Moyes talks about working again

He missed out on the Bolton job. It would've been a perfect fit for him. 'Tis grim up north, lad, as Gartside likes to say...

I think he'll end up at Glasgow Rangers or Newcastle United depending on whether Mike Ashley gets to purchase Rangers. Good luck to him –apart from when he faces Everton FC.

Get him back at finch farm sorting out that defence of ours, he had his limitations did Davey but sorting out our back line was defo not one of them. RM could also put him in charge of pre-season conditioning and maybe the start of next season won't see us puffing n panting in the last 3rd of each of the first half dozen games or so.

On a serious note though, I actually can't see him being offered a top job and can defo see him taking over at Newcastle or somewhere like that !

He's a massive Celtic fan Patrick, no chance he'd go to Rangers. I don't think he'd even consider Newcastle and that fat cockney nut job of an owner.

His best option would be Europe, somewhere like Germany or Holland. I couldn't see him in Spain or Italy eating all that foreign muck swimming in olive oil and garlic. It would have to be a chip-eating country.

What amuses me is his arrogance he talks as if he will have the pick of which job to take when I think he will be lucky if any team takes a chance on him.

Can I be the first to ask if we shall see him back at Everton? Not now, of course, the wounds are too deep (whatever they might be!) but after an unsuccessful time with another manager. I'm sure Bill is still in love with him.

Terry Venables and Bobby Robson both had talent.

Phil (#6)

I can't see many wanting to take OFM back on – especially after the way he went about things once he had finally packed up and took up what was a very hot seat for him.

The lies surrounding his departure, picking up his wage from us whilst 'working' for Man Utd. His lines re Fellaini & Baines and letting them go to United, blah blah. He got what he deserved upon his 'homecoming' and to put the final nail in after beating him and them was for me a very sweet moment.

I for one would rather look elsewhere if or when that day arrives and RM trots off into the sunset or is shown the exit door.

Love the way he goes on about Venables and Bobby Robson as his overseas examples of managers, both of whom managed abroad a long long time ago. Steve McLaren would have been the obvious example.

I cannot see any top club anywhere touching him as he doesn't have the media presence they'd look for, never mind ability.

Celtic or a lower prem club like West Brom or Sunderland are the types of club I can see him getting – a club that needs some stability and prem survival for a few years before looking for more.

Craig, I'm with you man but all those 'sins' were conducted with the full agreement of our 'understanding' chairman. It's him I'm worried about !

Good luck David, hope you find a job you like. You took this club from being in a constant battle against relegation to a team regularly challenging for a European spot with only a limited budget. I think a lot of fans with a memory longer than your average goldfish will wish you well!

Oh and thanks for the job you did on Man Utd!

Still haughty after all these years!

He doesn’t get it, does he? He was a total failure at Manchester United and was probably lucky to get nine months. The deluded arrogance of him! " think I am better equipped to take over a job like Manchester United now than even when I did take over."

Listen, David, there’s not a single team of that status who would go anywhere near you right now. You have duped yourself into thinking that you are better than you are and I bet you still play that shot of you walking through London job-in-hand in your suit.

Arrogance! "Picking my next job is vitally important." You are not in a position to ’pick’. When you get a job, as you will, it will because you have:

(1) Been out in the cold for too long.

(2) Have finally come down to earth with a self-realization crushing bump.

(3) A team has ’picked’ you to approach.

’Pick’ implies choices and plurals and although it is true that none of us know what has gone on in ’private’, I don’t think that a crop of top clubs have been ferociously competing for his services. He did say at one point, didn’t he, that there had been – what was it? – seven or more offers, but it’s dead funny that we never heard of a single one of them in a sport/culture where just about everything leaks out!

This seems to me to be a ’come and get me’ appeal to continental clubs as there is no way that a top-7 club in England would consider him and that – Mr Walling – includes us! I’ll have night sweats thinking about the Moyes 2 period or the Moyes 3 period – that would be the sign that we have well and truly lost out in the Premier League stakes.

Yes, I have had major concerns this season but, Jaysus Christ, we are so much better off than with the Presbyterian.

