daveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"
167 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:51:13
168 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:53:33
169 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:55:02
Does anyone seriously remember him grinning like a Cheshire cat as the sky interviewer chased him. Fucking blind faith.
170 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:55:02
Does anyone seriously remember him grinning like a Cheshire cat as the sky interviewer chased him. Fucking blind faith.
172 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:58:48
Don't know about you but I will be very, very surprised if West Ham win.
173 Posted 10/05/2013 at 22:56:36
174 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:03:11
175 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:04:55
As you "said early" & then felt the need to repeat? You're not hoping it will go "tits up"...are you?
176 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:06:02
Whoa I get it! You think they have the let's kiss Ferguson's arse syndrome like our beloved board.
There is nothing more big Sam would love than to prove a point. I really do despair.
177 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:11:42
As so many Moyesists have said in the past substance over style. Well there is no substance in getting beat.
178 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:18:29
179 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:15:49
I will be surprised if West Ham win because their team is inferior to Everton's.
180 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:21:20
I never said West Ham are incapable of winning on Sunday; I merely expressed the view that I will be surprised if they do.
The rest of your post is irrational, to say the least.
181 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:22:13
182 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:21:59
183 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:12:43
Absolutely not.
Want to express gratitude?
I wouldn't DREAM of stopping you or anyone else
So why not write Moyes a letter expressing your gratitude.
And/or wait until he returns with Utd next year and give him a nice round of applause which will show your gratitude.
So as you see, I am not against people who express gratitude.
What I AM against is THIS particular show of gratitude.
The show of gratitude that turns an Everton game of some importance, into a fucking side-show, which is what this Moyes gratitude-fest will do.
A big fat distraction that means the game takes second place to Manchester United's new manager.
Now let me ask YOU a question?
Are you happy with this?
184 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:25:32
You are correct in that I expected us to beat Wigan. It didn't happen and so I was wrong. I never said that West Ham will roll over; my stated view is that we will win on Sunday. That's all: nothing controversial. If West Ham do win then I will have been wrong once again.
185 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:31:42
Anyone can beat anyone else; we beat Man United in August and yet they are now twenty-odd points ahead of us. In general, however, the better teams beat the weaker teams - and we are stronger than West Ham. Ergo, I expect us to win in Sunday.
186 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:36:58
It's going to be a funny old atmosphere at Goodison, whichever way you look at it. That may or may be to our advantage.
PS: My name is not Kevin.
187 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:44:04
188 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:01:55
I agree with the entirety of your post. Nevertheless, I continue to believe that we will beat West Ham on Sunday. If I am wrong then obviously I will have to live with that.
ps apols re your name
189 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:55:14
FACT - Moyes has never won a trophy
FACT - Moyes as never competed in the Chs League proper
FACT - Moyes has got into the Top 4 once in 11 years
FACT - Moyes has never won at Anfield, Arsenal, Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge in the league in 11 years of trying.
FACT - Moyes failed to get Preston promoted
Seeing as you brought it up, can I see some of your unprejudiced facts on why one of the most powerful clubs in the world would see Moyes as the obvious choice to succeed Ferguson?
190 Posted 10/05/2013 at 23:37:37
It's not just us it affects. Wigan, the week of an FA Cup Final and in a desperate battle to stay up now have talk of Martinez leaving to join us to distract them and ruin their fans' big day. In fact all clubs whose Manager will be linked with us will have their season end affected.
What really pisses me off is the meedja and their love in with Ferguson whose supposed God-like status seems to have made them forget him overseeing 27 years of hounding referees, insulting all and sundry, pulling them out of the FA Cup that year, demanding more time be added on so his team can get back into a game etc, etc. Sure he's been a cunning old fox, but he's a bitter old whiskey nose full of hatred as well and sadly for us, we've got caught up in it this time.
191 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:17:52
I can't be bothered to reprise all the arguments about money, etc, which have been done to death. I refer you to Joe Beardwood's excellent column on ToffeeWeb, or the recent analysis in the FT, or the feature in the Guardian last week. Or Sir Alex Ferguson's comments. Or Sir Bobby Charlton's comments. Or Bill Kenwright's impression of a cake in the rain. Or the overwhelmingly approving reaction of the press to Moyes's new appointment.
192 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:26:02
These 'facts' which you fail to go into detail in your response also seem to revolve around performing with no money, which frankly make them null and void at Man Utd - no?
A simple 'fair enough, I was probably a bit rash' would've done. Don't worry about it though, prejudices can be hard to shift can't they?
193 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:36:06
"Failed to get Preston promoted"...are you sure?
194 Posted 11/05/2013 at 00:39:08
FACT - Moyes took Preston from the third tier of English Football.
