David Moyes has been named as the new coach of Primera Division side Real Sociedad on an 18-month deal.
Moyes, who was sacked by Manchester United in April following a dismal first season in charge at Old Trafford, has been handed a contract until June 2016 with the Spanish club.
Moyes, 51, replaces Jagoba Arrasate, who was sacked by the San Sebastian-based club on 2 November after a poor start to the season.
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Taking a knife to a gun fight.
"United" fans will be upset by this inevitable outburst.
Although I enjoyed watching Man Utd failing on the pitch while Moyes was there, that was probably more about watching them failing as a club and not about Moyes. Good luck to him. San Sebastian is a wonderful place to live so I hope he enjoys it.
Ian agreed, I surprised myself how much I enjoyed seeing Man Utd fail, but think it may be more that it was Man Utd than Moyes.
Kunal, Sociedad have already beaten Real (and Athletico) this season, they’re their only wins.
He had an overly cushy number here shielding Kenwright from the flak he deserved, saw his arse and was quickly out the door for his true colours at the Theatre of Wet Dreams... now Spain will get to savour his middle-of-the-road, one-trick-pony ways.
Colin, at a lower level, Eddie Howe is doing a great job second time around at Bournemouth while Tony Pulis, whatever you think of his style of play, did a good job in his second stint at Stoke.
He is nowhere near as bad a manager as some here make out and he will do well... albeit he will never win anything with them.
David’s contribution to our cause was never fully appreciated and some of the comments since his leaving us shame many of those amongst us.
Soon forgotten is the fact that over an eleven year stay, his win record was only ever bettered by Catterick and Kendall 1 and what is never mentioned is that at Man Utd it was an outstanding 50%. Not his fault that that club failed abysmally to support him in the transfer market and that some of his staff were less than loyal.
Only last weekend I commented that now the halo of Martinez is beginning to lose its glow, re-revisionists were appearing amongst us. Certainly, few would now deny how much better was Moyes at getting ’both ends’ of the team to work as one – even if they didn’t need 20 passes to get it up to Big Dunc!
True, a little bit of my faith in the man wavered during the summer of his leaving but David had earned the promotion to the biggest club in the world and so deserved to see a bit more support from his new masters and players. And his premature replacement is hardly lighting any fires, is he?
Perhaps the short-term of his Soceidad contract is designed to put him in prime place when BK makes the call for him to return here, as he surely will!
And, Richard, nice to see you back on here.
Hope he falls flat on his sanctimonious, hypocritical arse. Again.
Do they have any decent players that we can snatch, surely he wouldnÂ’t stand in their way of getting into the Premier League?
Fuck me. You certainly havenÂ’t lost your touch, Doddy.
Anyway, although Sociedad are dossing down near the bottom of the league at the moment, werenÂ’t they in the Champions League just last year? I know they flogged a fair few players since then but thereÂ’s still enough quality there to get them moving up the table.
Maybe Moyes might be more up to the task of following in the footsteps of such luminaries (posh word for Â’orrible fuckwits) like John Aldridge and Chris Coleman than he was Ferguson.
I can just see him now... barking out Scottish twanged orders on the training ground, Spanish phrase book in hand, sporting skimpy, scrotum squashing, seventies style shorts, with sunburn so severe he looks like a fucking scrawny version of HellBoy.
Have you been drinking mate? Do you and Brady hold hands and genuflect in front of posters of Ginger Twat, Kleenex at the ready?
Yes, he did a good job for us; yes, he steadied the ship and stopped us being perennial relegation candidates... end of, mate.
11 years of sod all, one cup final appearance and too many times choking.
God forbid he comes back and serves up that negative dross he calls football. I have been going to the Old Lady since Â’73 so I have experience of watching dross and excellence.
I made a few bob betting to finish Â’seventhishÂ’ each season which I donÂ’t expect to be repeated under Martinez. But he might be a Â’cupÂ’ manager which Moyes rarely was.
True, Martinez made a better team of what Moyes left him and seems a more sociable guy but his signings are generally poor and he will pay the price for that in more than one way. HeÂ’s certainly the King of Bullshit whilst Moyes was more King of Misery!
Richard Dodd, I had forgotten about you! "how much better was Moyes at getting ’both ends’ of the team to work as one" – to what effect? 11 years of winning nothing?
I for one was happy when he was ’found out’ at Man United. Strangely, I think he might do well at Real Sociedad – just a feeling.
So, if thatÂ’s right, Gavin, his Premier League record there was exactly 50% win ratio as Richard stated and would you put him behind anyone weÂ’ve had except the two legends?
On topic: I wish Moyes all the best. He did a great job for us in the first five years, stayed on at least a few years too long – hindsight is a beautiful thing – and his behaviour after leaving was dubious, but all-in-all, I don’t have any bad feelings towards him. I do however doubt if he will have any impact at Sociedad. I always imagined Moyes’s best quality is motivating a team to grind out results and, as far as I know he does not speak Spanish, so a lot will be lost in translation.
WhereÂ’s he these days?