He would do well to get his head out of the clouds and bag a job with say the likes of Eintracht Frankfurt or, I dunno... Hertha Berlin and see what happens. Granted he has to talk himself up as this is in effect an application letter in draft... but Moyes has an awful lot to prove and a sense of proportion and humility after failure would do him the world of good.

I think he will end up abroad, probably Belgium or Holland.
Good luck to him.

I notice he mentions "good" managers Mourinho and Wenger but not Roberto... hmmm!

Sue, perhaps he's telling the truth. At least I could understand his arrogance and delusion even if it wasn't bloody phenomenal!

Newcastle fans won't have him. Why wasn't he even considered for the Celtic job during the summer. I simply don't think he's good enough as he spouts out. Whatever his stock value was when he left Everton has diminished drastically. I can see him managing Burnley or similar side trying to get promotion. He won't get anything above that.

Couldn't give a fuck where he ends up, as long as it's not back here with us.

Maybe West Brom as Irvines reserve team coach.... I am afraid I lost the respect I had to the dour nob when he went for Baines....so could not give a .....

Colin Glassar: Not that it really matters but turns out he's from a long line of diehard Rangers fans actually.

Somehow knew this would turn into a 'I hate Moyes' thread. I don't want him back here but I wish him well wherever he lands.

Wherever he ends up he will do a good job.

Also regarding Moyes's approach to pre season versus Martinez last summer; as I remember Moyes only ever got the side fit to the point that they could only last half a season before exhaustion set in (or had already wrecked the opening months).

Shaggy dog storytime, but my uncle (RS, I know...) got to know Everton's Head of Sports Science & Conditioning over the past couple of years who told him the entire medical team were thrilled the moment it was announced DM was leaving. He said Moyes was such a control freak he would routinely disregard their advice to the point that it was almost pointless having them in place by the sound of things. Moyes would literally exhaust the squad with his infamous sergeant-major drill over pre-season, leaving the players out on their feet by the time the season kicked off and unable to sustain a season at full tilt.

Apparently it was only in the summer before his final season that Moyes, perhaps on a whim by the sound of things (prob already knew he'd be off at the end of the season), gave in to the medical team's advice and allowed them free reign to manage the pre-season programme from a conditioning and fitness perspective.

Well, we've certainly seen the benefits of the new relaxed fitness regime, haven't we ?

Jamie that may well have some truth in it but there is no doubt the players were a damn site fitter and more organised when Moyes was here.

I would also add that the players certainly didn't get upset by his so called SGT Major attitude. We had the best team spirit in the history of the club.

Now before I get called a Moyes apologist I will add that I think he lost the plot over his last couple of seasons with us when he spat his dummy out over BB's lack of support in the transfer market and I thought it was right he should go and I was also disgusted by his arrogance and treatment of EFC when he took on the Man U job.

Nevertheless he was consistently above average with us and we cant take that away from him.

Jamie, that is a fascinating insight, consistent with some of the stories at the time of players getting physically sick in pre-season under OFM.

It links in to other discussions on here, and the thing that puzzles me, I guess, is this one of physical recovery time. I'm no expert but I recall hearing muscular exertion (training or playing?) actually breaks down some of the tissues or fibres, and this takes three or four days to repair. But the repair makes the muscles stronger.

I just don't get this season-long fatigue thing. Surely the body recovers pretty quickly (unless injured... and notwithstanding Robbie's 'muscle fatigue'). Pre-season should improve toning over a few weeks until players are back at peak condition, hopefully coinciding with when the season starts.

Then, surely, it's a question of maintaining that level throughout the season with regular training? And the effect of pre-season (good or bad) surely must get progressively less and become increasingly irrelevant as the season goes on... mustn't it?

The team definitely looked fitter to me under Moyes. Our conditioning for the first few games this season was laughable! Maybe he was right to overrule those medical coaches.

In terns of his next move Newcastle seems about right. Or a mid-level German club. His stock has fallen since he left Everton.

Back at Everton? No thanks. I thank god that he appears to have burnt his bridges.

I've had my fill of a manager who was always glad to get out of certain stadiums alive and told his players that, when he was playing them against certain opposition, it was like taking a knife to a gunfight.

And let's not even get into all of his snide comments during his time as Man Utd boss.

