At what point do you say ''Enough is enough''?

You get slammed for being a little off with your ratings but giving Coleman a 2 was probably fair, for that dreadful decision above all else, that seemed to typify the hopelessness of the game.

I was apoplectic when he failed to shoot on sight.

I actually wish we'd have lost without controversy so everyone (most importantly Martinez) could have a serious look at our performance. Even at the MOTM ceremony after the match (which is frankly absurd after a loss) where Stones was presented with a bottle of champagne the first thing mentioned was the reffing.

Eto'o is, undoubtedly a step above the rest of the squad. The ball he gave in to Naismith towards the end was exsquisite, and had it been another player feeding the same ball to Eto'o it would have been a goal 99 times out of 100. It has been mentioned at least a couple of times in the threads since this match ended, but he should be the stand in captain whilst Jags is out (and beyond IMO) as he is so used to not losing he isn't scared to get in the ref's face and he leads by example when he is given the opportunity.

Alternatively, I think Barry's form would improve if he were to carry the armband as he would be required to really stamp his authority on the match. However, he isn't exactly first choice for the CM at this point if Besic and McCarthy are fit.

With Robles likely to be in goal tmr I am dreading it. As much as Howard has made mistakes this season I have zero confidence in Robles.

While the manager applies his tactics onto the team and puts players into wrong positions they are simply just going to continue losing interest, so scoring them is a waste of time right now.

I've had enough of this manager now tbh and I truly think his games are numbered. I was at the game yesterday and that was some of the worst football I have ever witnessed in my life.

Besic and McCarthy every time for me if possible, though Barry on the left of a 3 at the back would be interesting, as others have said.

I've seen better performances from my Sunday league side than the shit those cunts churned out yesterday.

I want Roberto to succeed but it's not looking good. Get to 40 points this year and see what happens over the summer and the first dozen games of next season. If it's not going well then, then a change will almost certainly be inevitable.

Lee Mason hates us pure and simple . . . but it appears that most ref's find it easy giving us dodgy decisions - there's no leadership from Jags and no "crowding" of the ref. We are too nice and it would be great if we could avoid that type of behavior, but the refs are taking the piss - I don't care when the pundits say "it's a soft penalty" - they never say that it's always against Everton. Can you imagine the likes of Ratters, Peter Reid and Big Nev accepting these decisions meekly?

On another point it won't be long before someone like Manu go out and pay 㾶M plus for Shawcross because he is the type of player / captain who will get in your face - a lot of people don't like him but he's a natural leader on the pitch. Jags is not and he's too nice!

I don't get what Martinez is trying to do at the moment, what with Barkley on the wing as well... square pegs and round holes indeed!

I fear that Roberto has put all his eggs into one basket, the Europa League, in the hope that it will hide our deficiencies in the Premier League. It may come to the point at the end of the season were Bill Kenwright has to be ruthless and dispense with Roberto's services. I wouldn't do it in January as who would we get?

Also, Roberto may pull a few signings out of the bag. Another poster mentioned Shawcross which was a good shout and I'm sure he hasn't got long left on his contract, also Deulofeu is hinting at an Everton comeback. Just keep our fingers crossed eh?

The sad fact is that Everton are not playing anywhere near well enough to win games and that is not the referees – it is Martinez. Yes, he was refreshing in his approach last season and that may have been down partly to players responding to a new boss.

This season has been a relative disaster so far and I have to say that although many of us criticized Moyes for not having a Plan B, it appears Martinez doesn't even have a Plan A.

Remember earlier in the season when Palace looked so good? Well, it hasn't done Warnock any good... so what about Martinez now?

No one player has been great, nor have any of them been terrible – it's the system that's at fault, not the players.

Too slow, the opposition gets 9 or 10 men behind the ball in two banks of 4 and we come up against them – football is a very simple game made complicated by managers who are blinded by their own faith in the system they employ.

Change it some times, and things change. Simple.

If we are going to play with Barkley and another centre mid in the side we need to move to 3 at the back. I would be happy to see Barry in that back 3. I feel Everton have become a little like England with the midfield good players but who to play Lampard and Gerrard? How do you for Paul Scoles in? Everton with Eto', Ross and Steven, have the question. It's not bad to have two of them on the bench.

I know bobby watches the games time and time again. He would do well to ask himself a few questions:

What teams have beaten stoke, crystle place, etc this year?

How did they beat them?

How can we employee the same tatics this season?

Tomorrow Newcsatle, the one team to beat cheliski, I can see nothing but a draw at best. I don't think we are going down this year but the question in my mind is do we give Bobby 18 months to resolve the situation. My gut says sit tight and hope, think we will do ok, but then is that not what Wigan did. Seat of your pants time

OK its been a poor season and we are all pretty gutted, Im at a loss to explain what has happened but doesn't this supposed future manager of Barca deserve the chance to turn things round?!

Its a bad season, we are not a club who plays in the Champions League, I hate to say it but we have sadly become a club who is huge but occasionally has a season where we punch above our weight, that was last season and we had many under Moyes who was a great manager with limited resources.