FACT - he will have received a trophy for this
FACT - I was wrong
Regardless, these are again facts, none of which will have got him the job. I'm still waiting to see the FACTS Carl was waving around which made him so sure Moyes was nailed on for job.
Thank you for that though Brendan, very good.
195 Posted 11/05/2013 at 04:29:11
What will be the reaction from the fans when Kenwright's weeping face is thrown up on the screen?
196 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:04:52
You're right. Never mind Moyes, fingers crossed that BK gets some invective next Sabbath day.
197 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:17:23
198 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:36:04
199 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:07:27
I can't believe some of the sentimental clap trap on here about him. It was OUR club that built his reputation not vice versa. He has done a good job but has never truly captured the hearts of the Goodison faithful because of his caution and his inability to allow his teams to play with the freedom that some of us crave. If he is such a wonderful manager you should listen to Man Utd fans' opinion of him and mostly important their views on the quality of football he has produced at Goodison. Perhaps at Man Utd he will undergo some metamorphosis into a more expansive, fluent style, time will tell and he will certainly have the resources at his disposal.
Football is a results business but it's also an entertainment business and I don't think for the vast majority of the 11 years I have been really excited by watching us play that often. We have been a mirror of Moyes's character: steady, hard working, resolute, boring with inability to somehow assimilate a genuine entertainer within this structure. Reading some of the posts here I think I'd better bring some Andrex on Sunday as it looks many will be either drenching the terraces with tears or tossing themselves off over Davey "People's Club" Moyes.
Hopefully now although god knows with BK we can stop being Man Utd's bItch as we have been for the last 11 years.
200 Posted 11/05/2013 at 05:25:18
Let's celebrate 11 years without a trophy, let's celebrate 11 years of KITAP1, 11 years of dour defensive shite apart from the first few games of this season.
Let's celebrate the fact that he has fucked us firmly up the shitter with regards to signing a new contract and was going to Man Utd all along.
Five minutes he stated it would take to iron out his contract. Well that's three 5 mins per half time per game and that's just while were in action to sign said contract.
So, to be blunt, Do one. The only celebrating I'll be doing is when that charlatan and his smug grin he had whilst running from theSky cameras fucks off down the East Lancs.
202 Posted 11/05/2013 at 06:07:46
203 Posted 11/05/2013 at 06:20:35
But why should we apologise for Manchester United's STUPIDITY.
205 Posted 11/05/2013 at 08:20:02
Neville has been a great pro and example to our youngsters and always given 100%.
He and Moyes may not have been all we'd wished for in the way of trophies - but can anyone seriously suggest they haven't been committed Evertonians?
I will genuinely applaud the 2 of them to say 'thanks for restoring our pride'- as all real Evertonians will.
The rest of you can get back inside your 1980's bubble and keep thinking Mourinho and Messi are about to rock up at the Old Lady.
206 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:02:10
And how exactly was he dishonest? This part I just don't get. After the January fiasco, he clearly decided that he was not sure he wanted to stay on once his current contract was finished. This was a clear signal to BK to look for alternatives. At some point, and we don't know when, Man Utd came calling. Either earlier in the season or post the confirmation of the title. Probably the former, but we don't know when, but after Moyes had decided not to sign. And finally, if it happened earlier, there is no way that BK did not know, and again, he was given the opportunity to start the search.
Oh, and let's say we offer to double Laudrup's salary and comes to us, when he is in contract, yes in contract, and after saying he is not interested. Does this make him dishonest? In which case according to views on here, we should not go for him. The problem at the moment is that those that don't rate Moyes, and I get some of the reasons why, can't get past the hatred they have for him. It's quite bizarre.
207 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:11:21
Moyes is "a self-serving mercenary Jock."
Name one another mercenary who's stayed in the same job for eleven years.
Moyes indicated he only found out about the interest this week, why should we not believe him? If Man.Utd had planned the swoop for months, what's wrong with that, they only moved in for him this past week.
If he was aware they were going to come in for him, or even half-suspected they would, what is so wrong with him hedging his bets? I'm assuming that if YOU were potentially in line for the biggest job in your industry, you would remain steadfast in your loyalty..?
When players' contracts are running down, they can talk to other clubs. It's the industry. In any case, the manner of his departure shouldn't concern you, as you've wanted him gone for years.
The problem is...your perpetual take on him has been fundamentally discredited, so you've manufactured another faux-outrage.
Quick question: Will you label our next boss an 'indecent, dishonourable liar,' if he walks away from a contract with another club...?
(Think carefully before you answer that one).
208 Posted 11/05/2013 at 09:37:12
210 Posted 11/05/2013 at 10:28:55
Nice easy one for you, no need for upper case or alliteration. Which of the potential candidates for the Everton job would you be happy with?
