Pip: Turning the fans onside

I don't doubt he has the faux-positivity and professionalism to be a good coach, tho.

I was scared, very scared. I felt a bit sick. I wanted to run into the sea, screaming...

Then I realised it said "onside". Talk about a relief. Phew!

PN: Good bloke, decent skipper, not a particularly wonderful player. Thanks for all your hard work, Phil. Best of luck elsewhere.

Mr Neville, thank you for representing our club so well, you have set a standard off the pitch that makes Evertonians proud and I would have no hesitation applauding you. As for your on the pitch performances, fuck Wigan, I'll be remembering the Ronaldo tackle. Not many players do something that defines a clubs season but you did. Cheers Captain Pip!

Fair play in terms of professionalism and leadership blah blah blah....

But thats about it...his heart was at united and always had been...when he realised his time was up at old trafford we were his next pay day...

Shocking player who was unable to pass forward...everythin was sideways an backwards, awful crosser and never had a position to call his own because he was dreadful all over the pitch...

Being a leader and good captain isn't enough to get you in a starting eleven and he was never an Everton type player for me...

Once a manc always a manc....so go an hold hands with Moyes and head down the East Lancs rd together and have a happy life!!

GOODBYE!!!!!

Hit the road jack and don't you come back no more!

Why is he more realistic? BK and Moyes are making the decision, so mark my words they wont be anything inspiring about our next managerial appointment

Despite his limited abilities as a player, always tried his best, was decent defensively and was a great captain. He deserves more respect than what he's getting here.

He should have not played as much in the last 2/3 seasons, but like Barry said, he doesn't pick himself.

Cheers Pip, best of luck in the future.

He's no more than a Championship player and just being a good guy/leader shouldn't take both a young, good player off the pitch and millions from the books. He should've taken Rounds useless spot.

The club feels rotten to the core and that's why good old BK is going to fuck this one up as well with a tow headed yes man I fear.

I'm going straight to church tomorrow morning and PRAYING that this douchebag doesn't take control of our team. Scary times.

Now please go away and don't come back.

He has always been Man Utd always will be.

He never turned me around and the pat pat on the head talk from Man Utd supporters saying he did well for us always pissed me off.

Less Nevilles and more Tim Cahills please

Are you closet utd fans?

Finally if he's that good a coach why isn't Gollum taking him down the M62? Oh he used to take first team training at Finch Farm, what the fuck were we paying Gollum and Round to do have a fucking duvet day because they couldn't be arsed that day?

So Neville played below what he could for Everton because he used to play for United.

Does this happen every player that leaves their boyhood club? Rooney for example? He's not up to scratch cos he'll always be an Evertonian.
And Neville scored the O.G. on purpose.

Can you imagine some Liverpool fan reading this and laughing his red arse off at the shite being written.

Phil will be our next manager. It's a certainty.

My worry is Neville is "Moyes jnr" full of christian endeavour but lacking the devil to actually do something.

We desperately need someone to grasp opportunity not continually miss them.

All this time Moyes not only didn't spot this but also made him captain which was really pulling the wool over the Blues' eyes?

Just so this naive tit understands the real facts of the matter.

Thanks.

Anyway, I'm bursting for the next installment of bile.

The article fawns about Neville as if he's a dedicated blue, he isn't, he never was, he was just an employee. The other thing I love about a certain tranche of respondents like to do when trying to prove their credentials is drag the RS into an argument as if we should be ashamed of making anything other than positive comments on all an sundry at Everton. Get it yet?

You certainly make it sound as if its intentional.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/8721762/Premier-League-Bill-Kenwright-knows-who-he-wants-to-bring-in-as-manager

What has happened to the School of Science? Rapidly becoming the School of Silence i'm afraid. I always thought an Industrial Football Club was what were formally known as Works teams.

If Kenwright hires someone from inside the club I will officially give up, it will signal a complete and utter lack of ambition.

Martinez, Martinez, Martinez.

I think what people are doing on this thread is reacting against the general hype in favour of Neville, just as they/we are reacting against a widespread media adoration of Moyes. Is it not obvious that Neville is a decent, hard-working bloke who "did a job" for us? Sometimes (eg, when he stifled Bale) played well, sometimes played badly (eg, against Wigan), usually played OK. But I pick up the paper and read that he was Mr Everton, was totally invaluable and single handedly saved our club from extinction. That's just not true, and it makes people angry. It's the same with Moyes.

As for the "servant" thing, I'm with Gavin on this. He was a well paid employee. The whole "great servant" thing is a nonsense from start to finish. I'm not even sure Labone or Southall were great servants - they played football for their favourite club and were amply recompensed. Why use sentimental and anachronistic language like "servant"? If PN had taken a 50% pay cut and persuaded the rest of the squad to do the same to save Everton money - ie, put himself second and the club first - then maybe we could say he "served" the club, but he didn't and he isn't. He represented the club well as captain, so fair play to him, but let's be clear: that was his job!