Erik, I think Hiddink had just had enough at the time, his Chavski side were some side to watch at the time.
IÂ’ve only missed two league games since Roberto came in but donÂ’t have the same faith in him as I did in Moyesy. It hasnÂ’t been easy to post on here but have been busy elsewhere although not as positively as last season.
I truly believe that we shall do well in Europe and the Cup as I think Roberto is the better manager in one-off situations which was DaveyÂ’s weakest spot.
PPG Manager Name EOS (38*PPG)
1.79 Kendall Howard 1 68
1.76 Martinez Roberto 66
1.62 Catterick Harry 61
1.52 Harvey Colin 57
1.50 Moyes David 57
1.43 Royle Joe 54
1.43 Lee Gordon 54
1.42 Bingham Billy 53
1.41 Carey Johnny 53
1.33 Kendall Howard 2 50
1.29 Kelly Theo 49
1.23 Britton Cliff 46
1.16 Buchan Ian 44
1.15 Smith Walter 43
1.05 Kendall Howard 3 40
Will that be enough to get me the job?
You are not seriously suggesting that Roberto is better than Catterick, Moyes and Royle, are you?
DidnÂ’t WalkerÂ’s record at Norwich make him the best manager who ever walked the earth?
Surely all Moyes has to do to adapt his coaching techniques to suit a more Spanish style is sit and watch endless reruns of Speedy Gonzales: "ÃÂndele! ÃÂndele! Arriba! Arriba! Epa! Epa! Epa!"
The memories of Steve Round might come flooding back when he sees the episode starring SpeedyÂ’s sidekick Â’Slowpoke RodriguezÂ’ though.
Don’t be so silly – I was just providing some information about Everton managers and their performances whilst in charge of the Toffees.
Obviously if Roberto maintains the number of points gained per game over a significant period of time he will be doing better than most people give him credit for. His stock can rise and fall in the next few years but he has made a decent start and if he were to say keep his ppg running for 200 games he would have amassed 352 points and he would be on target for 67 or 68 points per season which is pretty good historically for an Everton manager.
Opinions are obviously different and I like to on occasion look at the facts to support an opinion. I didnÂ’t include Mike Walker because he didnÂ’t complete a full season and besides which why pitch his record at Norwich with RobertoÂ’s at Everton?
ItÂ’s striking that after 10 months at Man Utd, the media, including the BBC, now exclusively refer to him as "former Man Utd Manager", completely erasing 11 eventful and much more meaningful years at Goodison.
Only to be expected I suppose these days, but I wish him good luck.
Of his era he achieved a stability – nothing to get excited about if you want to see success in terms of trophies and final appearances.
(Nodding dog)
The pendant in me is screaming..... "HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK THEN?"
He has 42% win ratio with us, goes to Man Ure and has a 50% win ratio (League) 53% (Overall) and his overall ratio drops to 41%.
Eh?
Since when is consistently finishing top 7 mid-table??? Winds me up sometimes the southern attitude to our great club.
Moyes did a good job under no pressure lifting EFC to becoming a top 8 side. For some people that was genius, for me, the least we should expect. He then spent his time telling us how good he had been, rather than what he was going to do. Then he took a Â’betterÂ’ job and fucked it up. Why people still talk about him in such hushed tones is beyond me.
No-one knows how MartinezÂ’s time here will end up, but it is interesting how MoyesÂ’ methods have embedded into the psyche of many Blues, who long for the good old days of aimless short-termism followed by the odd barnstorming backs-to-the-wall 1-0 win against the big bad clubs. Interestingly, these are often the same people who criticise Martinez for having Â’no plan BÂ’ in one breath, then criticise him for changing the team!
The bottom line is that Moyes didnÂ’t win us anything, never looked like winning us anything and had absolutely nothing left to offer us except one more heave of the same stuff.
I wish him every success in his new job and hope he never returns to us.
For the man in charge at Real Socieadad this will end up a Charlton Heston on the beach staring at the Statue of Liberty in Planet of the Apes movie type moment.
I cant wait to see this unfold.Hilarious.
I’ve lived through two great managers, Kendall and Catterick. I don’t know the stats, but I know they won trophies and built two title-winning teams. Joe Royle saved us from relegation and won the cup.
The only stats that matter are goals scored, games won, trophies won. That’s how I’ll judge Martinez and my own statistic-free view is that he’s got more chance of doing that than the last guy.
What’s ’I only wanted to get out of the Bernabeu alive’ in Spanish?
In all seriousness, if he fails with Sociedad, his next job might be the Championship, like Steve McClaren.
Perfect platform for Moyes to go there and claim the glory by doing not very much and being lauded as a hero. This isn’t meant to be bitter in anyway, as I say above, a very astute club to go to at this time. Use the players they currently have, get to top half safety this season and maybe Europa next year and leave as a hero and try to get a bigger club, having enjoyed San Sebastian - which is a great little city.
Interesting to see how they do but think they’ll easily go up the table.
I’m sure the Sociedad fans would want to be entertained, as do all fans. Not even a die hard fanatic like Doddy could proclaim Moyes’ style of play as entertaining.