For me, any manager of our club needs to make his team believe we can beat whoever the opposition is. So, when Martinez leaves, I think a fresh face is in order; hopefully someone who shares Martinez's positive outlook, his belief in youth and also likes to play entertaining football.

Him and Newcastle are the perfect match. Is this interview timed with Pardew one loss away from the sack? I'd guess so. Maybe Mike Ashley was holding on to Pards while putting the feelers on Moyes (ohh err!)

Michael, no expert either, but tearing the fibers is the point. That's how muscles grow. Though conditioning them can also be done with stress work, which doesn't. Surely muscle fatigue would come about with a lack of working them. Other than wasting away in a Japanese POW camp I'm not sure what muscle fatigue would be.

Throwing up is pretty standard in the pursuit of fitness. I used to dry heave after every session when I did athletics. Footballers, soldiers, cyclists, rowers... big time vomiters.

#26 Sam Hoare

Remember how the typical David Moyes start-of-season routine used to be?

We'd be about where we are now in October.

In exactly the same way Phil (Walling – #20) that you more often than not turn threads into, yawn: (1) wel,l as you know I was not in favour of the appointment in the first place..... (2) I live in a family of Wigganers and I can tell you that..... (3) Martinez is not good enough ......

And what did you honest expect? There is little love lost between Moyes and a large number of Evertonians.

I think that he's a specialist at running a team on a shoestring budget and finding and maximising the output from Championship-level players.

He needs to find a sleeping giant (Leeds and / or Sheffield Weds spring to mind), he'd take them up to the Premier League and settle in mid-table but that would be it.

He doesn't take any risks and that's why he'll never win anything but I'd bet their supporters would settle for that at the moment – before getting very frustrated with him and calling in someone like our current manager, who will take us on to better things.

Jamie @22, That entire medical team that was so thrilled when Moyes departed, now that wouldn't be the same medical team would it that decided Leroy Fer was not fit enough yet since he has not missed a single game?

Surely it is not that very same medical team that passed as fit for purpose a small army of aged Wiganites who can barely break into a trot.

I seem to recall Moyes voicing his anger that our super medicos did not have any idea how long it took for players to recuperate from ordinary injuries.

Aha, I wonder if that last paragraph indicates why those brilliant medicos were so happy to see Moyes go.

Just imparting an account which I thought might be of interest and seemed relevant in light of one or two previous remarks on this thread folks. I've no idea about physiotherapy, conditioning or any of that stuff and would rather Everton were winning all games at a canter, fit as fiddles to a man, etc., etc. Alas, we aren't but nothing's ever straightforward with our lot is it? Up the Toffs!

I think the Newcastle job would be mutually beneficial to both parties. I had a gander at one of their fan sites at the end of last season. I think it was because they thought they were in with a shout of getting Lukaku. It must have also been around the time of Pardew's touchline ban, so different names were going into the hat on who would make a good successor. If memory serves me right, the populist name put forward was Davie Moyes.

When I look back at his tenure with us, I feel kind of duped now. How the hell he got that Man Utd job is beyond me, obviously Old Whisky Nose was taken in too. His name was built on the myth that, even though he'd won 'zero' trophies, he was still one of the best managers in Europe. This was achieved by his miracles with 'plucky little Everton'. A myth he helped to perpetuate himself feeding the media with beauties like the 'knives to gunfight' quote.

I always thought he had a lot of integrity but I still think the man's lower than a snake's belly after those remarks about Baines and Fellaini which oozed hypocrisy after what he said about Mark Hughes's pursuit of Lescott. That, along with how he kept us dangling on a new contract picking up his over-inflated salary, while knowing he was the Mancs' manager in waiting, is pretty underhand stuff as far as I'm concerned.

I wish everyone could be more forgiving. After all we did finally finish above Man Utd in the Premier League because of him.

Poundland are hiring just now, someone should let him know.

I’ve always thought Aston Villa would be a club that Moyes would love to manage given the chance: a big club with little expectation who’ve been struggling for a long time, a place where he can forge a reputation of being a miracle worker on a small budget, and a chance to get back into the limelight.

Newcastle must also be on Moyes’s radar but could Little Boy Lost Moyes handle the sort of comments Ashley makes or his transfer policy if given the chance?