Is that why so many people hate him? Perhaps some of us are secretly ashamed we didn't try harder and sacrifice more and maybe make the grade as a pro footballer like he did?

The guy never gave less than he could, never took the piss or robbed a living off Everton like some lazy shitbags who've cruised through their contracts, so I don't understand the personal nature of some of the abuse he gets here.

He wasn't the best, but he was far from the worst player we've had, and I struggle to think of many who'd be a better life coach or role model to our younger players.

Not to say he's up to being manager though, but reading between the lines of tweets today, I get the sense he's anticipating a coaching career, and I would not mind it being at EFC, so long at was a #2 or #3 role behind the likes of Pereira or one of the other foreign coaches mentioned.

Good luck and thanks Phil Neville.

Agree (and have a feeling quite a few would).

Wish we knew if we'd been in touch with the Porto manager or not. If we've given it a go and he said no, then fair enough. But if we haven't even thought of asking him......

Saying all that I don't want him as the next manager or any of the other internal candidates. We need a fresh approach with a foreign coach for me, someone who advocates a high tempo attacking pressing game and who can bring young players through. There are a number of candidates out there who could do the job on a limited budget, surely that is the way forward? Appointing an internal candidate smacks of a complete lack of vision. So no surprise there!

We all have our weaknesses but we don't personally abuse each other on here, do we (!). Let's just describe what the man had / didn't have, did didn't do. But let's cut the nasty stuff. Blue Kipper indeed. Some here have questioned other posters - whether they are closet Mancs - well that's the sort of thing you'd expect from a closet Red.

"Always a manc". Well would you really have believed him if, after all those years at MU and being from Bury, he'd have said "always an Evertonian"?! Get real

I wish the man luck.

No internal appointment please, but this seems to be picking up momentum, and of course is likely to be the cheaper option. Not good.

We have to keep a couple of facts in mind re PN.

1) Phil Neville did not force Everton/Moyes to buy him.

2) Phil Neville never once selected himself to play for Everton.

Personally I would not have had him anywhere near a first team place for the past two seasons (and before that, not in midfield) but once selected, he absolutely did his best.

Was his best good enough for Everton?

In my opinion no it wasn't, but I repeat, he didn't select himself.

Off the pitch however, he represented Everton with a LOT of class and threw himself into all sorts of charity stuff and Everton in the community work (nb: he didn't HAVE to, but he did it anyway)

All even more impressive imo BECAUSE he's not 'an Evertonian'.

Do I want him as manager?

Absolutely and 100% no, but it seems a bit harsh for the feller to get the grief he's getting from some.

NOT his fault he's not Messi.

NOT his fault he was born in Greater Manchester.

NOT his fault Everton bought him

NOT his fault Moyes selected him so often.

Finally, there was (from some) the criticism of him being 'a yes man'.

Well in recent years, we've had one or two players who might have been considered 'No men', and as I seem to remember, the threads involving these players (often Dutch), certainly when coming to the end of their time with us, were often along the lines of "Fuck em off, no respect, causing trouble, narks, unprofessional, lazy" etc.

BTW - If there is an internal appointment, I do hope it isn't some dreaded 'partnership' as has been mooted. To my mind you can only effectively have one manager & he should have sole authority, whoever is appointed - even Neville!

I could see those two forming a decent team to be honest, a little bit of continuity in the background wouldn't do any harm at all. It's not as if we came close to relegation and need a full clear out.

A bit of advice on players personalities etc can help, and he can let Roberto know not to trust a fecking word our in house thespian says.

Dean, would it be churlish of me to point out that sounds very like "I agree, therefore it's true"?

Neville the (potential) manager: As welcome as a vegan's fart and all a bit "Gareth Southgate". Having spent his entire career with two of the top Premiership managers he MUST have picked-up the skills needed for the role but he needs to cut his teeth in League 1 or maybe the Championship if he gets lucky. Maybe an Everton manager of the future but, please God, NOT YET!

Completely agree with that excellent post (is that a first?) He brought a professionalism that has done the club proud. Sure, on the pitch his powers were on the wane and many in the crowd were straight on his back.

Everton fans have form in this regard, however. I recall Peter Reid's treatment toward the end of his time. And Barry Horne's Dad was so upset by the dog's life the "Goodison faithful" gave his lad that he stopped going to the games.

No.....anything else you need clearing up?

People need to be realistic. Two criteria will decide who is the manager here.

I) Willing to work with the square root of F all to spend.
II) Regularly praise the Chairman, how much he's trying his best for the club etc.

THAT IS ALL!

I'm clearly against the tide on ToffeeWeb, most are delighted that Moyes has gone. He had faults, everybody does. For me his biggest failure was not applying more pressure on that shit board we have. To back them constantly whilst they fuck around and dilly-dally, treating EFC as a part time hobby was just wrong.

Whoever we get, lets see where we are in 2 years. My bet is lower.