I think Denis is right and that my hero will be looking to come home by 2017. I suspect by then, most of us will be crying out for his return to Everton !
It’s been just like old times today !
It’s not just you mate.
I’d like to challenge anyone to tell me any manager available who could come in and play better football than we are doing now with RM.
I can’t think of anyone.
I don’t believe that Martinez is pursuing a ’pointless passing strategy’. Whatever you think of Martinez, whoever took over from Moyes would have focused on better ball retention. Right now, I agree that we are looking ponderous and lacking the drive to make the passing count.
I have been disappointed with this season, but my view is that as we get better and more comfortable at keeping the ball, the existing squad and/or new additions will give us the pace and guile we need. It looks like to me like a better way of developing the team that Moyes’ annual one more heave strategy. The only stats I have to back this up are from last season, where the ’pointless’ strategy resulted in 5th place, record points and goals scored.
Before you rush to judgement about Martinez 10 games into his second season, cast your mind back to your hero’s second season, where the genius led us to 17th place, after what I thought was a very positive first season. If you can allow him that ’blip’, I think you can allow Martinez a little rope, for now at least.
For me, the worst point regarding Moyes is that after 11 years, the debate was about whether the players could/should pass the ball. You want a coach like that to come back? Not me.
I don’t believe that Martinez is pursuing a ’pointless passing strategy’. Whatever you think of Martinez, whoever took over from Moyes would have focused on better ball retention. Right now, I agree that we are looking ponderous and lacking the drive to make the passing count.
I have been disappointed with this season, but my view is that as we get better and more comfortable at keeping the ball, the existing squad and/or new additions will give us the pace and guile we need. It looks like to me like a better way of developing the team that Moyes’ annual one more heave strategy. The only stats I have to back this up are from last season, where the ’pointless’ strategy resulted in 5th place, record points and goals scored.
Before you rush to judgement about Martinez 10 games into his second season, cast your mind back to your hero’s second season, where the genius led us to 17th place, after what I thought was a very positive first season. If you can allow him that ’blip’, I think you can allow Martinez a little rope, for now at least.
For me, the worst point regarding Moyes is that after 11 years, the debate was about whether the players could/should pass the ball. You want a coach like that to come back? Not me.
Socieadad released statement that the deal is not done.
Anyone got any theories on what that could involve?
Moyes is not the type of man to string a football club along whilst knowing he had another job :-)
The zombie paced aimless Ticcckkeee taacckkeee is made all the more brain numbing, by the refusal to risk losing posession by allowing midfielders to drive into the box . its about as entertaining as a dental appointment
I was made up to see the back of the TGT. His relentless percentage shite was only punctuated by Osman/Baines/Pienaar getting the ball down and playing, but this has been a real out of the frying pan into the fire job. The
monotony of Robbies zombie paced Tiiccckkkeeee Taacccckkkkeeee is only is only ever broken when somebody like Barkley, Coleman, or KM shrug off possession obsession and go for the jugular.
The good thing about Martinez, is he isn’t Davey Moyes. but thats not enough anymore.
I’ve been at Goodison Park with less than 10,000 people inside it for a first team game – why? Because all but the die-hards chose not to attend due to the boring football and lack of goals.
He will be fine, as will the team. Sell out crowds would indicate that.
Take Chelsea out of the equation and only two teams have scored more goals than us this season.
Our football can’t be described as aimless given the goals scored.
All these people on here ’getting off’ on this ’pretty stuff’ that ends in nothing that seems to be getting plaudits all round. The only football I find exciting is when our team sticks it in the bloody net – the rest is about as satisfying as endless foreplay!
Just about the only thing Mr Dodd and I have ever agreed on but can’t see just how much will change as it’s what ’new football’ is all about!
The poor bloke can’t win can he? If it’s too many long balls in a game it’s seen as a hark back to the Moyes era and if we play a short passing game it’s boring! What do want him to do?
Give me Tiki-Taka over hoofball to Fellaini any day.
As for Goodison being a morgue, I don’t remember a cacophony of noise every week in the Moyes era, so you can’t just blame Martinez for that.
As Brian Clough once said, ’If God wanted football to be played in the clouds, he’d have put grass up there’.
If you don’t like that, Darren, it’s your opinion, but the best football played at Goodison for many years is being masterminded by our current manager. Long may it continue.
Catterick’s first 49 games yielded more points and goals (105) and Gordon Lee is just below Martinez in his first 49 league games but his team scored a few more goals (85). Will Martinez be a Gordon Lee or a Harry Catterick in the next few years? Discuss!!
They’re not doing it enough, that’s the problem. The real debate is whether Martinez is ordering them to keep the ball at all costs (really??), he’s unable to get the message across, or the players are unable to do this with a level of consistency.
Today’s fan doesn’t have to worry about his kids seeing gangs kicking fuck out of each other. Football is considered sexy and although Bobby’s blue sky talk would have gone some way to adding the extra 3,000 fans, the incredible value for money offered by our club, compared to others, has had a lot more to do with it – our under 16’s pay about a fiver a game.