Anyway, i hope he fails big time, whoever it is with. I’m not bitter... I just don’t like the bloke.

I suspect he had offers from Villa whilst he was here. It was a moneybags club in the present owner's early days but he took a big hit in the bank crash and totally reversed his policy. Recently, an avid Villan told me he was now following the 'Kenwright Mode of Ownership'. May God have mercy on him!

No doubt Moyes, got the players fit. The same players also went through a period when they were absolutely shattered, either during or near to the end of a season.
Think this fella is the total opposite. Start slow and grow seems to be the Martinez way. Remember how slow we looked after our warm weather training last January. Then we won seven on the bounce going into the last third of the season.
August till May, is a very long time, even with a big squad and that's exactly where I think the difference lies between Moyes and Martinez.
Martinez, seems like a man with a long term plan, whereas Moyes seems to go with the flow and see where it gets him.
I also have a funny feeling that Moyes could end up at Newcastle, but Indifference is the only emotion I will ever have for him. Didn't do a bad job for the blues, but didn't half spoil himself with the total lack of respect he showed us when he left.

He pretty much soured everything he did for us by being a complete bellend at Man U.

Couldn't give a rhinos left bollock what he does next.

I think Tony (42) has hot the nail on the head.

I think most Everton fans would have wished OFM all the luck in the world if he hadn't acted as he did in the last season he was with us.

In hindsight I can see that he knew he was going to MU and he treated the club that had been very generous to him like shite. I'll never forgive him for that.

I'm beginning to think he was used by MU as a patsy for a season until they could get old big head number 2 as he was their chosen one.

Moyes remains a decent manager; granted he burnt many bridges as he left the building, but for me that takes little away from what he did to stabilize EFC during his tenure. Comparisons of Moyes with RM are massively premature; vision is not enough to maintain the support of supporters indefinitely and RM has some way to go yet if he is to improve on Moyes's record as EFC manager. Best wishes Davy Moyes, wherever you end up next.

Craig 3# - yes Moyes starts to the season were mostly brilliant!!!!???? His fitness techniques legendary in pre-season.

I grew up supporting an Everton side that were nailed on relegation candidates every year. Moyes changed all that on a shoestring and our standing currently is in part down to him. Baines, Mirallas, Coleman etc all Moyes signings. None of Martinez's signing have got to that level yet.

So despite not agreeing with his negative tactics I wish him well. He's a decent manager; I'm sure he will get on well somewhere else.

The richest failure in sport.

We know he earned around 㿅 million with us and I heard recently that that Man Utd decided to cut their loss's with a 㾸 million pay-off – can anybody confirm that?

Perhaps he'll live up to the standards he expects from everyone else and give 20% of it back.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Villa or Newcastle bumped his earnings up even more.

Job at Poundlands? He could probably buy the company!

With David Moyes we always felt 'safe'. He took few chances, organised from the back, put full value on fitness and had no truck with 'fancy Dans'.

He played Bill Kenwright like a fiddle and, in return for virtually guaranteeing top half placing, commanded a manager's salary amongst the highest in the world.

He was not everybody's cup of tea – no manager ever is – and his public persona left much to be desired. Dithering, dour and duplicitous are just three of the adjectives appended to his name during or following his period of stewardship. But, for all that, he served us well.

But, like any manager who survives in a job for over a decade without winning a trophy of any sort – Manager of the Year awards apart – he became boring... and – in the manner of his departure – self-serving. In short, he lost our respect. Fate has seen to it that he was punished for that. It will be a hard road back.

I wish him no ill but I hope we've seen the last of him.

I was one of his biggest critics but always gave him credit for what he did for us even though for most of his tenure with us he bored the fucking pants off me with his negativity and dourness. I feel the same as Tony does though when he says "He pretty much soured everything he did for us by being a complete bellend at Man Utd."

I read that the club are looking for a new, mature, toffee lady for match days.

Phil 31:

"...maximising the output from Championship-level players..."

Seamus Coleman
Kevin Mirallas
Phil Jagielka
Leighton Baines
Nikica Jelavic
Joleon Lescott
Leon Osman
Tim Cahill
Yakubu
Steven Pienaar
Andy Johnson

Every man jack of them an international.