211 Posted 11/05/2013 at 10:33:30
'I don't want any fuss, I've not deserved the fuss, I've just been a player. Better players than me have left this club and have achieved more than me at this club.
"You never think it is going to get to this stage where you get to a point where you are leaving a club you have loved playing for, have captained and have a real special space in your heart'.
The man has more dignity and good sense in his little toe than some of the [insert appropriate term] on this site.
Not a great player (as he himself alludes to), but a great servant to this club and he has earned some applause to see him on his way.
213 Posted 11/05/2013 at 10:55:56
It probably works like this:
Everton football club is in Liverpool, always has been always will be. The bulk of the attendees for Sundays match will be scousers, who like a laugh and respond well to people who work hard. When good teams come to Goodison, play well and win, the majority of Evertonians cheer them off. Well fucking done lads.
If these same scousers want to cheer off a man who has worked hard bringing stability back to Everton football then that is their right and something which they believe is the right thing to do. If you want no part then stay at home, don't fucking bother going because believe me, you won't be missed.
214 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:09:21
There’s some serious facts for you, review the numbers, and look at his achievements relative to his net spend. And all the people who are crying that he was over paid, well do the maths there.
And of all the "flavour of the week replacements" that anti Moyes people are touting as his replacement, I could list a bunch of FACTS that place them as being inferior to Moyes.
For example, FACT, Martinez has similar spending power to Moyes and is a consistent relegation dog fighter.
The are so few managers out there chat could have stabilised our club like Moyes did...... look at the teams above us aned below us, FACT there all MUCH,MUCH richer.
FACT there is only so far ANYBODY can take a football club with no serious money.
215 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:27:10
216 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:28:13
Same old, same old. Why don't you ever put your neck on the block like others and actually say what you do stand for. In this case, who do you want as next manager? Answer?
217 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:31:30
218 Posted 11/05/2013 at 11:25:28
He would never have had so many games if we'd had anough money to pad out the squad or had been injury free. As it is most weeks we nearly always had a hole somewhere in defense or midfield and he usually filled it well. At one time even Spurs were after Neville, perhaps it was after he shut down the now player of the year. As ever some fans have extrapolated his current form over his entire career as though he played ever game the way he did against Wigan. Obviously Spurs must have been deluded, just as Man U are for going after Moyes. Redknapp and Ferguson must know nothing on how to rate a player or manager.
I wish some fans would show Neville even a scrap of the respect he has shown us through his career. I really can't believe some people go as far as to bemoan the wage he's been on, as if Everton have never paid anyone more than fans think their talent deserves ever. Its alright for Fellaini to be earning 70+k despite always mouthing off about Chelsea, or butting people on the pitch, yet the club captain is apparently robbing us just for picking up an average footballers wage for a top ten team. Sickening. Even in this interview he's deflecting attention away from himself onto Moyes. Thats says all you need to know about him.
The main culprits are the board for not giving Moyes the money to replace players when they needed it and perhaps players like Cahill and Neville would not have had the ordeal of having to play on past their prime and be the brunt of some fans ridiculous ire. After spending a good part of his career with us and captaining us, the best that some people can come up with is 'do one'? Sickening how the so called media machines that have apparently hoodwinked all of football apart from us Everton fans has infact only resulted in initiating a malicious win at all costs culture that has seeped into some fans completely stripping them of any notions of decency.
219 Posted 11/05/2013 at 12:59:13
The only FACT that matters now is that the biggest club in world football are about to employ David Moyes on the recommendation of the most successful manager in British football.
Shit manager, that Moyes, eh?
220 Posted 11/05/2013 at 13:59:14
2002-03 7th
2003-04 17th
2004-05 4th
2005-06 11th
2006-07 6th
2007-08 5th
2008-09 5th
2009-10 8th
2010-11 7th
2011-12 7th
2012-13 6th
And before....
2000-01 16th
1999-00 13th
1998-99 14th
1997-98 17th
1996-97 15th
1995-96 6th
1994-95 15th & FA Cup -
1993-92 17th
1992-93 13th
1991-92 12th
Wake up, mate!
221 Posted 11/05/2013 at 16:23:37
http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/11/david-Moyes-everton-manchester-united
222 Posted 11/05/2013 at 18:36:16
Either way thats how I feel. I ain't 'celebrating Moyes' achievements', I prefer to celebrate winning achievements like cup final wins.
I'm sure you'll be celebrating when Fellaini goes. You don't like him, we get it.
223 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:17:33
224 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:23:29
225 Posted 11/05/2013 at 19:26:34
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1 Posted 10/05/2013 at 14:37:06
Jesus this smacks of self-absorption.