Bobby may have seduced them with promises of sophisticated football, but he has broken his promise and bored the arses of them. Anyone who claims Goodison has not been bored rigid this season simply hasn’t been. The place has never been so quiet – not even when we were getting 10,000.
Those new fans will be gone just as quickly as they got here if this guy who made the promises continues to stifle the best squad of players we’ve had for nearly 30 years.
So the only alternative to aimlessly passing the ball around racking up possession stats is to "Hoof the ball up to a fellaini" type?
Fuck me, that’s a load off. Here’s me worrying that Martinez was refusing to entertain a whole host of alternative styles where he could utilise the strengths of top players like Lukaku and Barkley.
In those ’good old days’ football was a fraction of the cost it is today and certainly not such a big percentage of a working person’s wages and even those who were unfortunately out of work could still manage to scrape enough to attend Goodison once a fortnight. I would contend that it is more difficult to do so today.
Probably the lack of noise has more to do with the crowd in general being of an age where singing and screaming doesn’t seem natural to them. There are probably far fewer people in the 17-21 year-old age group inside Goodison today, they are the group who are the more likely to be raucous and vocal, than there were during the 70s and 80s.
The season when less than 10,000 were inside Goodison was the FA Cup winning season of 1984 and most of those financially challenged supporters managed to get to three cup finals, three semi-finals and a few away cup-ties in between - if Everton supporters believe that the team is worth watching they will find the money, if they believe the team is not making headway they will stay away.
And I don’t think Martinez cares about possession stats.
You weren’t complaining last season were you? Or are you only proclaiming us as boring because we haven’t started as well?
I think you’re right about the atmosphere. I watch games on the internet from up here in the Highlands and the only shouting I do lately is for our players to run at defences with conviction.
I think the ’sparkling’ football of last season was an exaggeration. The only difference last season was that the go for the jugular players did it more often.
On a happier note, I may be working in Liverpool when we’re playing Hull, so it could be my first trip to Goodison for a few years. If I can’t get a ticket, could I spare your boredom and have your seat for the evening?
I’m firmly behind Martinez, and I’m more than ready to give him time to get the squad where he wants it and to implement his methods, but I don’t see how anyone can claim with a straight face that we’ve played good stuff so far this season.
80 minutes of the Arsenal game, Wolfsburg and Lille have been the only examples of the players on the pitch actually clicking and coming anywhere near what they produced for long patches last season.
Seriously, in what other games have we looked ’excellent’? I’m genuinely interested to know because I feel like I missed out.
Not necessarily Paul.
Would a manager like Pulis or Allerdyce be bothered about possession stats? They’d probably have been loathe to lose Fellaini because he was the man best suited to having a hoof aimed at his head.
Not many managers would have come in like Martinez and attempted to totally transform the style of play from the off.
That forced change of style was evident throughout his first pre-season with Howard, Distin and Jags moving the ball gingerly amongst themselves whilst seemingly having a competition to see who could most closely mimic the movements of the stop motion Cyclops from ’The 7th Voyage Of Sinbad’.
A lot of managers would probably have gone for the easier option and said ’let’s leave things as they are, try to maintain the methods the players are used to and see if we can make some moves in the transfer market to take the team on a little bit’.
That wouldn’t automatically be a worse approach, just an alternative one.
Martinez chose the teams current system and style and managed to get the players to buy into it but it wasn’t the logical, or only, choice.
Yeah. There’s more chance of the girl guides crying out for Gary Glitter to get a comeback gig.
Despite his disrespectful attempts to ride roughshod over his former club last summer, the Ned Flanders of Formby is still ready to forgive and forget and proclaim the fallen Presbo as his personal ’hero’. How pre-diddly-dictable.
RM by contrast has been a revelation (and I was one of the doubters when he was first appointed) and knocks Moyes and his negative, cliche’d football and demeanour out of the Park.
Gavin
I’ m not sure if you’ve noticed or not, but the Premier League has been recession proof. The recent global recession barely impacted on your average Premier League attendance. It doesn’t matter how much the like of Arsenal or Chelsea charge, they still keep selling out... and so do the surrounding alehouses.
It’s part and parcel nowadays. They are voting with their feet at Goodison.
At the time I don’t remember a clamour for another artless British percentage merchant. The talk was of Bielsa and Hiddinck.
Martinez was bold enough to give us radical change, he proved last season that footballers can pass and keep the ball with pretty good results. He got the likes of Lukaku, Mirallas, Barkley and Coleman running at teams with menace. It ended with lots of goals and points.
So far this season we’ve scored goals and been poor to watch. The charge sheet against Martinez reads a shocking pre-season, paying over the odds for, then not utilising, Lukaku, a missing defence (now sorted), poor substitutions and a complete lack of zip in the team. He hasn’t been helped by injuries, but I think the players available have been good enough to deliver. They haven’t and that’s down to the manager.
I often felt during Moyes’s time that if we could keep the ball and dictate a game better, our pace and energy would bring us success. We could never keep the ball enough, which too often resulted in us hanging on grimly for a win which often turned into late equalisers/winners against us. I think the previous strategy was a busted flush in terms of taking the team on and that we need more than the odd player coming in.