And Mikel Arteta, the current captain of Arsenal.

I'd love him to get the Newcastle job, and take Phil Neville with him.

Whatever your view on him..... when he took over we were shit, when he left we were a hell of lot better.

I'll always be thankful to him for that, anyone who was there in the 90s can probably vouch for that.

Spot on, James Stewart.

He used to frustrate the hell out of me, but there is absolutely no way was he anywhere near as bad as people make out. I think the below link proves just how good a job he did.

http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html

He was never a Man Utd manager but who wouldn’t take that job if offered it?

Newcastle, Sunderland or Villa would be his ideal next steps if he decided to stay in England.

Darren #48, I think the richest failure in sport tag belongs to Dalglish, he was the best paid manager in UK for 2 consecutive seasons after his departure from the rs.

Off topic admittedly - According to one of the Grand Old Team posters - John Aldridge was on 5 live earlier saying how Liverpool's European trips are booked up full all the time and that their supporters take the time to appreciate the culture of the country they visit. He said our supporters are into debauchery when we travel in Europe and it's like a scene from the TV series Spartacus.

Now I don't mind a bit of banter but how come the ex-Reds can seem to say what the hell they like about Everton FC and its supporters but if any player from any other club has a go at them or their fans the media is up in arms and races to the defence of the dark-side? Witness the various responses to Sterling's recent 'news' story.

I am getting a tad fed up with it. Whilst they could get away with it in the 70s and 80s virtue of their success and as Evertonians we took it on the chin, but these days they don't deserve to 'lord' it over us and we shouldn't just accept it.

BTW, Mr Aldridge ask some of those beloved Reds supporters how many of their fans in the 70s and 80s took time to enjoy the culture of the European cities they visited and what sort of impression they left behind them.

"Liverpool's European trips are booked up full all the time and that there supporters take the time to appreciate the culture of the country they visit. He said our supporters are into debaucery when we travel in Europe."

One word.

Heysel.

How dare Aldridge say that? Astonishing!

Re: Aldridge.

Typical RS reinventing history.
Three words - Heysel stadium
And - gobshites

LFC - the Jimmy Savile of the football world.

Robbing tickets off of children and arl fellas is a Greek custom dating back to the days of the original Olympics so the rs fans were just showing their appreciation of Greek culture that time in Athens.

Funny how Liverpool, for all their scarf-waving and music playing and heritage, gloss over Heysel like it ever happened.

A shameful despicable incident which resulted in the banning of British clubs from Europe completely.

Imagine that happening now.

Ask Juventus fans and families how many Liverpool fans embraced the culture that night.

I think the majority of us wish DM luck. His big mistake with us when he left was trying to nick the silver on the way out.Most Toffees say he had a good defensive brain but never did anything much with attackers.

Didn't Uefa call RS fans the worst in Europe not so long ago?

I think the way people say 'Moyes took over when we were shite and saved us from relegation' is a back handed compliment. We were still on the outside chance of top 4 even when he had to go 7 transfer windows without a single cash signing. If he ran out of ideas and got tired like people say, no wonder! Far from reducing expectations, he gave us them back.

But hey, all in the past. As much as I'm not a fan of Roberto, we're only 5 points off 4th and a lot of players to come back. Its all good, its all good, its all good, its all... and so on...

Too many people let Moyes the person cloud their memories of Moyes the manager.

He was a good manager, not exciting, not everyone's cup of tea, not necessarily great but he was a good manager. What happened at United would have happened no matter who had taken over: Moyes was the patsy. He will come back stronger and if he takes on another Premier League club then there will be another team fighting for a top 7 place.

Saying that, he was a total knob the way he behaved when he left,

The problem for us now is that Moyes will make the likes of Newcastle Utd, Astion Villa or West Brom much stronger. Which means it'll be another difficult away day for us and another team challenging the Top 7.

I will always respect and appreciate what David Moyes did for us. Supporting Everton in the 90s was an agonising experience.

Maybe he did stay too long but even in his last season we still finished 6th.

I agree, he didn't help himself when he left us.

David Moyes to Hertha Berlin — watch this space!