Mind you if we are still 6 points above the relegation zone with 5 games to play, I will gladly take all of the above back?!!!

Due to illness I didn't go yesterday. But the worst game I've ever seen for sheer lack of spectacle (with the exception of obvious black days e.g. the Keeley derby, the 1-6 Arsenal, the Jelavic semi final,the 4-0 rs defeat last season) was around this time of the year in 1983.

We were at home to Coventry. There was hardly anyone there and it was freezing with an easterly blowing right into the Gwladys Street End. It finished 0-0 and I've always remembered it as the most turgid game of footy I've ever witnessed - and, like all of us, I've seen some shite. I had one of those snorkels and tried to zip the hood up completely about 10 mins into the second half.

I've avoided MoTD for obvious reasons but, if anyone saw that Coventry game and yesterday's game, surely it wasn't that bad?

The opposition have now worked out our system of play and we are clueless, under this management, to offer any different alternative. Roberto has one way to play and I fear for our survival at this level.

Brace yourself because things are going to get a lot worse now that we have absolutely no imagination up front – added to a back four comprised of geriatrics. You have been warned!

The reason why people are so angry is that we have a good squad, which was playing well last season. The same squad plus Eto'o have been appalling this season. The manager has forgotten everything he did last season. Moyes and Kenwright managed expectations brilliantly. The bile is all about hope followed by a long four-month setback.

I think the comparison with today's issue is as you mention - heightened expectations. On paper, this is the strongest team / squad we've had for some time. The slump from last season is alarming.

The comparison with HK's early shaky start before the breakthrough to success is interesting. However, I always put that down to Peter Reid's inclusion in the side as well as the signing of Andy Gray.

These are exactly the sort of characters we need now. Fiery, in-your-face, winners.

We played good football in those days (the 4-1 v Sunderland in 84/85) but could also mix it when needed. Either way, there was an end product. Again, the sort of approach that would not go amiss this season. (Shit, I sound about 90! In my day ......)

P.S. I also remember a Radio Merseyside phone-in circa 1983 when Peter Reid's brother / cousin phoned-in to question why HK was not selecting him for the team. So HK took flak as well.

It was after a derby game at Anfield when we lost 3-1.Howard Kendall had a hard time when he first took over, but he didn't do too bad after the poor start did he?

Dreadful game, but light years worse than yesterday.

Accepted refs aren't why we are doing so badly but they don't help. Mason is hopeless irrespective of whether it's us or not – sending off Agbonlahor for Villa the other week (rescinded) and I recall him absolutely robbing the RS at Man City last Boxing Day. He got so much wrong yesterday, it was embarrassing.

Channel 37 - Quest - Freeview - 'Nomad Chef'. It's a culinary programme set in Spain in this episode.

I've only been watching for 3 mins but 'phenomenal' and 'incredible' mentioned several times already. Obviously a Spanish thing as they're basically eating a fry-up.

ps: Eric – I've no idea who the new Reid / Gray is sadly.

Most of our defeats since then have come in similar fashion and Roberto's only answer is to moan that opponents will not allow us to play attractive football.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WofUfTl8d2E

I'm absolutely staggered, this is the kind of nonsense I would expect from Geordies, not Evertonians. Do we really crave a return to thumping long balls to a target man at this, the first sign of trouble? Shocking.

The worry is that we do not have the types of player who will be able to react well if we get caught up in the relegation mire and my own view is that the manager will be at serious risk of dismissal if we lose our next two games. I do not think we will and I believe he will get out of this mess and that we will recover. Indeed, I happen to think that we may yet have a very good season but I accept that I am saying that against the evidence at the moment.

But there comes a point when any PL board has to act, otherwise they are putting the future of the club at grave risk. I am one of those who thinks we would struggle to get back if, God forbid, we ever went down. That is what's at stake and that's why people on TW are rightly very concerned.

This lad can't play with his back to goal like Costa, Van Perse, Benteke or Fletcher. He's a charging buffalo who knocks defenders down like skittles when racing towards goal with the ball in front of him.

A unique goal scoring asset so why try to make him into something which is un-natural to him. Bringing in Big Dunc who played the opposite kind of game. The result is a young striker who hasn't got a clue what he is doing and is probably wishing he was somewhere else.

God knows what state we'd be in if he listened to every fan about team choice and tactics?

My ongoing pain is borne as a right of passage! I have had so many false dawns. Are we about to endure another but with added terror of a relegation battle? God Forbid!

Please can our manager have a Plan B? We have a 㿈 mill, 6ft-3in centre-forward together with a ٤ mill Championship player, who can"put himself about!!

Let's try it the West Ham way, play it long and quickly. and short and quickly – the emphasis on the QUICKLY! This is no longer an anathema to The School of Science – it is fast becoming a necessary plan.

I'd love him to surprise us but I think he will remain stubborn and stick to his tried and trusted players and tactics.