At the moment, we’re good at keeping the ball, but there’s an absence of responsibility for making things happen in the final third that’s painful and frustrating to watch.
I’ve never regarded Martinez as a genius or great manager, but I do think long-term we’re on the right lines. He needs to mix keeping the ball with some genuine bite up front. He needs to get the creative players taking risks now that the defence is looking solid again.
While he deserves all the stick he’s getting right now, I think it’s a bit early to talk in terms of disaster. Still, I’d be curious to hear some alternatives...........
I for one am rather happy with what I am seeing, and I continue to be optimistic about our future under Bobby, who has thus far just had shortly over one season at the helm and has achieved forward steps already.
Yes this season has been very frustrating at times, none more so than this Sunday just gone, as well as our start to the season in general, but the potential is there. Turn a few missed chances into goals and take away the calamity defence at the beginning, and things would look even more promising now. But that has not happened and so its been frustrating...... But I still like the direction we are going in. I now watch us expecting to win and to give the usual top 4 a good game at the very least.......Before Bobby I didn’t look forward to those games with quite so much optimism. If nothing else then there is a sense of belief that we can really do something now, where as before we always felt we would come up short..... Who knows what Martinez’s reign will bring in the end, time will tell, but I’m excited to watch and see!
ps – I agree with the atmosphere around grounds generally these days being part and parcel of the modern game, its quieter everywhere these days in my opinion.
Anyone who thinks we’ve been good to watch this season hasn’t been watching us – Arsenal, Villa and Lille excepted.
You’re right Stephen – I think we’re on the right lines.
I think any Man Utd fans happy with Moyes when he joined them, there were a few, were also very sceptical about whether he could take a team that bit further to glory or whether he was just very good at building up a team but not being able to go any further once there. For that reason, Man Utd wasn’t a good fit for him. He had proved he could do a particular job with us, but never proved he could win anything.
But as you say Paul, I do believe we are going in the right direction at present.
However, if it is true that he almost completely lost the dressing room at United, with talk of hitting passes per game targets and asking Ferdinand to be more like Jagielka, surely the writing is on the wall given that half of Sociedad’s players are like a family, which has been coached to play expansive football?
Martinez – yes, our team play a patient, possession style. The most recent game against Lille was all about this. We scored 3 goals. We won. It works. It was entertaining. Frustrating when the players get it wrong, mad that we lose a player a game to injury but the system works.
Moyes – a bottler of big games maybe but where is this long-ball shite coming from? He was with us for so long who can say what his style was when his teams played according to the personnel. Try reviewing his last season with us. Baines and Coleman going forward as they do, setting up goals and entertaining most of us (Baines has yet to play so well under Martinez). No credit.
That’s my tuppence for what it’s worth; apologies I couldn’t be any more hysterical.
He managed (badly) 34 Premier League games and won 17. That’s 50% without cup games.
It could just be poor journalism. Even the Beeb is guilty of it at times.
Lowest points tally etc
Turned into a twat along the way too.
As I mentioned, it was the inner pendant that couldn’t let it go.
Premierwise, we are ’mid-table ordinary’ and will finish as such. But I’m betting on the lads turning it on in those other competitions. (Always provided we don’t have a dose of Robles!)
I would be happy to accept your bet.
I would have a good bet that we finish better than mid table.
I always laugh when I read that... pity it just went round and round in circles and never went anywhere.
(For the "pendants" amongst you, I know alphabetically that doesn’t really work.)
I can’t understand those who criticise his record for us and I can’t help but think that 1) they do not grasp the economics of football 2) forget the shit years before he came.
The finishes of the pre-Moyes era were dismal in general, and we had essentially become a bottom-half side with little hope. Moyes transformed that side on a smaller budget than everyone of his rivals. He could have won a trophy, he could have got us playing better football, but can any Evertonian really deny that he didn’t leave us in a better state that when he first took over?
There were some poor buys of course, and some poorer seasons, but in general we got used to being a team with genuine European ambitions again. He brought the likes of Cahill, Arteta, Lescott, Jagielka, Baines etc to the club, and his later signings, most notably Coleman, Stones and Mirallas have flourished in his absence. I would be a very happy man if Martinez could match Moyes’s transfer record, and I think the club is in the position it is today (i.e financially stable, and forward thinking) in part because of him.
He is no messiah or Mourinho, but he is a very good Premier League manager who understandably took a shot at the United job at a time when they need serious reconstruction, but fucked up horribly. I personally hope he will be a success though, and I’m glad he managed this club.
The same part that wanted Joe Royle to do well at Man City and Oldham etc.
In a league with 20 teams surely mid table is 10th?
Some fair points re the players he brought in for decent money, although he did buy a few dummies.
I agree that any fair-minded fan should accept he left the club in a better state than he found it. Most fair-minded fans would, after 11 years and north of 㿀 million in wages, expect nothing less.
When you consider what Moyes paid for Baines, Stones, Jagielka, Mirallas, Coleman and what they would be worth today, compare that to RM’s buys... apart from McCarthy, none are worth more than we paid for them.
So there are many facets to management and for me Moyes did a great job; yes, a trophy would have been nice but he turned this club from perennial relegation fodder to competing for a European place.
Few would disagree that Robles, Kone and Alcaraz have done anything to replay fees and/or wages and Lukaku is already being dubbed ’an expensive Yakubu’ !
Nobody,but nobody will perform miracles at Everton but with Davey we had a very safe pair of hands !
Finally, I believe you are a little premature in gloating about Lukaku.
I’m happy all the money didn’t disappear into the "operating costs" bracket
Of course, as an avid Blue, I hope you are right but so far, his only successful addition to Davey’s team is by the signing of McCarthy - all our other top players he inherited. And with such an abysmal start to this season he has no chance of attaining last season’s ’carry over’ 21 wins!
The possession football which he has sold so well to TWers has counted for nothing this season with only 3 victories in 11 games but, as long as you are happy with that, his ’smoothness’ is paying dividends.
All rubbish, eh?
Moyes. Comfort zone manager. Though he couldn’t lose by joining Man Utd, yet did. Under no pressure whilst at Everton.
I’d imagine both managers will finish around 7th this season in their respective leagues, as will our Roberto.
If people don’t already see that Martinez has taken us to another level, they never will.
Lukaku and McCarthy cost a total of 41m - they are 21 and 24 respectively, both full internationals and both among our best players. Do you really think the money spent here has been ’blown’? These players’ values will only increase going forward never mind making our team better whilst they’re here.
I love the way some people call Lukaku money wasted when the guy scored 15 goals in 31 league games last season and has 4 in 11 so far, mostly whilst playing injured. That’s not far off a goal every 2 league games since he joined - jeez that’s just really shite, please bring back the Straq and Marcus Bent or fuck it, don’t bother playing a striker at all...
Moyes signed some very good players and he also signed A LOT of shite players - ironically often whenever he had any money to spend. Any person given the managers’ job for 11 years is obviously going to sign some good players at some point, its called simple trial and error. Moyes was not some genius in the transfer market, far from it.
Getting Lukaku, Barry and Delboy on loan whilst conning Man U to cough up 27.5m for Fellaini and West Brom to pay 6m for Anichebe - that’s what I call being savvy in the transfer market.
The Kone transfer has been unlucky but even that was paid for by offloading Anichebe (no tears shed there). Alcaraz is on a free (insurance covers wages when injured). Robles is simply back up, just like Hanneman was (although he was 3rd(!) choice). McGeady cost us f’all and Besic was cheap and is already an international at 21. We also have a certain Samuel Eto’o - Moyes could never have signed such a player.
Please let’s finally give it a rest about Moyes’ supposed great transfer know how and Martinez’ supposed mistakes. Our squad today is not even comparable to the one Moyes left behind.
Of course he did a solid, steady job, but for a team that never had a chance in the league, his record in cup games was pretty appalling.
And his most exciting match in his final season probably came when we beat United at Goodison in our first game.
I wonder how many on here will all of a sudden have Sociedad as their second team???
When he was given money to spend.....oh dear. Still, the money he gave us for Fellaini came in handy and proved my point.
I’m still waiting for someone to come on here and tell me what Moyes would have given us if he stayed, or god forbid, came back.
... reminds me of only a few years ago: "We need to get to 40 points like every other team, and then see where we can go from there"
"The first thing is to climb the table, away from relegation. My expectations are high. I’ll push myself to get a winning team and make sure the way we play is entertaining."
His record signing was Fellaini who many people regarded as one of our most important players for a few seasons. We sold him for double the money.
His next biggest transfer fee was for Yakubu. Until his serious injury, he was prolific and not by any means a poor signing.
Bilyaletdinov signed for ٧M probably the one you could really class as a flop but still got ٤M back for him.
The next biggest signing was Andy Johnson. His double against the Redshite was worth the fee alone and he was still sold for a nice profit to Fulham.
Beattie was next biggest at ٤.5M and couldn’t be considered a success but we still recouped ٢M on him.
The next three biggest signings under Moyes were Baines, Heitinga and Mirallas at ٤M each. I can’t see any argument where you can ever call Baines a flop and Heitinga won Player of the Season and was really good for a number of years. We can see of late how much we have been missing Mirallas.
Jelavic was next at ٣.5M and he was on fire for those first 6 months before ultimately disappointing but we still tuned a profit on him.
Distin was next at ٣M and he has largely given good service for 5 years.
For you to come on here and tell us we should be ashamed of comments made, after the way he acted and spoke about Everton when he thought he’d hit the ’big time’ is a complete joke — he himself caused these bad feelings.
Moyes may go on about the challenge of La Liga, but with no disrespect to Sociedad, that is a massive backward step.
It also speaks volumes in the last 6 months that he has never once been back at Goodison as a guest of the board, which tells us that even Bill despises old Ginger Nuts now. Forgive me if someone has already said this. His reputation at Everton has been shattered forever.
Which means, Doddy, Moyes will never return to this club in any capacity, however much you wish it to happen.
As for the rest, youÂ’re clutching at straws. Fellaini was sold at a profit... to Moyes. No-one else seemed to want him, despite his dadÂ’s efforts. The rest were average players who failed at our club.
Yes, we got money for them – is that success? I’d rather they had stayed at the club and been successful.
IÂ’ll maintain his great strength was buying and motivating lower league players.
I don’t care what he does now. He could end up like Alan Curbishley – ie, always in the frame for a decent job but never actually given one.
Errrrrrr, David, have you got a minute...
He hopes to be the Â’first of manyÂ’ British managers abroad. Er... Davey: Bobby Robson, Terry Venables (Barcelona and Australia), John Toshack, our very own Howie Kendall, Chris Coleman, Steve McClaren, won the title with Twente, Roy Hodgson, our very own Reidy with Thailand, now in India.
DonÂ’t act like youÂ’re the shining light at the head of a new trend.
He was well out of it!
Would you care to explain that missive? Got me beat.
WTF canÂ’t you understand that most of us will support and defend the club that we love and donÂ’t give a shit about the fragile ego of a twat that dissed us?
Welcome back, Doddy, Moyes tinted glasses and all (shouldÂ’ve gone to specsavers). YouÂ’re definitely the archetypical marmite poster here on TW.
Yes, all the usual givens, made a few bob for us with Lesscott, Rodwell, Arteta and Fellaini. Steadied the ship early doors, etc, etc. But... halfway through his reign, IÂ’d had enough of his playing not to lose. For me, when we did play decent joined-up stuff: (a) it wasnÂ’t often enough; and (b) It seemed to be in spite of him, not because of him.
The Hibbert / Spurs thing did for me along with, Square pegs in round holes and the whole, Â’Knife to a gunfightÂ’.
I donÂ’t think he handled, from my / our point of view, the Man Utd move well, he seemed to be blinded by the glamour of it all, it had Â’Wilf McGuiness and the Poison ChaliceÂ’ written all over it.
But that was then and now he has another job. He can probably do, if it doesnÂ’t get lost in translation, the La Liga equivalent of the 7th-ish Trophy for them, who knows he may have even learned something new along the way as a by-product of the last 18 - 24 months.
If Roberto fell under the proverbial bus tomorrow and it was between Moyes and AN Other. Well Mr Other would have to be a complete whopper of the first order before IÂ’d want Moyes back.
Now we are repaying debt, hanging on to our best players, attracting higher profile players; short of an oil sheikh pumping in billions, it's going as well as it possibly could.
The start of the season was disappointing but there are always ups and downs on the road – recent results are just white noise; at a macro level things are fine, we have a good team, good manager and for once adequate finances.
To me, how we are performing currently is paramount. That is determined directly by our recent results. They dictate our mood, define who we are, and where we are among our peers.
Recent results are surely what itÂ’s all about, arenÂ’t they? White noise? I donÂ’t geddit. If we have a good team, a good manager and adequate finances but are not getting good results, then something is clearly amiss.
Hang on mate, IÂ’ll get me abacus out and get back to you
ThatÂ’s what I donÂ’t like.
It is about the fans at Newcastle wanting Pardew out after 5 games and clamouring for him to Manager of the Season after 10.
So you are saying that after all the excitement at the end of last season, that we have not got off to a flyer, things are going belly up, something is wrong and we need to change. Strewth!
I donÂ’t blame the younger fans at all, itÂ’s all theyÂ’ve known. But Moyes played along to BillyÂ’s tune, decrying our poverty, whilst in the process trousering 㿄m in wages. He stayed at EFC too long for his own good, and walking into the ego fest that was OT with his own over-inflated self worth was never going to end well.
But, Martinez is under the same rule. HeÂ’ll follow the boardÂ’s direction. The football may be more watchable, but we wonÂ’t improve much until someone pays the owners the massive profits theyÂ’re looking for to exit.
When Martinez eventually leaves, I would predict he will do so with the grace and affection so lacking in his predecessor. And to think some want Moyes back now...
I hope the media fascination with him fades fast, as I am hating the lazy comparisons they are making in comparing Sociedad to Everton and which suit MoyesÂ’s own agenda as he desperately tries to re invent himself. I am also chuckling however at how all parties seem to be airbrushing last season from his patchy CV.
And then says Â’At Everton we couldnÂ’t really set up to win big games, but at Manchester United we go out to winÂ’.
Sums his reign up really. We could have mixed it with the big boys, but in the end our own manager didnÂ’t think we were capable.
For all the venom directed at Â’my manÂ’ on here, I can honestly claim that he left both the team and our club in a far better place than when he joined it and earnestly believe that Everton would be in better places than they are today were he to have remained our manager.
Not that IÂ’m particularly interested but I would say the same about Man Utd had they kept faith in him and I have many work colleagues of United persuasion who now say the same thing!
And so, dear friends, I will return to my (watering) hole, safe in the knowledge that Martinez can expect the same Â’gratitudeÂ’ when he ceases to be Everton manager, regardless of success or failure. Farewell!
For any of you still clinging to your Gollum shrine try not to laugh at the delusional clownÂ’s own self view in this article:-
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/david-Moyes-unveiled-new-real-sociedad-manager-im-more-like-jose-mourinho-1474732
You couldnÂ’t make this stuff up if you tried!
I never had one, so please feck off!
Funny, thinking about it now, as one disappeared, another did seem to appear...
HasnÂ’t this boil been lanced already, or with every appointment to a new job will we have another cleansing?
Oh and he didnÂ’t compare himself to Maureen, he was asked what his style was like, Maureen or A N Other, he chose one of the two options.
He has gone, he turned into a gobby twat at the theatre of screams and now he is in a different country......yet we are still arguing amongst ourselves about him.
If he read this he would be pissing himself.
Have you ever sampled the weird rats piss that they pass off as real ale in the Freshfield?
You are by no means the first to try that one and it never works. IÂ’ll quit posting when IÂ’m good and ready.
ps: For your information, the Freshy serves the very best real ale in Formby!
ThatÂ’s how I see it.
However, he had surrounded himself with honest hard working pros, and had no idea what a nest of vipers he was inheriting with the Man Utd squad. Players such as Rio – soz I forgot my urine sample, "no chips" – Ferdinand etc.
They all stabbed him in the back, especially Ryan "I love my brother" Giggs. So he was destined to fail. I took no enjoyment watching it all unravel; it was uncomfortable to watch – at times he looked really ill.
However, his stock is on the up, as not even the ego maniacal Van Gaal can sort the stink out with a 𧶲M spend and an easier fixture list.
I’m not pro Moyes – I was glad to see him go towards the end – but anyone who claims he isn’t a decent manger is just blind and bitter.
After the highs of last season, reality bites this season, and IÂ’m quite concerned with our massive backward step this year under Martinez.
Ironically though, we did Wigan a few weeks before and found it to be pretty good – cheap as chips as well!
For the record, my position on Moyes coincides pretty much with that of Daniel @219 whilst I suspect Doddy's is somewhat more Sociadad orientated... since Tuesday, anyway.
I've dropped into the Freshfield a few times but never caught sight of Mr Dodd although on enquiry one of the bar staff claimed to be his nephew!
Mind you, my views are so popular that I might start hiding behind the Doddster's persona!
I pick up a lot of Pie Eater goss and have even heard it said Dave should have snapped up Moyes before he went to Spain. As if........
So why is he now such a divisive figure amongst Evertonians? My own view is this: Towards the end of his time with us he was working for David Moyes more than he was for Everton Football Club. He seemed to lose the ambition to push the club onwards and his whole demeanour suggested he was playing it safe, happy in the knowledge that the wider public perception of Everton meant finishing in the top eight would be seen as a roaring success.
Perhaps he had the tip-off from Fergie that he would be the man heÂ’d recommend to succeed him at Man Utd well before the deal was actually struck and he knew that, as long as he kept Everton competitive in the meantime, the job would almost surely be his? Or perhaps itÂ’s just his personality and philosophy to play it safe, which made him unsuitable to take Everton on to the next level when a bolder approach was required?
Whatever it was, I – like a lot of other Everton fans – grew resentful of the way he seemed happy to cultivate the image of Everton as the plucky underdog rather than embracing and promoting the fact that we are one of the most successful and historic clubs in English Football. The annoying underplaying of Everton’s standing in the game is bad enough when it comes from the media, so it’s hardly helpful when the club’s manager joins in!
But for me, the bridges were well and truly burnt by the way he handled himself just before and just after he left. All the denials in the world wonÂ’t convince me he didnÂ’t know about the Man Utd job well in advance. Nobody could blame him for being attracted to the job, but by running his contract down and then constantly changing his reasons for why he wasnÂ’t signing a new contract with us, he took us for mugs.
And then came the Baines and Fellaini saga. The moment I saw the quotes from him regarding Martinez finding out how Everton works and not standing in the way of players with a chance to go to Man Utd, he was done as far as I was concerned. I always had Moyes down as a decent and honourable man, and I think as fans we always respected him for that, so to hear him talking about Everton with such disrespect and hypocrisy given his stance on the Rooney and Lescott transfer deals was shocking.
After that, I certainly took a degree of pleasure from watching him fall so quickly from his lofty perch, whilst at Everton Roberto Martinez, a man who seems to have none of MoyesÂ’s inhibitions with regards to embracing our history, took the club on in a manner none of us could have anticipated.
Despite all the above, I do wish Moyes well in his new role and I do think he has the capabilities to be a success, albeit not at the level he seems still to aspire to. Having said that I sincerely hope we have seen the last of him as Everton manager. The club have moved on and we donÂ’t really seem to make much of a success of appointing our former managers for a second (and third!) time.
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1 Posted 11/11/2014 at 01:31:34
Communication should be an interesting challenge. There’s only one English-speaking player on the Erreala roster. And I’m pretty sure there isn’t a translator in all of Spain who is going to be able to handle Moyes’s accent.